B&B: What's Up Today at Forrester Creations? - Daily Chat

[ch1]

I need someone to explain to me like I'm a two year old why Deacon is still around. I have never seen such stupid use of a character.  None of it makes sense.  What the hell was that mess yesterday?  I have no idea what is supposed to be going on.  I'm also wondering what is keeping SK around.  Is the crap they give him worth it?  It can't be the paycheck since he's barely on.

Also, even if I liked Quinn no way would I get invested in Quinn and Eric.  Two minutes ago she was up Liam's ass and now its Liam who?  Give it a few weeks and its going to be Eric who.

[KerleyQ]

To be clear, I wasn't speaking about stability behind the scenes, but that they likely pay their bills on time, aren't shafting buyers or vendors.  And I just don't see this "controversy" as a deal breaker for most consumers, especially if they get a sanitized version of the truth (which is, at most, all anyone outside the family is entitled to).  

And for Rick, specifically, to moan and bitch about the "controversy" being a danger to the company is rich.  It wasn't exactly long ago that he was the CEO, wandering the halls with a gun, taking shots at his estranged wife and his brother.  And he had already moved a new woman into his bedroom.  As a consumer, I wouldn't give a shit over the romantic entanglements of the company or a paternity mess, but I'd definitely have to reconsider continuing to buy products from a CEO who was recklessly discharging a firearm because he's pissed over the demise of his marriage.  

As for them lying to the media, nobody outside the family is entitled to any information about how Douglas was conceived.  Unless Ridge held a press conference to declare the wonders of a new Forrester product, guaranteed to reverse the effects of a vasectomy, touting his fathering Douglas as proof it works, what's the lie?  He is Douglas's father.  Thomas is his biological father, but Ridge is also his father, as the man who was married to Caroline when Douglas was born.  And he intended right from the start to raise him.  Any buyers, vendors, or consumers who expect that Ridge should have volunteered the information behind the conception, publicly shaming his wife and son and leaving an innocent child open to the level of scrutiny that story being public would involve is just being ridiculous.  

[CompltelySweet]

On July 13, 2016 at 2:40 PM, Cupid Stunt said:

I don't know ... Scandal is a relative term on B&B, mostly a matter of expediency and convenience ... Gotta' dig yourself out of badly re-written SL somehow. Blow everything up, scrum for leadership at FC, and shuffle the couples ... Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

In this particular case, Doug's paternity was used as a Forrester Creation PR event for an Eye on Fashion interview with Ridge, Caroline and newborn Doug. TIIC write Show as if the daily goings-on at FC are a regular thing covered by the media, so we can only speculate how far and wide that interview went in the imaginary media portrayed on B&B (Kim Kardashian Adjusting Underwire Bra big? No, but perhaps Kirsten Dunst Grocery Shopping At Whole Foods notable, and that day-in-the-life photo goes everywhere on the wire services).

Ridge and Caroline lied to the press, their families, FC employees, vendors and buyers -- And that becomes the issue for the company. Because of the deception, some people may feel the leadership of FC is untrustworthy and want certain monetary guarantees to continue doing business. Vendors could demand full payment with an order, the bank could refuse to loan money or change the payment rate, buyers could drop or reduce the FC line from their stores, and FC store lease negotiations could be declined. There could be a backlash with long-time customers, cutting deeper into the bottom line of the company, while fixed expenses continue to bleed out cash, and unsold stock is shuttled into expensive storage looking for a secondary marketer. Future season production would have to be cut back, employees laid off, and the almighty stockholders will have to tighten their belts.

Ridge is an idiot to suggest he can control the media from turning this into a sideshow; he's been a failure at keeping Doug's paternity a secret in a labyrinth of convoluted lies and emotional missteps, and he won't be able to stop the media from finding out every salacious detail of Doug's conception. Depending how FC handles Doug's paternity issue (calmly staging a leadership change to focus on design, or puff up your sagging chest and dare the gossip mill to throw back-handed insults at my family or FC -- Challenge Accepted!) the damage can be Kim Kardashian big or Kirsten Dunst notable.

Much of this rests on Ridge nursing his wounded privilege and pride, and taking his lumps for being a egotistical bore without evidence to support Doug's presumed paternity. Rick has his ambition and family to keep him warm; he has business acumen, but has demonstrated his difficulties with directing family members prejudicially at FC; I could see him burning Ridge because he doesn't get back the CEO position. Steffy isn't a business force to be reckoned with if Spencer Publications is selling her as a vacuous Wear All The Trends! Instagram/Twitter/FB/armparty-wearing Celebutard (And with her Remember Us seashell and Liam on a tirade, Steffy's taking the long walk to filing divorce papers on Wyatt by September) -- Get serious! Brooke rarely darkens the door of FC, and she's at the beginning of her own Scandal! with Katie and $Bill.

Eric should return as CEO and redefine the job to his liking, as Quinn suggested today. Delegate, redefine and redistribute work to the other executive positions, hire from within or from outside, and sweep the joint out with a new broom.

Wow. Awesome post. They have the bones for a great storyline there; I liked how you flushed it out!

[TobinAlbers]

50 minutes ago, KerleyQ said:

And for Rick, specifically, to moan and bitch about the "controversy" being a danger to the company is rich.  It wasn't exactly long ago that he was the CEO, wandering the halls with a gun, taking shots at his estranged wife and his brother.

The way this should've gone is that the bullet went through the wall to hit someone else - Aly, Maya, Pam, some random employee - where Rick (and Brooke and Eric) couldn't just wave it off and there would be lasting repercussions for Rick where he couldn't have whined his way out of it.  It would've definitely have been a scandal that they would have to do damage control over.

Had Aly been hit/hurt, Thorne, Eric, and Oliver would've been all over Rick's ass with Pam bringing up the rear ready to shove some poisoned lemon bars down Rick's throat. It would've made the battle lines clear and Rick would have to shut up anytime Aly or anyone brought up that Uncle Rick shot his own niece in a fit of jealous rage. 

[Anna Yolei]

That actually would have been a far more effective way to kill off Aly, actually. Tie it in to the circumstances that led to Phoebe's death (him trying to get between Steffy and Marcus to spite Ridge) and THAT jogs his memories of the Grant Chambers shooting. If it led to some kind of lasting truce and real character change in Rick, that would've been more palpable as her being another sacrifice to the Steffy/Liam alter.

[KerleyQ]

1 hour ago, Anna Yolei said:

That actually would have been a far more effective way to kill off Aly, actually. Tie it in to the circumstances that led to Phoebe's death (him trying to get between Steffy and Marcus to spite Ridge) and THAT jogs his memories of the Grant Chambers shooting. If it led to some kind of lasting truce and real character change in Rick, that would've been more palpable as her being another sacrifice to the Steffy/Liam alter.

Especially since her death, as written, really didn't have any real lingering consequences.  Ivy taunted Steffy over it for a little while, but Liam and Wyatt fell all over themselves trying to cover for her, and it just led to Ivy's exit.  

[Anna Yolei]

One thing I forgot to mention about the Spencers yesterday: I'm glad Liam said what we were all thinking. His own butthurt about Steffy aside, all of Katie's "psychosis" lie with Bill and Brooke.

This is well beyond the Taylor/Jack situation where Nick had a deep down affection for Brooke that he absolutely did not act on and was first in line to kick Brooke out the house when she too became a buttsinki.  Bill actively did not give a fuck about Katie. He wanted his cake and to eat it, too and has been a level of coward that I've never seen out of Liam the human jellyfish of all people. And now she's mentally incompetent? Fuck him.

And as for Chickenhead playing Mini-me to Bill...over the top, much? Wyatt was already more Bill than Liam ever could be, but he can be his own person, show :/

[Gudzilla]

In Soviet Union disguise wears you.

[Waldo13]

Yes Steffy, any woman but Quinn. I'm hoping that Eric just fesses up to his involvement with Quinn and Steffy eats 4 and 20 blackbirds baked into her humble pie. 

I was for Steffy and Wyatt, but let her go back to a boring life with Liam. Wyatt deserve it because he is becoming as pompus as Bill.  Are you friggin kidding me; Spencer Summit?  That is as stupid as Quinn in man's clothes going to see Eric. Bill's ego knows no bounds as Quinn's capacity to be OCD. 

[ByTor]

I enjoyed Bill's comment to Liam about how he tends to be "depressing."  Not to mention stupid...he REALLY thinks Wyatt had to force Steffy into getting in "look at meeeeee" mode on social media???  And if he truly feels this is all too "shallow," perhaps he really should get out of the fashion industry.  

[Anna Yolei]

Edit to Waldo: Does that mean that if and when Eric finds his way back to Brooke or Donna that Steffy will keep her mouth shut about evil Logans and all that rubbish? 

 

 

 

 

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Hey, I can dream, can't i? ;)

Edited July 16, 2016 by Anna Yolei

[Anna Yolei]

5 minutes ago, ByTor said:

I enjoyed Bill's comment to Liam about how he tends to be "depressing."  Not to mention stupid...he REALLY thinks Wyatt had to force Steffy into getting in "look at meeeeee" mode on social media???  And if he truly feels this is all too "shallow," perhaps he really should get out of the fashion industry.  

IKR??? 

Good God, I miss the days of Liam staring into space for days at a time, because at least he was silent. He had no problems with shallow when he was Dad's favorite and Bill was giving him love advice that he routinely ignored. 

Forget the jellyfish...Liam is the daytime equivalent of Magikarp in the Pokemon game....a useless creature that flails in water and no ability to function. It's an insult the Magikarp to be compared to Liam, because it evolves into a bad ass dragon thing, and Liam will always be a petulant manchild who is only slightly better than Rick for his inability to use weapons at work.

[Waldo13]

1 hour ago, Anna Yolei said:

Edit to Waldo: Does that mean that if and when Eric finds his way back to Brooke or Donna that Steffy will keep her mouth shut about evil Logans and all that rubbish? 

 

 

 

 

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Hey, I can dream, can't i? ;)

Steffy really has no call to throw shade on anyone. Hasn't Steffy done as much to sabotage Hope and Liam as Quinn has done to sabotage her and Liam. Well not as shitty as kidnapping but still.  

How can Brooke go back to Eric now that she and Bill are drinking out of the same trough.  I'm so hoping that we get a sex scene, between Quinn and Eric, in the CEO office, where Eric is being whipped by Quinn and has nothing on but a leather mask, a diaper, and a dog collar.  Oh, just one more thing. Have Steffy walk in on them. Pure Gold. 

[tricknasty]

Quinn's disguise was hilarious! So Steffy is now calling Eric grandpa when he's not fucking her mother. Back then Steffy/Thomas called him Eric.

[LittleIggy]

The "Spencer Summit" in all its pomposity and grandiosity just screamed Trump to me.

[Anna Yolei]

3 hours ago, Waldo13 said:

 I'm so hoping that we get a sex scene, between Quinn and Eric, in the CEO office, where Eric is being whipped by Quinn and has nothing on but a leather mask, a diaper, and a dog collar.  Oh, just one more thing. Have Steffy walk in on them. Pure Gold. 

The problem with that scenario is NONE of us can unsee that :p

[MsTree]

The reason Deacon is around is to give Quinn someone to talk to...cause other than Eric, no one will give her the time of day.

[ByTor]

22 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

I agree that Bill is the safer bet for taking care of Will but that he should let Katie know Will's whereabouts or let her see her child for her sake as well as Will's. To keep them separated is just cruel.

Now that I think about it, Liam wasn't being dramatic when he told Bill he's kidnapping Will.  I understand it can be tricky about who a child lives with during a separation that is not yet a legal separation, and there is no official custody arrangement in place, but it's a whole other level to not let Katie even know where he is.  How he thinks cutting off contact between WIll and Katie is in Will's best interest is beyond me.  Either he's lying or he has a twisted idea about what's best.

[St3phForrester]

22 hours ago, Waldo13 said:

I'm so hoping that we get a sex scene, between Quinn and Eric, in the CEO office, where Eric is being whipped by Quinn and has nothing on but a leather mask, a diaper, and a dog collar.

Sweet holy Jesus.

[OhioSongbird]

Stephanie's portrait would fling it self across the room!

[grisgris]

The writers need to come up with some new disguises. Both Sally Spectra and Amber (oh, yeah, Darla, too!) tried to pull off the mysterious Russian man costume.

Ha! Ha! Ha! I LOVED $BIll's cheesy promo video of himself, uh, I mean the "Spencer Summit." Yeah. That's it. On some sites I've seen family trees of soap families, but I wish I could find organizational charts for FC and SP.

[TobinAlbers]

I really wish the show would take the opportunity of the Spencer Summit in Monte Carlo for Hope to unexpectedly show up, Liam goes 'Steffy who?' and they reunite and go back to Paris leaving Steffy, Wyatt, and Bill all slack jawed. Steffy can then deal with her mamma's boy husband and future step grand-mother in law.  

[bittersweet4149]

A letter to the B&B “Writers”:

You lazy, incompetent, petulant fucks. Must we viewers always show you how to straighten up a potentially kickass storyline? Right, then, here we go, and pay attention – it’s all about the pacing.

Quinn/Eric: First of all, it’s way too soon for Q to be donning disguises and sneaking into FC. Why? Because your viewing audience hasn’t bought into the two of them yet. Y’alls ADD asses can act like you don’t remember how she poured the Waffle batter into the iron and slapped it up, flipped it, rubbed it down (Oh no!),  but we do. SMDH. Anyhoo, Equinn needs to be what passes for a slow burn in today’s soap script. Clandestine meetings, and text messages at inopportune times that make Eric bust out in “yeah, my bottom chick has my back” grins that lead him to kicking ass and taking names in full old school swag. Steffy already digs it, but the longer it goes on (and I mean past next week, fucktards), the more she’s curious about Granddad’s human Viagra. Meanwhile, Quinn is secretive as hell with Wyatt; he sees Deacon coming and going at Quinn’s place, but he thinks the two of them are getting back together, mainly because Quinn’s getting her mellow on and she never allows the two to say more than Hi/Bye. Meanwhile, Deacon becomes a true platonic friend to Katie, but that’s another plot twist.

 As the weeks go by (don’t worry stupid writers, I’m only leading up to sweeps), Wyatt and Steffy have a weekly – and only weekly – conversation about how both of their elders seem to be thriving and how Quinn is respecting their relationship, and they find it increasingly strange. With Eric at the helm and kicking out new designs, have Quinn design some new jewelry but let Eric say they were legacy pieces Quinn left  that inspired him. This would ping Steff and Wyatt, but Eric and Quinn discussed it in advance and their lies are in sync. Meanwhile, Equinn have scenes at FC after hours – when she’s invited by Eric - where they talk business and family, and slowly discover they really are good for each other. A couple of times, maybe two or three, they almost get caught, but it makes it hotter for the two of them, until they realize they’re in too deep. They don’t get busted by Steffy and Wyatt until sweeps, and it happens in the FC steam room. Good times.

Meanwhile, Steffy realizes Wyatt is the guy that lets her do her. As much as Lame, I mean Liam, tries to get back with her, she’s not having it. Why? Because she sees the amount of time Liam spends consoling and comforting Katie – the two of them are totally having an emotional affair, but neither one realizes it – and is over his Captain Save-a-Ho ways. Wyatt starts to see it, too, and when it eventually becomes obvious to $Bitch $Bill, the ish hits the fan. Glorious, and again, proper pacing will develop the story in time to deliver for sweeps.  

While I’m at it, you can let Caroline become friends with Mr. Massengill, uh, Thomas, but that baby needs to be Ridge’s. Not because Ridge is all that, but because it would eventually kick off another branch of the feud between Rick and Ridge. I want to see Maya and Caroline bury the hatchet (not in each other’s backs for a change) and get the brothers to at least act like frenemies…until the next ‘scandal’.

I’ll have to give the Avants, Zzzzzende, and Sasha-not-so-fierce some thought, but I’m sure we fans can come up with something for them, too.

Le sigh.  Someone remind me why we still watch?

Edited July 18, 2016 by bittersweet4149
Spelling is gud, y'all.

[grisgris]

Preach it, bittersweet! I had come here to state exactly that. It's W-A-A-Y too soon for the Quinric reveal. But it sounds like it's going to happen. Tomorrow. So it will be back to the lovebirds sneaking around, but we'll have Steffy constantly harping on Wyatt to keep his mom in check and "away from my family," which is going to cause a constant undercurrent of tension in their marriage.

Does Deacon play golf? I think that Deacon and Papa Avant becoming friends might be interesting, even if just for some comic relief.  If Katie and Deacon become friends (through AA?) they could team up to exact revenge on $BIll. Deacon could somehow manage to get Mr. Avant a gig as Bill's personal driver as the "insider."

I'd like to see Sasha and Thomas hook up and make Steffy's and Maya's heads spin as Sasha uses a new means to infiltrate the Forrester family. Eric will fully support the relationship because Sasha will be the one to accidentally walk in on Eric and Quinn doing the deed in Eric's office. She'll use that as leverage to not only snag Thomas, but to rapidly advance her career at FC. That will cause tension between sisters Maya and Sasha. If the girl was brought on to be "fierce" then own it.

Zende and Nicole? WGAF? Send them off to Miami for an extended visit with Zende's family.

If we can bat around decent ideas, why can't the damned writers?

[Anna Yolei]

Bittersweet's entire post is a thing of beauty :)

I miss the good old days when characters could have overlapping stories, too. Someone posted a few videos of the lead up to Sally's sponsoring of the Queen Mary charity event in '89, and cut throughout those clips were scenes of Stephanie supporting all three of the children on the show at the time: a scene with Ridge about newly pregnant Brooke; speaking to Kristen about Clarke, whom she was estranged from; and Thorne about Caroline.

Bt this? I thought his relationship with Donna was rushed and half assed, but that was 1980s Y&R pacing compared to...whatever THIS is with Quinn, and at least with Donna people on both sides had the sense to ask if he was crazy, given what happened with Thorne barely even a WEEK before they got together. Knowing this show, only Steffy will ask this and everyone except Liam will brush her off despite knowing what she's capable of.

Edited July 18, 2016 by Anna Yolei

[Cindylou]

can we stop with the "having his cake and eating it too" talk, now I want cake!  it's hard to just say no, cake is so my destiney

[CountryGirl]

Brilliant, bittersweet!

[photo fox]

I think Quinn/Eric should be Quic, as in, how quickly they're shoving this down our throats.  Ridiculously bad story telling.

[bittersweet4149]

13 hours ago, grisgris said:

Does Deacon play golf? I think that Deacon and Papa Avant becoming friends might be interesting, even if just for some comic relief.  If Katie and Deacon become friends (through AA?) they could team up to exact revenge on $BIll. Deacon could somehow manage to get Mr. Avant a gig as Bill's personal driver as the "insider."

Oooh, I like this. I can imagine the actors playing Julius and Deacon completely going off script and coming up with comedy gold. Along with Julius' driving duties, have him work as an SP courier, which would give him additional interaction with Bill. Not the most glamorous role, but it would give Julius opportunity to mix things up.

14 hours ago, grisgris said:

I'd like to see Sasha and Thomas hook up and make Steffy's and Maya's heads spin as Sasha uses a new means to infiltrate the Forrester family. Eric will fully support the relationship because Sasha will be the one to accidentally walk in on Eric and Quinn doing the deed in Eric's office. She'll use that as leverage to not only snag Thomas, but to rapidly advance her career at FC. That will cause tension between sisters Maya and Sasha. If the girl was brought on to be "fierce" then own it.

Zende and Nicole? WGAF? Send them off to Miami for an extended visit with Zende's family.

All of this! Also, imagine Bill sending Julius over to FC for business purposes, and he see's Sasha making time with Thomas. You just know he'd start sticking his nose into her business, trying to coach her and be the 'father' he never was before. Maya's head would explode, which is always a good thing.

8 hours ago, Anna Yolei said:

I thought his relationship with Donna was rushed and half assed, but that was 1980s Y&R pacing compared to...whatever THIS is with Quinn, and at least with Donna people on both sides had the sense to ask if he was crazy, given what happened with Thorne barely even a WEEK before they got together. Knowing this show, only Steffy will ask this and everyone except Liam will brush her off despite knowing what she's capable of.

Exactly, and that's a shame. If the writers were truly invested in the characters, the freaking stories would practically write themselves. The Quinn/Eric hookup should be a colossal bombshell that shakes the canvas to its core. It should also drive Brooke, Rick, and Thomas to resurrect the House of Spectra. What? I can dream.

14 hours ago, grisgris said:

If we can bat around decent ideas, why can't the damned writers?

Because they're lazy, and that makes the baby Hay-sus cry.

[tricknasty]

If Zende's "special night" he has planned for Nicole involves a romantic dinner at home, I'm gonna need her to punch him in the throat. Cheap mofo

[Anna Yolei]

4 minutes ago, tricknasty said:

If Zende's "special night" he has planned for Nicole involves a romantic dinner at home, I'm gonna need her to punch him in the throat. Cheap mofo

I know budgets are tighter than they used to be, but God these men on the show. They don't even do picnics at the beach anymore. It's Los Angeles....how hard is it do set that up?

[Gudzilla]

8 hours ago, Cindylou said:

can we stop with the "having his cake and eating it too" talk, now I want cake!  it's hard to just say no, cake is so my destiney

Be careful I've heard that the cake is a lie. ;)

[Waldo13]

I know that Zende is not too bright but did they have to give him the same haircut as Lloyd from "Dumb and Dumber".  What's with the B&B and men's hairstyles?  So now St Nicole is allowing Zende to shoot Sasha if Rick allows it.  If Rick allows it?  It was Ridge who gave Zende the job in the first place and as of now it should be Eric's decision not Rick's. 

I can see it now, nobody comes between Rick/Maya and Nicole/Zende while Bell can screw up everybody else's relationship.  You know all people are created equally but some are created more equal than others.  

Constantly basterdizing Quinn is the catalyst for Liam and Steffy and Thomas' being Douglas' father is the catalyst for Thomas and Caroline. Bill had to drive Katie to destruction so he could have Brooke but we know Sasha is no catalyst as well as no catalyst in site for Rick/Maya. That is how I got to my conclusion. 

[grisgris]

Quinn raised a good question today. When Steffy rants, "Stay away from my family," who or what incident exactly is she referring to? Cousin Ivy? (Ha! Ha!) Quinn hasn't done anything to Thomas, Eric, Zende or Ridge. Am I missing something here?

Let me guess. ZZzzzende has another kitchen date planned for Nicole. I was surprised to hear he was going to pick her up at her house. Why not just have her drive on over. I sure miss the OTT sweep-her-off-her-feet romantic evenings original recipe Ridge and Eric used to plan for their ladies. Posh dinners in the private dining room, picnics on the beach and candlelight violin serenades at Cafe Russe were on tap with everybody decked out in their finest. Now, we get raggedy red ribbon engagements rings, tattooed wedding bands and carry-in dinner at the kitchen island.

I miss the old days.

[tricknasty]

20 minutes ago, grisgris said:

Quinn raised a good question today. When Steffy rants, "Stay away from my family," who or what incident exactly is she referring to? Cousin Ivy? (Ha! Ha!) Quinn hasn't done anything to Thomas, Eric, Zende or Ridge. Am I missing something here?

 

You missed nothing. Hack writers just wanted to add angst to Eric/Quinn hookup (which had no build up and happened offscreen). Logically she should have said "Stay away from me and Liam who you raped".

[TobinAlbers]

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Quinn raised a good question today. When Steffy rants, "Stay away from my family," who or what incident exactly is she referring to? Cousin Ivy? (Ha! Ha!) Quinn hasn't done anything to Thomas, Eric, Zende or Ridge. Am I missing something here?

Quinn has the habit of manipulating situations to the outcome she prefers through lies, manipulation, physical confrontation, and kidnapping that more often than not result in someone's life and/or well being put into jeopardy. Liam, Hope, Ivy, Aly, and Ridge have all been victim or near victim to her interfering in a situation, in Ridge's case Justin and Bill did most of the work but Quinn played a role in instigating the situation.

And what happens when she's caught and confronted? 'I didn't mean for this to happen but if YOU/THEY had just-' 

She shirks the blame onto someone else for not doing/acting the way she wanted them to and never takes the blame or changes her ways. Not even her son losing his child becaus of her incessant crowding of Hope made her change for long. She has a pathology that just can't be fixed.

Say Quinn and Eric get married and she has a kid? Quinn is going to want a place for her child at the Forrester table. Rick and Ridge aren't gonna play nicely or even if they're civil she's gonna want them to treat her to her liking and if they don't? She's going to start playing chess with the family to get the outcome she wants with someone paying a heavy price that 'she didn't mean to happen but if Rick/Maya or Ridge/Caroline had just-'

Quinn's got a track record of causing mayhem and bodily harm. Although to be fair so does Steffy, LOL, but I can still see why Steffy doesn't want Quinn anywhere near people she cares about. Thing is the she's either gotta accept that the price she has to pay for a loyal Chickenhead is his crazy mother or cut her losses and go back to her waffle.

Although at this stage of the game, I think Quinn could outright kill someone and she'd get away with it. The show is invested in keeping Rena Sofer because she's bringing her 'A' game and is versatile to do menacing, hijinks, sexy, and vulnerable so they're willing to overlook Quinn's crimes as campy soapy fun and bank on the audience doing that as well because Rena is just so good. And with the whiplash way they keep starting and dropping story it's easy to forget if you want to.

[Cupid Stunt]

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On ‎7‎/‎17‎/‎2016 at 9:30 AM, grisgris said:

Ha! Ha! Ha! I LOVED $BIll's cheesy promo video of himself, uh, I mean the "Spencer Summit." Yeah. That's it. On some sites I've seen family trees of soap families, but I wish I could find organizational charts for FC and SP.

 

Be There!!!!

<snerk>

It reminds me of the Sunday! Sunday! Sunday! Motorized Mayhem!!! Figure 8 demolition race advertisements for Perris Speedway.

 

On ‎7‎/‎15‎/‎2016 at 0:18 PM, KerleyQ said:

To be clear, I wasn't speaking about stability behind the scenes, but that they likely pay their bills on time, aren't shafting buyers or vendors.  And I just don't see this "controversy" as a deal breaker for most consumers, especially if they get a sanitized version of the truth (which is, at most, all anyone outside the family is entitled to).   

I wasn't suggesting FC would be shorting their vendors and buyers, or that FC wouldn't pay its bills. My point was that there's a lot of competition in the limited market for high end fashion, and small problems can be inflated into big issues if handled incorrectly.

There are fixed costs for production of special occasion dresses FC specializes in selling. Generally buyer and vendor contracts are short-term 60-90 days -- Half up front and the last half on delivery -- and if a vendor changes the contract terms to all the money up front, that can cut into a seasonal budget based on sales. If enough vendors demand their money up front, that can strap a company. Whatever debt you are carrying, employee/ freelance wages and insurance, utilities, PR and advertising, building maintenance and insurance, transportation costs, corporate jet expenses, lease payments and utilities on FC boutiques -- that's all cash out the door every month or quarter, so in the contingency of a contract payment change that up-front money would have to be made up either by using profits (generally held for next season's fashion and marketing development, and to manage debt payments), reducing the return to stockholders (Hi, $Bill) and cutting the salaries of upper management. 

Doug's paternity can turn into a thing because of the salacious nature of his conception and the concerted effort Ridge and Caroline took to hide it -- the situation is ripe for a gossip magazine to pounce upon. All it takes is Thomas overheard yammering at Caroline to have him recognized as Doug's father through the Emmy-nominated Office Door Left Ajar by a random FC employee, who tells Loading Dock Guy, who mentions it to his hairdresser wife, who calls her paparazzi cash machine ... Welcome to Los Angeles! We specialize in selling celebrity gossip and minutia to pseudo-journalists for money  ... and the Gossip Meter Is Pegged On Hysteria!

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And for Rick, specifically, to moan and bitch about the "controversy" being a danger to the company is rich.  It wasn't exactly long ago that he was the CEO, wandering the halls with a gun, taking shots at his estranged wife and his brother.  And he had already moved a new woman into his bedroom.  As a consumer, I wouldn't give a shit over the romantic entanglements of the company or a paternity mess, but I'd definitely have to reconsider continuing to buy products from a CEO who was recklessly discharging a firearm because he's pissed over the demise of his marriage.

Rick may have the magic touch with managing Forrester Creations, but he has the human and social skills of a venal and poisonous toad. Rick has mastered many of the lessons learned by the person who wielded the most power in his life, Stephanie Forrester. She held his parent's love and attention to the end and beyond, attacked anyone with impunity who didn't follow her will, and was held in the highest esteem ... Stephanie was monstrous.

Beyond the lethality of shooting a gun in an office during a work hours, seducing your brother's wife to protect your own vulnerabilities or disenfranchising a father from knowledge of his child, it shouldn't be a contest.  Rick should have been dismissed and arrested, but that's not how the situation was tidily wrapped up. Ridge and Caroline have behaved like idiots, assuming that Doug is Thomas' son without legitimate proof, and in the aftermath Ridge loses his most-coveted position as CEO, lost Doug to his revolting son, and presumes he's lost Caroline to Thomas because she pushed to tell Thomas the truth. So Ridge has chosen to publically martyr himself for terrible judgement and getting caught spreading a pack of lies. Neither Ridge or Rick have the interpersonal skills or the ability to negotiate without causing war to be declared every 10 months in the halls of Forrester Creations. 

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As for them lying to the media, nobody outside the family is entitled to any information about how Douglas was conceived.  Unless Ridge held a press conference to declare the wonders of a new Forrester product, guaranteed to reverse the effects of a vasectomy, touting his fathering Douglas as proof it works, what's the lie?  He is Douglas's father.  Thomas is his biological father, but Ridge is also his father, as the man who was married to Caroline when Douglas was born.  And he intended right from the start to raise him.  Any buyers, vendors, or consumers who expect that Ridge should have volunteered the information behind the conception, publicly shaming his wife and son and leaving an innocent child open to the level of scrutiny that story being public would involve is just being ridiculous.  

I'm disgusted by people who use their children as vehicles to publicize media or career agendas, or to use them in the media to patch up the stupid shit they've done. Doug's birth should have been left an announcement to family, friends they don't have, and that should have been the end of it. The interview Ridge and Caroline gave to Eye On Fashion should have been exclusively on the business of fashion at FC, not some archaic Victorian family tableau jelled in aspic, ready to be sliced up public consumption. What passes for a private life with Ridge and Caroline should have remained private, but again, that is not how the SL was presented. Ridge and Caroline put on a dog and pony show and the magazine published it. And now FC is to be entangled in the public misrepresentation of Ridge's making in a trade magazine. Like most people, vendors, buyers and customers would prefer to not be told lies to further a business agenda or personal agenda; you're better off saying nothing than getting caught up running a lie to its unfortunate end.

Even though Doug's parentage has not been made public yet, Thomas isn't going to stop until he publically recognized as the father and the birth certificate changed. The filing will be made public by the press. If FC doesn't get ahead of the media on Thomas' ambitions, this information will damage the FC brand. By separating Ridge from FC management, he get's to fall on his sword in the press, attempting to control the message away from FC, Doug and Caroline. I think in his resentment for losing Doug, losing the big chair and office, and believing he's lost his marriage, the press won't follow his lead and Ridge will lose his temper. Smelling blood, the media will start digging beyond Ridge's ability to contain it and Doug's conception will end up with a notated media link on Wikipedia. 

[MsTree]

Steffy please STFU and stop screaming at your mother-in-law. You're not exactly an angel either...and in what universe do you get to tell your grandfather who he can and cannot see?? Please have several seats and mind your own business.

[CountryGirl]

16 hours ago, tricknasty said:

If Zende's "special night" he has planned for Nicole involves a romantic dinner at home, I'm gonna need her to punch him in the throat. Cheap mofo

I LOL at how Nicole brought up the private jet/dinner in Paris with Wyatt.

Sadly, despite the fact that Zende should have more coin now that he doesn't have to spend as much on hair products, I'm sensing more pepper steak in Nicole's future.

Although I'm really not that sad - these two deserve each other and a life of insipid boredom. Preferably off my screen.

[CountryGirl]

11 hours ago, grisgris said:

Quinn raised a good question today. When Steffy rants, "Stay away from my family," who or what incident exactly is she referring to? Cousin Ivy? (Ha! Ha!) Quinn hasn't done anything to Thomas, Eric, Zende or Ridge. Am I missing something here?

Let me guess. ZZzzzende has another kitchen date planned for Nicole. I was surprised to hear he was going to pick her up at her house. Why not just have her drive on over. I sure miss the OTT sweep-her-off-her-feet romantic evenings original recipe Ridge and Eric used to plan for their ladies. Posh dinners in the private dining room, picnics on the beach and candlelight violin serenades at Cafe Russe were on tap with everybody decked out in their finest. Now, we get raggedy red ribbon engagements rings, tattooed wedding bands and carry-in dinner at the kitchen island.

I miss the old days.

Those were the days, weren't they?

I am LOL at the raggedy red ribbon engagement ring. I wonder if Katie threw that nasty thing out? Knowing her, probably not.

[RuntheTable]

Did they hire new hairstylists for the show? Given what we usually get makes me wonder if they employ any to begin with, but it seems new cuts and styles are in this week.

Zende’s new style is working for me. If I thought he was cute before, I now find him positively handsome, even if he is channeling his inner Mike Tomlin:

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And planning a special night with Nicole? Oh, beg the thought!  As other’s have said; I have visions of takeout at the kitchen island.

So, it seems Nicole has had an epiphany about standing in the way of your other half’s success. Good. Now that is how you build a strong relationship. Trust, love and encouragement in equal share will usually get the job done.

I see Liam had a little taken off the top too, but it certainly didn’t do anything for his whining.

I don’t know about anyone else, but I have had my fill of the “bro” stuff.

The Spencer Summit? What, is this some kind of grade B Cannes? I mean Summit? Really? That word conjures up visions of Heads of State, and government types meeting in a secluded hide-a-way to mash out political matters. It certainly doesn’t bring up visions of glossy magazines and fashion. I am sure for Bill it is more about him standing on the “summit” of his success, and looking down on his underlings. It was strange, but not unexpected, for Bill to mandate Steffy’s attendance. I am sure there will be plenty of photo’s of a scantily clad Steffy for him to peruse. Outside of that, he seems to want to push the limits of Wyatt and Liam’s semi-truce.  But really a “media blitz?” Of what exactly? I just don’t see how the President of a fashion house is front page fodder for the media.

Quinn! All I could see was Peter Sellers:

“I am Chief Inspector Clouseau, an Officer of the Leeauuu! I am here to inspect Mr. Forrester’s hard drive for Spyware. If it is infected, I may need to use my very special skills to defrag it.”

The best part of that whole mess was when Steffy pulled the wig and glasses off, leaving Quinn’s tiny face haloed in those caterpillar eyebrows and Grizzly Adam’s facial hair. And of course Eric was only going to be angry for a second; his penis is involved, and when Eric’s penis is happy, he is happy. So while Eric has to be put out for his granddaughter’s distress, it was really just all for show. I suspect there will be a wedding announcement this time next week.

Steffy, just when I was warming up to you, you have to go all wilting lilies on me. Was it really necessary to run over to SP’s to tell Wyatt about his mom? You couldn’t have just called him? Texted him? I mean, did seeing Quinn give you a case of the vapors? Did you think Wyatt would be at the ready with his handkerchief and some smelling salts? I thought you were supposed to be the tough one? Man up woman! Don’t be talking all tough to Mama Bear, then running to your hubby for help.

[KerleyQ]

I can't lay even a tiny bit of blame for Ridge's dunk from the chopper at Quinn's feet.  We all know Ridge was going to find a reason to go after Brooke and break up her wedding come hell or high water.  Quinn's revealed romp with Bill gave him the flimsy excuse he was looking for, but he would have gone anyway.  And she had zero way of knowing what would happen.  That was, to me, the thing she gets blamed for where her hands are pretty clean.  Is there anyone who's been on the show more than a minute who hasn't done something similar to revealing a secret to try to break up a couple?    

[Anna Yolei]

8 hours ago, MsTree said:

Steffy please STFU and stop screaming at your mother-in-law. You're not exactly an angel either...and in what universe do you get to tell your grandfather who he can and cannot see?? Please have several seats and mind your own business.

I'm so conflicted.

On one hand, Steffy is far from being a saint. OTOH, Eric should have some damn loyalty to his family by not sticking his dick into crazy....again.

[tricknasty]

Here's a pic from the "special night" y'all. He took her to his place of residence. SMDH

 

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[bittersweet4149]

Hmph. Zzzzzende's haircut looks good, but he's still trifling.

I haven't watched yet, but based on the pic above we all know his idea of "special" is probably

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his dick in a box.

SMDH for real.

[nkotb]

Zzzzzzende sure knows how to woo a girl! Dinner in a home she used to live in, but doesn't anymore, but he still does, and actually banged her sister in. Romance isn't dead, y'all. Yes, I realize that's it's because TPTB are too cheap to spring for a different set for their romantic date, but it was just too cheesy. Is Lizzy even 6 weeks old yet? Can Nicole safely have the sexy-times if that's where this is headed? She's such a rebel, though, she might just give in to her passion and not heed her doctor's advice and wait the 6 weeks.

I would so love to see Sasha hook up with Thomas, to get her away from boring Zende, and to get him away from his stepmother. However, I'd settle for her & Liam, above-stated-reason for her, and to give him something to do besides mope about Steffy. Sasha could really shake up either of those guys and make them a bit more exciting; I actually found Zende less snooze-worthy in her presence. She's just vivacious.

[Waldo13]

1 hour ago, tricknasty said:

Here's a pic from the "special night" y'all. He took her to his place of residence. SMDH

 

At least they moved pass the kitchen. Free dress (ugly), and catering that is probably charged to Eric's account.  Next sexy time will probably be in the same bed he "made love" to Sasha. I hope he at least changed the sheets.  Zende took a page out of Liam's book on how to romance a woman.  Liam opted to ask Steffy to marry him at his house than in a romantic setting. If memory serves, they could have gone to Paris??  Liam also believes a good time is tofu steaks, some wine, and watching Bob Hope movies at home. 

Thomas get off my screen. I sure hope Caroline was making goggly eyes at Douglas and not Thomas.  Is Thomas now living, at the loft, equal to Bill's nap room.  I hope to hell Caroline is not thinking about more sexy time with Thomas as a side piece. I hope she has the decency to ask Ridge for a divorce first.  

[Anna Yolei]

3 minutes ago, Waldo13 said:

 Zende took a page out of Liam's book on how to romance a woman.  Liam opted to ask Steffy to marry him at his house than in a romantic setting. If memory serves, they could have gone to Paris??  Liam also believes a good time is tofu steaks, some wine, and watching Bob Hope movies at home. 

Out of curiosity, which proposal was it, the one where he gave her Hope's ring before it had cooled off, the one where she was knocked up, or the last one after Steffy steamrolled Ivy? Or was it one I forgot about?  I can't keep track anymore.

[Gudzilla]

So, if Zende sent the dress to the motel does that mean Rick and Maya kicked Nicole out after she had the baby ?

Zende's smoothest move for me was " Come look at this view (in case you never looked out a window when you lived here)." 

[Waldo13]

1 hour ago, Anna Yolei said:

Out of curiosity, which proposal was it, the one where he gave her Hope's ring before it had cooled off, the one where she was knocked up, or the last one after Steffy steamrolled Ivy? Or was it one I forgot about?  I can't keep track anymore.

It was the last one but of course Liam took the ring back when Steffy was there when Ivy fell down the stairs after Liam ordered her to stay away from Ivy. Sounds familiar?  Liam said he was through with Steffy and ran to the hospital to see Ivy.  This is what Liam forgot about him and Steffy, being at odds , when he returned from Australia.  I guess Steffy has forgot also since this was never brought up by her to remind Liam.