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[Anna Yolei]

7 minutes ago, nasir jones said:

When the Phoebe reveal blows up in Flo (and Wyatt's) face, I hope Sally does the moonwalk in front of him and his amnesiac mother.

You know the writing is bad when I'm saying Liam would be an upgrade from Wyatt. At least she won't have Stephanie Forrester 2.0 to deal with there. 

[CountryGirl]

So I dipped my toe (or I guess my eyes) into the cesspool that is this show yesterday, just to see the Liam/Thomas showdown.

But first we had this standoff with Thomas and Sally:

Thomas: "So, you moved out of Wyatt's." LIke he cares.

Sally: "Yeah." As she should have, taking her dignity and pride with her.

Thomas: "Did he kick you out?" Nice.

Sally: "No. Leaving just felt like the right thing to do, after everything that happened."

Thomas: "Sure, if you want to lose him." You would think that, stalker. Although honestly, Sally is better off and I'm disgusted by her being trampled in the process of propping Felony Flo. And it is honestly chapping my ass that she is being praised for being sane and rational with crazy, delusional Hope when FLO IS PART OF THE REASON HOPE IS "CRAZY" AND "DELUSIONAL." 

Sally: "I'm not giving up on us."

Thomas: "Good. I'm sorry I got you mixed up in the situation with Hope and me. I didn't want to affect your relationship with Wyatt. But, hey, I'm sure you'll work things out." He isn't sorry at all. 

Sally: "Yeah. I hope so." Honestly, Sally? He's not worth it. She was wrong to keep Thomas' whackado a secret from Wyatt (and more importantly, Liam and Hope) but she came clean within days. Wyatt is still lying about having cheated on her with Flo. And yes, with numerous kisses and meetings (some behind Sally's back), they have crossed that line IMO. Sally's Spidey senses and street smarts should have realized there's a reason he's just fine and dandy with her leaving. It's almost like he wanted her to have some secret so he could justify what he's been doing with Flo for weeks now. Boy, bye.

Thomas: "I doubt he's gonna let you go. That said, I'm not giving up. I still think it's best for Liam to be with my sister and those girls, and it's best for hope to be with Douglas and me, filling the awful emptiness." What emptiness? He wasn't even in love with Caroline (which is not to say he doesn't miss her in his own right as well as for Thomas), but come on now, son.

Sally fires back: "Her bed isn't empty. And Liam isn't gonna let that happen." Nope

Thomas: "Hope gets to live her own life." Wow, thanks for pointing out the obvious, jackhole.

Sally looks at him like she can't believe she was ever in love with him and it really is sad that they completely erased the history these two shared. That would have been a much better story to tell and for the first few days after his return, they were playing Thomas (at least i his expressions) as still having feelings for her. Not this woke up in love with Hope crap.

Sally: "That's exactly what she's doing. With the man she chose to spend it with." She fires one last parting shot. "And I imagine Liam's flying home as we speak."

Of course, the reality is lost on him.

Later, I have to say that it was very satisfying seeing Liam put that psychopath in his place.

It was clear he had Thomass' number from the second he landed.

Like his remark to Wyatt: "I want to know what I'm walking into first. I mean, just how far has Thomas gotten in his campaign to brainwash my wife into leaving me?"

I also loved how he stood up for Sally when Wyatt was whining about how he thought she was cheating on him with Thomas. Oh, the irony.

Wyatt shares the retconned history that Thomas told Sally he never stopped loving Hope. 

Liam: "What? What -- what does that make Sally and Caroline, intermissions?" Damn. Liam can be salty. I love it.

Wyatt: "Dude, this -- this is apparently how he tells it."

Liam: "Okay. I mean, it kind of sounds like he's just excusing the way he treated both women. I'll be damned if he's gonna make Hope number three." 

He calls FC and finds out Hope is there, in the CEO office, and Thomas is with her. He tells her NOT to share that he'll be on his way over. He wants it to be a "surprise." Hee.

Liam: "You know Thomas has done this before, right?"

Wyatt: "What?"

Liam: "Yeah, like, a long -- a way long time ago, before you and I ever even knew each other existed. He actually proposed to her."

Wyatt: "What?"

Liam: "Dude, the guy was a hot mess back then." Back then??? Then again, he'd probably say the same thing about me, but whatever." Hmm...some self-awareness from Liam. Refreshing.

Wyatt: "Wait, so what did Steffy say when you told her that he was doing this?"

Liam: "I didn't. You know Steffy. I mean, she always wants to believe that Thomas just misunderstood, right up until the exact moment she catches him in the act. You know?" Well, especially when it's a means to an end to whatever she's after.  

He asks after Sally and Wyatt reveals they broke up and, of course, tries to put all the blame on Sally, which, no motherfucker.

He can't take Liam's "something is seriously off and not just Thomas" look and tries to change the subject. Don't worry, Flo will be along to assure you that you did the right thing. Those two deserve each other and I cannot wait until he finds out the gal who was not worth ending things with Sally for has committed human trafficking. Of her cousin and his niece. Have fun with that!

Wyatt: "Wait, so you -- so you said, um -- you said Thomas does this? Like, this is his thing? Like, he's just -- he's making a tornado and turns everything into rubble?" Um, pretty much. That and questionable, if not out and out rapey, bedroom activity.

Liam: "When I told him that I was going to Paris and I asked him to keep Hope company, do you want to know what he said, exact words?

Wyatt: "What?"

Liam: "Don't worry, Hope's in good hands. Good hands. Yeah. Little on the nose, in retrospect. See, this is the thing. You know, I was willing to let bygones be bygones. I -- I know that he's struggling with the loss of Caroline. I know he's trying to stay strong for his son. But if the guy thinks that he's gonna bulldoze my marriage under the guise of giving his kid a mom... it's not gonna happen." Liam is fired up!

And with that, he's off to find Thomas.

We cut over to FC where a clearly uncomfortable Hope is doing her best to dodge Thomas, who is a Dateline cameraman away from being in his own "To Catch a Predator" episode.

Only it's not the cameraman who enters the room, it's Liam. 

Liam: "You know, I love Paris, but I love you more." I have never been happier to see Waffles and I'm not the only one.

Hope: "Liam!" Her face...it's like the sun coming out and it's a thing of beauty as she flies into her husband's arms.

Thomas has to just stand there and watch them. He might as well be as invisible as they start to catch up. Any sane person would excuse themselves so these two could have some time alone.

Notice, I said sane.

He, of course, cannot stand being ignored, and has to interject about the babies. Dick.

Thomas: "It must have been so good to finally be reunited." Eyeroll.

Liam: "It was. It was, um... it was really nice to hold them again. Until I realized I missed holding my own wife so much that I had to come home." LOVE IT!

Hope, who is just beaming as she continues to hold onto her husband: "I'm surprised you came home so soon. Did something happen?" What she doesn't say (but doesn't have to) is: "THANK GOD THANK GOD THANK GOD YOU'RE HERE!"

Thomas decides to go on the offensive: "Let me guess -- you got a call from your brother telling you that I still had feelings for your wife." 

Oh, he wants to play it like that, huh? Get him, Liam!

Hope: "Uh...Wyatt? How did he-" 

Thomas: "I, uh -- I confided in Sally about how I felt, about how I'd never really given up on my dream of a future with you, and... well, Sally must have thought it was her duty to tell Wyatt, and Wyatt thought it was his to tell Liam, and Liam thought it was his to hurry home. Am I right, or close?" Yes, it was their duty, thank you very much. As human beings. 

Liam: "You know -- you know, I was older than Douglas when I lost my mother. But I still know how brutal it is to become a motherless child all of a sudden, and so I understand the instinct to want to protect Douglas from all of that. Hell, there's hardly anything I wouldn't do for Kelly. Or Phoebe, for that matter." Liam is trying, on some level, to relate to Thomas and I admire him for trying. Then, he lowers the boom: "But, Thomas... that's where my understanding stops. How dare you try to break up another family in order to mend your own? You know we're grieving, too. We lost something, too. And for you to think that you can take advantage of Hope's vulnerability and her maternal instinct just for your own benefit is unreal."

PREEEACCCHHH!

Hope, always the peacemaker: "Liam."

Liam cuts her off: "No, you don't have to -- you don't have to defend him. I know where he's coming from."

Thomas: "You and Hope, you're a couple, but you're not a family."

He seriously fucking said that.

How insulting to couples who, like me and MH are childless not by choice, or those who are childless by choice to say they are not a family.

We became a family the day we said "I do" so again, a big fuck you to Thomas and the writers for that. 

Someone needs to take him out like the trash he is.

Liam is disgusted. As he should be. "That -- oh, okay. That's not for you to judge."

Thomas: "You have a family, over in Paris and in pieces. And I didn't break it up, you did."

Just when I think he can't say anything more assinine than he already has, he ups the ante again. 

It was his sister, Hauxdilox, that fucked her father-in-law's dick.

And lied about it.

And lied about it.

And lied about it some more and would have kept on lying if Liam hadn't found the paternity test results she so blithely left lying around.

That is all on HER.

Liam, knowing it would be pointless to counter with that to this beady-eyed motherfucker, calls him out on his actions: "Let me tell you something. I love those little girls. I love them, and I'm gonna be in their life for a very, very long time. This is my wife. She is my wife. So all the manipulating, all the guilt-tripping, it stops now, Thomas. Do you understand me? Now."

And nary a hint of butter or syrup in the air. 

So Thomas, enjoy sleeping with one eye open

Because this Liam?

Don't Play.

Edited May 10, 2019 by CountryGirl

[Gam2]

As much as I love this Liam, yesterday and today, why is Hope just standing there with her mouth open? Support your husband! Tell Thomas to get bent! You look like an imbecile who doesn’t know who they’re talking about. Stand up and be a grown woman!

[madfortv]

Saw this show today for first time in a long time. What a mess. The writing is AWFUL and OFFENSIVE. I won't be back. Yuck. Hope is not a woman. She is a door mat.

[nasir jones]

13 minutes ago, Gam2 said:

As much as I love this Liam, yesterday and today, why is Hope just standing there with her mouth open? Support your husband! Tell Thomas to get bent! You look like an imbecile who doesn’t know who they’re talking about. Stand up and be a grown woman!

We actually just got some video of Hope the entire episode...

[Gam2]

Okay, I may have to stop watching this show. Hope is making me crazy with this indecision between her husband and that lying bastard, Thomas. How could she even consider being with him? 

[DeafAngelboy23]

If only Thomas gets the same treatment... 

[Anna Yolei]

I'm currently watching today's episode as I type this, and I've never been so proud of Liam, ever. When he asked how the hell Thomas inserted himself into their relationship, I cheered. 

#WaffleNoMore 

Thomas OTOH continues to be his father's odious son with his mother's sense of righteousness. Not even Ridge was ever so brazen to propose to a married woman. And Thomas can quit pretending like he gives a shit about wanting his nieces to have a father. 

I'm irritated as shit that Hope barely said anything at all during this. 

Wyatt and Flo: 🙄 I can't wait till he finds out the truth. He sure moved on from Sally with a quickness. 

[Joimiaroxeu]

"You're delusional!" Wow, I feel like Liam was speaking for the audience today.

What's the deal with Flo's eyebrows?

So all these adults are supposed to shuffle their lives because Douglas makes drawings of his fixation with Hope? It makes no sense! Thomas is INSANE.

I think Liam should march right over to $Bill's office and tell him what Thomas is up to. Bill knows how to handle a problem like Tom.

[Waldo13]

Thomas not only can’t act but he must not have the ability to comprehend what Liam is laying down. Thomas is pissing me off to no end because I know personally men who are just like him.  Thomas is greasier and more entitled than his father.  Hope or should I say Raggedy Ann just stands there like a deer in the headlights with her thumb up her ass.  Finally when Raggedy speaks up is more to defend Thomas than Liam. Hope, you fucking idiot.  Get this through your thick head, YOU DON’T NEED THOMAS TO HAVE DOUGLAS IN YOUR LIFE.  

I’m sick and tired of Raggedy and now I can’t give two shits about her. Go to Thomas for all I care. You deserve his pompous ass.  It seems that TIIC have an infinity for people to be in relationships when they love someone else.  Liam is Hope’s first love but she seems to be willing to give that up for the “greater good”.  Caroline loved Ridge but gave the marriage up to be with Douglas’ father.  Did Thomas and Caroline ever get married?  Flo is Wyatt’s first love and versa versa, so I’m willing to give them a break for now.  The big difference is that Wyatt and Sally are not married.  

[Gam2]

Right now, I cannot stand Thomas, Hope, Wyatt, FLO (X10), Shauna (x10), Zoe (x20), Reese (x1000), and Quinn. Apparently, Thomas is deaf. Or so entitled that he can’t hear when other people speak. Run him down with your Prius, Liam. No one would blame you. Then you and Hope can raise his motherless child who’s so desperate to have Hope as his mom and she’s so desperate to have a child. Which she could have with you but whatever. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Oh, and shut up, Hope.

[Zoe116]

8 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

Although honestly, Sally is better off and I'm disgusted by her being trampled in the process of propping Felony Flo. 

I don't think she is being trampled to prop Flo (who is clearly heading for a big fall given both Fullers' repeated and exaggerated insistence on Wyatt's never-before-mentioned need for absolute and complete honesty) but I do think she is being trampled on for plot points. Everyone else has a point of view; some of those points of view are crazy, but they exist. Liam loves Kelly and Phoebe, but he also loves Hope and wants to be with her; Hope loves Liam, but she feels guilty about the kids; Thomas will do anything to possess Hope; Wyatt doesn't care how this all shakes out as long as Liam is happy; Flo feels guilty for what she did (but not enough to tell the truth) and wants to mitigate any further pain in Hope's life; Brooke is team Lope forever; Ridge doesn't want to get involved, but he hopes no one gets hurt and would secretly like Steffy to be happy; Zoe wants to cause Hope as much pain as possible. But Sally? There's no consistency to her. One day she's insisting to Wyatt that Thomas has a point and she kinda agrees with him, plus Liam totally loves Steffy too, and the next day she's all "Thomas, Liam is back and he's never gonna let you have Hope." She doesn't seem to have her own thought process, but instead is just there to counterpoint whatever her scene partner says because that's what the writers need her to do. Which makes it hard to hate her, but also makes it hard to root for her, too. 

I don't know where this "Tom" business came from, but I like it. Liam was just fantastic today, although you can tell he's Bill's pacifist son because if someone had spoken to me with such self righteous condescension about how they're morally right and completely entitled to break up my marriage, and dictated to me what my feelings were toward my spouse and my ex despite me never having a single serious conversation with them, that person would be on the floor. Strike that, Thomas wouldn't have even finished his elevator pitch and I'd get my dad to drop a building on him.

i wonder if AN got her script and paged through it like, "so where are Hope's lines?" 

I did love how SC kept planting himself between Thomas and Hope anytime he wanted to have actual conversation with her though. But, correct me if I'm wrong because I blacked out with rage, but did Thomas start one of his speeches with "I won't speak for Hope because she's her own person" and two sentences later say, "Hope wants this too"?

Edited May 10, 2019 by Zoe116

[CharlizeCat]

Yeah. I also didn't understand Hope standing there mutely gaping like a wide-mouth bass. 

Bottom line: Liam has shown infinite more patience than I would. When (not if) Hope finally successfully pushes Liam back to Steffy (whether Steffy takes him back is another story), she has no one to blame but herself. Also, if Liam is back with Steffy and Phoebeth's identity is finally revealed, what judge is going to award custody to unstable Hope? The woman who pushed her own husband away. If I were a judge, I'd see that Phoebeth is with a mother who has raised her since infancy and also now has a father who can be more physically present (not saying under the same roof) and is more psychologically and emotionally well-adjusted.  Seems like a no-brainer to me.

Not saying that's the way that I wish this will all play out, but that seems to be the logical conclusion, given the direction this story line is headed. God help poor little Douglas to have crazy and crazier (which Hope will be if she ends up with that psycho Thomas) as parents. 

I do have a feeling that Hope's hesitation at the end of the show today was just so she could collect her thoughts and emotions and reassure Liam that she had no intention of leaving him for "Tom." And, Hope still needs very intensive therapy and probably temporary medication for the PPD.

I do not care at all about Wyatt and Flo and could the writers drop any more anvils about how Wyatt is going to lose it when he finds out that Flo has not been "honest and transparent?" Was he being "honest and transparent" when he and Katie were sneaking around behind $Bill's back after Bill "freakin' forbade" Batie to continue? Or, when Wyatt was pursuing Hope at the very beginning, knowing full well that she was in a relationship with Liam? I thought so.

[Ohwell]

I'm sick of dopey mopey Hope and couldn't believe she just stood there and let Thomas spew his crap.  And Liam is trying too hard to be reasonable and is too nice.  His daddy would have ripped Thomas a new ass hole.  

[Gam2]

I’m 70 years old (but feel like I’m 35) so I remember the soaps of the old days. Those were the days when we womens needed our mens to take care of us and rescue us (or so everyone seemed to think). I do love a nice gentleman to open my door, pull out my chair and drive me home. I’ll admit that. However! I am sick and tired of Hope Logan being such a namby, pamby, whiny, can’t cope with anything outside the millionaire life I was raised in by the mom. She just makes me sick now and I hope she’ll leave with Tom to go to Paris and disappear forever. I did at one time like this character. No longer and never again. 

[ByaNose]

Hope looked like a dope during Liam & Thomas (or Tom.....which is random after all these years) with her mouth all agape. I’m so glad Hope has a mind of her own. So dumb.

[Anna Yolei]

4 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Bill knows how to handle a problem like Tom.

The same way he handled Amber: over the cliff in Liam's backyard at night, with no witnesses. 

Quinn can help. 🙂

3 hours ago, Zoe116 said:

Liam was just fantastic today, although you can tell he's Bill's pacifist son because if someone had spoken to me with such self righteous condescension about how they're morally right and completely entitled to break up my marriage, and dictated to me what my feelings were toward my spouse and my ex despite me never having a single serious conversation with them, that person would be on the floor. Strike that, Thomas wouldn't have even finished his elevator pitch and I'd get my dad to drop a building on him.

When Liam found out the exponentially less deceptive lie Rick told Hope way back when, he gave him a square hit right on the jaw. Thomas deserved a punch for sure. Preferably a bit further south in the hopes that he won't be able to produce more children to manipulate his next victim with. 

ETA:

*sips tea*

Edited May 11, 2019 by Anna Yolei

[La di Diva]

Wyatt, oh Wyatt honey. You are this close to being dead to me.  Sally has been gone less than 24 hours and you're about to jump Flo because you think you should explore your feelings?  Because Flo is so honest and will never lie to you?  I don't want to see this happen but you are going to be crushed flat when you find learn Flo's Phoebeth Secret.

My hunch is Flo is going to tell Wyatt the truth and beg him to forgive her and keep her secret.  And Wyatt, besotted as he is trying to recapture his lost high school love, will probably hesitate a while before he spills all, if he does.

I want someone to punch "Tom" (TM Liam) in his very punchable beady-eyed face. Maybe even punch him more than once.  Tom will probably whine to Cray Tay about getting Liam away from Hope and back with Steffy and the girls, so Tom can slither in and marry Hope.

I fully expect Cray Tay to enlist Sludge's help to break up Lope. Sludge may also prey on her grief and tell her to stop thinking of herself but consider Douglas and "the girls".  I mean, if you're Sludge who cares about Hope's happiness when you can guilt trip her into giving up her marriage and the man she has only and always loved so that your entitled brats can have what they want.

It would be very soapy goodness if Flo spilled the whole Phoebeth story at the Tope wedding right at the "does anyone know..." part.  Zoe could try to stop Flo from talking screeching that she promised to protect Dr Shady Brady. Wyatt could look gobsmacked and then angry. Tom could argue that it doesn't make any difference because Douglas still needs a mother. Sludge could back up that argument. Brooke could squinty eye Sludge.  Liam could look over the moon that Phoebe is really his daughter. Quinn could be embarrassed. Steffy could realize her daughter is a victim of human trafficking,  etc, etc, etc. 

The wedding of course will be at Brooke's house and everyone will be there, even those who have no reason to be. The wedding day drama could play out over weeks of screen time.  End result = Liam and Hope remarry, because it's already a wedding, while Hope is holding Beth.  

There could then be the "Tom the crazy stalker" SL  where he kidnaps Hope because he still needs a mother for Douglas.  Sally could help in the Hope rescue promising Tom she'll be Douglas' mother. The whole thing very dramatic on the FC roof. Tom holding Hope at knife point, Sally telling him it's ok she'll go with him and Douglas and they'll be a family. Wyatt and Liam grabbing Tom while Sally pulls Hope and Douglas out of the way.

Lots of fall for couples and others as Lope reunite with their daughter. Wyatt kicks Flo to the curb. Quinn give Shauna what for when she finds out she knew the Phoebeth secret. Possible end of Bridge as Brooke reams Sludge a new one for tormenting Hope with guilt. Quinn has to apologize to Sally. Zoe is fired from FC, Charlie escorts her from the building. Flo is fired from FC and has to grovel to Hope and her aunts and work to regain their trust and a place as a Logan.  Wyatt and Sally find their way back to each other, maybe, after months and months of work.

[Annmarie1111]

9 hours ago, madfortv said:

Saw this show today for first time in a long time. What a mess. The writing is AWFUL and OFFENSIVE. I won't be back. Yuck. Hope is not a woman. She is a door mat.

Agree, I used to love to watch B/B and now it ranks down there with General Hospital's writing!

[Petunia13]

Why do I have the sick fear Thomas obsession with Hope will lead to him trying to take advantage of her and Flo will save her, which will usher Flo’s forgiveness arch when the truth comes out? 

[mightysparrow]

I haven't been watching for a while so I'm grateful to all the people who bite and bullet and watch for me.  As for @Country girl, I don't have any words to describe how AMAZING (well that's one) your recap was!  Why you're not on a plane bound for LA to write for this travesty of a show is beyond me.

There's talk that JMW is demanding that Hauxdilox move on from Liam but it seems that SC has done some demanding too.  His confrontation with Thomas sounds like a thing of beauty.  Scott Clifton is the reason why I've never completely given up on Liam.  He's always kept Liam's core of decency and even when he was in the depths of Hauxdiloxland, I always knew that the decent, vegan, computer-nerd was buried somewhere inside.  People talk about supercouples and I think Liam and Hope are one.  They started out really young and made a lot of mistakes.  They were both distracted by shinier, flashier objects but their love never died.  I'm happy that Liam is going to fight for his marriage and won't allow his wife to be preyed on by a sociopath.

I understand that a lot of people want Hope to move on.  But as someone who has suffered from depression for most of her life, it just doesn't work that way.  I've lost friends because they were tired of me being such a drag and wanted the funny, interesting person they knew to return.  I did too but I was in a deep, dark hole and i didn't know how to get out. 

I've never had a child so I can't imagine what it must be like to lose one but I can't imagine that it's something that you get over easily.  Viewers might want to see Hope kicking ass and taking names but she's mentally ill right now.  She has a sociopath using her grief and depression to manipulate her.  And NOBODY in her life is insisting that she get the medical care she DESPERATELY needs.  It might not be good tv, but I'm kind of glad that Hope is STILL a drag.  Just standing there, unable to say anything is what a depressed woman would do and I think that AN is making the right decision with her performance.

It would be nice if, after kicking Thomas' ass, Liam took a good look at his wife and made an appointment with a qualified mental health professional (which means NOT TAYLOR).  Let her work out her grief so she and Liam can face their future together.  And THEN let Wyatt find out, tell his brother AND his father and Liam can collect his daughter and bring her home and $Bill can drop a building on EVERYONE involved in the human trafficking of Phobeth.

[godfreydaniels]

That Thomas is bland. Too high forehead, little beady eyes and zero personality and then there’s eyebrows Flo. Storyline pretty much dull at this time.

[CharlizeCat]

@mightysparrow, thank you for your very personal and thought-provoking post and it took you a lot of courage to state your truth.  You are absolutely right about how immobilizing depression (and its equally nasty cousin, anxiety, can be).  In that regard, I think AN is doing a fantastic job in portraying Hope's anguish.

I also hope to no end that JMW puts her foot down and Eggo Sr. no longer has to face being returned to the toaster for some cha-cha-cha! 

[Wollstonecraft]

I'm hating this soap more and more. I'm to the point where I'm just going to say crap I've felt and let her rip since I might be saying adios to this clusterf*ck of a show.

1. Hope is a dunce.  Find it hard to believe that the daughter of the town's senior loudmouth whore can't find her voice.  Write a storyline where she gets some good therapy and starts being well.  This depression angle is getting old.  I've had it and let's be real, after awhile people just get weary of seeing/hearing the struggle all.the.time.  Ding, ding - times up on that.

2. Liam is a little shit. Why women want to mate with this wormy guy is beyond me. Oh well.

3.  Wyatt, please, get this man a hairstyle where he doesn't look like his finger is in an electrical socket.

4. Get the picture of Bill off his desk or wherever the hell it is.  Why not just have him sit in his chair staring at himself in a hand-held mirror?  Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Bring back Pam and her lethal lemon bars scheme as the current storyline is beyond stale, dull and done to death. I rather watch her lose her nut again and go after someone, anyone. 

[ByTor]

39 minutes ago, Wollstonecraft said:

Liam is a little shit. Why women want to mate with this wormy guy is beyond me.

So much this!  And I know SC is a fan favorite, but I think he's awful.

[Ohwell]

1 hour ago, ByTor said:

So much this!  And I know SC is a fan favorite, but I think he's awful.

Also, I hate his scruff, although I think that's there because he has a weak jawline.

[Anna Yolei]

4 hours ago, mightysparrow said:

I understand that a lot of people want Hope to move on.  But as someone who has suffered from depression for most of her life, it just doesn't work that way.  I've lost friends because they were tired of me being such a drag and wanted the funny, interesting person they knew to return.  I did too but I was in a deep, dark hole and i didn't know how to get out. 

I've never had a child so I can't imagine what it must be like to lose one but I can't imagine that it's something that you get over easily.  Viewers might want to see Hope kicking ass and taking names but she's mentally ill right now.  She has a sociopath using her grief and depression to manipulate her.  And NOBODY in her life is insisting that she get the medical care she DESPERATELY needs.  It might not be good tv, but I'm kind of glad that Hope is STILL a drag.  Just standing there, unable to say anything is what a depressed woman would do and I think that AN is making the right decision with her performance.

As someone who's struggled with depression and anxiety, I fully agree with all of this. The insanely poor writing and repetitive dialogue really does not do this illness justice, but I have no issue with the fact that Hope has not just gotten over it in the blink of an eye. 

And just because Hope "pushes" Liam away is no reason for him to go back to Steffy the skag that fucked his FIL (and is responsible for much of the turmoil in his life over the last decade). He could still be involved with the kids without marrying her. 

4 hours ago, mightysparrow said:

People talk about supercouples and I think Liam and Hope are one.  They started out really young and made a lot of mistakes.  They were both distracted by shinier, flashier objects but their love never died. 

I see where you're getting at, but for me, the thing about a super couple that they lacked until just this year was the time together for anyone to be invested. They'd break up with one another and get back together in three month cycles that made it hard for anyone to get invested or care, especially when 90 percent of the the case being made came from someone other than Hope and Liam stands there for two full episodes with fewer lines than Hope had this week. 

 I'm glad the show is committing to this pairing and that I finally got to see them work off one another, still. It's what they are deserve. 

[Zoe116]

1 hour ago, Anna Yolei said:

And just because Hope "pushes" Liam away is no reason for him to go back to Steffy the skag that fucked his FIL (and is responsible for much of the turmoil in his life over the last decade). He could still be involved with the kids without marrying her. 

I actually would love for Liam to make that clear. Everyone is treating it as a foregone conclusion that if Hope leaves him to make a family for Douglas with Thomas, that he'll automatically go back to Steffy. Given his history, I understand that, but I'd love for him to lay it out for her: He wants to be married to her. She can make the choice to leave him, and he can't stop that but he does have autonomy, and even if they divorce, he will not return to Steffy. He'll continue to coparent with her, but he wont repeat mistakes of the past and marry someone when he's in love with someone else. And that, frankly, he has too much respect for Steffy to do that to her (especially given how important it's become to Steffy not to be like Taylor ever since she had Kelly) and if all of these other people truly loved and respected Steffy, they wouldn't want that for her either. So Hope can break up their family, but she should be real clear eyed that she won't be doing it to give Kelly and Phoebe a nuclear family because that's not happening. 

[mightysparrow]

5 hours ago, CharlizeCat said:

@mightysparrow, thank you for your very personal and thought-provoking post and it took you a lot of courage to state your truth.  You are absolutely right about how immobilizing depression (and its equally nasty cousin, anxiety, can be).  In that regard, I think AN is doing a fantastic job in portraying Hope's anguish.

I also hope to no end that JMW puts her foot down and Eggo Sr. no longer has to face being returned to the toaster for some cha-cha-cha! 

That's very kind of you.  Mental illness is so easily dismissed and ignored until something terrible happens and then everyone says, 'why didn't somebody notice?'  The signs are usually right there.

It's a soap opera and so it's going to silly.  And its B&B, so it's going to be criminally insane.  But I think the show has a duty to it's viewers to at least try and deal with issues like mental illness with at least a pinch of responsibility. 

I agree that AN is doing a great job.  I was very skeptical when she first joined the cast, partly because I missed KM.  But AN has made the part her own and developed a fantastic chemistry with SC.  I agree with @Anna Yolei that we've never really had a chance to see Liam and Hope together until now.  I guess I was a fan of the POTENTIAL of the couple.  Now that they are together, it would be fifty shades of wrong to break them up, especially to put Liam with a woman who fucked his father and lied to his face and to put Hope with a sociopath. 

Hauxdilox was allowed to have her I AM WOMAN moment when she turned $Bill down.  Are we really going to go back to the Dark Ages and have a man prey on a mentally ill woman and get away with it?  Isn't it enough that half of Los Angeles has conspired to keep Hope's child away from her?

[jenrising]

6 hours ago, mightysparrow said:

I've never had a child so I can't imagine what it must be like to lose one but I can't imagine that it's something that you get over easily.  Viewers might want to see Hope kicking ass and taking names but she's mentally ill right now.  She has a sociopath using her grief and depression to manipulate her.  And NOBODY in her life is insisting that she get the medical care she DESPERATELY needs.  It might not be good tv, but I'm kind of glad that Hope is STILL a drag.  Just standing there, unable to say anything is what a depressed woman would do and I think that AN is making the right decision with her performance.

It would be nice if, after kicking Thomas' ass, Liam took a good look at his wife and made an appointment with a qualified mental health professional (which means NOT TAYLOR).  Let her work out her grief so she and Liam can face their future together.  And THEN let Wyatt find out, tell his brother AND his father and Liam can collect his daughter and bring her home and $Bill can drop a building on EVERYONE involved in the human trafficking of Phobeth.

I totally agree. It's not fun television but the acting is spot-on. I see AN playing Hope in crisis. She's manic at times and dead-eyed at others. She goes through a range of emotions in that confrontation between Liam and Terrible Tom, but still terrified and broken through it all. And she's trying to grasp for things - ANYTHING - that might pull her out of the pit she's in, but nothing works because what she really needs is time and mental healthcare. Well, and to have her goddamn daughter returned. 

[TigerLynx]

I doubt Bell or the writers have really given the SL much thought beyond let's make Hope think her child is dead.  They like to try and write these OMG shock moments, but they don't like to deal with the consequences or fall out.

When the truth comes out, and it should have already happened, this should be when Hope gets to put the epic smackdown on all of the despicable people who didn't tell her the truth, from the people who stole her baby in the first place to the people who found out and didn't tell Hope immediately.  Instead there will be get out of jail free cards for everyone.  Maybe one person will get held accountable, but I doubt it.

[Gam2]

2 hours ago, TigerLynx said:

I doubt Bell or the writers have really given the SL much thought beyond let's make Hope think her child is dead.  They like to try and write these OMG shock moments, but they don't like to deal with the consequences or fall out.

When the truth comes out, and it should have already happened, this should be when Hope gets to put the epic smackdown on all of the despicable people who didn't tell her the truth, from the people who stole her baby in the first place to the people who found out and didn't tell Hope immediately.  Instead there will be get out of jail free cards for everyone.  Maybe one person will get held accountable, but I doubt it.

Not just Hope. Liam too. His loss is as great as hers and he spent a lot more time consoling her than she did consoling him, IMO.

[ByTor]

7 hours ago, TigerLynx said:

I doubt Bell or the writers have really given the SL much thought beyond let's make Hope think her child is dead.  They like to try and write these OMG shock moments, but they don't like to deal with the consequences or fall out.

All the likes for your post, @TigerLynx, but this specifically REALLY hits the nail on the head.

[Auntie]

OMG, when is this story line going to move along? And why in the HE** is Denise Richards or whatever her name is, on this show? She is an even worse "actor" than Wayne Brady....

I wish I would have gone to school to become a doctor so I could give botox injections - I could have been kept busy 24/7, and then some, working on the B&B - maybe it's written in their contracts that they all have to have injections that make them look so stupid. Half of the women on this show can't even move their lips when they try to talk. If they get too close to a flame, they'll probably melt away.

[Ohwell]

I will laugh my ass of if horny ol' goat Eric winds up banging Shauna now that she's moving in the house.  Serves Quinn right. 

[nkotb]

@Ohwell, that's exactly what I predict will happen. I'd say by the end of summer, if Flo & Shauna actually move in, Shauna & Eric will be sneaking around to be together. 

I'm not hating Liam lately; he actually seems to be committed to Hope. I've always thought Hope was the one for Liam, but he did have a sort of pull to Steffy. It was severed beyond repair when Steffy jumped on the $tallion, though, & he's completely in for Hope, finally. I also love him calling Thomas "Tom". It's like Victor calling Billy "Billy Boy", or Bill calling Ridge "the dressmaker". It's just a blatant sign of disrespect, & I say props to Liam for that. I personally think he should refer to him as "my cousin's rapist", but "Tom" is acceptable since we can't have that.

OMG, Quinn, could you BE any more of a hypocrite? Yes, Sally lied, & yes, she lied about Liam, which bothered Wyatt. You know what else bothered Wyatt? When his mother kidnapped his brother, while he had amnesia, & spent months raping him & keeping him hidden. I'm thinking Sally isn't the worst woman in Wyatt's life, & a good reminder of that wouldn't be the worst thing.

Finally, the most interesting part of this Wyatt/Quinn/Flo/Shauna quadrangle, is why did Wyatt & Quinn have to up-&-leave in the middle of the night, with no warning, & never contact Flo & Shauna again? That's the story we should explore, not Wyatt reconnecting with his first love, which we all know isn't going to end well once her role in PhoeBeth's kidnapping is revealed.

[Waldo13]

Raggedy Ann has chosen and she chooses to butter her waffle instead of playing house with Thomas and Douglas. Good start to the week, but the week is still young and Raggedy’s mind is still in a constant state of flux.

Flo and Shanna are mov’in on up and going to the mansion in the hills. That’s Beverly Hills.  KB would have made a mighty fine Elly May. For that matter, KB would have been a mighty fine Daisy Duke.  Yes, I know that I’m mixing my tv shows. 

[Anna Yolei]

3 hours ago, nkotb said:

Finally, the most interesting part of this Wyatt/Quinn/Flo/Shauna quadrangle, is why did Wyatt & Quinn have to up-&-leave in the middle of the night, with no warning, & never contact Flo & Shauna again? That's the story we should explore, not Wyatt reconnecting with his first love, which we all know isn't going to end well once her role in PhoeBeth's kidnapping is revealed.

I'm still waiting for Show to confirm whether she offed that Sotomayor guy years ago for that Hope diamond. 😂

[Gam2]

Oh, good grief. Eric Forrester of THE Forresters agreed to have Shauna and Flo from the LV trailer park Shauna and Flo move into the mansion on the estate. Well, this can only turn out well, right? At least, Hope stood up for her husband. Of course, Tom isn’t giving up so I predict that he’ll kidnap her, take her to a cabin to play mommy to Douglas and wifey to him. That guy is just nasty and sick. I hate this whole story line. Please make it stop!!

[Joimiaroxeu]

I really don't like this suburban biker chick outfit Quinn's been wearing for several episodes now. IMO she doesn't look as hot in it as she seems to think she does. That might be a look better suited for a younger woman.

When Wyatt and Flo started kissing on Friday it was still bright outside. Today it was dusk. How long had they been standing there making out, lol? They must have cores of steel.

Of course Flo and Shauna are moving into Eric's house. It was either that or Brooke's place. All these shameless freeloaders. 😐

"Mommy Hope"? AFAIC, Thomas is EVIL to be manipulating his defenseless child like that.

Edited May 13, 2019 by Joimiaroxeu

[Ohwell]

2 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

I really don't like this suburban biker chick outfit Quinn's been wearing for several episodes now. IMO she doesn't look as hot in it as she seems to think she does. That might be a look better suited for a younger woman.

I agree.  She's trying too hard and it's unnecessary because she's a good-looking woman who doesn't need to look like a ride or die chick with Hell's Angels.

[ByTor]

14 hours ago, nkotb said:

I also love him calling Thomas "Tom".

It always sounded so out of place when Stephanie used to call him that.

[CountryGirl]

@mightysparrow, thank you for sharing and speaking your truth. There is still such a stigma about mental illness and depression and it's not just something you can turn off like a faucet. 

This show gets so many, many things wrong here but Hope's affect is something they have gotten right and while I hate the baby swap storyline, at least this rings true to real life. 

[TigerLynx]

The writers seem to be going for Thomas being a creepy stalker (which he is), but I wonder if they realize the irony that other characters have done the same thing Thomas is, however, with them they were in love, soulmates, destiny, whatever lame excuse they wanted to spout at the time.

[Gam2]

Shauna and Flo moving into the Forrester mansion is the ultimate of stupidity. Of all of the actresses available in LA, they picked Denise Richards?! She’s just awful. To switch topics, does anyone else think Hope looks cross eyed sometimes? I find her eyes very distracting and it takes me out of her scenes. At least, that’s kind of interesting unlike the same dialogues over and over and over and over.

[Joimiaroxeu]

Lol, what was that goofy dance Will did for Bill?

Oh please. If Bill spent the rest of his life with every woman he married he'd have developed a taste for Fancy Feast. Because he'd have already had at least three lives.

So is Shauna going to get a job at FC too or is she just going to lounge around the Forrester estate eating peeled grapes, watching soap operas, and wearing Quinn's clothes?

Katie, you are so silly. How do you expect Bill to be faithful to you when you are not committed to him? Imagine if he pulled such a ridiculous test on you.

[Anna Yolei]

Seriously, as much shit as I give Brooke for never maturing past 25, it seems to be more maturity than Katie is capable of. Is she never going to move past being the acne-riddle teenager who got stood up for prom?

[Petunia13]

I’ve had about enough of the Will is a middle aged accountant /yenta trapped in a little boy’s body. It’s not cutesy it’s weird and the No Country for Old Men hit man hair and slow talking doesn’t help. 

Katie’s plan is stupid but all of her schemes have been idiotic. You plan to test a cheater with a woman who’s a social climber and who he’s had sex with?   How is it a test if we already know he will bang one of her relatives or in-laws since that’s what he does? Also the plot point driven dialogue is beyond idiotic. In what would would Brooke, a woman married to Bill and been called by HIM his soulmate dozens of times, insist Katie pursue him? Even is Brooke felt she and Bill were dunzo, old news, and platonic she’d have to wonder about the depth of his “love” or if he Katie were truly meant to be. 

[Ohwell]

2 hours ago, Gam2 said:

To switch topics, does anyone else think Hope looks cross eyed sometimes? I find her eyes very distracting and it takes me out of her scenes.

Yes, she does look cross eyed sometimes. 

[Waldo13]

Are TIIC trying to emulate Young Sheldon with Will?  Will is getting very annoying. 

Flo being a Logan, dating Wyatt, and now moving at the Forester Estate will blow Zoey’s mind.  

I get where Katie is coming from. One way or another she will have Bill by the balls. But Shanna will not be the be all end all. I would imagine if Stuffy did the dance of the 7 vails, Bill would be all in.