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[sugarbaker design]

There was a third attempt?

[ByTor]

5 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

A few moments later, a fellow patron accidentally bumps into Sheila, who snaps, "Would you watch it?!?" Leopards, spots, and all that.

I wonder where my brain was, I do not remember this at all!  I wish I were paying attention :(

[CountryGirl]

3 minutes ago, ByTor said:

I wonder where my brain was, I do not remember this at all!  I wish I were paying attention :(

It was a "blink and you missed it" kind of moment.

[politichick]

I saw it. She seems to have some weird thing about being touched going on. Crazy Sheila lives on. Yuck. Fuck.

[La di Diva]

 @sugarbaker design -- So far only 2 attempts on Quinn's life. However, I predict more and I think Shelia will be the mastermind, although not the actual shooter.

[Waldo13]

Another WTF moment with Steffy's and Liam's spa day. What ever happened to the urgency of getting the new line out.  Whatever happened to Sally costing us millions and we have to recuperate our losses.  If Katie's so good at marketing than why does she need Wyatt's input. She will take Wyatt's ideas and peddle  them as her own.  What I find funny is that Katie is going to suggest a swimsuit line but do they actually realize how many more swimsuits have to be sold to make the same profit as one couture dress?  

I don't know Sheila from the old days but it seems she's the mayor of crazy town while Quinn is only a resident. I don't see a boiling bunny in Eric's future but I do see a boiling Quinn.  

[SweePea59]

On 6/25/2017 at 0:08 PM, ByTor said:

At about 11:12...

WHY???? That's the stuff nightmares are made of. 

[tessaray]

I couldn't concentrate on the Watie scenes - DB's hair is almost as distracting as RE's wig, though at least he can act.  HT/DB are doing their best with the awkward setup but I'm not into it, especially after that brief flash of chemistry with Deacon/Katie.  And it's so obviously temporary, there's no point in getting invested.  (I'm persuadable but not hopeful.)  

Let's see, what else?  Scott Clifton is in shape again.  Quinn and Ridge surely have a date with a bottle of tequila in the near future.  Oh, and it really is game on with Quinn and Sheila, isn't it? 

I did see a bit of the old Quinn peeking out today, with Ridge's question about Deacon and the encounter with Sheila. That was interesting.    

[APSimpson]

OMG that encounter at the end of today's episode was perfect! Quinn comes swaggering up, being territorial, has the audacity to grab Sheila and was immediately put in her place! Loved the music, too, and that shove! I am loving Sheila. Quinn deserves whatever comes her way, even though this will all end badly for Sheila who will end up back in prison or worse. But if she can do enough damage to Quinn as far as ruining her marriage with Eric then I'll be happy. Eric is forgiving, though, so when faced with the truth (assuming it does eventually come out about Quinn and Ridge's affair) he just might forgive Quinn, but at least he would see her for who she really is and not be constantly pedestalizing her, and that bastard Ridge, too!

 

Katie lookin' foin in that dress! Seen that dress quite a bit (Avery, Hilary and Leslie on YR). I am liking the Wyatt/Katie thing, the two could use some happiness.

[MsTree]

I don't consider Quinn & Ridge's flirtation as an "affair". 

Old Quinn did some horrible things, but New Quinn shouldn't be the object of everyone's wrath.  Anyone remember Rachel Cory from AW?  She was a BAD girl before she married Mac and she, too, reformed.  If it's good enough for Rachel (who became the matriarch of the show), then it's good enough for Quinn IMO.

[Cindylou]

Crazy Bitches recognize Crazy Bitches..... Quinn vs Sheila BRING IT ON!!!  Quinn got the vibe today.  I want to see new school Crazy go up against OG Crazy!!!!!! i can not wait!!!!

[sugarbaker design]

2 hours ago, Cindylou said:

Crazy Bitches recognize Crazy Bitches..... Quinn vs Sheila BRING IT ON!!!

That last scene is giving me life!  In the courtyard, two adversaries both with histories of crazy behavior, one reformed, one not so much.  Threats, more threats, a shove with a shoulder and then an icy glare.  Wow, I haven't been this excited about the show in a while.

[sugarbaker design]

6 hours ago, MsTree said:

Old Quinn did some horrible things, but New Quinn shouldn't be the object of everyone's wrath.  Anyone remember Rachel Cory from AW?  She was a BAD girl before she married Mac and she, too, reformed.  If it's good enough for Rachel (who became the matriarch of the show), then it's good enough for Quinn IMO.

Soaps have a long history of taking bad girls and transforming them into classic soap heroines.  I've seen it happen with Raven Whitney, Bobbie Spencer, Karen Wolek, Donna Beck and yes, Rachel Cory.  What all these characters have in common is after all their misdeeds, they all went through a period where they suffered, so the audience could see them atoning for their sins.  Only after this atonement can they transform into heroine status.  This storyline with Sheila will be Quinn's atonement, I believe.  Sheila has always operated long term operations on her enemies (poisoning, gaslighting), her plans for Quinn should be very interesting.

It's almost as if the writers said 'how can we normalize this crazy bitch?' and the answer was 'we get a crazier bitch' with the solution being 'see if Kimberlin Brown is available!'.

Edited June 27, 2017 by sugarbaker design

[ByTor]

7 hours ago, APSimpson said:

this will all end badly for Sheila who will end up back in prison or worse

Spoiler

If spoilers are to be believed, it's worse...she ends up in Genoa City! :P

[CountryGirl]

Recap for Mon. 6/26/17:

We open at Il Giardino where a wary Charlie tells Sheila not to worry about Eric. He again presses her for her connection to the Forresters. Sheila still has that super intense look on her face. It's also weird the way her hair is casting a shadow on her left eye, making it look like she got clobbered.

Sheila: "Stephanie was the kind of friend who would take a bullet for you." And that is an odd comment for her to make, considering Stephanie would have shot a bullet or twenty at Sheila, not taken one.

Sheila: "Is Quinn good for him?"

Charlie dodges that question and tells her he's looking out for Eric, then suggests that she talk to Eric about Quinn.

Over at FC, Eric and Quinn are kissing. Blech.

Where I once would have found that very sweet, now, it just turns my stomach, knowing what Quinn did to him with Ridge behind his back. 

7 hours ago, MsTree said:

I don't consider Quinn & Ridge's flirtation as an "affair". 

Where I come from, kissing another man not my husband multiple multiple multiple times (although one kiss is one kiss too many), pressing my body up against his multiple multiple multiple times (again, once is one too many), rolling around in a bed with him, sharing confidences, lying my ass off to my husband (the man I promised to love, honor and cherish, forsaking all others), is an affair. If the shoe were on the other foot and my husband was doing that, you better believe I wouldn't chalk it up to a "flirtation." YMMV, of course.

Ok...where was I?

Eric and Quinn chat about Katie's new position and both agree it's much more suited to her talents and joke about how she basically sucked at designing jewelry. Quinn expresses her gratitude to Eric, telling him how much he means to her and pulls him close for another kiss.

Ridge starts to enter but, seeing them kissing, he starts to turn right back around, but Eric spots him and tells him to stay as he's headed home.

Once he leaves, Ridge and Quinn rehash the shooting and once again, Quinn dismisses Deacon's claim that she tried to kill him as "crazy rantings." She steps over toward him to thank him again for saving her life, remarking "When you almost lose your life, you look at things differently." She talks about how it makes you think about what you want to do, who you want to be.

Ridge: "Who do you want to be?"

Quinn: "Your lover..." Okay, what she really said was this: "I want to be the kind of woman Eric thinks I am." That right now proves she hasn't changed one iota. She has deceived and continues to deceive Eric. Purposefully. Without any hint of remorse. 

Ridge: "I think you are that woman." Oh please...I'd believe it more if they weren't standing three inches away from each other, eye-fucking in full force.

Quinn gives Ridge a gift, a bottle of tequila, complete with a bright red ribbon. Dafuq?

Totally inappropriate considering tequila started them down the path that they are on now.

Quinn: "Now that everything is behind us (sure it is), tequila's kind of what got us into a bit of a mess in the first place." (!!!!) "I think tequila should just be...tequila." It will never just be tequila. Not for these two. "No bad memories attached." They smile at each other.

Ridge, examines the bottle, "I like that." He looks back up at her, almost boyish in his mannerisms and apparent delight. "Thank you."

Steffy and Liam are spending the day at a spa and I am not recapping this shit. Truth be told, I FF through their scenes which were a blur of white robes, lounge chairs, and lots of canoodling. Yawn...

Over at SP, Katie and Wyatt are still discussing her new job. While HT looks great in the gray and white dress she's wearing, I'm not a fan of Wyatt's vest and the hair continues to bug.

Wyatt advises her to follow Nicole's lead. Good luck with that approach.

Katie shares her ideas for FC, which include keeping their sexy CEO front and center. She sees Wyatt's face fall at the mention of his ex and immediately apologizes.

Wyatt laughs it off: "No, no...I absolutely love talking about how sexy my ex-wife is." 

Katie: "You still haven't gotten over her, have you?"

Wyatt: "Probably not...but I'm not going to dwell on it. There's a lot of other things I can be focused on...positive things. Like your new job."

Katie echoes: "Like my new job! Important things...like me!" They laugh and it's kind of a cute moment, but I hope they take this slow (or as slow as this whiplash inducing show is capable of) because otherwise, it will feel so forced and shoehorned in.

Katie says she wants to make an immediate mark and wants to start off with a big promotional event.

Wyatt comes up with what he thinks will be a great idea: "Two words: Spencer Summit." He's referring to the annual event that occurs in Monte Carlo. He shares that anyone who's anyone will be there. 

The idea of what to do in MC comes to them at the same time: "Fashion show!" 

Katie wants to do something different from couture and thinks FC should do a swimwear fashion show. It's an intriguing idea (only less intriguing if "sexy CEO" is the main model.)

Wyatt thinks that could be just the thing to get past the SF debacle and Katie agrees, thanking him for the idea. He tells her he's happy to help in any way he can.

Wyatt: "Being a bachelor, I have a lot of time on my hands, so I would welcome the opportunity to take my mind off of things."

Katie: "I just might take you up on that."

They share smiles...well, we will just have to wait and see.  I'm not sold on Watie just yet.

At the Forrester mansion, Eric has arrived home and is surprised when Sheila knocks on the door.

Eric: "Sheila?"

Sheila: "I know, I told you I was leaving Los Angeles...and I am...but I just needed to see you again, Eric. May I?" He invites her in.

Eric: "Is something wrong?"

Sheila glances around the living room. "Are we alone?"

Eric: "Yes, what of it?"

Sheila: "Well, that's what I'm wondering?" Eric is clearly confused. "I can't leave Los Angeles until I know you're okay."

He insists he's fine and wants to know if something happened to convince her otherwise.

Sheila looks at the portrait of Quinn then back at Eric: "I'm just starting to wonder what you got yourself mixed up in."

Eric doesn't like the direction this conversation is going: "Sheila, I appreciate that you still care after all these years-"

Sheila interrupts: "Oh Eric, I will always care. I have your back, I always will....because you're important to me. I can't even think of someone causing you harm."

She reaches for his hand as he assures her that he's happy, happier than he's ever been in his whole life (somewhere, Stephanie is shrieking in hell). 

Sheila: "I hope Quinn understands how lucky she is. Understands what an honor it is to be in your life. I had that once...and I just wasted it. 

Eric chooses his words carefully: "I appreciate your concern. I'm very happy that you're making progress, I really am, and that you're reaching out and trying to make amends...That's as far as it goes, Sheila. I think it's inappropriate that you should question my marriage."

Sheila: "Oh, Eric...I understand. I didn't mean to make you feel uncomfortable. If you're happy...I'm happy."

Eric: "Good. I wish you well." He ushers her toward the front door, clearly done with this conversation. But Sheila's not.

Halfway to the front door, she turns to him: "If anything should change...and you just want someone to talk to..." She lets the hint dangle. Eric says he'll keep that in mind.

He escorts her out and closes the door behind her. He stares off into space and it's hard to get a read on his expression. I suspect he's not sure what he's feeling right now.

Outside in the courtyard, Sheila walks pasts the fountains and a big ol' statue. How have I not noticed this before?

She turns back to look at the house and smiles, then starts to cross the courtyard when she runs into Quinn.

Let's get ready to rumble....

Sheila smiles: "Oh, hello..."

Quinn is immediately hostile: "Can I help you, Sheila?"

Sheila" "I was just leaving."

Quinn: "Yeah, but what were you doing here?"

Sheila tells her she was visiting Eric and Quinn gets this look of disgust on her face.

Quinn: "No...you don't get to do that. Not when I'm not home."

Sheila: "Excuse me???"

Quinn tells her she doesn't want her husband's ex-wife coming by, unannounced.

Sheila smells BS when she hears it and smiles knowingly at Quinn, happy to play along: "Do you say that to Brooke as well?"

Quinn gives her a sickening sweet smile: "No...just the ex-con ex-wives." Oh no, you did not, Quinn! Any one of her crimes (attempted murder of Ivy, Liam (twice), and Deacon, kidnapping, or sexual assault) would put anyone in the real world behind bars for decades, if not for life. For her to pontificate is beyond ridiculous. Sheila at least served her time while Quinn hasn't served one single day.

Sheila: "Hmm..." She nods and stifles a laugh.

Quinn double-downs: "See, I know Brooke isn't going to poison him or try to shoot him. Yeah..." She shrugs. "I heard all the stories about you."

Sheila: "You don't need to be intimidated by me."

 Quinn: "Oh, I'm not."

Sheila tilts her head, giving her a "sure you aren't" look, adding: "Hmm...seems that way...Interesting."

If Quinn's not, she should be, but I think she is, even though she's doing her best to hide it. As I said before, Quinn read the book on evil. Sheila wrote the book.

Sheila warns in that dangerous near-whisper: of her's "Be a good wife, Quinn. Appreciate him. Know how lucky you are." 

Quinn grabs Sheila by the arm: "You need to go now..."

Sheila jerks her arm loose: "Don't touch me!"

Quinn stares at her. 

Sheila: "You do that again and I swear, I will snap you in two!" 

She purposefully bumps into Quinn's shoulder as she strides away. Quinn turns to watch her, the loathing apparent.

She shakes herself off with a sigh than strides towards the front door.

Sheila is almost to the front gate as the music swells. She looks back behind her and then there's this eerie, shadowy closing shot of her face.

Bring it, Sheila. Bring that bitch to her knees! I hope she is the one to out Quinn's affair with Ridge. Perhaps some video footage at the upcoming Spencer Summit in Monte Carlo so they can be exposed for the whole world to see and leaving Quinn and Ridge with nary a leg to stand on.

Edited June 27, 2017 by CountryGirl

[CountryGirl]

1 hour ago, sugarbaker design said:

Soaps have a long history of taking bad girls and transforming them into classic soap heroines.  I've seen it happen with Raven Whitney, Bobbie Spencer, Karen Wolek, Donna Beck and yes, Rachel Cory.  What all these characters have in common is after all their misdeeds, they all went through a period where they suffered, so the audience could see them atoning for their sins.  Only after this atonement can they transform into heroine status.  This storyline with Sheila will be Quinn's atonement, I believe.  Sheila has always operated long term operations on her enemies (poisoning, gaslighting), her plans for Quinn should be very interesting.

It's almost as if the writers said 'how can we normalize this crazy bitch?' and the answer was 'we get a crazier bitch' with the solution being 'see if Kimberlin Brown is available!'.

I posted about this last week. I despise the soap trope of having an evil, unrepentant, unremorseful character go through some tragedy (the worst is when rape has been used, OLTL's Marty is probably the most egregious example) to magically whitewash their past and turn them into some trumped-up doe-eyed heroine.

Most recently, we've seen it with Quinn and the attempting shootings. When Brooke, a woman Quinn horribly wronged, was expressing sympathy for her and how awful things must have been for her, that sealed the deal as far as her canonization. So she's already been labeled a heroine (if not a saint) at this point. With Deacon sacrificed as the end result. All her crimes forgotten in the wake of someone trying to off her, the poor widdle victim. Nevermind that said offing by Deacon (if it was him) wasn't undeserved. 

I don't want Sheila to suffer the same fate as Deacon and be used as yet another prop for Quinn's sainthood. Any so-called true atonement means that for once in her twisted, evil life, Quinn has to take responsibility for her actions aka own her shit. But she's never done that and why should she when everyone, including her victims, so easily hand-waves everything away. Quinn's redemption and atonement needs to come from her own actions, what she does, not what others do to her. 

I want her affair with Ridge outed, by Sheila, by anyone, and for Eric to toss her to the curb. It's the least she deserves after everything she does. I am not here to have what she does get lost in targeting Sheila and where the blame for ruining Quinn's marriage shifts from the deserving parties (Quinn and Ridge) to someone else. 

[ByTor]

25 minutes ago, CountryGirl said:

Steffy and Liam are spending the day at a spa and I am not recapping this shit. Truth be told, I FF through their scenes which were a blur of white robes, lounge chairs, and lots of canoodling. Yawn...

IMO those spa/cabana scenes were the most chemistry-free scenes I have ever seen between these two.  Not like this matters, but would they make up their minds as to whether Liam is vegan?  I know vegan creme brulee exists, but I don't see it as likely to be on a menu.

4 minutes ago, CountryGirl said:

Quinn has to take responsibility for her actions aka own her shit. But she's never done that and why should she when everyone, including her victims, so easily hand-waves everything away.

Even Steffy...STEFFY...has backed off.

[tessaray]

55 minutes ago, CountryGirl said:

I don't want Sheila to suffer the same fate as Deacon and be used as yet another prop for Quinn's sainthood. Any so-called true atonement means that for once in her twisted, evil life, Quinn has to take responsibility for her actions aka own her shit. But she's never done that and why should she when everyone, including her victims, so easily hand-waves everything away. Quinn's redemption and atonement needs to come from her own actions, what she does, not what others do to her. 

 

I agree.  I think that until now, Quinn hasn't paid because the people she's wronged care about Wyatt more than they've wanted justice for themselves.  If Wyatt wasn't there or her adversary didn't care about Wyatt, I don't think there would be any hand-waving.  I'm torn, because I like the character of Quinn, despite her past and if they tear her down too much more I can't see her coming back from it.  The thing with Ridge has left a bad taste, because I wanted to believe that her marriage to Eric really did give her the emotional balance she'd never had. But without having paid for anything, it's a rotten foundation to build on. 

Honestly, Mac and Rachel was my favorite soap couple of all time and I really thought Quinn and Eric had a chance to get close to that but my hopes are fading fast. 

ETA: I hate to say it but the only thing I can see making Quinn actually get it, is if something happened to Wyatt.  That could be great drama, if Wyatt was hurt in a trap Quinn laid for Sheila. It doesn't seem like the kind of story these writers would do though.

Edited June 27, 2017 by tessaray

[TobinAlbers]

2 hours ago, sugarbaker design said:

Soaps have a long history of taking bad girls and transforming them into classic soap heroines.  I've seen it happen with Raven Whitney, Bobbie Spencer, Karen Wolek, Donna Beck and yes, Rachel Cory.  What all these characters have in common is after all their misdeeds, they all went through a period where they suffered, so the audience could see them atoning for their sins.  Only after this atonement can they transform into heroine status.  This storyline with Sheila will be Quinn's atonement, I believe.  Sheila has always operated long term operations on her enemies (poisoning, gaslighting), her plans for Quinn should be very interesting.

It's almost as if the writers said 'how can we normalize this crazy bitch?' and the answer was 'we get a crazier bitch' with the solution being 'see if Kimberlin Brown is available!'.

Hell, even Todd on OLTL and Sonny on GH went to prison for a bit for penance before conveniently being in position to save someone and get a pardon for good behavior. Prison is the end of a villain's story, but it's the beginning of someone looking for redemption. 

I LOATHED Todd Manning and in many ways still do but I respected the hell out of the story that told of his struggle for redemption or at least being able to find a way to live with himself once he recognized the magnitude of devastation he committed against Marty. Todd was never fully accepted by all of Llanview but it was recognized that even he wasn't completely irredeemable and you could even dare I say root for him at least regarding his daughter Starr and complicated love for Blair. This was a man who never would truly believe that he deserved happiness and always self-sabotage, but had a few guiding lights trying to deter him from continually going to that dark place.

Quinn's story has a lot of beats similar to Todd's and has as skilled an actor playing the role, but the writers simply don't have the patience to write Quinn's reformation as it should be. Instead they skipped over that rock bottom struggling period and she was pretty much launched straight into Eric's warm waiting arms where they lucked into Queric having the chemistry and building a following in record time so that it seemed storywise that captive cabin Quinn was years ago when in actuality Quinn was only a mere four months out from having held Liam/Adam hostage, swearing her love for him, and trying to off Deacon.

Also for me Quinn's redemption should be about righting things with those that she wronged and/or her just deserts dished back to her from someone she harmed.  Her karma coming from Sheila may be fun to see Sheila get her groove on, but it's doesn't have that nice beat of it being personal. A family member of the guy it's alluded to that she killed would've been a perfect since they took Liam's balls away, Ivy inexplicably is kissing her ass, and Hope said deuces to everyone for Paris.  If the guy had a daughter who came to town Emily Thorne of Revenge style to take down Quinn  THAT I could've gotten behind. Or hell just bring Hope back as a wolf in sheep's clothing and secretly a bit off her rocker having never recovered from the loss of her child and blaming Quinn and have HER play at Emily Thorne, seducing Wyatt back to undermine his relationship with Quinn, secretly mounting a hostile takeover of Fuller Designs, gathering dirt on her and Ridge to spring at the right time, and determining just how far she wants to take her revenge. Maybe she alternates between blaming Wyatt and seeing him as a victim that she needs to help free.

[ByTor]

Good idea about Hope.  Plus, despite their rocky relationship, there is also the fact that Quinn tried to kill her father.

Come to think of it,  I wonder if anybody bothered to tell Hope that Deacon shot Quinn.

Edited June 27, 2017 by ByTor

[sugarbaker design]

15 minutes ago, TobinAlbers said:

I LOATHED Todd Manning and in many ways still do but I respected the hell out of the story that told of his struggle for redemption or at least being able to find a way to live with himself once he recognized the magnitude of devastation he committed against Marty. Todd was never fully accepted by all of Llanview but it was recognized that even he wasn't completely irredeemable and you could even dare I say root for him at least regarding his daughter Starr and complicated love for Blair. This was a man who never would truly believe that he deserved happiness and always self-sabotage, but had a few guiding lights trying to deter him from continually going to that dark place.

Loved this redemption arc, OLTL knew how to write it back in the day.

 

16 minutes ago, TobinAlbers said:

Also for me Quinn's redemption should be about righting things with those that she wronged and/or her just deserts dished back to her from someone she harmed. 

I agree, the B&B writers could easily have Quinn save Liam or Ivy from some impending disaster.

[TobinAlbers]

1 minute ago, sugarbaker design said:

I agree, the B&B writers could easily have Quinn save Liam or Ivy from some impending disaster.

I don't think I could take Liam being put at Quinn's mercy again for him to have to thank her for anything, LOL.  She's done enough to him that he should never be in her debt. Although that did work for when Todd had to save Marty from her car accident. You could feel her fear and repulsion in having to touch him for any reason across the television screen.

But I'd prefer the flip of that, Quinn is on the ropes and she realizes that Liam is her only hope and she also realizes that Liam has every reason to just let her burn. Basically he does for her what she should have done for him back when he collapses. But since Ridge is Captain Save a Quinn these days, I don't see that happening.

9 minutes ago, ByTor said:

Good idea about Hope.  Plus, despite their rocky relationship, there is also the fact that Quinn tried to kill her father.

Come to think of it,  I wonder if anybody bothered to tell Hope that Deacon shot Quinn.

Yeah, Hope is the only one on screen that would care about Deacon and light into Quinn for marrying him, dumping him, and trying to kill him.

It really would be hilarious for part of Hope's reasoning to avenge Deacon since he has no one in his corner. Sharpe genes activate!

Happy for Kim Matula that she's firmly in primetime, but I gotta say I wouldn't mind her playing this story and using Hope's haughty smugface for evil instead of for good.

[CountryGirl]

1 minute ago, ByTor said:

Good idea about Hope.  Plus, despite their rocky relationship, there is also the fact that Quinn tried to kill her father.

 I wonder if anybody bothered to tell Hope that Deacon shot Quinn.

Why would they? Even if they believed him, they clearly didn't care. It's just Deacon. (insert eyeroll)

18 minutes ago, TobinAlbers said:

Hell, even Todd on OLTL and Sonny on GH went to prison for a bit for penance before conveniently being in position to save someone and get a pardon for good behavior. Prison is the end of a villain's story, but it's the beginning of someone looking for redemption. 

Another good example is Jack Deveraux on DOOL. When Patch learned that Jack had raped Kayla, he threw him off a rooftop and Jack nearly died. Due to a plea bargain, he never went to prison, but he was the town pariah for years (not unlike Todd). Later, when he fell for Jennifer, she was raped by Lawrence and it was chickens coming home to roost like never before. During the rape trial, Jennifer was on the stand and relaying how she told Lawrence to stop, we could see Jack feeling her pain but also thinking back to when Kayla told him to stop...and he didn't.  When the defense attorney attacked her and asked if she thinks rape is so awful, why is she with Jack and his expression of self-loathing. When Jack left the courtroom and Kayla, the woman he had raped and so deeply hurt,  charged after him not to comfort him, but to confront and challenge him. Jen's trial made him see exactly what he had done to Kayla - not just hte rape, which was horrific enough, but the aftermath - the trial, the publicity, her character being called into question and dragged through the mud. He tries to apologize but she's having none of it. Kayla doesn't offer any absolution or forgiveness and tells him she couldn't have gotten through it without Patch. And she tells him that he needs to be there for Jennifer because no matter how painful this is for him, it isn't about him. It's about her. 

No white-washing, no insta-forgiveness, no hand-waving. 

And that's exactly what I want to see with Quinn. Anything less does a disservice to her victims and, quite frankly, the character.

[ByTor]

4 minutes ago, TobinAlbers said:

Happy for Kim Matula that she's firmly in primetime, but I gotta say I wouldn't mind her playing this story and using Hope's haughty smugface for evil instead of for good.

Honestly I'm not opposed to a recast (as long as she has a haughty smugface :) ), I really this this show needs Hope to come back.

[sugarbaker design]

3 minutes ago, TobinAlbers said:

13 minutes ago, sugarbaker design said:

I agree, the B&B writers could easily have Quinn save Liam or Ivy from some impending disaster.

I don't think I could take Liam being put at Quinn's mercy again for him to have to thank her for anything, LOL. 

I didn't mention anything at all about Liam being put at Quinn's mercy, nor did I mention ever Liam thanking Quinn for anything.  I was envisioning Quinn circumventing some plot development that could endanger Liam and/or Ivy.  Liam or Ivy wouldn't have to know about it.  Humility and selflessness are two qualities that could endear Quinn to the TV audience.

[Waldo13]

Once again I have to say how gross I find any romantic relationship between Coco and RJ gross. It's like a teacher having sex with an underage student. What happen to Forester intern relationships. Didn't Thomas get chastised for his interactions with interns.  Coco is not a fantastic actress but she as acted down to RJ's level and has adopted his slouchy posture.  

I guess I was right about Katie taking Wyatt's ideas and pitching as her own but all in all Wyatt doesn't seem to mind. Now if there is a relationship between Katie and Wyatt, I'm not being hypocritical by saying I'm for it. Katie and Wyatt are adults not children thinking they are adults. 

That's right everyone, gang up on Nicole. It's not that I don't like Nicole, it's just the things she does. I blame Rick and Maya the most since their intentions where completely selfish and they bullied Nicole into acting as the surrogate.  Even now they don't even give 2 shits about Nicole's state of mind.  

[bannana]

Yeah, as much as Nicole is a zombie, she is a confused and torn zombie.  They should not be ganging up on her.  They should be enlisting a mediator.

[Gam2]

Whatever. I'm just beyond done with this stupid story of Nicole, Maya, Rick, Zende, etc. Although I have to say, Zende has stepped up his game for the first time ever. I think he'll convince Nicole to sign the papers finally. And take her away from LA to somewhere where we never have to see either one of them ever again. Good for Vivian for barging in and calling Julius out on his bullying of Nicole. As much as I've liked Vivian's and Julius' acting abilities, they've really been a "no never mind", as my sister used to say. That means not important, not worth my attention or worry or that will disappear as something important in my life very soon. We say that a lot in my family and hope it makes some sense to all of you. Let's move on, folks. Done with this. 

[nasir jones]

2 hours ago, bannana said:

Yeah, as much as Nicole is a zombie, she is a confused and torn zombie.  They should not be ganging up on her.  They should be enlisting a mediator.

The problem with that idea is "mediating" implies that both sides of this dispute have some ground to stand on.  Nicole doesn't.  Whatever Rick and Maya's faults are, they're Lizzie's parents and have been so since the child's birth.  We've never seen a hint that Maya and Rick would keep Nicole from seeing the child, even during the foolishness of their trip to Paris.   So what is left to be "mediated"?  Doing so would only give Nicole rights/status that she doesn't really deserve.  While Nicole could certainly use some counseling, bringing in a third party doesn't seem helpful IMO. 

 

2 hours ago, Waldo13 said:

That's right everyone, gang up on Nicole. It's not that I don't like Nicole, it's just the things she does. I blame Rick and Maya the most since their intentions where completely selfish and they bullied Nicole into acting as the surrogate.  Even now they don't even give 2 shits about Nicole's state of mind.  

There's no reason to think they wouldn't care about her state of mind if she wasn't withholding her signature, thus creating major uncertainty and fear for the parents.   I blame Julius the most because it's crystal clear his priority here is just hatred for Maya.  The actual child is just a football to be used against Maya for the purpose of revenge for not being Myron.  Heck, the buffoon didn't even remember that Rick is the child's father when he said she should be raised by Nicole and Zende.    All of the parties involved are being selfish, with the exception of Vivian. 

Is the show going there with Wyatt and Katie?  Yech.  I'd rather see RJ and Coco make sweet, uncoordinated, elbowy love (not really).  I think I hate Wyatt's hair as much as Nicole's wig. 

[ByTor]

1 hour ago, nasir jones said:

Is the show going there with Wyatt and Katie?  Yech.

I'm right with you here!

[ByaNose]

46 minutes ago, ByTor said:

I'm right with you here!

Well, Brooke slept with the Forrester men so I guess Katie is going to do the Spencer men. I always thought Tom and great acting chemistry with both Brooks & Clifton. Katie liked that they weren't Bill and she could tale to them like they were humans. That doesn't mean I want her having sex with them. Katie needs a man. Not two boys. 

[Anna Yolei]

22 hours ago, APSimpson said:

I am liking the Wyatt/Katie thing, the two could use some happiness.

If nothing else, this seems to have put the kibash on the Katie/Eric bullshit they were trying to pedal four months ago. Even if the pairing turns into crap (which is pretty much a guarantee on this show), its got points for not being Eric/Katie.

[Anna Yolei]

4 hours ago, ByaNose said:

Well, Brooke slept with the Forrester men so I guess Katie is going to do the Spencer men. I always thought Tom and great acting chemistry with both Brooks & Clifton. Katie liked that they weren't Bill and she could tale to them like they were humans. That doesn't mean I want her having sex with them. Katie needs a man. Not two boys. 

All that in the previous post being said, I agree with the last two sentences. I slightly prefer Katie/Liam for the benefit of seeing Steffy getting kicked to the curb yet again, but ultimately, I'd rather not see another Logan completing a trifecta. I mean, it's Heather Tom FFS. Send Charlie packing and you'll have money to pay another actor to play off of her.

[TobinAlbers]

30 minutes ago, Anna Yolei said:

If nothing else, this seems to have put the kibash on the Katie/Eric bullshit they were trying to pedal four months ago. Even if the pairing turns into crap (which is pretty much a guarantee on this show), its got points for not being Eric/Katie.

Katie tapping her ex-husband's adult son's ass is right in line with Brooke's flirtations with Thomas, Taylor and Rick hitting the sheets, and Steffy completing the Spencer trifecta. At least she hadn't changed his diapers or raised him/been a parental figure for any part of his childhood. Quinn is firmly and unequivocally Wyatt's mother so he ain't looking for a mother figure. Hopefully this union will bring lift back to Wyatt's lifeless hair.

I'm intrigued to see the reactions of everyone to this. Bill didn't have a problem with both sons going where he didn't in boinking and marrying Steffy, but with Katie there is the issue of Will undoubtedly being confused about why Mommy and his brother are smooching which I can see Bill addressing. Someone should bring up the angle of this possibly being a way for both Katie and Wyatt to get back at Bill (Katie's motivation being her bitterness over the Brill affairs and Brooke winning; Wyatt passive aggressively lashing out over Bill's favoring of Liam). I'm thinking Brooke will bring up the that angle with Katie and Liam will bring up that angle with Wyatt.

Watie does have a losers in love/us against the world thing going for them. The thing to see is if they have longevity or will flame out like Taylor and Rick.

[TobinAlbers]

10 hours ago, Anna Yolei said:

I slightly prefer Katie/Liam for the benefit of seeing Steffy getting kicked to the curb yet again, but ultimately, I'd rather not see another Logan completing a trifecta. I mean, it's Heather Tom FFS. Send Charlie packing and you'll have money to pay another actor to play off of her.

Last summer with Liam being the intermediary between alcoholic spiraling Katie and Bill as well as trying to recover from captive cabin and having issues with Bill handing Liam's life over to Wyatt with his blessing while trying to nail Brooke on the side, it did seem like they were setting up a similar losers in love/save each other romance with Liam and Katie. Especially when Bill was threatening to take Will away from Katie. It was Taylor/Rick, Nick, and Brooke all over again.  My gut tells me that the writers feel like it's a line Liam could not cross without it permanently damaging the Bill and Liam father/son bond which is one of the best things on the show. Bill isn't as close to Wyatt, so he can make this 'mistake'. It might actually finally lead to Wyatt and Bill getting a true proper father/son story that's about them and independent of Liam for the most part. Brooke could be the one to play the role of unifier for them the way Katie did for Liam and Bill. 

Edited June 28, 2017 by TobinAlbers

[ByTor]

8 hours ago, ByaNose said:

That doesn't mean I want her having sex with them. Katie needs a man. Not two boys. 

Exactly!

[Waldo13]

11 hours ago, ByaNose said:

Well, Brooke slept with the Forrester men so I guess Katie is going to do the Spencer men. I always thought Tom and great acting chemistry with both Brooks & Clifton. Katie liked that they weren't Bill and she could tale to them like they were humans. That doesn't mean I want her having sex with them. Katie needs a man. Not two boys. 

I'm not so sure about Katie needing a man. Bill might be a one trick pony or should I say Stallion but Wyatt is a youthful more energetic Colt.  Let's say that Katie could teach Wyatt a thing or two that will cure his love pangs for Steffy and Wyatt can apply what Katie has taught him multiple times.  

[nkotb]

16 hours ago, bannana said:

Yeah, as much as Nicole is a zombie, she is a confused and torn zombie.  They should not be ganging up on her.  They should be enlisting a mediator.

When I was watching yesterday, I was thinking that this storyline isn't the worst they've ever had, but RE is not an actor that should be in a front-burner storyline like this. TPTB made an awesome decision, though, to make the main people "acting", be  Julius, Maya, Vivian (finally, yesterday), Rick, & shockingly, Zende, who has way stepped-up his game, while all RE has to do is get tears in her eyes & look forlorn. I seriously don't think she's said more than 30 words since this began, & I'm not exaggerating. 

I've said it before, but I'll say it again, TPTB, please redeem Julius. OB is so amazingly good, he makes everyone around him step up their games (save for RE in this storyline). Whatever you have to do to redeem him, do it, this show desperately needs him.

[CountryGirl]

48 minutes ago, Waldo13 said:

I'm not so sure about Katie needing a man. Bill might be a one trick pony or should I say Stallion but Wyatt is a youthful more energetic Colt.  Let's say that Katie could teach Wyatt a thing or two that will cure his love pangs for Steffy and Wyatt can apply what Katie has taught him multiple times.  

It's an interesting point. Maybe Katie needs a boy she can train.

[OhioSongbird]

As cute as I find SC (he reminds me of my brother) I'd rather school DB.  I have a feeling he'd be a better *ahem* student.....

Is this the end of Deacon?  Poor SK.  I really like him as an actor but he got really shafted on GH and B&B only drags him out of mothballs once in awhile.  Sad really.

[MulletorHater]

2 hours ago, Waldo13 said:

I'm not so sure about Katie needing a man. Bill might be a one trick pony or should I say Stallion but Wyatt is a youthful more energetic Colt.  Let's say that Katie could teach Wyatt a thing or two that will cure his love pangs for Steffy and Wyatt can apply what Katie has taught him multiple times.  

As an added bonus, Wyatt doesn't appear to need "fixing," and maybe Katie will be able to accept him as he is.  Although, the idea of having St. Quinn of the Crazy Eyes hovering about like a helicopter mom should be a strong deterrent to any woman with 2 brain cells to rub together.  Maybe she can talk to Brooke on how to deal with overbearing, controlling mothers who "only want what's best" for their favorite sons and go crazy because some woman from the Valley "stole" him from her.

What I can't wrap my mind around is the idea that Wyatt isn't quite over Stuffy.  WHUH?!  See, Brad & Co., y'all need to cease with this bullshit quick, fast and in a hurry.  It's hard to believe that they are still trying to make "Stuffy--the Femme Fatale" happen.  

[ByTor]

I just realized, Wyatt is right up Katie's alley, as he was married to her niece.

[MulletorHater]

On 6/27/2017 at 11:37 AM, CountryGirl said:

I posted about this last week. I despise the soap trope of having an evil, unrepentant, unremorseful character go through some tragedy (the worst is when rape has been used, OLTL's Marty is probably the most egregious example) to magically whitewash their past and turn them into some trumped-up doe-eyed heroine.

Most recently, we've seen it with Quinn and the attempting shootings. When Brooke, a woman Quinn horribly wronged, was expressing sympathy for her and how awful things must have been for her, that sealed the deal as far as her canonization. So she's already been labeled a heroine (if not a saint) at this point. With Deacon sacrificed as the end result. All her crimes forgotten in the wake of someone trying to off her, the poor widdle victim. Nevermind that said offing by Deacon (if it was him) wasn't undeserved. 

I don't want Sheila to suffer the same fate as Deacon and be used as yet another prop for Quinn's sainthood. Any so-called true atonement means that for once in her twisted, evil life, Quinn has to take responsibility for her actions aka own her shit. But she's never done that and why should she when everyone, including her victims, so easily hand-waves everything away. Quinn's redemption and atonement needs to come from her own actions, what she does, not what others do to her. 

I want her affair with Ridge outed, by Sheila, by anyone, and for Eric to toss her to the curb. It's the least she deserves after everything she does. I am not here to have what she does get lost in targeting Sheila and where the blame for ruining Quinn's marriage shifts from the deserving parties (Quinn and Ridge) to someone else. 

That's why as much of a right bastard as Bill is, I fully appreciate his keeping it real where his feelings about Quinn are concerned.  I love that he refuses to bite his tongue when discussing her, not even bother to spare Wyatt's feelings.  "I hear what you're saying, son, but I don't hate your mother--not as much as I used to."

Thanks, $Bill, for being a SOB at a time when it's sorely needed.

[Anna Yolei]

9 hours ago, TobinAlbers said:

Brooke's flirtations with Thomas

IIRC, that was one-sided and that was *all* Thomas. Brooke was happily married to Ridge and up until the Adam Gregory recast, Thomas could barely tolerate her existence, and Brooke was horrified when she thought they'd slept together while high on boinkberries (which he lied about to get stock from Stephanie and push his parents back together).

But I agree with the sentiment.

10 hours ago, TobinAlbers said:

Watie does have a losers in love/us against the world thing going for them. The thing to see is if they have longevity or will flame out like Taylor and Rick.

I'm still pissed that TIIC didn't go think fucking route before wasting Rick on barely legal Phoebe. As if Taylor needed more reason to look like a complete hypocrite  (she still had the nerve to throw Deacon in Brooke's face AFTER Phoebe died, indirectly from her affair with Rick!), but having Brooke as her mother-in-law could've gotten some hilarious mileage.

43 minutes ago, ByTor said:

 

I just realized, Wyatt is right up Katie's alley, as he was married to her niece.

 

And Katie got pregnant by and nearly married the husband of her other niece, who was Hope's stepmother for all of two weeks till she got divorced/annulled from Deacon.

I love this fucked up show! ?

[ByTor]

1 minute ago, Anna Yolei said:

IIRC, that was one-sided and that was *all* Thomas.

Not that I'm saying I'm right, but I remembered it this way as well.

[politichick]

Why on earth do you people want to see Katie with Wyatt or Liam? I'm praying all of this incestuous bullshit is in the process of being put to rest. Why not call for them to bring in some new eligible man that no one on the canvas has fucked? And a young woman for Wyatt whom his brother hasn't been with first? Katie does not need to be screwing around with her ex-husband's son(s) even if he's married to her sister. Enough already!

[ByTor]

3 minutes ago, Anna Yolei said:

And Katie got pregnant by and nearly married the husband of her other niece,

Hence the "right up her alley" part :)

Just now, politichick said:

Why on earth do you people want to see Katie with Wyatt or Liam? I'm praying all of this incestuous bullshit is in the process of being put to rest. Why not call for them to bring in some new eligible man that no one on the canvas has fucked? And a young woman for Wyatt whom his brother hasn't been with first? Katie does not need to be screwing around with her ex-husband's son(s) even if he's married to her sister. Enough already!

ALL this.

[Anna Yolei]

29 minutes ago, MulletorHater said:

That's why as much of a right bastard as Bill is, I fully appreciate his keeping it real where his feelings about Quinn are concerned.  

Also, this.

Two wrongs don't make a right and Sheila wasn't shooting at her six months ago as she crammed her tongue down Ridge's throat.

And I think the rumor of Wyatt still in love with Steffy will come into play when it all comes out. Not that Quinn was ever responsible for that threadbare excuse for Steffy leaving him, but Wyatt did stick his neck out to support Queric at the expense of Steffy leaving for good.

4 minutes ago, politichick said:

Why on earth do you people want to see Katie with Wyatt or Liam? I'm praying all of this incestuous bullshit is in the process of being put to rest. Why not call for them to bring in some new eligible man that no one on the canvas has fucked? And a young woman for Wyatt whom his brother hasn't been with first? Katie does not need to be screwing around with her ex-husband's son(s) even if he's married to her sister. Enough already!

I can only speak for myself when I say I'd rather see her with Wyatt than Eric by a huge margin. But if I had a choice I'd want her to date someone outside the Spencer family entirely.

[TobinAlbers]

Just now, politichick said:

Why on earth do you people want to see Katie with Wyatt or Liam? I'm praying all of this incestuous bullshit is in the process of being put to rest. Why not call for them to bring in some new eligible man that no one on the canvas has fucked? And a young woman for Wyatt whom his brother hasn't been with first? Katie does not need to be screwing around with her ex-husband's son(s) even if he's married to her sister. Enough already!

My first choice would always be for there to be less incest and fresh prospects for characters so we can avoid double and triple dipping for a character in the same family pool. Wyatt and Ivy should be having hot Forrester desk sex or borrowing Bill's affair room but the show isn't going there.  DB and HT are high enough caliber actors that hell yeah they should have a love interests brought in for them.

But a) soaps have serious budget considerations where they sometimes have to work with what they have in terms of the actors on canvas and b) so wrong it's right (or not right but still hot) unions are a soap's bread and butter.  Watie in real life would be gross for sure, but I'm willing to see where it goes because it at least gives the two actors something to do, doesn't have Wyatt in competition with Liam or Katie in competition with Brooke, and the meaty conflict (if the show decides to acknowledge it) of Bill and Quinn's reactions.

[MulletorHater]

11 minutes ago, TobinAlbers said:

My first choice would always be for there to be less incest and fresh prospects for characters so we can avoid double and triple dipping for a character in the same family pool. Wyatt and Ivy should be having hot Forrester desk sex or borrowing Bill's affair room but the show isn't going there.  DB and HT are high enough caliber actors that hell yeah they should have a love interests brought in for them.

But a) soaps have serious budget considerations where they sometimes have to work with what they have in terms of the actors on canvas and b) so wrong it's right (or not right but still hot) unions are a soap's bread and butter.  Watie in real life would be gross for sure, but I'm willing to see where it goes because it at least gives the two actors something to do, doesn't have Wyatt in competition with Liam or Katie in competition with Brooke, and the meaty conflict (if the show decides to acknowledge it) of Bill and Quinn's reactions.

That's why I still maintain that TK should have been brought on as another character instead of being brought on as a recast for a role that was inhabited by the same actor for over 2 decades.  Storyline-wise, I get that the writers felt that Brooke needed to be "punished" by having not-really-Ridge and Katie fall into a revengemance.  But, once the novelty wore off, the thrill was gone.  Nor, did it help that the pairing didn't take off despite TK and HT being soap royalty.  Outside of their anger and butthurt about Brill, the couple had nothing else going for them.

I also noticed that when he was first brought on, storylines stalled because TK didn't tape a lot (2 weeks here; 2 weeks off) to accommodate his commute back and forth between L.A. and Connecticut where his family lives.  That could have been easily written into the scripts, with his character being written as a businessman, who had numerous interests that required him to fly back East frequently.  That way Katie could have been in a storyline where she and her love interest were grappling with the challenges of a long-distance relationship.  Even now, after all this time, I find it difficult to accept TK in the role.  Sometimes, I find myself watching and saying, "But--that's NOT Ridge," especially when the character calls Brooke, "Logan," which has a hollow ring.

On another note, does anyone else think that something may have happened to Sheila in prison that resulted in her having an aversion to being bumped from behind or touched in a hostile way?  First, at the restaurant, where her countenance changed at the drop of a dime when someone accidentally bumped into her.  And, then with Quinn putting her hands on her at the house.   I'm surprised that Quinn didn't turn into a pillar of salt after receiving that death glare from Sheila.