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[CountryGirl]

So much tomfuckery yesterday, so little time...

The first WTAF goes to Liam and crying, real tears and everything, over his despicable father, who is so not worth his tears, much less the vigil others Bill has harmed (sans Hauxdi) are keeping outside his hospital room.

SC does a tortured Liam so well but all I could say  when he worried that his father is conscious on some level and his last recollection is of the bullet ripping through him was:

I hope it hurt like a mofo.

The second WTAF goes to the continued forced bonding of Nope and Hauxdi, including that hug from Nope while the two of them watch Liam through the window(blech!) 

The third WTAF (although par for the course) is Hauxdi trying to use Liam's vulnerability to manipulate him right back into her clutches, telling him how much she admires him for "showing his feelings" despite what Bill did and basking as he cries more tears. 

I see you heifer. 

Nope sees you, too. Although why she is even there is beyond me. The only way this would be believable is if it was all part of Hope's plan to get revenge on Steffy, by playing the role of understanding doe-eyed doormat, when all along she's just biding her time, drawing Steffy in, making her feel comfortable, and then she'll go after Liam with a vengeance.

Seriously, Liam - don't fall for Hauxdi's shit.

The fourth WTAF is this nonsense with Justin spilling at the tea to Detective Sanchez. I need this hammy little pipsqueak outa here and bring Lt Hot Dog back already. 

This did make me LOL though:

The sole bright spot was Tally, although it's ever so bittersweet with CH leaving (and please no to the rumors that she's the recast for Y&R's Dummer). CH deserves better than that.

Thomas came back to Los Angeles for one reason and one reason only - her. But he knows she's guarded, as she should be, and acknowledges how he hurt her so terribly before.

He reiterates Bill's part in the lie but Caroline is not left off the hook either (and I hope with LG coming back next week) that the two of them give her a heaping helping of comeuppance. 

It's as if a weight has been lifted on Sally's slender shoulders as they finally embrace.

Sally: "You know, I was so angry at you for not being here." They continue to hold hands, the months apart of no consequence now.

Thomas: "Yeah, I kinda figured that much when you wouldn't answer my calls."

Sally: "Did you suffer? Because you were supposed to have suffered." There's a bit of the old teasing back in her voice.

Thomas: "Oh, I suffered. FYI, Darlita, not very good at the "she's out of the office" ploy." She laughs at this.

Sally: "Yeah, she's a lousy liar." But there's a smile on her face now.

Thomas cannot stop smiling at her and I love it.

Thomas turns serious: "I thought you were done with me."

Sally is equally somber: "I thought you were done with me."

Thomas: "It's amazing, isn't it? We've figured out an entirely new relationship where we can both feel rejected at the same time."

Sally: "Yeah, well, it's not really new for me. It's kind of my specialty." Awww...

Thomas sighs: "God...I freaked--I freaked out when I heard you were trapped during the demolition of the building. I was in the middle of Fashion Week and going back and forth between shows and I missed the news and..." He falters because how do you explain the unexplainable? "When I called home...and heard about it over Thanksgiving..." The thought goes unfinished.

Sally, with a trace of deserved acid in her tone: "Yeah...well..Caroline had to know. Her cousin was the one pinned in the rubble with me."

Thomas: "If she did, she didn't say anything." Don't make it sound like you're defending her. She didn't say a lot of things, that lying Carowhine. "And by the time that I found out, I figured you wouldn't want to see me." 

Sally: "I thought you'd come home." Because...duh!

She gives him a look: "I planned some really devastating things to say." He can see he's been forgiven and quite honestly, it's B&B's version of "you had me at 'Hello?'"

His eyes light up, welcoming the sparring to come, the fiesty redhead he loves so much.

Thomas: "Oh well, you can give it a shot now if you want because it's never too late to be devastating."

Sally: "No, no, because it's always a bad idea to commence a conversation you've already had in your head." She then admits to contemplating making him jealous over Liam.

Thomas: "Which I wouldn't have bought because I know how in love with my sister he is." Eh...

Sally: "And yet..." 

Thomas: "And yet..." So clearly he's somewhat clued in. "Is this just some little squabble that's gonna blow over or is this something serious?"

Sally: "I know nothing but from the outside, it seems pretty big....I don't want to talk about it." She does acknowledge knowing they're expecting. 

Thomas shares that Steffy called him, "over the moon." Was that before or after the paternity test?

He then adds it's "one more thing for us to be competitive about...parenting."

Sally asks the obvious question, if he's going to stay in New York with Douglas.

Thomas: "That depends." His eyes lock with her's.

Sally: "On what?"

A thousand wild horses couldn't drag her away from this room, this man right now.

But she's still gun shy, all things considered, and pulls away.

Thomas: "God, I missed you."

Sally: "You had Caroline to keep you warm." Yep, he deserved that.

Thomas: "It wasn't warm. It was tense...and now I know it's because she hated keeping up Bill's lie." Well, boo fucking hoo for her. 

Sally rolls her eyes: "But she did."

Thomas: "Which is why we're thoroughly done."

Sally approaches him. "So you're staying in LA?"

Thomas shakes his head: "I can't be that far from my son."

Sally, assuming nothing has changed: "I see."

Thomas instantly sees the change in her and is quick to clarify, taking her hands in his: "Sally...we can have what we once had."

Sally: "How? I mean, what's changed?"

EVERYTHING. She just doesn't know it yet.

Thomas: "I want you with me. Come with me to New York. We can start our own fashion house. We can even call it Spectra if you want to. Just...leave...this. Leave Bill Spencer and the rest of this behind you."

He has never been so serious.

Sally: "New York?"

Thomas plays at pulling on his ear: "I'm sorry, is there an echo in the room?"

Sally: "I can't." Say what? "I'm sorry, but I just can't."

Thomas challenges her: "Those are two words I've never heard you say before. Why not?

Sally: "Saul? Grams?"

Thomas: "So, let's hire them. Give them jobs." Um, don't forget Darlita (although I like the idea upthread of having her replace cray-cray Aunt Pam and her damn lemon bars).

Sally is so touched, almost in tears as she looks back at him: "Are you serious?"

Thomas: "Absolutely."

Sally: "When would we do this?"

Thomas, not wanting to waste one more second now that he's with her, "Today. Right now."

Sally gasps at this, but you can see how the joy is building inside of her: "I need time-"

Thomas: "For what?"

Sally: "To pack!" The happiness, the relief, written all over her.

Sally reassures him, repeating: "To pack! Yes, of course, I'll go with you!"

He grins as she jumps into his arms, back where she belongs and these two are pure magic together.

Sally, holding on for dear life, "I just want to get as far away from this place as possible."

They have about two seconds to revel in their reunion when Sanchez is at the door and asking about those pesky prints on the golden gun. 

A temporary speed bump as Sally is the least likely suspect in my book.

I will be so sad to see CH/Sally go but at least my girl is getting her happy ending.

Edited March 14, 2018 by CountryGirl

[ByTor]

I guess the idiot writers forgot that Sally is in love with Liam.  I'm glad Sally is leaving, the writing for her is so bad that I can't even say anything she does is out of character, because they never even gave her a character to begin with. 

[Joimiaroxeu]

48 minutes ago, CountryGirl said:

I see you heifer.

Line of the day. Line of the week. Line of the month. Line of the year. Line of the decade. Line of the century. Line of the millennium.

[Anna Yolei]

@TessHarding2

It was after Brill 1.0. I remember that much because Katie, sour lemon that she was, faked a heart attack to keep Brooke and Ridge from getting married. The lack of chemistry and the blatant lack of fucks either gave beyond punishing Bill easily made this the worst pairing I've ever seen for Ridge. Given he dated his sister-daughter  once, that's saying something.

Oh! And the red ribbon! What a joke *that* was! Katie was walking around with that tattered string for MONTHS! He'd still never replaced it with an actual ring before they broke up once it appeared Brill were dead for good once Ridge moved on to Caroline.

3 hours ago, Cindylou said:

Hope needs a Damian Grimaldi....

Naw, she needs a James Stenbeck, cuz some people on this show need some killing ;)

Edited March 14, 2018 by Anna Yolei

[TobinAlbers]

That Tally conversation makes me happy and mad; happy that they're back together and getting their happily ever after and mad because damn it, writers you just showed how awesome you can be with character and dialogue and story when you want to be!

I've noticed this for a lot of shows. For some reason when their backs are against the wall and they have to write an actor exit, writers seem to up their game. But have an actor for a 2 year contract and they can't think of any story for them or just move them from plot to plot with inconsistent characterization.

On ATWT, they killed off Bryant Montgomery - a legacy kid - because 'they didn't know what to do with him'

and questioned his acting, but once they gave him and the cast the death storyline they all excelled. Actors will bring it when they feel they need to and are given the story.

I think writers across the shows should always write as if the characters on the show could leave or be killed off at any given moment. It might yield a better result in story, LOL.

 

3 minutes ago, Anna Yolei said:

Naw, she needs a James Stenbeck, cuz some people on this show need some killing ;)

I'd go with a Damien. Hope gets a kid that's not from the incestuously small pool on the show AND her Damien can be a bastard that kicks ass and takes names and has a shady past that gives her story independent from the Forrester/Spencers for years to come.

Then again if she has a James, his insanity would eventually rub off on her and probably activate those Sharpe genes so she can start manipulating and taking care of business herself.

Still, I wish they'd consider my Noah Newman/Hope Logan Forrester crossover idea.  They've done character transplants before and Noah would be a perfect milk toast match for Hope.

[ByTor]

1 minute ago, TobinAlbers said:

I'd go with a Damien. Hope gets a kid that's not from the incestuously small pool on the show AND her Damien can be a bastard that kicks ass and takes names and has a shady past that gives her story independent from the Forrester/Spencers for years to come.

Kind of like an Italian Bill, I can go for that :)

[Anna Yolei]

1 hour ago, ByTor said:

I guess the idiot writers forgot that Sally is in love with Liam.  I'm glad Sally is leaving, the writing for her is so bad that I can't even say anything she does is out of character, because they never even gave her a character to begin with. Liam is to Sally what Hauxdi is to Liam: a poor replacement. I truly don't think she'd have ever given him the time of day were not for Caroline, Bill and Haudxi getting involved to manipulate Thomas.

On the more practical side of things, I honestly think Bell did a pivot half way through developing Lally for whatever reason. Was he scared that it wouldn't generate ratings? Why bother bringing Nope back into this mess to make her the fall guy for Steffy's actions? Or to have Liam going back to this waffling mess? I liked that he wasn't trying to date Sally, but this shit with Hope...no.

40 minutes ago, TobinAlbers said:

On ATWT, they killed off Bryant Montgomery - a legacy kid - because 'they didn't know what to do with him'

and questioned his acting, but once they gave him and the cast the death storyline they all excelled. Actors will bring it when they feel they need to and are given the story.

Oh God, what a stupid ass decision. For what? To push up Jentitled's stock, only to kill her off three years later as well?

Edited March 14, 2018 by Anna Yolei
I have no clue how my own text ended up in the quote box, and can't fix it from my phone, sorry :(

[TobinAlbers]

14 minutes ago, Anna Yolei said:

Oh God, what a stupid ass decision. For what? To push up Jentitled's stock, only to kill her off three years later as well?

I knew the show was off the rails when they had Jennifer later team up with Craig - both holding the other complicit in Bryant's death AND Jen hating Craig as he also seduced her mother (who was in her goody goody phase) away from her father and made her life hell- and  had THEM sleep together so she could get pregnant with his kid and we have the baby switch story from hell that begat Meth addicted Jen before reuniting her with her kid and THEN kill her off. I mean WT everloving HELL ATWT?!

You just know it was some writer's bright idea that Jen and Craig having a son to make up for Bryant was 'poetic' and 'symmetrical' when it made not a lick of damn sense. BOTH of them had to be drunk for it to happen and of course Jen was able to then play the 'He took advantage of me card'.

Back to B&B:

22 minutes ago, ByTor said:

Kind of like an Italian Bill, I can go for that :)

Oh, the irony of Hope getting her own Italian Stallion $Bill.  What would be the odds that he's another one of Bill's bastard sons that he sired while gallivanting around Europe? If they went there you just KNOW they'd try to play it as she has latent attraction to Bill in order to facilitate Captive Cabin II: Bope.

1 hour ago, ByTor said:

I guess the idiot writers forgot that Sally is in love with Liam.  I'm glad Sally is leaving, the writing for her is so bad that I can't even say anything she does is out of character, because they never even gave her a character to begin with. 

I can easily buy Sally transferring her White Knight goggles from Thomas to Liam and her mistaking that she was in love with him for real, sincere, deep gratitude. Girlfriend was at a low being dumped by Thomas as Bill dogpiled on her and Liam was the only bright light she had in that darkness. Given the messiness of his life AND Hope already putting her on notice, Sally needs to let go and move on and recognize that Liam ain't the one.

Edited March 14, 2018 by TobinAlbers

[drivethroo]

Sally's not in love with Liam and never really was.  I think Sally transferred her feelings for Thomas over to Liam, because both men were her knights in shining armor.   Because of the way Thomas dumped her for Caroline, Sally didn't have a way to process the situation so she processed it with Liam.  Sally didn't fight for Thomas but she was going to make that up by fighting for Liam. Liam was there when Thomas wasn't.

Now that Thomas is back for her, there's no need for Liam because Thomas is there to save the day (again).  Sally would've supported Liam and dealt with Liam's child with Steffy just like she would've supported Thomas and dealt with Thomas' child with Caroline but she had that chance taken away from her by Steffy and Bill.

This entire mess is Steffy's fault because if she had left Thomas & Sally alone, her marriage wouldn't have been endangered because Liam kissed Sally.  Thomas would've been getting all the Sally kisses.  But because of her scheming, Steffy has left the door open for Hope to come back and snatch Liam.  The grave you dig for others just might be the grave you dig for yourself.

[ByTor]

44 minutes ago, TobinAlbers said:

I can easily buy Sally transferring her White Knight goggles from Thomas to Liam and her mistaking that she was in love with him for real, sincere, deep gratitude.

 

35 minutes ago, drivethroo said:

Sally's not in love with Liam and never really was.  I think Sally transferred her feelings for Thomas over to Liam, because both men were her knights in shining armor.

I can buy these.  I think, however, your scenarios are just a happy coincidence, because I seriously doubt the writers are smart enough to have come up with this reasoning.

[drivethroo]

Hope is stupid for even thinking about jumping into this situation. You've got an unemployed, homeless married man, estranged from his pregnant wife whom you know to be vindictive & nasty, and the unemployed, homeless married man's father, who has been nasty to you in the past.  Why would you jump into that mess? Or do you think the power of your love is so strong, so good, it can overcome all odds?   And how narcissistic are you to think this? Hope needs to mind her business and concentrate on Hope for the Future.  Stay out of Steffy & Liam's business and go get some of your own.

[CountryGirl]

1 hour ago, drivethroo said:

Sally's not in love with Liam and never really was.  I think Sally transferred her feelings for Thomas over to Liam, because both men were her knights in shining armor.   Because of the way Thomas dumped her for Caroline, Sally didn't have a way to process the situation so she processed it with Liam.  Sally didn't fight for Thomas but she was going to make that up by fighting for Liam. Liam was there when Thomas wasn't.

Now that Thomas is back for her, there's no need for Liam because Thomas is there to save the day (again).  Sally would've supported Liam and dealt with Liam's child with Steffy just like she would've supported Thomas and dealt with Thomas' child with Caroline but she had that chance taken away from her by Steffy and Bill.

This entire mess is Steffy's fault because if she had left Thomas & Sally alone, her marriage wouldn't have been endangered because Liam kissed Sally.  Thomas would've been getting all the Sally kisses.  But because of her scheming, Steffy has left the door open for Hope to come back and snatch Liam.  The grave you dig for others just might be the grave you dig for yourself.

Co-signed to all of this. Sally cares for Liam, maybe even loves, as a friend, as the only person in her corner and who shared a literal life-and-death experience with her. But she was always in love with Thomas and therein lies all the difference.

[ByTor]

15 minutes ago, CountryGirl said:

Co-signed to all of this. Sally cares for Liam, maybe even loves, as a friend, as the only person in her corner and who shared a literal life-and-death experience with her. But she was always in love with Thomas and therein lies all the difference.

If that's so, then that's the problem with the writing.  Not too long ago, it looked like Sally was about to fist-fight Hope for Liam :)

[drivethroo]

We actually haven't seen Sally interact with Liam since Hope came back.  She went over to the hotel room to get him to open up, he chatted with her and that was about it.  She told Hope she was going to fight for Liam's love but we haven't seen her fighting for this love, calling him up, texting him, asking him to drop a pin, stopping by the hotel etc.

We've seen her get up in Bill's grill and shoot Sky and go to lunch with Grams & Saul and dish with Darlita and that's about it.

There's no need for RJ if Coco follows Sally to New York.

I do hope Darlita stays in LA but only if she can get a job at Forrester.  She could even be one of the models.

[CountryGirl]

18 minutes ago, ByTor said:

If that's so, then that's the problem with the writing.  Not too long ago, it looked like Sally was about to fist-fight Hope for Liam :)

One of many problems LOL. 

[La di Diva]

Oh be still my Tally loving heart.  Flashbacks!, Love scene! Shirtless Thomas!  I will miss CH, but so glad Tally appears to be getting a happy ending. If the Spectras have to leave, then all of them going off to NY to rebuild the fashion house is a good ending. I'm glad B Bell had Thomas tell Sally to bring them all with her.

My money is on Carowhine as the shooter. Thomas said she went to a dark place, and she left NY a couple of days ago without a word to anyone.  Plus she's wearing Gloves!!!! Carowhine as the shooter puts her in jail/ nut house, which gives Thomas a clear path to sole custody. Even though Tally's happy ending will be off screen, at least it will be happy. We don't get many long-time, happily married couples.  The Forrester daughter married to Tony (blanking on her name) are happy --- but then they are largely off screen.

[ByTor]

8 minutes ago, La di Diva said:

The Forrester daughter married to Tony (blanking on her name) are happy --- but then they are largely off screen.

Kristen :)

[sugarbaker design]

Sad/not sad to read her that Sally is being written off!  Sad because of the huge loss of story potential with endless possibilities using B&B history.  Not sad because the actress deserves so much better than being one of countless female admirers of Liam. 

[drivethroo]

I could understand Hope, Ivy, Steffy, Sally, etc. mooning over 1989 Ridge Forrester, but not 2018 Liam Spencer.  Liam's cute in a IT Geek sort of way but not to the point of having all these women fawn over him.  The only 2 guys on right now that should be having women fawn over them are Bill and Thorne.

[Waldo13]

Stuffy is relentless. Bill is in the hospital but its all about her trying to use this to her advantage.  In a million years, I couldn't believe that if the shoe was on the other foot, Stuffy would forgive Liam.  Yeah right Stuffy, you were going to tell Liam that Bill  proposed to you. It's a good thing that Stuffy just got a Botox refill so she could lie with a straight face. 

Contrary to what we see on tv, the police can't make you stay in town if you are only a suspect. 

[Anna Yolei]

4 hours ago, ByTor said:

 

I can buy these.  I think, however, your scenarios are just a happy coincidence, because I seriously doubt the writers are smart enough to have come up with this reasoning.

Stop killing my dreams :(

....but yeah, you're right about that. I honestly think they were sincere about Lally until they weren't.

Which is honestly fine by me. I didn't want Sally getting wrapped up and becoming another Ivy once Liam waffled back to Steffy or Hope. More importantly, Sally is persuing her dream again, which is more than can be said for every other woman and most of the men.

[Gam2]

Waldo13, Slutty couldn’t even forgive Liam for kissing Sally when they were buried under a building and thinking they were dying! Yeah, having sex with his dad was the same. Liam should forgive her tomorrow. BLECH.

[FireSpark]

I think it's safe to assume that Sally forgot all about Liam the minute she laid eyes on Thomas again. LOL. For me, it doesn't really matter what the show intended for Lally because a) other than a kiss, nothing ended up happening between them, b) Tally was the original plan and c) they've made it clear NOW that Sally never stopped loving Thomas. So it's not hard for me to buy the other poster's theories that she never really loved Liam and was transferring her feelings from Thomas to him.

Thomas was back for less than hour and Sally was already planning a future with him and then sexing her gorgeous man up. Like I said, I have no problem believing in their quick reunion because Tally were written as a "love at first glance" OTP type of ship. They would still be together now if it weren't for Carowhine's gross manipulation and lie.

From day one Sally has wanted two things: making Spectra a success and Thomas Forrester. She has Thomas and they will no doubt make Spectra a success once again in NY. Mission Accomplished Miss Sally Spectra! 

I think this show is beyond stupid for getting rid of such a talented actress like CH and wasting all her character's potential. Idiots! But since I can't change that then I'm thrilled that my couple and especially my girl Sally will **hopefully** be getting a rare HEA.

I hope PF and CH move on to bigger and better things! I love them both. Although, I would love it if they both returned from time to time for special occasions.

**I say hopefully because I don't trust soaps anymore and part of me is expecting Sally to be the one who shot Bill and all this Tally moving to NY together is just a misdirect. I'm so used to soaps disappointing me that it's almost hard to believe I might actually get some kind of payoff. Fingers crossed.

[Gam2]

The two best actors on this show were Thomas and Sally. It was such a treat to see them today! The rest of them can go jump off a bridge. Bope (Boring Hope) has been a huge disappointment. What is she still doing at the hospital? I nearly fall asleep watching her trying to act and saying the same four lines over and over and over and over. Please, send her back to Paris or somewhere, anywhere. And move this Bill thing along as quickly as possible. I hope he dies and they never find out who shot him because I really don’t care anymore.

[Waldo13]

7 minutes ago, Gam2 said:

The two best actors on this show were Thomas and Sally. It was such a treat to see them today! The rest of them can go jump off a bridge. Bope (Boring Hope) has been a huge disappointment. What is she still doing at the hospital? I nearly fall asleep watching her trying to act and saying the same four lines over and over and over and over. Please, send her back to Paris or somewhere, anywhere. And move this Bill thing along as quickly as possible. I hope he dies and they never find out who shot him because I really don’t care anymore.

Instead of Hope they should have recast Thomas and left CH on the payroll.  I'm wondering how much dirt JMW has on Brad Bell to get him to dump CH. CH is sexier, a better actress, and has a killer body than JMW. Along those lines, I'm quite sure AB suffered the same fate. JMW couldn't stand the heat so she renovated the kitchen. 

[FireSpark]

Does anybody know where I can watch today's episode online? I usually watch it on DM but OF COURSE today's (and yesterday's) upload was all messed up and I missed a lot of the scenes. I'm Canadian so I can't watch it on the CBS app. I don't have Hulu if it's on there either.

Or does anybody know if CBS replays it anywhere on tv at night? It's been so long since I've watched it on tv that I thought it still aired at 4 pm before Y&R in Canada. 

ETA: I FINALLY found a non corrupted version! 

Edited March 15, 2018 by FireSpark

[Anna Yolei]

1 hour ago, drivethroo said:

I could understand Hope, Ivy, Steffy, Sally, etc. mooning over 1989 Ridge Forrester, but not 2018 Liam Spencer.  Liam's cute in a IT Geek sort of way but not to the point of having all these women fawn over him.  The only 2 guys on right now that should be having women fawn over them are Bill and Thorne.

Not even just that...until the last six months, Liam's personality was just so damn blank. It's like this exercise when comparing Ridge and him. Ridge had passion and drive when persuing a woman. He made them feel like he wanted them. The closest thing Liam's ever done for either of them is piss about Quinn being evil. Not exactly the stuff of romance novels.

And yeah, Nope and Stuffy had their own selfish, narcissistic reasons for putting up with the treatment, but damn.

[slayer2]

Honestly, Liam is such a do-gooder-donut, not even a doughnut, a DONUT, like a really shitty one. I sure do hope he finds out that Bill proposed to his wife like twice and plans to do it again. Moron. If a little thing like a gunshot wound got in the way of legitimate feuds on this show, every-fucking-body would be 5by5 by now. Daddy's a douchebag, dummy! A little metal in your Papa's "manly man" chest ain't gonna change that. Grow up Lima Bean, grow up!

Edited March 15, 2018 by slayer2

[Joimiaroxeu]

OMG, Steffy. Time and place, bish. It's the wrong time and the wrong place for you to be continuing your guilt-inducing tour of Liam's psyche.

Steffy: blah, blah, blah, I told Bill, no, I want to be with the father of my child.
Fate: uh, Steffy, could you step over here for a minute? We need to talk.

Hope, you can climb off your high horse any day now. Bill's merely proposing to Steffy has nothing to do with you. You're just trying to find any opening you can, right? So thirsty.

Oof, Thomas has developed a bit of a dad bod. That camera angle when he and Sally were making out on the couch wasn't doing him any favors. He's still cute though.

[Pickles]

Is Caroline going to be the one who shot Bill? Thomas just learned that she disappeared a few days ago and no one has heard from her. Is she sneaking into the hospital room to finish the job?

[Waldo13]

I forgot to mention this before but Det Sanchez mentioned that the glove prints were the last to hold Bill's gun while he was shot. So in my little brain that would have to be someone that knew Bill took his gun home. Therefore, Justin has moved to the top of the suspect list. But, of course, Det Sanchez will ignore that fact. 

[drivethroo]

If Caroline took off and disappeared and Thomas is in LA, who's taking care of Douglas? Maybe Thomas dropped him off at Karen & her wife's house.

[ByTor]

10 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Steffy: blah, blah, blah, I told Bill, no, I want to be with the father of my child.

I've been yammering for a while that Liam is the baby's father, but this line made me think twice.

Edited March 15, 2018 by ByTor

[grisgris]

What was going on with Caroline's hair? It looks like she borrowed the ugly wig Uma Thurman wore when she did a brief stint on "The Imposters." It didn't flatter her, either.

[Gam2]

Caroline hissing at Bill that it was all his fault that Thomas has left her. HUH? Bill lied originally but you went along with it for months! This one is on you, honey. No one made you lie to Thomas about dying from cancer! Just more weak writing. Very weak.

[ByTor]

17 hours ago, Waldo13 said:

Contrary to what we see on tv, the police can't make you stay in town if you are only a suspect.

And, was I the only one yelling at Sally and Thomas to shut the hell up without their attorneys present???

Edited March 15, 2018 by ByTor

[bannana]

13 hours ago, Waldo13 said:

I forgot to mention this before but Det Sanchez mentioned that the glove prints were the last to hold Bill's gun while he was shot. So in my little brain that would have to be someone that knew Bill took his gun home. Therefore, Justin has moved to the top of the suspect list. But, of course, Det Sanchez will ignore that fact. 

Yes, I rewatched the shooting, and it is clear that the shooter had to have known the gun was there.  So either Ridge or Justin.

Or the shooter brought his/her own gun, and saw the golden one, and decided to use it instead.  Which makes very little sense.

[jenrising]

1 hour ago, bannana said:

Yes, I rewatched the shooting, and it is clear that the shooter had to have known the gun was there.  So either Ridge or Justin.

Or the shooter brought his/her own gun, and saw the golden one, and decided to use it instead.  Which makes very little sense.

I can see wanting to shoot Bill with his own gold-plated phallic symbol weapon. Plus it makes it harder to track the shooter if they don't use their own gun.

Haha, just kidding. I don't think this stupid show thought about any of those things. 

[ByTor]

Maybe the shooter wanted it to appear that it was a suicide attempt.  Yeah, that's it, Bill tried to kill himself by shooting himself in the back!  I'm sure the writers would try to sell that.

Edited March 15, 2018 by ByTor

[CountryGirl]

Recap for Wednesday, 3/14/2018:

It was a red-letter day for my beloved Tally so I will save them (the best) for last.

At the hospital, the ToD is still keeping vigil outside Bill's hospital room with Hauxdi still trying to work any angle she can.

Steffy: "The way you love when it seems the most impossible -- it says a lot." OMG....

Steffy: "Maybe I shouldn't have brought it up-"

Liam's face: "Yeah, maybe you shouldn't have." He moves away from her.

Steffy keeps working it: "Maybe I shouldn't have brought it up. I was just hoping that maybe i could just get through to you. I know it's a complicated, difficult situation, Liam. And I know you're upset with your father, but you're also worried about him. That makes me know you're gonna be an amazing father to our little girl." Is there no level this manipulative heifer won't stoop to? He walks away and she sighs dramatically.

A doctor informs Liam that they'll be running more tests on a still-unconscious Bill. 

Liam is immediately concerned: "Tests? What do you mean, tests? What kind of tests? Is he getting worse?" You should be so lucky, Liam. What? Don't tell me none of you have been thinking it. As much as I have loved $ Bill over the years (or loved to hate), he's been a royal shit lately.

The doctor is quick to reassure him: "No, he's stable. They're just routine tests, but if you wanted to spend a little more time with him first..."

So back he goes into Bill's hospital room where he runs into a nurse.

Liam: "Uh, hi. The, um -- the doctor said it'd be okay to..."

Nurse: "Yeah. Yeah. I just got done changing his dressing and checking his vitals. I'm sure he knows that you're here." Doubtful since he's in a coma, but part of me wouldn't put it past Bill not to be faking, so he can bask in all the sympathy and tears.

The nurse leaves as a tearful Liam sits next to his father, pleading with him to wake up: "Okay. Okay, Dad, you've had your rest. It's time to wake up. I need you to wake up, okay? I'm not saying I'm not furious with you, but  I don't want you to die. Okay? So... I need you to open your eyes. Open your eyes. For me." There's no movement, no response, just the bleeps from the monitors and shhhh from the respirator.

Outside in the waiting area, Hauxdi and Nope are still marveling at how Liam is still there for his dad, even after all the awful things Bill had done.

Liam is a sucker, that's why.

Steffy: "There was a time no father and son were closer."

Hope, pointedly: "And now..."

Steffy gives her a look: "Uh, it's complicated." You fucked the father while married to the son. What's so complicated about that.

Hope inexplicably deflects, "Yeah, a lot of people hated Bill." She wonders who might have shot him.

Then, with what she thinks is friendly concern, Hope lays this on Steffy: "Steffy, listen, I hate to even bring this up. You know, I've kept this to myself for now, but..." She is so thirsty and transparent...and is she trying to out-Hauxdi Hauxdi?

Steffy: "Kept what to yourself?"

Hope sighs, all long-suffering martyr: "I know what bill was doing the night he got shot. I know he showed up to your house unexpectedly and proposed marriage."

Steffy snaps: "Brooke told you? Oh, my God..."

Look, telling Brooke is like telling the town crier...proceed with caution.

Hope: "What was Bill thinking? I mean, he claimed to support you, his son, your marriage, and then he does this? Was he trying to sabotage your chance with Liam?" Oh, you certainly hope so and I still wonder if someone saw them.

Steffy: "I -- I don't know. I don't know. I'd like to think not. I was expecting Liam for dinner, and I was hoping that this was gonna be another step in the right direction, and then Bill showed up. And I told him to leave. But he was all worked up. All he kept saying was, 'everyone hates me,' and that he stopped caring. And the only thing that made him happy is that he gets what he wants."

Hope: "And what he wanted was you." Thanks, Captain Obvious.

Steffy: "Hope, I swear to you, I did not know Bill was gonna propose to me. I swear. And I told him I wanted to be with Liam. I want to be with the father of my child. Hope, I was gonna tell Liam, but then the phone rang, and we heard about the shooting." Why is she explaining herself to Hope? She owes her nothing. She does owe Liam the truth, though, full transparency, and, of course, Hope is banking on that being the final nail in the coffin where the Steamless marriage is concerned.

Liam interrupts this scintillating little tete a tete to inform them there's been no change.

Liam sighs: "He's just -- he's so vulnerable in there." And you're so vulnerable, out here with these two.

Hope: "Liam. Steffy and I were talking, and this is all coming at you, on top of everything else you're dealing with. How you even know how you're feeling..." Fishing, fishing, fishing...

Liam: "I don't know how I feel. You know, for weeks now, I've been walking around, consumed with anger and hatred. I wanted him out of my life for good, and then this happens, and I'm faced with a very real possibility that he might be."

Hope: "Hey, you never wished this on him."

Liam: "No, I know, of course not. I mean, he did something unconscionable, but that doesn't mean that I want this, and I'm not saying that I forgive him, either." That does not go unnoticed by either lady and Steffy has to be reeling inside. I mean, he's not about to forgive Bill who is on his potential deathbed so how much further away is he from forgiving her? " I'm...I don't know what I'm saying, I don't. I don't know how I feel, I don't know what I think. This is -- I'm confused. I'm walking around confused."

Hope: "We understand." And are salivating over the prospect.

Liam: "You know, one thing I do know -- being in there with him -- we have to find the person who did this to him." 

Funny he should say that because at that exact moment, we cut back inside the hospital room to see someone has entered (and unbelievably unnoticed by the trio just outside his door), wearing a trenchcoat and gloves. 

We see their hands close the blinds in the room, then they move to stand near his bed, sliding a gloved hand along the hose for the ventilator. 

A nurse enters and spots the visitor: "Excuse me, miss. Only immediate family are allowed in the ICU."

The camera pans up and the visitor is finally revealed to be none other than Carowhine: "I'm his niece. Caroline. Caroline Spencer."

She turns to face the nurse and damn, she looks...rough, especially that awful cut.

Nurse: "I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to disturb you."

She leaves the room, leaving Caroline alone with her uncle.

Caroline turns back to look down at her uncle, anger and not a little cray-cray in her eyes as she hisses: "You did this. You made me lie to the father of my child, and for what, hmm? Just so you could get your damn building?" No, you did this, sweet cheeks. You went along with the lie. You kept the lie going for months and months, not caring that hurt Sally and Thomas and set in motion the chain of events that followed. Bill made you do exactly nothing that you didn't want to do to get you wanted, no matter the cost. 

She continues to seethe and rage: "Yeah, I had Thomas for a few months, our little family together with Douglas, but then I couldn't take it anymore, so I had to tell Thomas the truth, and now he's left me. And now I will never have him again. You've destroyed my life! The father of my son despises me. You ruined everything, and it's all because of you, Uncle Bill! Because of you!"

She moves her hands to his neck, looking as if she's on the verge of either ripping out his breathing tubes or choking him, her eyes black with pure hatred. So yep, she's turned pure nutter.

I'm not entirely convinced she's the shooter - yet - but perhaps here to finish the job. 

Now, on with the main event:

Of course, there's the little interruption courtesy of Detective Sanchez, who is grilling them about there whereabouts the night of the shooting. The only reason I'm recapping this in great detail is because of Thomas being so protective of his lady love. Because Detective Sanchez is so eager-beaver hammy here - all that's missing is a bright light to shine in their eyes. I also had to shudder when I realized who he reminds me of - that pipsqueak spawn of GarBridge (RJ).

Sally: "Are you saying that I'm a suspect?"

Det. Sanchez: "Somebody put a bullet in Bill Spencer. I'm just trying to find out who." Whom.

Thomas is instantly pissed: "Oh, no, you're doing a lot more than that, Detective. You're practically accusing Sally of being the shooter."

Det. Sanchez: "No one's accusing anyone of anything, Mr. Forrester. I'm merely trying to-"

Thomas cuts through his BS: "Hoping to entrap Sally into incriminating herself." Yep.

Det. Sanchez: "You're very protective of Ms. Spectra, aren't you?" Yes and I love it.

Thomas: "Is there a crime in that?"

Det. Sanchez: "Again, I'm just trying to get some answers."

Sally is fed up: "Okay, look, you want answers? Did I hate Bill Spencer?"

Thomas gives her a look: "Sally, careful."

Sally: "Yes! Yes! I did, okay? He treated me horribly. He ruined my business, my career as a designer, and as for the gun in his office, yes, I shot it. But not at him, at his stupid model for his precious skyscraper. That building is the entire reason he tried to put an end to me and Spectra in the first place."

Det. Sanchez: "So, in return, you tried to put an end to him, too?"

Thomas: "You're putting words in her mouth."

Det. Sanchez: "I'm not, I'm asking questions."

Thomas: "More like accusations."

Sally: "Okay, well, whatever it is, I didn't do what you're asking." 

Det. Sanchez: "Even though you had reason to?" That was just a stupid question. Lots of people have lots of reasons to do all sorts of things but that doesn't mean they always carry through.

Sally: "Multiple reasons."

Thomas: "All of them justified, by the way. And it doesn't mean that she resorted to violence."

Det. Sanchez: "You're defending her."

Thomas: "I know all too well what Bill Spencer is capable of, the depths that he will stoop to to get what he wants."

Det. Sanchez: "Sounds like you despise him as much as your girlfriend." You could say that.

Sally: "Uh, who said Thomas and I are a couple?" It's written all over the two of you. As it should be.

Thomas: "Look, Detective, Spencer did everything in his power to ruin Sally's life, both professionally and personally. Even lying that his niece, the mother of my child was dying just to separate Sally and me."

Det. Sanchez: "So you two were romantically involved?"

Thomas is like "focus please!," interjecting: "What are you saying? I'm telling you exactly what happened with Bill Spencer."

Det. Sanchez: "The victim had it coming?" And now, Chicago's "They Had It Comin'" is in my head.

Thomas: "So now you're putting words in my mouth."

Det. Sanchez: "Look, I'm just trying to find out who the players are, everyone and anyone that has motive."

Thomas: "And I'm included in that, too?"

Det. Sanchez: "All right, let's talk about the night Bill Spencer was shot, your whereabouts."

Sally: "I was upset with Bill. I went to the place where Spectra used to exist. I sat outside in my car and I stared at the hole in the ground that used to be my family's business and thought about everything that that man has taken away from me."

I think the real killer would come up with a sturdier alibi than that.

Det. Sanchez: "So there's no one that can corroborate your story?"

Sally: "No."

Det. Sanchez: "How 'bout you?"

Thomas: "What about me?"

Det. Sanchez: "Well, when building your father's profile, I remembered that you relocated to New York."

Thomas, tight-lipped: "Yep."

Det. Sanchez: "Suddenly, you're back in LA. Upset with Bill Spencer who's fighting for his life right now in the hospital. We know where Ms. Spectra was during the shooting, where were you?"

Before Thomas can answer, Detective Sanchez is (thankfully) interrupted by a phone call from the station and he heads off, but warns them: "Stay in town. Both of you. I may be back." Um, he can't just order them around without, say, a court order, but nice try, Dudley Do-Right.

There's a quick scene at the station with Sanchez and Hot Dog where HD fills him in on glove prints being found on the golden gun. Not to hijack my own post but I thought the whole point of wearing gloves is to hide one's fingerprints. Oh - and Thomas is added to their posterboard of suspects alongside, Ridge, the Brothers Spencer, Justin, Jarrett, and Sally. They're missing quite a few. I'm amused by some of the photographs, especially Sally in a midriff-baring top.

 

Back at Sally's apartment, they are alone again. Finally!

Sally, looking a bit worried, says: "I should probably get an attorney, huh? Not that I can afford one."

Thomas: "Don't even worry about that." Careful, your privilege is showing.

Sally: "How can I not worry about it? I'm being questioned by the police in a possible homicide."

Thomas: "Unh-unh! Bill's not dead. Yet."

Sally: "But if he does die..."

Thomas: "Don't even talk like that. And Bill is just mean enough to pull through." That I can believe.

Sally sighs: "You despise him as much as I do."

Thomas: "Sally, he ruined our lives. He told me that Caroline was dying and it made me think that my only possible place in this world was by her side. He cost us a hell of a lot." Their relationship, their company. 

Sally: "I really hate that you got dragged into this." But loving that he's here all the same.

Thomas: "It's not your fault."

Sally: "Maybe. But with you defending me to the detective the way you just did..." She knows he's likely to be added to the suspect list. 

Thomas: "I should have been defending you. From the start, I should have been defending us from Bill's psychotic lies."

Sally: "Yeah, but you didn't know that he was messing with our lives."

Thomas: "I should have known that a man without a conscience could do something like that. But we are going to get through this, Sally. We are going to move to New York and we are going to start our fashion firm. We're gonna get the life that we wanted, the life that Bill robbed from us." They lock eyes as Sally smiles, then moves to snuggle against him.

His phone rings, his eyes still on her's and he learns from either Karen or Dani that they are watching Douglas as Caroline dropped him off a few days ago. 

Thomas: "Caroline dropped Douglas off at his grandmothers' a couple days ago. Karen and Dani haven't heard from her since."

Sally: "You don't know where she went?"

Thomas: "Who knows? I mean, Caroline's gone to this dark place since she confessed." And then some..

Sally, understanding, but testing his response: "You're worried about her."

Thomas: "I will always be there for my son, but I will never trust his mother again. Caroline and I are finished. But as for you and me... I've missed you. I've missed us."

We see flashbacks to all those wonderful Tally memories (I added a few of my own):

Their first meeting at Il Giardino:

Their first kiss:

Their second kiss when Sally showed up the Zencole wedding, posing as a caterer:

When Sally showed up in Sydney to surprise him:

Canoodling in Sydney just before the jumped into the water:

Saying good morning the morning after they first made love:

When Thomas came to see her after the fire at Spectra:

Aaaaaaannnnnd they're about to make some new ones. ;-)

She's in his arms again and they're kissing as if they never spent a moment apart. Or making up for lost time?

Within moments, he's stripped off her shirt and she his...never breaking their kiss.

She puts her hand on his chest and looks at him lustfully and seriously, TPTB are fools to not do what it takes to keep these two.

And dad bod, my ass, PF looks f-i-n-e as hell to me!

They lock eyes and pull each other even closer as they kiss...and wowza!

[ByTor]

41 minutes ago, CountryGirl said:

Nurse: "Yeah. Yeah. I just got done changing his dressing and checking his vitals. I'm sure he knows that you're here." Doubtful since he's in a coma, but part of me wouldn't put it past Bill not to be faking, so he can bask in all the sympathy and tears.

It's actually believed that comatose patients can hear, their visitors are encouraged to talk to them, so he likely did know Liam was there.

41 minutes ago, CountryGirl said:

Hope: "What was Bill thinking? I mean, he claimed to support you, his son, your marriage, and then he does this? Was he trying to sabotage your chance with Liam?" Oh, you certainly hope so and I still wonder if someone saw them.

Steffy: "I -- I don't know. I don't know. I'd like to think not.

I meant to comment on this earlier.  How does Steffy think Bill would marry her without ending her marriage?  That would be one sick case of bigamy!

42 minutes ago, CountryGirl said:

Sally, looking a bit worried, says: "I should probably get an attorney, huh? Not that I can afford one."

Thomas: "Don't even worry about that." Careful, your privilege is showing.

I thought his kindness was showing :)

[CountryGirl]

6 minutes ago, ByTor said:

It's actually believed that comatose patients can hear, their visitors are encouraged to talk to them, so he likely did know Liam was there.

I meant to comment on this earlier.  How does Steffy think Bill would marry her without ending her marriage?  That would be one sick case of bigamy!

I thought his kindness was showing :)

Oh, I'm definitely believer (re comatose patients hearing folks) - I was being a bit facetious about Bill and whether he would feign continued unconsciousness or otherwise milk this.

Re Steffy and bigamy - I put nothing past her but now you have me thinking of a sister wives scenario with Liam and why in the hell did my mind go there?

Re Thomas...I was being (mostly) facetious there, too, although FC likely does have big-time attorneys on speed dial and it would never be something he would have to worry about.

[TobinAlbers]

11 minutes ago, ByTor said:

I thought his kindness was showing :)

Thomas is back to claim his woman. He also knows he did her dirty with the abrupt way he dumped her. He's also pissed as hell she's in this position because he allowed himself to get played by Caroline and Bill and left her vulnerable to Bill's BS.

He feels he owes her but BIG. He also loves her and wants to protect her now when he didn't then. And he wants his happily ever after with her now that it's all out in the open.

So, Douglas conception night aside, I'm down with Thomas throwing around his Forrester weight for good rather than how Bill throws around his Spencer weight for not good.

Now, the question is...will Steffy cop to her role? Will he be steamed at his sibling for what she did? Does he know about the Liam smooch? Will finding out about that mitigate his anger at Steffy and redirect it to Liam? Or will Thomas not care and just focus on making sure Sally is cleared to move back to NY with him so they can make a batch of red headed siblings for Douglas?

[CountryGirl]

2 minutes ago, TobinAlbers said:

Thomas is back to claim his woman. He also knows he did her dirty with the abrupt way he dumped her. He's also pissed as hell she's in this position because he allowed himself to get played by Caroline and Bill and left her vulnerable to Bill's BS.

He feels he owes her but BIG. He also loves her and wants to protect her now when he didn't then. And he wants his happily ever after with her now that it's all out in the open.

So, Douglas conception night aside, I'm down with Thomas throwing around his Forrester weight for good rather than how Bill throws around his Spencer weight for not good.

Now, the question is...will Steffy cop to her role? Will he be steamed at his sibling for what she did? Does he know about the Liam smooch? Will finding out about that mitigate his anger at Steffy and redirect it to Liam? Or will Thomas not care and just focus on making sure Sally is cleared to move back to NY with him so they can make a batch of red headed siblings for Douglas?

I don't disagree with any of that. 

As far as the bolded...does she ever cop to anything? The only thing she's copped to that I can recall is that she had consensual sex with Bill.

Regarding the Liam kiss - I think he would be that much more angry at his sister because she helped set events in motion. But will he be? Nope...because (1) he just wants to reunite with Sally and (2) Steffy is Teflon, just like her mother. 

[ByTor]

19 minutes ago, TobinAlbers said:

Now, the question is...will Steffy cop to her role? Will he be steamed at his sibling for what she did?

Prediction...he never finds out about Steffy's role.

[TobinAlbers]

13 minutes ago, ByTor said:

Prediction...he never finds out about Steffy's role.

She'll aim that belly at Thomas and rub it for all it's worth to distract him and make him back off!

Thomas: Steffy, did you know what Bill was up to? I mean-

Steffy: Is that what Caroline told you?

Thomas: No, it's just I know you had issues with Sally and you are close with Bill-

Steffy (arching back and thrusting her baby bump forward, furiously rubbing her belly with both hands as she advances on Thomas): Did I tell you I'm having a girl? I'm thinking I'll name her Phoebe. Or Hamilton. Or Kelly. Or maybe Steffy Jr. What do you think?

Thomas quickly backing away from Steffy in repulsion and confusion: Uhhhhhh. I'm gonna leave now because...yeah just because.

[Gam2]

I would just love it if Thomas confronts Slutty in the hospital in front of the entire family. She’s just the most awful person and Thomas needs to extract his pound of flesh from her in front of Liam. 

[Gudzilla]

18 hours ago, Waldo13 said:

I forgot to mention this before but Det Sanchez mentioned that the glove prints were the last to hold Bill's gun while he was shot. So in my little brain that would have to be someone that knew Bill took his gun home. Therefore, Justin has moved to the top of the suspect list. But, of course, Det Sanchez will ignore that fact. 

So will the writers. ;)

[mightysparrow]

Gloves leave prints?

[grisgris]

I don't understand that at all.  However, I'm reading a thriller novel right now and the CSI people are trying to extract fingerprints from concrete by using Super Glue and water, so what do I know? LOL!

I truly wish that Thomas would read Hauxdi for filth for her part in the "Caro-whine is dying" saga. Sally, Liam and Hope all need to be present for the dressing-down. The more public, the better. But, Hauxdi would probably call Liam out for knowing about the plot all along, which would break Sally's heart. (I don't mean romantically, but it would just obliterate all of her trust in and respect for him.) But ... maybe now that she has Thomas back and is heading off for a fresh start in NYC, she won't GAF.

I don't understand why Hauxdi and Bope (love that!) are skulking around the hospital. Indeed, they do look like two vultures. Liam needs to grow a pair back and tell those two preying mantis to take a hike and leave him alone.