Spoiler Discussion Thread

[Sunshine]

I don't think she would be in the Arrow cave either.  One of the things I liked about Sarah was that in the end she was making her own decisions. I think she might be back with the LOA or maybe she never rejoined the club and comes back from time to time to visit the family and helps out.  At this point if they did a BOP spin-off Sarah makes more sense than Awesome Blossom (sarcasm).  CL could be upped to regular and I understand why fans of Sarah would want that to happen but IMO it makes no sense.  They already have at least one regular that was neglected in S2 who I think is getting a big story in S3 (Thea).

 

I reserve the right to be wrong and won't be upset if I am. 

[Velocity23]

Peter Stormare casts as Seth

 

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Arrow-Vertigo-Peter-Stormare-1083968.aspx

[icandigit]

I'm not too worried about CL not appearing at the con. She seems to have a upward trajectory on her career right now.  The show will be the one to miss out if they don't keep her as a high profile character in its' universe.

[KirkB]

Peter Stormare casts as Seth

 

Now THAT should be fun to see. He and Amell should play well off each other.

[apinknightmare]

 

CL could be upped to regular and I understand why fans of Sarah would want that to happen but IMO it makes no sense.

 

I actually wasn't implying that she *should* be a regular, my original post was just commentary that it doesn't necessarily mean gloom and doom for Sara just because CL isn't on the panel, since she isn't a series regular.

[catrox14]

HOLY SHIT! How did they get Peter Stormare?  That's great!

[Starfish35]

The casting for "Daniel" should be announced soon then. He's the only one of the four left.

[Password]

Peter Stormare is a serious villain. I'm glad he'll be on the show.

[Sunshine]

I actually wasn't implying that she *should* be a regular, my original post was just commentary that it doesn't necessarily mean gloom and doom for Sara just because CL isn't on the panel, since she isn't a series regular.

Sorry.  I guess my real answer to your post was no she hasn't been made a regular as far as we know..  The rest was just my thoughts on why she should or shouldn't (not really directed at anyone).

[Morrigan2575]

I actually wasn't implying that she *should* be a regular, my original post was just commentary that it doesn't necessarily mean gloom and doom for Sara just because CL isn't on the panel, since she isn't a series regular.

The fact that she was named in the Upfronts Press Release would imply series regular status. I'm assuming she will be the suprise guest just like Barrowman was last year.

Sorry, my tablet is being super sketchy...really need to learn to proof read.

Edited July 3, 2014 by Morrigan2575

[writersblock51]

 

The fact that she was named in the Upfrontsame Press Release would imply series regular status. I'm assuming she will be the superseded guest just like Barrowman was last year

That's my impression as well.  or, it's the result of some serious wishful thinking on my part.

 

And !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to snagging Peter Stormare! 

 

I'm not sure why they'd bring him in as Vertigo but since I was hoping the Vertigo/GA battle would continue, I think it'll work out OK.

[Sakura12]

I'm a Sara fan and I don't want her to be a regular if they are still planning on making Laurel the Black Canary. The only reason I'd want Sara back is as the Black Canary. I would be okay with her visiting once in awhile to help Team Arrow while still being with the League or have them go with the new BC comic story (the one that's not even out yet). It would also be cool to see her on Flash since Dinah lives there and she could visit. Especially since Barry told Oliver he should wear a mask and dress in black. 

 

So wait, they are redoing Count Vertigo? Why didn't they just get him right the first time? That does not make me optimistic about the new season if they are just going to redo things they got wrong. Count Vertigo 1.0 was trying to hard to be the Joker, Slade was ruined by his stupid vendetta over a girl that someone else murdered, Isabel was useless and Malcolm magically comes back from the dead with no explanation. Those were the main villains so far.

 

So it seems like it's the lets redo everyone season, New and improved Vertigo, new and improved Merlyn and new and not improved Black Canary. 

Edited July 4, 2014 by Sakura12

[foreverevolving]

So wait, they are redoing Count Vertigo?

You know, I have to wonder... there is nearly a 30 years age gap between Gabel and Stormare!! well enough for Storemare to be Gabel's father (or playing one). my pet theory at the moment is that we'll find out that those two characters were related- possibly a father-son relationship. and that we'll find out that the entire Vertigo operation was a mafia like operation with count jr. working for daddy, and now daddy is pissed cause Arrow killed his son and he is all too happy to unleash his rage upon the city and arrow as revenge.

 

I know it's very similar to Malcolm reasons, but still far enough- i hope. plus you know, if there is one thing i'e noticed about villains in comic books is that when it boils down to it, they're vendetta always seems to boil down to: someone killed my loved one, so now i turn bad, now i'm gonna make everyone suffer.... 

Edited July 4, 2014 by foreverevolving

[Morrigan2575]

So what another character where the first one wasn't the "real" one?

[calliope1975]

Makes sense if the Show's going for a Father/Son or Parent/Child type theme this year. They won't be able to help beating it into the ground. 

Edited July 4, 2014 by calliope1975

[writersblock51]

My take on the 'new' Vertigo is that they two villains aren't related but were in the same overall organization.  Younger Vertigo got pulled into Slade's personal web/vendetta, which also meant he got himself killed and sunk the Vertigo operation.  Now the older guy steps in, making sure he's well & truly in charge - and his #1 enemy will be GA.  Maybe he knows Oliver is GA, maybe he doesn't. 

 

I hope the 2 men aren't related - I'm already wary about the father-child dynamics that will be hitting us over the head with anvils.

 

I, too, am fine with Sara but only if she's the only BC on the show.  And I'd prefer her to be a once in a while spot, not on every episode. 

[abhi]

At the Florida Comic con , apparently Katrina Law has said that she will be shooting for Arrow in a few weeks. So, we might see Nyssa in the 2nd or 3rd episode. I think katrina Law has a recurring contract with Arrow and it has been kept under wraps for the time being. If Sara's flashbacks have to be shown then Nyssa will have a role in it.

Also, the new Count might be Felicity's father. He's the right age for it.

[shadow2008]

Has anyone considered the possibility that the show might jump back and forth between present time Starling City and present time Nanda Parbat? I know I am probably in the minority on this, but I would really like to see that because that would be just about the only way anything decent can come out of Sara's return to the LoA.

[catrox14]

Wait, what? Stormare is Vertigo? But Vertigo is dead? I'm totally confused

[BkWurm1]

The Count is dead.  New guy will be known as Vertigo.

[Morrigan2575]

Vertigo 2.0...this one has the comics name so obviously he's the real one.

Has anyone considered the possibility that the show might jump back and forth between present time Starling City and present time Nanda Parbat? I know I am probably in the minority on this, but I would really like to see that because that would be just about the only way anything decent can come out of Sara's return to the LoA.

Highly doubtful, the show is called Arrow it's not going to give equal story time to Sara if she's totally remote from Oliver/Arrow. I love Sara and would really enjoy seeing flashbacks of her time in the league but Sara is best used sparingly, IMO.

The Count is dead. New guy will be known as Vertigo.

I honestly don't see much of a distinction. Seth's character called himself Count Vertigo in his last appearance, now this one is Vertigo (for now). It's essentially the same BS they've pulled before, IMO. Edited July 4, 2014 by Morrigan2575

[BkWurm1]

Maybe someone realized that they killed off one of Green Arrow's biggest opponents and called a do over.

 

Or maybe this is what they were talking about when they went to DC asking for one character, were denied, but were given one they decided worked even better.  Or maybe that was just their spin on making Lemonade. 

Edited July 4, 2014 by BkWurm1

[AnyoneButYou]

Vertigo 2.0...this one has the comics name so obviously he's the real one.

 

 

I'm confused. So the first one isn't the real one? Like Canary isn't the real Black Canary?

 

Why can't they just show us a character's story with the actual character?

[catrox14]

I thought The Count as played by Seth Gabel was Count Vertigo....

[Morrigan2575]

Yes, he was Count Vertigo, I don't know what his real name was. This new guy is going by "Vertigo" for now but will probably end calling himself Count Vertigo eventually. This new character has the actual name of his comics counterpart (Werner Zytle). So obviously he's the "real" Count Vertigo.

I'm guessing this is their continuing attempt to force Laurel as Black Canary....first Hood, Deathstroke, Merlyn, Canary and now Vertigo weren't real it's the second one that counts...or maybe I'm just being overly bitter.

Edited July 4, 2014 by Morrigan2575

[Tangerine]

The casting for "Daniel" should be announced soon then. He's the only one of the four left.

 

I saw this GIF set on Tumblr (Don't judge me) that showed parallels between Oliver/Felicity and Logan/Veronica from Veronica Mars and now I really, really want Jason Dohring cast as Daniel now. He's not busy these days, is he?

 

Also, I giggled a little bit at Devon Aoki being cast as Katana. Her brother is Steve Aoki, who was the DJ that opened Oliver's club in Season 1. And Ollie mentioned he was able to book him because he used to date Steve's sister.

 

That being said, please, please, please DO NOT have Oliver hook up with her. 

[shadow2008]

Highly doubtful, the show is called Arrow it's not going to give equal story time to Sara if she's totally remote from Oliver/Arrow. I love Sara and would really enjoy seeing flashbacks of her time in the league but Sara is best used sparingly, IMO.

 

 

Well, I didn't mean that Sara would be featured as much as Oliver, but that the show might spend some time in present time Nanda Parbat (not much, just 3 or 4 scenes) in every third or fourth episode or so. But I agree that even that seems unlikely because the show has shown no interest in exploring any storyline that doesn't hark back to Oliver Queen in some way.

Edited July 4, 2014 by shadow2008

[tv echo]

DANIEL | Though Daniel could be a fake name to throw off spoilerholics, this 20-something gent — a major recurring character for Season 3 — is a handsome, enigmatic and highly intelligent entrepreneur developing groundbreaking technology. (Picture a business magnate in Ryan Gosling’s body.) Though exuding charm and confidence in public, he privately harbors a tragic past that will drive him to become a tech-powered superhero. Watch for this formidable fella to be a love interest for Felicity and a rival of Oliver’s – both personally and professionally.

 

What if they're setting up a parallel B story?  Felicity gets an IT job working for Daniel or Daniel's company.  He becomes a secret vigilante at night.  She is secretly helping Oliver/Arrow at night.  Felicity discovers Daniel's secret.  He reveals to her his tragic past and swears her to secrecy.  Daniel's vigilante and Arrow run into each other on the streets.  Felicity tries to stop each man from hunting down the other, but can't reveal conflicting secrets.

 

I can also see the EPs eyeing 'Daniel' for another possible spin-off tv series (like Flash) if his superhero character becomes popular - in which case, Felicity could end up going over to that spin-off series with 'Daniel', leaving the field free and clear for Laurel to be both the main love interest and Black Canary on Arrow.  Thus, the precious comic book canon according to AK is preserved.

Edited July 4, 2014 by tv echo

[strikera0]

A 'new' Count Vertigo? Geez. The first Huntress should probably be the real deal, but as far as I know, there were 3 different incarnations (the first one was a villain, though) in the comic books. That should give the writers some wiggle room if they ever conclude that they have written themselves into a corner with the Helena Bertinelli version and would like to have a do-over...

Edited July 4, 2014 by strikera0

[Morrigan2575]

3 different Huntress? I thought there were 2 Helena Wayne and Helena Bertinelli. Who is the 3rd?

I guess she's the exception to the rule (on Arrow) or we'll meet another Huntress soon. This is actually becoming a bad joke, IMO.

[Sakura12]

That should give the writers some wiggle room if they ever conclude that they have written themselves into a corner with the Helena Bertinelli version and would like to have a do-over.

 

Yep, we'll probably be seeing Helena Wayne towards the end of the season, who will be real Huntress. They can't get Bruce Wayne, maybe they can get her.

 

Not every character has to have a second version. Especially since it's so rushed (their Oliver isn't the first Hood is such a joke, neither Yao Fei or Shado ever referred to themselves as the Hood). Let the first version be someone for longer than 2 seconds before introducing another version. 

 

It seems like they want to introduce every single DC character they can. Which is a stupid way to run a show about Green Arrow. That's making me have doubts about the Flash now. 

[strikera0]

3 different Huntress? I thought there were 2 Helena Wayne and Helena Bertinelli. Who is the 3rd?

I guess she's the exception to the rule (on Arrow) or we'll meet another Huntress soon. This is actually becoming a bad joke, IMO.

 

The Golden Age version of Huntress was called Paula Brooks, but she was a supervillain and a member of the second Injustice Society of America. They later changed her name to the Tigress.

 

[writersblock51]

The show's tendency to try to cram in as many DC U character is something that I wish wasn't happening but I can understand, to a degree, why it's taking place - it's like they just can't help themselves.  The showrunners have said recently (I'm sorry, I don't have a link) that they've been given more access to the DC U than before.  The temptation to reach in and grab everything off the shelves is strong.  I keep reminding myself that my interest in comics (spanning over 40 years) is NOTHING compared that of the people running the show.

 

The 'variations' thing for comic book characters is something I've come to terms with - in th comics - a long time ago.  It was often the only way characters could actually age, hit milestones (marriage, familiy, death) and still have the 'character' live on.  For comics, I think it works, though there are plenty of examples where it hasn't.  But this is a TV show and I think the variations is a clunky move.   There is, IMO, no reason to do it - if the show is fortunate to go past 5 years, maybe that would be a better time to discriminately introduce the concept.

 

Hence my theory about the new "Vertigo" - I think it's a title for whoever is running the Vertigo throughout Starling City, not necessarily a continuation of the same character (ditto for whoever becomes the new mayor).

Edited July 4, 2014 by writersblock51

[JayKay]

I'd be okay with Helena Wayne, since they bungled Helena Bertinelli. I can't help but wonder if they killed off Seth Gabel's version of Vertigo because he was just too cartoonish and they wanted to go in a more grounded direction with Oliver's Rogues. But Peter Stormare is quite the ham himself (imo) so I could see them being related.

[Morrigan2575]

The problem is they told Seth Gable to play the character that way. I always found it funny that people bitched about Vertigo being a poor man's Joker when The producers told him To Play The character like the Joker.

[catrox14]

I loved Seth Gabel as Count Vertigo. I loved how he played it especially on his 2nd and 3rd appearances. He seemed like he really found his footing. I'm irrationally annoyed that they are resurrecting the character without it being Seth Gabel. He's wasting his talents on Salem(which I watch only because of Seth Gabel).

[JayKay]

I'm a big fan of Seth Gabel as well (though I haven't had the courage to try to plow through Salem yet), and was shocked when they killed him off in the name of... well, when they killed him off. He reminded me more of the Batman: The Animated Series Joker than the Nolan Joker, though. Maybe they'll have Stormare play the more "modern" version of Vertigo-as-Joker.

[Happy Harpy]

I can also see the EPs eyeing 'Daniel' for another possible spin-off tv series (like Flash) if his superhero character becomes popular - in which case, Felicity could end up going over to that spin-off series with 'Daniel', leaving the field free and clear for Laurel to be both the main love interest and Black Canary on Arrow.  Thus, the precious comic book canon according to AK is preserved.

In another thread, you mentioned Daniel being brought to taste the waters for Felicity/someone else and clear the way for Laurel/Oliver, and personally I think it might very well be the case.

That's why I think that "Daniel" could be a disaster, and a male Laurel. Because imo, there's already a conundrum in the concept.

Let's put aside the fact that if you bring someone in in the main perspective of making them a love interest, you have good chances to have a cardboard Gary Stu/Jerk Stu, whatever, and an epic fail.

I have the feeling that many viewers are protective with Felicity, and they'd need "better than Oliver" (not "Oliver-lite") in order to be satisfied with a potential significant other. But it happens that Felicity and Oliver (and Diggle) are friends, partners, they value, respect, trust each other more than anyone and it's been two seasons.

So, how do you top that ? How can you top that, without putting down what's already is?  In other words, how can you make an omelette without breaking eggs, I mean, how can you make the main character's rival a better person than said main character, and his relationship with Felicity better than Oliver/Felicity, without ruining Oliver (in the vein of the Pod People episode) or Felicity (making her suddenly blind to Oliver's qualities, for example) and Oliver/Felicity as a whole, and not only as a romantic option? So I don't see an easy way for Daniel to be written in, at least in that "romance" respect.

I'm in this weird position where I don't want Oliver/Felicity to happen unless it's end game and well-written because well, you might know the drill with me (Words of House Happy Harpy: Moar Team Arrow makes a better show) but I look back, I look at the show, at the relationship they have and I realize that it's going to be incredibly difficult for any love interest to be viable and sustain the comparison, for me.

Edit: I think this post belongs here to spoiler discussion (since it's about a new character) an not to the relationships thread, sorry if I'm wrong.

Edited July 4, 2014 by Happy Harpy

[Password]

I'm in this weird position where I don't want Oliver/Felicity to happen unless it's end game and well-written because well, you might know the drill with me (Words of House Happy Harpy: Moar Team Arrow makes a better show) but I look back, I look at the show, at the relationship they have and I realize that it's going to be incredibly difficult for any love interest to be viable and sustain the comparison, for me.

I'm also in that weird place because what's the point of building up a real, honest, believable relationship when it will be thrown out anyway and they'll just end up good friends. I would have preferred they stay very good friends without the romance connotations but now they've gone there, and I'll feel cheated if it ends any other way.

I think you make a good point about Daniel really needing to be better than Oliver and better for Felicity than Oliver. Maybe that's why they decided to kneecap his character so thoroughly in the second half of season 2, and they'll do it again in season 3. Because anything other than amazingly wonderful to Felicity will seem...a sham. Oliver is on thin ice with me as it is. It just seems so pointless to build Olicity to the point where other relationships pale and seem shallow in comparison.

Edited July 4, 2014 by ArrowLimbo

[foreverevolving]

In another thread, you mentioned Daniel being brought to taste the waters for Felicity/someone else and clear the way for Laurel/Oliver, and personally I think it might very well be the case.

That's why I think that "Daniel" could be a disaster, and a male Laurel. Because imo, there's already a conundrum in the concept.

Let's put aside the fact that if you bring someone in in the main perspective of making them a love interest, you have good chances to have a cardboard Gary Stu/Jerk Stu, whatever, and an epic fail.

I have the feeling that many viewers are protective with Felicity, and they'd need "better than Oliver" (not "Oliver-lite") in order to be satisfied with a potential significant other. But it happens that Felicity and Oliver (and Diggle) are friends, partners, they value, respect, trust each other more than anyone and it's been two seasons.

So, how do you top that ? How can you top that, without putting down what's already is?  In other words, how can you make an omelette without breaking eggs, I mean, how can you make the main character's rival a better person than said main character, and his relationship with Felicity better than Oliver/Felicity, without ruining Oliver (in the vein of the Pod People episode) or Felicity (making her suddenly blind to Oliver's qualities, for example) and Oliver/Felicity as a whole, and not only as a romantic option? So I don't see an easy way for Daniel to be written in, at least in that "romance" respect.

I'm in this weird position where I don't want Oliver/Felicity to happen unless it's end game and well-written because well, you might know the drill with me (Words of House Happy Harpy: Moar Team Arrow makes a better show) but I look back, I look at the show, at the relationship they have and I realize that it's going to be incredibly difficult for any love interest to be viable and sustain the comparison, for me.

Edit: I think this post belongs here to spoiler discussion (since it's about a new character) an not to the relationships thread, sorry if I'm wrong.

 

But that doesn't have to happen that way (granted in a far superior show it probably wouldn't - there are plenty of examples from past shows-  Arrow being on the CW there's a chance it will, none the less...) why can't Felicity date someone who is in fact a great guy and is better than Oliver without being a Gary/Jerk Stu, but she or he, will, in the end, come to the conclusion that while they love each other and enjoy being together/ while this guy will make some other woman very happy he is just not mr. right for her- and decide to end it. it happens in real life all the time, it happens in TV land too (and sometimes without any drama).

if the writers are smart they'll do it that way. they'll show us that yes, there are great men out there for Felicity to chose from just as there are great women for Oliver to chose from, however they are already at a point where they are fully in love with each other that at the end of the day none of those choices will feel quite right.

like being the wrong piece of a puzzle V. being the right one.

[apinknightmare]

Just my opinion, but speculating that TPTB are considering a spinoff for the"Daniel" character and/or going to ship Felicity off with him to make way for Oliver/Laurel is a lot to read into a paragraph-long casting blurb. We don't even know who it is yet or how long his arc is going to be.

 

Not saying it wouldn't or couldn't happen, but Warner Brothers aren't dummies. They know what they have with both Felicity and the Oliver/Felicity relationship, judging by their support of both Felicity and Olicity on social media. I think if it gets to the point where they're shipping Felicity off to another show to make way for another ship, the show's got bigger problems than who Oliver ends up with. THE most talked about part of the season finale was the "I love you" fake-out. If they didn't know before, they definitely know now how careful they have to be with that pairing. Not saying they'll actually manage to be careful with it, but who knows.

[BkWurm1]

What if they're setting up a parallel B story?  Felicity gets an IT job working for Daniel or Daniel's company.  He becomes a secret vigilante at night.  She is secretly helping Oliver/Arrow at night.  Felicity discovers Daniel's secret.  He reveals to her his tragic past and swears her to secrecy.  Daniel's vigilante and Arrow run into each other on the streets.  Felicity tries to stop each man from hunting down the other, but can't reveal conflicting secrets

 

I can't see Felicity letting some brand new friendship trump her first loyalty to Oliver.  I just don't see her agreeing to help someone else.  For one, she's very busy already and not looking for another secret hero to babysit.  Plus how terrible would it be for her to have a crush on a new guy only for him only to want her IT skills?  Hell no! 

 

but she or he, will, in the end, come to the conclusion that while they love each other and enjoy being together/ while this guy will make some other woman very happy he is just not mr. right for her- and decide to end it. it happens in real life all the time, it happens in TV land too (and sometimes without any drama).

 

It could be as simple as at the end of the season he has to move to another city and she chooses to stay in Starling.  No one is the bad guy, she just makes her choice.

 

Just my opinion, but speculating that TPTB are considering a spinoff for the"Daniel" character and/or going to ship Felicity off with him to make way for Oliver/Laurel is a lot to read into a paragraph-long casting blurb. We don't even know who it is yet or how long his arc is going to be.

 

Even if TPTB are looking for another spin off, I don't think this is the format they would use to do it.  Daniel is going to be a season long character and a love interest of Felicity's.  That's a lot of lost character development if he was to suddenly have his own show.  I could see them taking a strong character (him) and starting up a new show maybe, but if all the romance stuff has already played out on Arrow, then that would be a huge let down.  They'd have to put the brakes on the relationship so they could restart it up on the real show and this is ignoring the need for Arrow to keep its fan favorite. 

[FAU]

Just my opinion, but speculating that TPTB are considering a spinoff for the"Daniel" character and/or going to ship Felicity off with him to make way for Oliver/Laurel is a lot to read into a paragraph-long casting blurb. We don't even know who it is yet or how long his arc is going to be.

 

Not saying it wouldn't or couldn't happen, but Warner Brothers aren't dummies. They know what they have with both Felicity and the Oliver/Felicity relationship, judging by their support of both Felicity and Olicity on social media. I think if it gets to the point where they're shipping Felicity off to another show to make way for another ship, the show's got bigger problems than who Oliver ends up with. THE most talked about part of the season finale was the "I love you" fake-out. If they didn't know before, they definitely know now how careful they have to be with that pairing. Not saying they'll actually manage to be careful with it, but who knows.

 

This sounds similar to Barry's character, the last thing this series needs is another love triangle, especially another prop for Laurel.

[abhi]

I don't know whether this is a spoiler or a spoiler speculation, but it was retweeted by James Bamford, so I believe it does have some truth in it.

http://comicbook.com/blog/2014/07/05/is-arrow-already-casting-for-ra-s-al-ghul-in-season-3-/

 

Some other interesting info shared by Neal Adams:

• John Barrowman, at some convention, met him and asked him to draw a costume that would be more revealing (I guess showing Barrowman's face) so that he could get more play. So, Barrowman is at least gunning for a new suit for Merlyn.
• After the first season, Arrow writers met him at some convention and asked him about his take om the show. Neal asked them why was Green Arrow shooting Arrow in people's chest and killing them. The writers said that they won't be doing it in second season and they are also introducing Dinah Drake in the second season. (I think this was in reference to Sara lance's character)

[writersblock51]

Thanks for the link - the Ra's Al Ghul stuff certainly seems to corroborate various comments that I'd read over the past year.  Even SA was clear that they wouldn't have said the name out loud if he wasn't showing up at some point.  Or something to that effect.

 

Also intriguing - the suggestion that the show could get a 'better' Ra's Al Ghul than who was in the Nolan universe.  Hmmmm...

 

I liked the no-killing aspect of S2 on Oliver's part.  Given the sometimes alarming body count in S1, it was a change I welcomed.  Nice that some folks in the industry agreed on that point.

Soooo - the 'Dinah Drake' they had in mind was what Sara became?  Doesn't that pretty much cement her place as Black Canary - or, at least, reducing Laurel's chances of taking on that role?

Edited July 5, 2014 by writersblock51

[Sakura12]

Not really, since Dinah Drake is the first Canary and Dinah Laurel Lance is the second and the EP's for some reason are hellbent on everyone having a first and second version. 

[writersblock51]

Fair point.  I'm not happy about that, though.  And it seems to be a pattern that does NOT have to be followed so doggedly.  Character V 2.0 doesn't necessarily make things better.

[abhi]

But isn't Dinah Drake the only Black Canary in the new 52 universe? I don't think the second versions of characters apply to the Canary Character. Oliver is vastly superior to yao Fei (supposedly the first iteration). Slade is much better than Billy Wintergreen. I bet that the New count would be much better than the last over the top Count. But in case of the BC, if laurel becomes the BC, then she would be a vastly inferior character to the original. So , I am still not convinced that Laurel is goint to become BC. I think SDCC may have answers to our questions.

[apinknightmare]

 

I think SDCC may have answers to our questions.

 

I hope so. I've never had my enjoyment of a show (or my continued viewing of it) hinge on the trajectory of one character before.

[strikera0]

If R'as Al Ghul has already been cast, I would assume that they will probably announce the casting at San Diego Comic-Con. That would be the ideal place to do it.

Edited July 6, 2014 by strikera0