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[mightysparrow]

8 hours ago, Anna Yolei said:

Brooke should be considered a non-issue in all this. So should Ridge.

I like that Brooke is being the supportive mother that we never got to see her be with Bridget or even Rick to a degree, but I hate that it's in service to encourage Hope to be with someone who doesn't treat her well at all. Which is still more than I can say for Ridge, who only gives a shit about his bruised ego and uses his daughter as the excuse he wanted to shit over Bill anyway.

In either event, the parents on this show are way too overly invested in their kids' lovelives. It was tiresome back when those two were barely out of high school, and I don't want to watch it repeat when they're damn near 30+.

I agree with this.

Brooke SHOULD be a non-issue in this.  So what if she's a Liam/Hope cheerleader.  Is it a crime that she wants to see her daughter happy a crime?  I guess it is if the daughter is Hope and the mother is Brooke.  If there's anybody on earth who knows that Brooke Logan is NOT the person to go to for relationship advice it's Hope.  And if she forgets she has a living breathing, filth-encrusted reminder telling her how 'cheap' she is on a daily basis.  IN HER MOTHER'S HOUSE.  There's nothing wrong with Hope hearing her mother out; everyone wants somebody who's on their side.  If Hope chooses to take the advice, then that's on her.

At least Brooke wants her daughter happy.  Ridge doesn't give a fuck about his daughter.  Does he even ask about his grand-daughter?  The only time Ridge seems to be interested in his grandchildren is when he's trying to steal them from his son.  Ridge wants what HE wants, as always.  His beef with $Bill is the only thing driving him.  It's all about HIM and Hauxdilox is just another way for him to get back at his arch-rival.

The most important thing is that both Brooke and Ridge need to stop fighting decades-old battles through their children.  Brooke spent years raising Hauxdilox but if the ungrateful bitch is going to throw that back in her face, she needs to forget about Steffy and move on. Brooke knows how 'destiny' can wreck your life.  She should be helping her daughter prepare for her life as a mother (probably single). And Ridge just needs to die.

[lightninggirl]

How this is REALLY going to play out:

Stuffy [channelling her best Tracy Flick a la "Election" voice}: I choose ME! 
$Bill [channelling his best 1970s Indian anti-trash commercial]: /tear
Liam: Oh, thank the gods, Stuffy! You're NOT going to marry my dad! I knew you wouldn't betray Our Little Family like that!
Stuffy: OMG Liam I am so glad you're back. Being alone was the absolute WORST 8.5 seconds of my life! Like, seriously, I almost died.

[Kymmi]

Just when it was looking promising, they pull the rug out from under me again.  I can't believe they pulled a 90210.  I can't believe Steffy gets the shares anyway.  She's going to be INSUFFERABLE and everyone will marvel at this strong, brave woman.  Gross.  Although seeing her pulling the plug on Hope's line could be fun.

[TigerLynx]

1 hour ago, mightysparrow said:

Brooke SHOULD be a non-issue in this.  So what if she's a Liam/Hope cheerleader.  Is it a crime that she wants to see her daughter happy a crime?

Liam won't make Hope happy.  He never has, and Brooke should see that.  Brooke even referred to all the times Liam has let Hope down when she was talking to Liam.  Brooke, Ridge, and Taylor have turned out to be horrible parents.  The Taylor who put herself between Steffy and Morgan when Morgan was pointing a gun at them is long gone.  The current Taylor is a coward who shot Bill in the back, and let her daughter handle the fall out.

35 minutes ago, lightninggirl said:

Stuffy: OMG Liam I am so glad you're back. Being alone was the absolute WORST 8.5 seconds of my life! Like, seriously, I almost died.

If that happens, it will be so disappointing, but consistent with the way this show does things.

5 minutes ago, Kymmi said:

Although seeing her pulling the plug on Hope's line could be fun.

I'm actually looking forward to Steffy not being the one to cancel Hope's line, but everyone else deciding it needs to go because Hope's hypocrisy gets revealed when everyone finds out she's pregnant by a married man, and the backlash causes sales to nosedive.

[RedRockRosie]

I'm sorry, but how is this "I choose ME" Steffy any different than she's been all along? Hasn't she always chosen herself first? Has she ever put anyone else before her??

Can't honestly think of anything less interesting than watching this selfish egocentric chick "claiming her power". OPBG...hope you like your nanny, kiddo.

I'd actually like to see Liam grow a pair & claim himself some power & tell all the parental figures (and I use that term loosely)  to butt the fc*k OUT...and then swear off women for a few years decades.

But yeah, this is B&B...we recycle ...our stories. Saves brainpower.  ;-)

[Anna Yolei]

28 minutes ago, RedRockRosie said:

I'm sorry, but how is this "I choose ME" Steffy any different than she's been all along? Hasn't she always chosen herself first? Has she ever put anyone else before her??

The only difference is she's not fighting for Liam for the time being and, in a miraculous twist for B&B, she's not going for Bill just because he's there.

If there's any character that needs a Kelly Taylor moment, it's Liam. Hell, he doesn't even need to choose himself at this point. He just needs to choose, period.

32 minutes ago, RedRockRosie said:

 

I'd actually like to see Liam grow a pair & claim himself some power & tell all the parental figures (and I use that term loosely)  to butt the fc*k OUT...and then swear off women for a few years decades.

I'd love it if it led to him coming out as bi. Not that B&B would do the story justice, but aside from Rena Sofer, Clifton has always had more onscreen chemistry with his male actors than any of the women he's paired with. Might be a good way to reboot the character and put his love life on ice the way Rick's was after getting with Maya.

[RedRockRosie]

Just now, Anna Yolei said:

The only difference is she's not fighting for Liam for the time being and, in a miraculous twist for B&B, she's not going for Bill just because he's there.

If there's any character that needs a Kelly Taylor moment, it's Liam. Hell, he doesn't even need to choose himself at this point. He just needs to choose, period.

Yeah I suppose it was a conscious decision on her part to choose that maybe she doesn't need either or any man at this point in her life. Well then I say good for her... it will be interesting to see if she actually grows from this. (What can I say, I'm a dreamer.)

Yeah ...I agree about Liam. He's got to have an awful headache with his poor eyes ping ponging back & forth in their sockets as he tries real hard to make a decision. HopeSteffyHopeSteffyHopeSteffyHope....aaayiiieeee.

[ByTor]

1 hour ago, TigerLynx said:

Hope's hypocrisy gets revealed when everyone finds out she's pregnant by a married man

Liam wasn't married when Hope got pregnant.

37 minutes ago, Anna Yolei said:

He just needs to choose, period.

But in the immortal words of Rush, "If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice" :)

[TigerLynx]

51 minutes ago, ByTor said:

Liam wasn't married when Hope got pregnant.

Yes, he was.  Liam was going back to Steffy.  He hadn't filed the annulment papers (which should be called divorce papers).  Liam thought Steffy was still sexing up Bill, he banged Hope, proposed to her, and filed the papers all in the same day.  Which means the divorce was not finalized when Liam hooked up with Hope.  Liam is worse than pond scum.  Actually that is an insult to pond scum.

Shut up Ridge and Katie.  Why does Katie think she can demand Steffy tell her anything?

Yuk, the useless interns are back.  Liam being on everyday whining 24/7 is bad enough.

Liam, Steffy is going to serve you up on a silver platter to Hope.  You thought Steffy marrying your father was the worst thing she could do, but you were wrong.

Hope and Brooke are so stupid.  Steffy not marrying Bill could ruin things for Hope and Liam.  Why is that?  Is it because Liam is a flip flopping whore?  Could it be that the problem with Liam and Hope is not Steffy, Bill or anyone else, it's Liam?

Does Eric planning on having a chat with Steffy mean he is going to read Liam for the filth he is again?  Please let that happen.

Edited August 2, 2018 by TigerLynx

[ByTor]

4 minutes ago, TigerLynx said:

Yes, he was.  Liam was going back to Steffy.  He hadn't filed the annulment papers (which should be called divorce papers). 

You may be right but I'm pretty sure he did already file the papers.  However, even if they were signed and not filed, so what?  It's a technicality, it's not "Gasp, Hope slept with a married man" in the sense that she did it while they were in the midst of a happy marriage, Liam already left Steffy.

Edited August 2, 2018 by ByTor

[mightysparrow]

I'm ashamed to admit it, but when Hope told Hauxdilox she was proud of her and Hauxdi responded that it meant a lot to her, a tear came to my eye.  I REALLY want her to mean it even thought I doubt she did.  Hope and Steffy were/are sisters.  I think Hope has always kept a candle burning in the window for her sister.  Remember when she sat by her at the day of infamy aka Brooke's wedding?  And they had bonded over both having miscarriages.  IF Steffy is going to be turned into St. Stefffy, then she HAS to make peace with Hope.  She is the one who threw her sister away, just because she was a 'Logan'.  She twisted the knife into Hope over and over again to perpetuate the war their mothers devoted her life to.  Let Steffy be the one to make the first step.  Sisters are a special relationship, even though B&B is built on sibling (and parental) betrayal. 

Of course, I don't believe for a single second that Hauxdilox is planning on changing.  After a few victory laps, she's going to get tired of having her ass kissed and she's going to look for someone to mess with.  Predators are like that.

[Anna Yolei]

18 minutes ago, TigerLynx said:

Does Eric planning on having a chat with Steffy mean he is going to read Liam for the filth he is again?  Please let that happen.

When I saw that is my all time favorite scene in the entire two decades I've watched this show, I mean it. I can't seem to find it online though.

18 minutes ago, ByTor said:

You may be right but I'm pretty sure he did already file the papers.  However, even if they were signed and not filed, so what?  It's a technicality, it's not "Gasp, Hope slept with a married man" in the sense that she did it while they were in the midst of a happy marriage, Liam already left Steffy.

Exactly. And it says just as much about his trust in Steffy that he didn't question it in the same way that Hope always bolted at the first hint of him showing warmth to Steffy or that Steffy's first thought when he too three days to come back from dropping Ivy off at the airport is that he took off to be with her.

This isn't in the category of Ridge banging Brooke when she and Eric were married. It's not even in the same category as the first time she slept with this limp noodle.

[Gam2]

When the door to “everyone’s” office opened, my first thought was “What is Morticia doing here?”

[TigerLynx]

Hope, who holds herself out as a paragon of virtue, is a self-righteous judgmental hypocrite.  Liam was still married to Steffy.  Liam was going to reunite with Steffy.  If Hope was as good as she pretends to be, she never would have gone anywhere near Liam.  Actually, if Hope had any self-respect or self-esteem, she wouldn't have banged Liam and accepted his proposal two seconds after she knew Liam was going back to Steffy, but didn't because he thought Steffy was still sexing up Bill.

As I've said a million times, Ridge and Liam couldn't have jerked Taylor, Brooke, Steffy and Hope around for years if the women hadn't been stupid enough to put up with it.  Even now, all Hope can think about is the fact that Steffy not marrying Bill means Liam might waffle again.  That's just pathetic.

If Steffy doesn't stick to her decision about ending things with Liam for good, she will be right back where Taylor, Brooke and Hope are.  Pathetic wimps waiting around for a worthless manwhore to finally choose them.

[ByTor]

4 minutes ago, TigerLynx said:

Liam was going to reunite with Steffy. 

Not when Hope slept with him.  I'm just not going to agree, I think Hope, paragon of virtue or not, did nothing wrong.

[CharlizeCat]

50 minutes ago, ByTor said:

You may be right but I'm pretty sure he did already file the papers.  However, even if they were signed and not filed, so what?  It's a technicality, it's not "Gasp, Hope slept with a married man" in the sense that she did it while they were in the midst of a happy marriage, Liam already left Steffy.

I'm thinking that I remember a scene where at the very beginning, it showed Liam handing something off to somebody outside the door to the cabin and closing it.  I also seem to recall some mention of sending a courier to deliver the annulment to city hall to be filed.  I definitely remember him signing papers and after moments of waffling, called somebody to come pick them up and this phone call took place in Brooke's living room. He could have instructed the courier to go to the cabin for the pick up.

I think Hope was a fool to accept Liam's proposal and sleep with him mere minutes after sending off the annulment papers, but both of them believed Steam was over. Given that, was they did wasn't wrong per se. In poor taste, yes and too soon, definitely. But it wasn't some moral sin where Hope broke up a happy marriage. Bill's interference in what Liam believed or didn't believe wasn't relevant at the point. Liam was finished with Steffy and thinking that she was still cheating with Bill just reinforced the reason why he was dumping her in the first place. 

Do I think that it would be hypocritical for Hope to include morality, values, saving your body for yourself, etc., in the latest HFTF campaign. YES. However, I haven't seen or heard that message come across so far. This round seems to have a more philanthropic ring to it.  

I guess we will all agree to disagree. 

[ByTor]

2 minutes ago, CharlizeCat said:

I think Hope was a fool to accept Liam's proposal and sleep with him mere minutes after sending off the annulment papers

I'm not sure this is something anyone can disagree with :)

[Anna Yolei]

4 minutes ago, CharlizeCat said:

Do I think that it would be hypocritical for Hope to include morality, values, saving your body for yourself, etc., in the latest HFTF campaign. YES. However, I haven't seen or heard that message come across so far. This round seems to have a more philanthropic ring to it.  

Same here. Although, like I've mentioned before, what the fuck was the point of original preachy ass, moral Hope bucking against her mother's image if she still ends up in the exact same place as the other dum-dums?

But yeah. I'm not overly troubled. I only wish she'd rubbed it in Puffy's face afterwards.

[TigerLynx]

27 minutes ago, CharlizeCat said:

Bill's interference in what Liam believed or didn't believe wasn't relevant at the point. Liam was finished with Steffy and thinking that she was still cheating with Bill just reinforced the reason why he was dumping her in the first place. 

No, he wasn't.  Liam was going to reunite with Steffy when Wyatt told him Steffy was still involved with Bill.  That's when Liam finally decided to file the papers, proposed to Hope and had sex with her.  Hope was lecturing Maya, Emma, and other FC employees just the other day about how HFTF stood or morals, values, whatever.  If Hope had found Steffy and Liam in the dressing room about to have sex, Steffy would be getting called all kinds of names.  Hope's a hypocrite, and Hope and Brooke are going to get just what they deserve when Hope marries Liam, and Liam still waffles.

[CharlizeCat]

Hope already has a sister, Bridget. Hope and Hauxdi may have been raised under the same roof for a period of time but I don't consider them sisters. Even Cinderella's step-sisters didn't treat her as badly as Steffy has treated Hope.

It would have been great if Hope and Bridget had been able to develop a relationship or after Phoebe's death, Steffy and Hope could have formed a closer bond. But in Bell-land, ALL women must be adversaries no matter what.

These fictional morons aren't worth arguing over.

Peace out.

Edited August 2, 2018 by CharlizeCat

[jenrising]

Hope sleeping with Liam after he'd sent in his annulment papers and proposed marriage to her is stupid, but not immoral or in violation of her values. 

[nasir jones]

21 hours ago, Broken Ox said:

I know that's what I've wanted to happen, but I felt like I was watching an after school special about Being A Strong Woman, complete with cheesy music.

I expected to hear Whitney Houston sing, "I'm Every Woman" with confetti falling from the ceiling.  It was a bit much to say the least.

[ByTor]

53 minutes ago, TigerLynx said:

No, he wasn't.  Liam was going to reunite with Steffy when Wyatt told him Steffy was still involved with Bill.  That's when Liam finally decided to file the papers, proposed to Hope and had sex with her.

That's what I remember...therefore, when Hope had sex with Liam, he was not about to get back with Steffy, he decided not to.

[mightysparrow]

1 hour ago, CharlizeCat said:

I'm thinking that I remember a scene where at the very beginning, it showed Liam handing something off to somebody outside the door to the cabin and closing it.  I also seem to recall some mention of sending a courier to deliver the annulment to city hall to be filed.  I definitely remember him signing papers and after moments of waffling, called somebody to come pick them up and this phone call took place in Brooke's living room. He could have instructed the courier to go to the cabin for the pick up.

I think Hope was a fool to accept Liam's proposal and sleep with him mere minutes after sending off the annulment papers, but both of them believed Steam was over. Given that, was they did wasn't wrong per se. In poor taste, yes and too soon, definitely. But it wasn't some moral sin where Hope broke up a happy marriage. Bill's interference in what Liam believed or didn't believe wasn't relevant at the point. Liam was finished with Steffy and thinking that she was still cheating with Bill just reinforced the reason why he was dumping her in the first place. 

Do I think that it would be hypocritical for Hope to include morality, values, saving your body for yourself, etc., in the latest HFTF campaign. YES. However, I haven't seen or heard that message come across so far. This round seems to have a more philanthropic ring to it.  

I guess we will all agree to disagree. 

 

1 hour ago, ByTor said:

Not when Hope slept with him.  I'm just not going to agree, I think Hope, paragon of virtue or not, did nothing wrong.

I agree with both of you.  When Hope was a TEENAGER she believed that sex before marriage was immoral and made that choice for herself.  It turned into a campaign for a clothing line which became very popular with a lot of young women who believed the same thing.  I don't recall Hope claiming she was BETTER than anybody, just that she was committed to sticking to her principles.  Unfortunately the young woman she considered her sister had recently struck out with the married man she'd been flashing her stuff at.  After hitting her head in a bathtub, she decided that Liam Spencer, her stepsister's boyfriend would be a perfect consolation prize and started flinging her fools gold cooter at him.  Her justification for her betrayal was that Hope was a 'Logan;.  Unfortunately for Hope, her boyfriend was a weak loser and her mother talked her into using sex as a weapon, instead of an expression of love or desire.  Nobody won in that mess.

When Hope returned to LA after years in Milan (at Ridge's request) it was decided that Hope's line should be revived.  I don't recall any talk about abstaining from sex.  I don't recall any talk about sex AT ALL.  My understanding is that it was about social responsibility.  As I see it, being socially conscious DOESN'T mean having to wear a chastity belt.  Hope is a grown woman who has been engaged several times, married a few times and has even miscarried a child.  Hope is no longer a virgin and doesn't need to act like one.

I find it really interesting that Steffy can fuck her father in law, run home and sleep with her husband and not be held responsible.  Hope gets a little warm between the legs and she's the biggest hypocrite on the planet.  Hope slept with her fiance, who was single, as far as she knew.  The timing could have been better but BOTH Liam and Hope chose to express their feelings for each other sexually.  They weren't lashing out to punish someone.  They weren't trying to acquire cash or property or SHARES.  They were two adults who CHOSE to have sex.

I don't think that Hope considers herself to be a paragon of virtue.  I think she tries to be a good person and sometimes she fails.  I don't think she goes out of her way to hurt someone just because she can, unlike some characters.  Certain characters resent Hope because they aren't good people and don't like being reminded.  That's not Hope's problem and I think she'll be a lot happier when she tells all the sociopaths she's surrounded by that she's going to live her life the way she wants and they can all fuck off.

49 minutes ago, CharlizeCat said:

Hope already has a sister, Bridget. Hope and Hauxdi may have been raised under the same roof for a period of time but I don't consider them sisters. Even Cinderella's step-sisters didn't treat her as badly as Steffy has treated Hope.

It would have been great if Hope and Bridget had been able to develop a relationship or after Phoebe's death, Steffy and Hope could have formed a closer bond. But in Bell-land, ALL women must be adversaries no matter what.

These fictional morons aren't worth arguing over.

Peace out.

I forgot about Bridget.  Other than the elephant in the room, Bridget and Hope probably aren't that close because Bridget is so much older and lives so far away.  I guess it's because Hope looked up to Steffy when she was growing up and that made the betrayal twice as hard to bear.

[TigerLynx]

2 hours ago, jenrising said:

Hope sleeping with Liam after he'd sent in his annulment papers and proposed marriage to her is stupid, but not immoral or in violation of her values. 

 

1 hour ago, ByTor said:

That's what I remember...therefore, when Hope had sex with Liam, he was not about to get back with Steffy, he decided not to.

Liam was still married to Steffy when he had sex with Hope and Hope got pregnant.  Which is what I said in my original post.  Hope got pregnant by a married man, and that man was Liam.  If Hope really believed any of the crap she's been spouting for years, she wouldn't have slept with a married man under any circumstances.  Hope is no different from Steffy or Brooke.  Hope has bought into Brooke's anything you do is okay so long as it's for your destiny idiocy.

Edited August 2, 2018 by TigerLynx

[Gam2]

Excuse me but could anyone explain to me exactly how Hope’s fashion show was such a success? All she wears is shorts, huge palazzo pants and tank tops. If she’s such a great designer, why doesn’t she wear some flattering, cute clothes? And what the hell was Slutty wearing today?

[Anna Yolei]

3 hours ago, CharlizeCat said:

Do I think that it would be hypocritical for Hope to include morality, values, saving your body for yourself, etc., in the latest HFTF campaign. YES. However, I haven't seen or heard that message come across so far. This round seems to have a more philanthropic ring to it.  

Same here. Although, like I've mentioned before, what the fuck was the point of original preachy ass, moral Hope bucking against her mother's image if she still ends up in the exact same place as the other dum-dums?

But yeah. I'm not overly troubled. I only wish she'd rubbed it in Puffy's face afterwards.

6 minutes ago, Gam2 said:

Excuse me but could anyone explain to me exactly how Hope’s fashion show was such a success? All she wears is shorts, huge palazzo pants and tank tops. If she’s such a great designer, why doesn’t she wear some flattering, cute clothes? And what the hell was Slutty wearing today?

I don't think Hope was ever a designer, just the face of the campaign.

But yeah, why do they dress her the way they do? 

[ByaNose]

Did IR even have a line today? He needs to go back to GH pronto.

[ByTor]

2 hours ago, TigerLynx said:

Hope got pregnant by a married man, and that man was Liam. 

Hope got pregnant by a man who signed divorce papers and was separated from his wife.

Edited August 3, 2018 by ByTor

[Waldo13]

Hey Maya, is your only purpose in life now is to be the fly in the ointment?  

Ridge looked like he just ejaculated, in his pants, when Stuffy said she wasn't marrying Bill.  Stuffy is reinstalling the bedroom line and herself at spokesmodel. As I predicted, Kelly who?  Yes Stuffy, being the best role model for Kelly will include posing in your undies.  Stuffy trying to look like a bad ass corporate executive is an epic fail. Wearing her hair up exposes more of her flawed facial features. 

[Joimiaroxeu]

Why are Liam and Wyatt so doughy and pale? Well, Liam's been busy lately sorting out his baby mamas but Wyatt lives on the beach so what's his excuse?

Maya and her sister went after Forrester men like heat-seeking missiles so I don't think she has any room to be trying to give Emma the third degree for crushing on Xander.

This "in love with two women" in such b.s., IMO. I'm sure if Hope and Steffy were both hanging off a cliff by their fingernails and Liam could only save one of them he'd manage to make a choice.

I see you, Xander. It'd be real easy for you to go back to sleeping with Zoe while you're dating Emma and letting her keep her self-image as a "Good Girl." You might want to talk to Liam about how well that ploy works out.

Some poor horse is probably out there feeling a bit naked while its tail sits atop Steffy's head. Steffy looked rather severe to me with the white Kabuki-ish makeup, the cat-eyed eyeliner, and that part-pinstripe, part-leather catsuit contraption she was wearing. Yeah, she's "every woman" all right. Every woman who dreams of being Cruella de Vil.

Edited August 3, 2018 by Joimiaroxeu

[mightysparrow]

1 minute ago, Waldo13 said:

Hey Maya, is your only purpose in life now is to be the fly in the ointment?  

Ridge looked like he just ejaculated, in his pants, when Stuffy said she wasn't marrying Bill.  Stuffy is reinstalling the bedroom line and herself at spokesmodel. As I predicted, Kelly who?  Yes Stuffy, being the best role model for Kelly will include posing in your undies.  Stuffy trying to look like a bad ass corporate executive is an epic fail. Wearing her hair up exposes more of her flawed facial features. 

I don't have a problem with a mom posing in her underwear.  And there are so many more things that make Steffy bad mom material.  Like, HER CLOTHES!!!

When she walked in wearing that Big Boss Lady outfit, I laughed.  Doesn't anybody in the B&B know what a female executive in a fashion house wear?  Has anybody in B&B even read a fashion magazine?  And why was Steffy wearing the hindquarters of a Shetland pony on her head?

From what I've seen in pictures of JMW in 'real life', she has a lot of input in Hauxdilox' clothes.  She shouldn't.  What Steffy was wearing was no 'Brooke's Red Suit'.  It was a joke.

This is what happens when women like the Kardashians become the standard of beauty and fashion for women who don't know any better.  Diane Vreeland must have been spinning in her grave the day Anna Wintour put Kim Kardashian on the cover of Vogue to please her friend Kanye.  Hauxdilox is a Kardashian-wannabe, which should be no surprise.  She also got where she is by either fucking or being born into it.

[mightysparrow]

Just now, Joimiaroxeu said:

Why are Liam and Wyatt so doughy and pale? Well, Liam's been busy lately sorting out his baby mamas but Wyatt lives on the beach so what's his excuse?

 

I was thinking about this today.  I'm sure that SC and DB are lovely men but they're not the stuff that a young girls are made of.  B&B used to be a male model's sanctuary.  What happened?  The real dreamboats, in my opinion, are African-American and it seems that Bell Jr. has a rule about letting Black men be the male lead.  When a nice-looking man like IR is stuck in the closet while TK is throwing his weight around, things are very wrong.  John McCook is still a handsome man but he's further back in the closet than IR.  The show desperately needs new blood.  Handsome, leading man looking, new blood.

[ByTor]

17 minutes ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Why are Liam and Wyatt so doughy and pale?

Those two looked like they were on their way to a dad bod convention.  Not that there's anything wrong with a dad bod, as far as I'm concerned, but I always liked soaps for eye candy.  The only male I find exceptionally attractive on this show is Carter, and we all know how often he's on.

Edited August 3, 2018 by ByTor

[CharlizeCat]

25 minutes ago, ByTor said:

Hope got pregnant by a man who signed divorce papers and was separated from his wife.

Liam petitioned Steffy for an annulment of the marriage, which we all know means invalidates the marriage. It never happened. (Remember when Steffy pitched a fit the first time around when Liam wanted to annul their marriage and she refused and said she didn't want to "pretend like the marriage didn't exist," and insisted on a divorce?)

Once a spouse or domestic partner is served with annulment papers, they have 30 days to respond. Also, the grounds Liam would have claimed were that Steffy was of "unsound mind" which is a broad term that could easily apply to fucking your father-in-law while still being married to his son. On those grounds, there is no statute of limitations as to how quickly (or how long you wait) to file the petition. 

Since Bell-air time seems suspended, it is difficult to tell exactly when Liam served Steffy and how long it took for her to finally sign the papers. Since she did eventually sign the papers, that meant she was in agreement with the petition and it was uncontested.  There would be no reason for a judge to deny it and make Liam appear to present his case as to why the marriage should be dissolved.  (I can't think of any ethical judge who would hear that story and deny the dissolution.)

So, under those legal conditions, once Steffy and Liam's signatures appeared on the petition, the marriage was over. 

[Kymmi]

1 hour ago, ByaNose said:

Did IR even have a line today? He needs to go back to GH pronto.

I can't help but love IR (former GH watcher).  I do wish he'd grow out his hair - he clearly has a full head of it, I don't get it.

31 minutes ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Some poor horse is probably out there feeling a bit naked while its tail sits atop Steffy's head. Steffy looked rather severe to me with the white Kabuki-ish makeup, the cat-eyed eyeliner, and that part-pinstripe, part-leather catsuit contraption she was wearing. Yeah, she's "every woman" all right. Every woman who dreams of being Cruella de Vil.

LOL - it was all just too much.  JMW has such dramatic features, if you play up too many of them she's suddenly Maleficent.  I swear she almost winked at Ridge.  No, girl.  No.

Why does she always refer to her daughter as her "little girl".  It's so dismissive? diminutive? I don't know, but in my own daughter's 14 years (and all the eye rolls to go with it) I never once referred to her that way.  It's so odd.

[ByaNose]

1 hour ago, ByTor said:

Those two looked like they were on their way to a dad bod convention.  Not that there's anything wrong with a dad bod, as far as I'm concerned, but I always liked soaps for eye candy.  The only male I find exceptionally attractive on this show is Carter, and we all know how often he's on.

DB was really was non soap ready. How does he have a job. When you are a young guy you have one job. Abs!

[TigerLynx]

It takes six months for the divorce to be final in California.

[TessHarding2]

4 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Some poor horse is probably out there feeling a bit naked while its tail sits atop Steffy's head. Steffy looked rather severe to me with the white Kabuki-ish makeup, the cat-eyed eyeliner, and that part-pinstripe, part-leather catsuit contraption she was wearing. Yeah, she's "every woman" all right. Every woman who dreams of being Cruella de Vil.

I banged my head wondering who she reminded me of and with the help of google - Disney's Mulan.  Her face freaked me out.  I found her disturbing looking, not appealing, feminine or edgy.

 

 

[drivethroo]

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Hope gets a little warm between the legs and she's the biggest hypocrite on the planet. 

I think what makes Hope a hypocrite (in my opinion) is she ran around being a "shoulder to cry on" with Liam while he was married to Steffy, telling Steffy she supported her and her marriage, then running to Liam and saying how sad, how bad Steffy is.  All she was doing was trying to slide her way back into Liam's life; own it.  If Hope and Liam were married and Steffy was hanging around, being a "shoulder to cry on" for Liam she would be blasted as being a homewrecker; yet Hope is not similarly branded.   And while the Hope For The Future line is not being branded as a fashion line for morality and values, Hope herself still sees the line that way, as she told Sally that Sally's morals and values weren't up to code to be a part of the Hope For The Future brand.

Steffy ain't great, but neither is Hope.  Hope is a stupid fool for hanging on to Liam and Brooke is an even stupider fool for encouraging Hope to pursue Liam.  Liam flip flops worse than a fish newly caught in the net and they know he changes his mind on a dime which is why both of them were trying to rush Liam down the aisle before he could change his mind again.

I hope Eric visits Steffy at the Cliff House and she gives him the low-down on what's been going on, and I hope Liam shows up to beg for Steffy again and that Eric smacks him down again, fresh for the 2018.  I don't think anyone connected to Forrester outside of Hope, Steffy, Ridge, Brooke, Katie & Wyatt know that Hope is pregnant by Liam and I hope when Eric finds out that tidbit he gives Liam the mother of all smackdowns.

[nilyank]

But no one in the family should be surprised by Hope”s pregnancy. They were all there for the last aborted wedding between Liam and Hope. It is not out of the realm of possibility that they would have unprotected sex.

[ByTor]

9 hours ago, TigerLynx said:

It takes six months for the divorce to be final in California.

Then either B&B's California works different or more time passed than it seemed, because Hope & Liam's wedding was within days of the boink.

Edited August 3, 2018 by ByTor

[CountryGirl]

You know, show had been on fire of late, but this "I Am Woman" retconn of Steffy "Hauxdiloxs" Forrester is like throwing a wet blanket over all of that soapy goodness. 

Normally, I would be all for a woman finally putting her foot down and choosing to put herself first over some ain't worth her time man, but I just cannot. Not with this particular woman. 

The cheesy music isn't helping nor is Ridge's decidedly gross reaction to learning that his daughter is going to resurrect the Bedroom line and be its lead model. Maybe it's just me but the expression on his face when he hugged her reminded me so much of when he was falling for Carowhine. He really is turning into his mother with his fascination in that department. 

JMW's makeup was on point, but the "I Dream of Jeannie" hair...just...no. It gave me church giggles. And the outfit? She better be handing it back over to Y&R's resident dumpster diver Phyllass.

Brooke looked gorgeous with her hair swept back. 

And....that's all I've got.

Edited August 3, 2018 by CountryGirl

[drivethroo]

1 hour ago, nilyank said:

But no one in the family should be surprised by Hope”s pregnancy. They were all there for the last aborted wedding between Liam and Hope. It is not out of the realm of possibility that they would have unprotected sex.

Hope's pregnancy per se isn't the issue; it's Liam's flip flopping that's the issue:

• He decided to get back together with Steffy, showering her with flowers and forgiveness
• Then Wyatt tells him that Bill & Steffy were still an item so he runs back to Hope and asks her to marry him
• Then dumps Hope at the altar when Wyatt tells the truth that Steffy & Bill were NOT an item
• Then gets back together with Steffy
• Then pulls away from Steffy when he learns about Hope's pregnancy
• Then as he's about to have sex with Hope (after moving back in with Steffy), gets caught almost in the act by Steffy & drops Hope like a hot potato to run after Steffy

So what's going to happen is because Steffy is unavailable to Liam, he's going to be all up in her grill trying to get her back, and will only run to Hope as a default.  I don't think Eric would be too pleased to learn Liam has been jerking both Steffy and Hope around because he doesn't want the responsibility of having to decide.

[TigerLynx]

3 hours ago, ByTor said:

Then either B&B's California works different or more time passed than it seemed, because Hope & Liam's wedding was within days of the boink.

 

Because the writers are idiots.  Also, it would be a divorce, not an annulment.  An Annulment means the marriage is invalidated or never happened legally (or religiously depending on the reason) which would make any children illegitimate.  No judge (unless they were bribed) would sign off on an annulment for a marriage where a paternity test has been performed on a baby that is about to be born and the husband of the wife is shown to be the father.

2 hours ago, drivethroo said:

So what's going to happen is because Steffy is unavailable to Liam, he's going to be all up in her grill trying to get her back, and will only run to Hope as a default.  I don't think Eric would be too pleased to learn Liam has been jerking both Steffy and Hope around because he doesn't want the responsibility of having to decide.

I want Steffy to remain unavailable to Liam forever.  Let Steffy be single, not give Liam a second thought, and eventually start dating again.  I would love for Eric to tell Liam off again.  I'm also going to laugh when Ridge dumps Brooke again.

Edited August 3, 2018 by TigerLynx

[ByTor]

1 minute ago, TigerLynx said:

Annulment means the marriage is invalidated or never happened legally (or religiously depending on the reason) which would make any children illegitimate.

 In CA (real CA, not Bell CA), parentage has to be legally established. http://www.courts.ca.gov/1037.htm

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Rights and obligations relating to the children
If you and your spouse or domestic partner have children together and you get an annulment, the legal presumption that children born during a marriage or domestic partnership are children of the couple also does not exist. This means that, if you get an annulment, you must also ask the judge to establish parentage (paternity) for any children you have in common with the other party. Talk to a lawyer about how to do this. Click for help finding a lawyer. The family law facilitator or self-help center may also be able to give you some information.

Once the parentage is established, then you can, in your annulment, ask the judge to make orders about:

Custody and visitation, and

Child support.

 

 

1 minute ago, TigerLynx said:

the writers are idiots. 

Of course they are.  Like that idiotic "surprise wedding" that Brooke threw for Hope & Liam.  Ummm, don't the potential married people need to sign this thing called a marriage license?

[TigerLynx]

Which is why Liam and Steffy's marriage wouldn't have been legally over just because Liam sent some papers off with a courier.  Of course, if Liam ended up in jail for bigamy because he's married to two or three different women at the same time, I'm sure that would somehow be Steffy or Hope's fault, not Liam's.

[jenrising]

41 minutes ago, TigerLynx said:

Which is why Liam and Steffy's marriage wouldn't have been legally over just because Liam sent some papers off with a courier.  Of course, if Liam ended up in jail for bigamy because he's married to two or three different women at the same time, I'm sure that would somehow be Steffy or Hope's fault, not Liam's.

Within the stupid logic of this show that isn't the case. They've established (after a ton of annulments that could never be in the real world) that papers signed and sent to the courthouse is the end of the marriage. 

[Anna Yolei]

5 hours ago, nilyank said:

But no one in the family should be surprised by Hope”s pregnancy. They were all there for the last aborted wedding between Liam and Hope. It is not out of the realm of possibility that they would have unprotected sex.

That's what's been puzzling me too. They were two seconds away from marriage, yet Hope is treated as though she strolled up and destroyed some happy marriage. You know, the way Steffy strolled up to a happy Liam and Ivy because he was hers first.

That said:

11 hours ago, drivethroo said:

think what makes Hope a hypocrite (in my opinion) is she ran around being a "shoulder to cry on" with Liam while he was married to Steffy, telling Steffy she supported her and her marriage, then running to Liam and saying how sad, how bad Steffy is.  All she was doing was trying to slide her way back into Liam's life; own it. 

All of this, but especially the last two words. It's believeable Hope would have some regrets about how things ended and what could've been were not for Steffy and her manipulations. Hope was not, is not and will never be a viable candidate to replace Bridget, ever. She has a nasty streak--one that is well earned, at least towards Steffy. Take advantage of it, writers.

[ByTor]

8 minutes ago, jenrising said:

Within the stupid logic of this show that isn't the case. They've established (after a ton of annulments that could never be in the real world) that papers signed and sent to the courthouse is the end of the marriage. 

This.