Dean Winchester: aka Squirrel

[Supafanstan]

2 hours ago, ILoveReading said:

http://therestorer.tumblr.com/post/178851894316/business-insider-supernatural-will-be-missing

This was nice to see.

That is awesome! Dean is by far my favorite current TV character and right up there with my all-time favs.

[Myrelle]

12 hours ago, ILoveReading said:

http://therestorer.tumblr.com/post/178851894316/business-insider-supernatural-will-be-missing

This was nice to see.

It sure was. 

And the timing couldn't have been better. :-)

[gonzosgirrl]

Does anyone watch This Is Us? I've said it before, but after this week's episode I feel even more strongly that Jack reminds me of Dean. They share so many traits and experiences and are/became great men in spite of the father issues, the violent childhoods (albeit different kinds of violence), the responsibility of being the big brother (both innate and foisted on them by life) . I think Dean would've been the kind of family man Jack is, if his life with Lisa would've continued.

Last night's episode in particular made me smile sadly

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With Jack's father pointing to his newborn baby brother and telling Jack his one job was to look after him. :'(

[ILoveReading]

16 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

Does anyone watch This Is Us? I've said it before, but after this week's episode I feel even more strongly that Jack reminds me of Dean. They share so many traits and experiences and are/became great men in spite of the father issues, the violent childhoods (albeit different kinds of violence), the responsibility of being the big brother (both innate and foisted on them by life) . I think Dean would've been the kind of family man Jack is, if his life with Lisa would've continued.

Last night's episode in particular made me smile sadly

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With Jack's father pointing to his newborn baby brother and telling Jack his one job was to look after him. :'(

Yes.  that brought so many Dean feels. 

[BabySpinach]

Michael's chilling "I own you" was the most brazen of many instances of Dean being treated as an object, a tool for others' gain. John raised him this way, OG!Michael wanted to possess him, Amara wanted to become one with him, even Cas once demanded Dean's unconditional compliance (season 6). But Dean typically exercises more agency and belligerence than anyone else on the show, so their desire to fully "own" him is always met with failure. He'd flat-out refuse, cuss you out for good measure, and walk away unscathed. This is more of a macro observation, but it's one of my favorite recurring themes. Hopefully it holds out here and Dean gets to give the same to Michael (but not before we get more of Jensen's performance, pretty please?). "Cram it with walnuts, ugly" is still a favorite of mine.

[DeeDee79]

1 hour ago, BabySpinach said:

Michael's chilling "I own you" was the most brazen of many instances of Dean being treated as an object, a tool for others' gain. John raised him this way, OG!Michael wanted to possess him, Amara wanted to become one with him, even Cas once demanded Dean's unconditional compliance (season 6). But Dean typically exercises more agency and belligerence than anyone else on the show, so their desire to fully "own" him is always met with failure. He'd flat-out refuse, cuss you out for good measure, and walk away unscathed. This is more of a macro observation, but it's one of my favorite recurring themes. Hopefully it holds out here and Dean gets to give the same to Michael (but not before we get more of Jensen's performance, pretty please?). "Cram it with walnuts, ugly" is still a favorite of mine.

True that! Also add Magnus's intention to add Dean to his "collection" once he found out that he had the MOC and Dean basically telling him to fuck off even while he was at his mercy.

[ILoveReading]

1 hour ago, BabySpinach said:

Michael's chilling "I own you" was the most brazen of many instances of Dean being treated as an object, a tool for others' gain. John raised him this way, OG!Michael wanted to possess him, Amara wanted to become one with him, even Cas once demanded Dean's unconditional compliance (season 6). But Dean typically exercises more agency and belligerence than anyone else on the show, so their desire to fully "own" him is always met with failure. He'd flat-out refuse, cuss you out for good measure, and walk away unscathed. This is more of a macro observation, but it's one of my favorite recurring themes. Hopefully it holds out here and Dean gets to give the same to Michael (but not before we get more of Jensen's performance, pretty please?). "Cram it with walnuts, ugly" is still a favorite of mine.

 

Just now, DeeDee79 said:

True that! Also add Magnus's intention to add Dean to his "collection" once he found out that he had the MOC and Dean basically telling him to fuck off even while he was at his mercy.

Exactly.  Even when he was with John he still had his own way of rebelling.   He would let Sam do normal things, and he told Cassie what they did, despite John. 

[BabySpinach]

11 minutes ago, DeeDee79 said:

True that! Also add Magnus's intention to add Dean to his "collection" once he found out that he had the MOC and Dean basically telling him to fuck off even while he was at his mercy.

Perfect example! And then Dean parted him from his head shortly after.

And Crowley's brief attempt to get Demon!Dean to heel also backfired spectacularly. Dean really is the embodiment of free will. It's always satisfying to watch him defy powerful beings' attempts to claim him.

[gonzosgirrl]

4 hours ago, BabySpinach said:

Perfect example! And then Dean parted him from his head shortly after.

And Crowley's brief attempt to get Demon!Dean to heel also backfired spectacularly. Dean really is the embodiment of free will. It's always satisfying to watch him defy powerful beings' attempts to claim him.

Dean's 'Or what? to Crowley is a favourite of mine. ♡

[gonzosgirrl]

Bringing this quote here since it isn't really about spoilers anymore.

58 minutes ago, Pondlass1 said:

Dean's coiled tight as a spring, but Michael's relaxed and observant.  The look in the eyes is noticed first, but it's also body posture, shoulders, coolness.... it's all different and so clever.

When Sarah MG played a dual role, Future Buffy had a scar across her face so we could tell.  But Jensen didn't need this for his portrayal in The End.  We knew exactly which Dean was speaking just by the expression and the eyes.  Even in close ups when we couldn't see the clothes... we knew.

 

The same was true of his portrayal of Dean and Dream-Dean in Dream a Little Dream. When they were circling each other, there was no doubt who was who.

[ILoveReading]

I just love  listening to Jensen talk about Dean.

[BabySpinach]

Saw this post on Tumblr. There are 11 years between these two photos.

This man.....

Edited October 24, 2018 by BabySpinach

[Pondlass1]

What I get from these two photos - and yes, he's gorgeous and never ages - is the subtlety  of expression in each scene.  In the first he's with Bella and not so sure of himself in a tux "Don't objectify me".  In the second he's Michael - cool, in control, confident and comfortable in what he's wearing.  

It's all there in the expression.

Edited October 24, 2018 by Pondlass1

[Pondlass1]

I wonder what Jensen was so excited about last Spring?  How was Michael/Dean explained to him, because there's nothing so far to be excited about.  6 or 7 short scenes and that's it? They must've had a huge change of plan over the summer?

Maybe it was getting to select the wardrobe that he liked?

[ahrtee]

Since we had been talking about tweeting during the ep to show our displeasure with how Dean and his storylines have been treated, how about something simple like:

#AngryDeanFanSPN

Maybe every time they screw up his character, drop his storyline or cut away from an emotional/important scene to something insipid? (I know, that would mean pretty much the whole episode...) :)

[Myrelle]

On 10/24/2018 at 1:59 AM, BabySpinach said:

Saw this post on Tumblr. There are 11 years between these two photos.

 

This man.....

This is insane on so many levels-with not the least being the level of eyelash porn in both of them ;-)-and yes, Dean looks subtly intense, while Michael!Dean exhibits none of that whatsoever. He's just cooooool as a cucumber.

The 11 year difference is just not fair to the rest of us mere humans. :-)

[catrox14]

11 minutes ago, Pondlass1 said:

I wonder what Jensen was so excited about last Spring?  How was Michael/Dean explained to him, because there's nothing so far to be excited about.  6 or 7 short scenes and that's it? They must've had a huge change of plan over the summer?

Maybe it was getting to select the wardrobe that he liked?

My most magnanimous reasoning is that IMO, most everything going on with the show has to do with Wayward Sisters. The SPN finale aired the week of the WS announcement, so it was already written and filmed. IMO Dabb et al were banking on WS being picked up, and planned for Michael!Dean to be at least the big bad through the mid season finale. But then, WHOOPS WS wasn't picked up. And IMO over the summer TPTB scrambled to write the WS into s14 for whatever reasons be it payoffs for the failure of WS on it's own, or to push WS INTO SPN which is what I think is going to happen. 

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They seem to have set up Evil Kaia being the reason Michael left Dean if the spoilers are any indication.  

But yeah, I'm standing by that Michael!Dean arc was truncated or reworked to make way for Wayward Sisters IN SPN proper. 

[Pondlass1]

Once the episodes have aired - maybe after the winter hiatus - Jensen may begin to once again voice his annoyance or disappointment.  He's been vocal about, Benny, purgatory, Demon Dean, marionette fight, etc.  If Michael has been short changed to make way for the WS saga, then Jensen might speak out.  He was definitely excited about being given the chance to flex acting muscles and be someone else.

Abb & Co are crazy.  There's a glut of hair-flipping teen girls banding together to save the world shows on TV as it is.  We don't need another one.

Edited October 25, 2018 by Pondlass1

[PAForrest]

35 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

My most magnanimous reasoning is that IMO, most everything going on with the show has to do with Wayward Sisters. The SPN finale aired the week of the WS announcement, so it was already written and filmed. IMO Dabb et al were banking on WS being picked up, and planned for Michael!Dean to be at least the big bad through the mid season finale. But then, WHOOPS WS wasn't picked up. And IMO over the summer TPTB scrambled to write the WS into s14 for whatever reasons be it payoffs for the failure of WS on it's own, or to push WS INTO SPN which is what I think is going to happen. 

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They seem to have set up Evil Kaia being the reason Michael left Dean if the spoilers are any indication.  

But yeah, I'm standing by that Michael!Dean arc was truncated or reworked to make way for Wayward Sisters IN SPN proper. 

That's an interesting and very plausible theory. I hadn't considered that. I mean, I knew WS not being picked up would come back to bite us in the ass because Dabb & Berens would be pissed off, but I should have known the most obvious way to do that would be for them to dump the Dean!Michael angle almost immediately. The only other explanation I had is that Dabb straight up lied to Jensen about the role/story, because right now that's certainly the way it looks. Whichever way it happened, I don't know if Jensen making noise at this point could alter the course of his nonexistent role/story. However it went down, it's very disappointing., especially when Jensen was just getting into the role in the few scenes he had last week. Looked like he was having a lot of fun with it. A real shame.

[Katy M]

1 hour ago, catrox14 said:

banking on WS being picked up, and planned for Michael!Dean to be at least the big bad through the mid season finale.

Then, thank goodness it didn't get picked up.  I could NOT go a whole half season without my Dean.

[gonzosgirrl]

Jensen was totally psyched in the beginning and until Jensen says otherwise, I'll continue to believe that he believed Michael!Dean was going somewhere with him in the role. IDGAF about Michael in some other meatsuit. Unless it's giving Jensen room to shine, he's just another winged douche.

I can't stand watching what Dabb & Company are doing to Dean (and Jensen). Like literally, I can't, and won't. I'll check in here for my Dean girls to tell me something good, but unless/until then, for the first time since finding the show, I'm not going to watch live.

[FlickChick]

4 hours ago, gonzosgirrl said:

Jensen was totally psyched in the beginning and until Jensen says otherwise, I'll continue to believe that he believed Michael!Dean was going somewhere with him in the role. IDGAF about Michael in some other meatsuit. Unless it's giving Jensen room to shine, he's just another winged douche.

I can't stand watching what Dabb & Company are doing to Dean (and Jensen). Like literally, I can't, and won't. I'll check in here for my Dean girls to tell me something good, but unless/until then, for the first time since finding the show, I'm not going to watch live.

I agree that Jensen was mislead regarding the Michael/Dean role and his part in it. And if, as @catrox14 suggests, it was changed so that WS could be important SN characters this season, I'm doubly pissed. What the hell is wrong with that pissant Dabb that he would minimize the role of the best actor on the show to parade his young female "hunters" who can barely act. I swear to Chuck that there is something wrong with that man. I was so upset on the night of the premiere that I couldn't concentrate or enjoy the rest of the evening. So, gonzosgirrl, I feel your pain and may even join you after watching all episodes live since the Pilot. The frustration isn't worth it anymore. If it continues like we've seen in the last seasons, nothing would please me more than for Jensen to walk away at the end of this season.

[devlin]

Watching this character is such an emotional journey. No matter the story Jensen always seems to enhance it with small moments, like when he finally gets to remove michael’s outfit. Even when the scene isn’t focused on dean he has such a presence. Sorry I don’t mean to gush.

[ILoveReading]

39 minutes ago, devlin said:

Watching this character is such an emotional journey. No matter the story Jensen always seems to enhance it with small moments, like when he finally gets to remove michael’s outfit. Even when the scene isn’t focused on dean he has such a presence. Sorry I don’t mean to gush.

I agree.  You're eye is just drawn to him because he's always "on." 

Another good example comes from Danneel's first ep last season.  Its the scene where they're all choked, and in the commentary, Danneel says something like, you're  acting funny.  Jensen says, yeah we were almost just strangled.  (paraphrasing).  It's the little things.

That scene where he removes Michael's cloths was the best scene of the night.  Such great non-verbal acting.

[Myrelle]

3 hours ago, devlin said:

Watching this character is such an emotional journey. No matter the story Jensen always seems to enhance it with small moments, like when he finally gets to remove michael’s outfit. Even when the scene isn’t focused on dean he has such a presence. Sorry I don’t mean to gush.

Gush away. That's what this thread is for. :-)

2 hours ago, ILoveReading said:

I agree.  You're eye is just drawn to him because he's always "on."

I realized this from the very first episode that I watched-Devil's Trap.

[Pondlass1]

You're eye is just drawn to him because he's always "on."

Yeah, he's always Dean and when they're in the midst of peril, he's coiled like a spring.  I noticed in the AU desolate scenes when standing talking with another character - Dean's eyes are darting around, looking for danger the whole time.  Of course there's probably 40 camera and production crew 2 metres away but Jensen has Dean scouring a (fake studio) horizon. 

And he always looks behind him when creeping through a creepy house with his flashlight.  I've seen so many horror movies where the character just stares ahead as they creep along.  But natural instinct would have us looking over our shoulder too.

And he listens and reacts when another character is speaking.  He doesn't just stand there waiting to say his next line, or overreacts to whatever the other actor is saying.  

So many little things.... but they draw us in and make Dean so real.  

That's why I get so miffed when Jensen and the awesome Dean Winchester get shafted.

[FlickChick]

7 hours ago, Pondlass1 said:

You're eye is just drawn to him because he's always "on."

Yeah, he's always Dean and when they're in the midst of peril, he's coiled like a spring.  I noticed in the AU desolate scenes when standing talking with another character - Dean's eyes are darting around, looking for danger the whole time.  Of course there's probably 40 camera and production crew 2 metres away but Jensen has Dean scouring a (fake studio) horizon. 

And he always looks behind him when creeping through a creepy house with his flashlight.  I've seen so many horror movies where the character just stares ahead as they creep along.  But natural instinct would have us looking over our shoulder too.

And he listens and reacts when another character is speaking.  He doesn't just stand there waiting to say his next line, or overreacts to whatever the other actor is saying.  

So many little things.... but they draw us in and make Dean so real.  

That's why I get so miffed when Jensen and the awesome Dean Winchester get shafted.

This and more X 1000!!!  Which unfortunately, is exactly why Dabb wants Dean out of the picture. All the better to let Chief, WS and AU adorers breathe. Fuck you, pissant Dabb.

[ahrtee]

Brought over from the Mint Condition thread:

8 hours ago, juppschmitz said:

This. And also Dean lying on his belly watching TV reminded me so much of that episode when Manticore was destroyed and all the Transgenics got out and Alec was lying on his belly, enraptured by the telly...

You're welcome.

[gonzosgirrl]

15 minutes ago, ahrtee said:

Brought over from the Mint Condition thread:

You're welcome.

Mmmmmmm.

Whenever I want to see what young Dean would've been like, I watch Alec. The two characters have so much in common.

[Bergamot]

7 hours ago, gonzosgirrl said:

Whenever I want to see what young Dean would've been like, I watch Alec.

I like this idea very much! If only we could have had a young Jensen to play Dean at a younger age in flashback episodes, it would have added so much. Unfortunately not possible, since there is only one Jensen Ackles!

[Myrelle]

11 hours ago, ahrtee said:

Brought over from the Mint Condition thread:

You're welcome.

Mmmmmmmmmmmm... Indeed.

And the rest of that scene is even better because Jensen was young then and wouldn't even think of refusing/questioning the writing or direction to take his shirt off for a scene. ;-) 

[BabySpinach]

I do wonder, are there any other characters on TV of Jensen's physical type (tall, hunky, un-nerdy as possible) who are allowed to act as blatantly CUTE as Dean Winchester? I keep thinking back to 14.04, specifically Dean's reaction to the David Yeager figure's catchphrases and his horror movie binge while sprawled on a bed eating pizza. You'd think that a character with Dean's horrific past and Jensen's looks would be a strictly serious, brooding, badass type, but he's so often allowed to express genuine, unabashed childlike delight. Action hero + blatant nerd is a very unusual combination, and I feel that it's a big contributor to Dean's status as a genre fiction icon. 

Seriously, in all the TV I've watched, I don't think I've seen any other character like this: a Grade A all-American heartthrob type acting like a happy, boyish nerd (and coming across as even more likable for it). Most of the credit definitely goes to Jensen's natural knack for little non-verbal gestures and physical tics. He's always in the moment, reacting in small instinctive ways as if he actually were Dean. And Jensen understands, maybe subconsciously, that to be visibly passionate and enthusiastic is to be lovable.

ETA: And this is the SAME character, in the very next episode!

Edited November 12, 2018 by BabySpinach

[Myrelle]

3 minutes ago, BabySpinach said:

Seriously, in all the TV I've watched, I don't think I've seen any other character like this: a Grade A all-American heartthrob type acting like a happy, boyish nerd (and coming across as even more likable for it). Most of the credit definitely goes to Jensen's natural knack for little non-verbal gestures and physical tics. He's always in the moment, reacting in small instinctive ways as if he actually were Dean. And Jensen understands, maybe subconsciously, that to be visibly passionate and enthusiastic is to be lovable.

In moments like that one, it's sometimes hard to determine a dividing line between the actor and the character. They are so enmeshed in scenes like this one that I almost think that the acting becomes a type of reality for both actor and character.

And that's what brings out the best in other actors, IMO. I mean look at the little guy's facial expressions and that dawning smile-it's so genuine, too.  

It reminds me of that scene in You Can't Handle the Truth when Dean is in the bar and right after he realizes that he's getting hit with other peoples' truths, the woman sitting at the table confides in him that she's just had breast enhancement surgery because she needs a lot of attention. I still can't help smiling so big when I just think about that scene. :-D

He is just So. Good.

[DeeDee79]

8 hours ago, BabySpinach said:

I do wonder, are there any other characters on TV of Jensen's physical type (tall, hunky, un-nerdy as possible) who are allowed to act as blatantly CUTE as Dean Winchester? I keep thinking back to 14.04, specifically Dean's reaction to the David Yeager figure's catchphrases and his horror movie binge while sprawled on a bed eating pizza. You'd think that a character with Dean's horrific past and Jensen's looks would be a strictly serious, brooding, badass type, but he's so often allowed to express genuine, unabashed childlike delight. Action hero + blatant nerd is a very unusual combination, and I feel that it's a big contributor to Dean's status as a genre fiction icon. 

Seriously, in all the TV I've watched, I don't think I've seen any other character like this: a Grade A all-American heartthrob type acting like a happy, boyish nerd (and coming across as even more likable for it). Most of the credit definitely goes to Jensen's natural knack for little non-verbal gestures and physical tics. He's always in the moment, reacting in small instinctive ways as if he actually were Dean. And Jensen understands, maybe subconsciously, that to be visibly passionate and enthusiastic is to be lovable.

I agree. He was especially adorable during the scene in the clip that you posted.

[SueB]

8 hours ago, BabySpinach said:

Seriously, in all the TV I've watched, I don't think I've seen any other character like this: a Grade A all-American heartthrob type acting like a happy, boyish nerd (and coming across as even more likable for it). 

I’d have to say both David Boreaneaz (sp?) characters of Angel (Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Angel) and Seely Booth (Bones) had touches of this.  DB is not, IMO, in the same weight-class as Jensen when it comes to acting, but his character would nerd out from time to time and it was charming.  Joss Whedon did that and it worked*.  I suspect DB took that technique over to Bones later.   But, again, while the same kind of thing, Jensen excels in the subtleties of showing this.  

 

* See also Spike from TV, Thor from the Avengers.  

[Aeryn13]

Hm, a genuinely nerdy alpha male? I can't think of one right now either. CW-wise, it's as if you three Green Arrow's Oliver and Flash's Barry in a blender.

Normally on TV they at least give the beautiful people nerdy glasses to pretend they are bot supermodels and instead nerdy and thus "less attractive".

Though I guess they looked at Jensen in glasses for the "unattraktive nerd" look and threw up their hands in disgust at how little it helped.

[ILoveReading]

1 hour ago, Aeryn13 said:

Hm, a genuinely nerdy alpha male?

I can't think of one either. 

There is also another moment I really like.  It's a small one.  It's in Provenance, and while Sam is talking to the librarian you see Dean kind of geeking out while looking at a magazine.  Then when the camera angle changes you see Dean's looking at a picture of a gun.  It's the prefect example of how Jensen is always on even when he's not the focus.  Your eye is just drawn to him.

That's why Dabb admitted that the only way other characters can shine is to get Jensen off screen. 

[catrox14]

2 minutes ago, ILoveReading said:

n the camera angle changes you see Dean's looking at a picture of a gun.  It's the prefect example of how Jensen is always on even when he's not the focus.  Your eye is just drawn to him.

It's remarkable to me when I read that other actors{

(not on this show necessariy) don't give anything unless the camera is on them. To me Jensen acts like people do irl. You don't just cease to exist because someone else is the same room. A person reacts either outwardly or inwardly to whatever is going on. And Jensen does that so most scenes feel and seem realistic when he's in them. He treats it like it's real so it comes across that way. IMO

[FlickChick]

No actor threads, so I'm posting here. I am wondering how Jensen really feels about this season. When his showrunner makes a statement about needing "Dean" - but let's face it, really Jensen - gone so others can breathe, then proceeds to shoehorn multiple characters into the show so he can focus on those characters instead, what does he feel/think about that? Is he glad he has more time for family or is he insulted that, as one of the stars of the show, he is being pushed aside to accommodate Dabb's playthings?  I wonder, is he saying anything to anyone? We know he protects his character, so how must he feel about the way in which Dean is being treated in this season as well as the last few? Inquiring minds want to know...

[gonzosgirrl]

5 minutes ago, FlickChick said:

No actor threads, so I'm posting here. I am wondering how Jensen really feels about this season. When his showrunner makes a statement about needing "Dean" - but let's face it, really Jensen - gone so others can breathe, then proceeds to shoehorn multiple characters into the show so he can focus on those characters instead, what does he feel/think about that? Is he glad he has more time for family or is he insulted that, as one of the stars of the show, he is being pushed aside to accommodate Dabb's playthings?  I wonder, is he saying anything to anyone? We know he protects his character, so how must he feel about the way in which Dean is being treated in this season as well as the last few? Inquiring minds want to know...

I was kind of touching on this in another thread - my only hope for Michael!Dean is that Jensen hasn't given any hint of dissatisfaction in the few show-related Q/A  there have been at cons so far. I don't think he'd outright spoil the new episodes by saying that he was screwed over, but I think there would be hints of shade. Unfortunately we won't know for sure until the season unfolds, but I think if he is unhappy, he won't be so shy about letting it be known. I have always believed that Jensen would protect Dean, but honestly, if they did lie to him to get him to re-up, and he does it again, then I just don't know.

[Myrelle]

3 hours ago, gonzosgirrl said:

I was kind of touching on this in another thread - my only hope for Michael!Dean is that Jensen hasn't given any hint of dissatisfaction in the few show-related Q/A  there have been at cons so far. I don't think he'd outright spoil the new episodes by saying that he was screwed over, but I think there would be hints of shade. Unfortunately we won't know for sure until the season unfolds, but I think if he is unhappy, he won't be so shy about letting it be known. I have always believed that Jensen would protect Dean, but honestly, if they did lie to him to get him to re-up, and he does it again, then I just don't know.

He would probably give anyone the benefit of the doubt, IMO.

Otherwise, what's happened would never have happened, again IMO.

So I'm thinking he's waiting to see what the second half of the season brings for Dean.

I've always felt  that he was ready to walk, for the first time in the series, after the end of S8; and he waited to see what Carver would do for his character by the end of S9-and Carver came through for him. And for that, I have to give Carver credit for finally smartening up.

I would imagine that he'd give Dabb the same kind of consideration because that's just the kind of person that he seems to be to me.

[gonzosgirrl]

1 hour ago, Myrelle said:

He would probably give anyone the benefit of the doubt, IMO.

Otherwise, what's happened would never have happened, again IMO.

So I'm thinking he's waiting to see what the second half of the season brings for Dean.

I've always felt  that he was ready to walk, for the first time in the series, after the end of S8; and he waited to see what Carver would do for his character by the end of S9-and Carver came through for him. And for that, I have to give Carver credit for finally smartening up.

I would imagine that he'd give Dabb the same kind of consideration because that's just the kind of person that he seems to be to me.

I agree. Maybe I wasn't so clear - I meant going forward, if he has been screwed out of his Michael storyline after being so vocally excited about it, then I would surprised if he signed again, under Dabb. He (Dabb) will have had three full seasons under his belt by then - more than enough to show his true colours.

[gonzosgirrl]

Your face, sir.

*ded*

[ahrtee]

Catch Dean in the FIRST 5 EPISODES of the new season of #Supernatural before they expire on Thursday: http://go.cwtv.com/SPN18First5tw

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But don't blink or you'll miss him.

[ILoveReading]

11 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

Your face, sir.

*ded*

Technically its the first four eps

[gonzosgirrl]

28 minutes ago, ILoveReading said:

Technically its the first four eps

Honestly, I never even read the words.

[ILoveReading]

https://baylorsr.livejournal.com/353347.html

Here is a write up of how Jensen was cast on dark angel and a write up of the commentary on two of the eps.  The Berrisford Agenda and Hello Goodbye. 

Alec was also other character who sucked all oxygen out of the room and didn't leave any of the other characters breathing room.

[AwesomO4000]

On 11/11/2018 at 10:54 PM, BabySpinach said:

Seriously, in all the TV I've watched, I don't think I've seen any other character like this: a Grade A all-American heartthrob type acting like a happy, boyish nerd (and coming across as even more likable for it).

Hmm... I'll have to think more on it, but off the top of my head I can only come up with a couple: Sam Beckett from Quantum Leap maybe.

There was also a character named Boonie from China Beach who also fits the bill in my opinion, but it was sort of part of his job - and a way to keep his sanity - that he acted that way. But maybe in a way that is a bit like Dean also. Ditto with Shawn Spenser from Psych. His acting like and enjoying being a nerd is part of how he keeps his sanity. Shawn might even out nerd Dean in that department. While Gus is also attractive and a nerd, he's not an alpha type, in my opinion.

[Trini]

On 11/11/2018 at 10:54 PM, BabySpinach said:

I do wonder, are there any other characters on TV of Jensen's physical type (tall, hunky, un-nerdy as possible) who are allowed to act as blatantly CUTE as Dean Winchester? I keep thinking back to 14.04, specifically Dean's reaction to the David Yeager figure's catchphrases and his horror movie binge while sprawled on a bed eating pizza. You'd think that a character with Dean's horrific past and Jensen's looks would be a strictly serious, brooding, badass type, but he's so often allowed to express genuine, unabashed childlike delight. Action hero + blatant nerd is a very unusual combination, and I feel that it's a big contributor to Dean's status as a genre fiction icon. 

 

Seriously, in all the TV I've watched, I don't think I've seen any other character like this: a Grade A all-American heartthrob type acting like a happy, boyish nerd (and coming across as even more likable for it). Most of the credit definitely goes to Jensen's natural knack for little non-verbal gestures and physical tics. He's always in the moment, reacting in small instinctive ways as if he actually were Dean. And Jensen understands, maybe subconsciously, that to be visibly passionate and enthusiastic is to be lovable.

Chuck Bartowski on Chuck.

[Aeryn13]

But Chuck looked super-nerdy on the show. It was a deliberate look for the character despite the actor's obvious good looks. 

Dean looks more like the action hero but nerds out also. It's like Batman nerding out.

Edited November 14, 2018 by Aeryn13