Episode Discussion: TFGH

[Cheyanne11]

1 hour ago, TVbitch said:

The Joss/Carly slumber party was sickening.

What, you mean watching Carly and her Mini-Me giggle about frozen pizza and mental hospital breakouts isn't everyone's idea of mother/daughter bonding at its best?

[LexieLily]

14 minutes ago, ciarra said:

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Lulu and Valentine are just as bad, which is the rumor I heard.  Or perhaps worse.

No, no, NO!!

[statsgirl]

8 minutes ago, ciarra said:

 He's very Sonny-like to get a woman he doesn't like pregnant, then schemes to take the baby away from her.   Michael hates Nelle because she's a murderer, yet he killed someone, and Sonny is a murderer (of M's own father, no less), but Nelle "must pay". 

One consistent thing about the Corinthos mob is that the demand that everyone else "must pay" but they themselves are always put-upon and treated very badly. See Carly, justified for attacking a nurse and escaping from a prison hospital twice because she wasn't treated like a hot house flower as she expected after she pleaded guilty.

[dubbel zout]

5 hours ago, statsgirl said:

The show is saying that Carly is going to be set free because giving her ECT without her consent is illegal (not true as a quick google search will show)

They're also saying that because they have Nelle's confession about killing Zach/k will be used to show she also isn't reliable with anything else, so Diane can get the sentence tossed out.

1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

According to the will he had Alexis draw up but hadn't signed yet, once the baby was born he/she became the sole heir to Michael's estate. If Nelle wanted to inherit the money herself, it had to be while Michael was intestate (before he signed the will).  So basically once Nelle heard that he was planning to divorce her as soon as the baby was born, her time line was very limited.

Could Nelle have fought Michael for the baby and child support?  It's what I would have done rather than kill him but I'm not a sociopath.

IRL in NYS, you can't cut a spouse out of the will, so Michael shouldn't have married Nelle in the first place, LOL. But who needs details, right? And Nelle wouldn't have needed child support, because Michael would have made sure she had no contact with it. Ugh.

Sonny's face while Michael was saying goodbye to his baby was hilarious: He closes his eyes as if he can't bear to watch, but instead Sonny looks as if he's exasperated instead.

[statsgirl]

I know Chase used Michael taking away the baby from her as a threat to get her to try to kill him but would a court really do that without any real proof that she was a danger to the child?  I suspect that Monica might help her fight it too, if the alternative was the baby living with Carly and Sonny.

4 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

They're also saying that because they have Nelle's confession about killing Zach/k will be used to show she also isn't reliable with anything else, so Diane can get the sentence tossed out.

But Carly plead guilty. Does that mean nothing?

[LexieLily]

27 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

They're also saying that because they have Nelle's confession about killing Zach/k will be used to show she also isn't reliable with anything else, so Diane can get the sentence tossed out.

But if Nelle knew the car was rigged, couldn't a competent (ha) lawyer claim those confessions were made under duress, that Nelle was only saying what she knew Michael wanted to hear so he would stop the car?

[ulkis]

To be fair to Michael, I don't think he decided to try to put Nelle away until she started scheming against his mom. I don't know. It all feels so long ago!

[rur]

10 hours ago, ciarra said:

My post won't edit.  I just want to add that I don't feel sorry for Michael at all.  He's very Sonny-like to get a woman he doesn't like pregnant, then schemes to take the baby away from her.   Michael hates Nelle because she's a murderer, yet he killed someone, and Sonny is a murderer (of M's own father, no less), but Nelle "must pay". 

Michael's killed two someones hasn't he? Claudia, and then someone in his apartment that he had Sonny's guys clean up?

Edited August 2, 2018 by rur
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[gp1999]

3 hours ago, rur said:

Micheal's killed two someones hasn't he? Claudia, and then someone in his apartment that he had Sonny's guys clean up?

When did the second one happen? 

[Katy M]

9 hours ago, statsgirl said:

Could Nelle have fought Michael for the baby and child support?  It's what I would have done rather than kill him but I'm not a sociopath.

She's not stupid.  She knows she could never win against the combined Corrinthos/Quartermaine faction.  Plus, then, if she did win, she'd have to take care of a screaming, brawling infant.  No uncaring, unfeeling person wants that.

[GHScorpiosRule]

10 hours ago, Melgaypet said:

He's an idiot.

I prefer SLS- Stupid Little Shit- myself. And it seems he hasn't grown out of it.

9 hours ago, ciarra said:

I just want to add that I don't feel sorry for Michael at all.  He's very Sonny-like to get a woman he doesn't like pregnant, then schemes to take the baby away from her.   Michael hates Nelle because she's a murderer, yet he killed someone, and Sonny is a murderer (of M's own father, no less), but Nelle "must pay". 

 

This must make Mooby SO proud--that the child he stole and raised to be just like him, is...just like him.

[Perkie]

9 hours ago, ciarra said:

Michael hates Nelle because she's a murderer, yet he killed someone,

I'll defend MIchael on this point.  He killed Claudia in defense of Carly and Joss.  He killed the hitman in his apartment in defence of Rosalie and himself.  Nelle planned and executed the killing of Zach becuase he was going to change his will and leave her nothing.  There's a huge difference between those two.  

7 hours ago, LexieLily said:

that Nelle was only saying what she knew Michael wanted to hear so he would stop the car?

Nelle herself is claiming that already as her defence.  She said it to both Brad and Michael (and maybe Ava?)

4 hours ago, gp1999 said:

When did the second one happen? 

Took me awhile to find it, but it was when Michael was against Sonny, Luke was Fluke and trying to get all the PC territory.  Fluke sent a hitman to Michael's apartment to kill him, so that he could take over ELQ and thus, somehow take over Sonny's territory. Rosalie was in the apartment with Michael, and he killed the hitman.  

[Sake614]

5 hours ago, gp1999 said:

When did the second one happen? 

what Perkie said!

Show cut out for breaking news with about 5 minutes left. What (if anything) did I miss?

Edited August 2, 2018 by Sake614

[Perkie]

13 minutes ago, Sake614 said:

Show cut out for breaking news with about 5 minutes left. What (if anything) did I miss?

Not sure where you were at in the storyline, but this was somewhere near the end of the episode:

Sonny finds Michael and baby in the chapel.  Michael blames himself.  Sonny reassures him.  Liz comes to take the baby away.

Nelle in her own bed by herself declares that Michael and family will never know that the baby is right under their noses.

Lucas and Brad and baby having happy moment together.

Joss and Carly hanging out eating frozen pizza.  

Stuff with Jason/Sam but that was slightly earlier, you may have seen it.  

[Asp Burger]

And in the previews for Thursday: Mary Pat looks alarmed because Curtis would like to discuss the Caroline Corinthos escape; Lulu Falconeri, Girl Reporter, asks Chase if he thinks there could be someone else who helped Nelle; Griffin and his running shorts catch Ava doing something sneaky, and ask her what she's doing; Nelle makes impoverished-child eyes at Kim and tells her that as soon as Kim releases her, she (Nelle) will be sent to jail; Michael is still cryin' in the chapel, and Sonny tells him to lean on him when he's not strong; Jason tells Carly she's never going back to Ferncliff.  

I have to say that recent days have shown the limitations of Duelly. He isn't terrible, but considering that Michael's a scion of two core families (ugh), and that age group is thin, he isn't...enough.

Hey, look at this, y'all. After 18 years, they're still getting a scene at the hospital when a baby supposedly dies! 

[Perkie]

Geez, Liz looks like she's 12 in that photo and yet also doesn't look like she's aged a day since then!

[GHScorpiosRule]

17 minutes ago, Perkie said:

Geez, Liz looks like she's 12 in that photo and yet also doesn't look like she's aged a day since then!

I was just going to say the same thing! That Becky hasn't aged a DAY! Can't say the same for Mo, though. Oooh Alliteration! Or is that rhyming?

[Sake614]

1 hour ago, Perkie said:

Stuff with Jason/Sam but that was slightly earlier, you may have seen it.  

Nope. I saw Brucas with the baby, Sam at the hospital with Liz, Jason telling Carly they're going to Canada but he has to do something first. And Michael asking Nelle how the baby died.

[TeeVee329]

22 minutes ago, Perkie said:

Geez, Liz looks like she's 12 in that photo and yet also doesn't look like she's aged a day since then!

I'm surprised that light touch of Liz's hand to Sonny's shoulder didn't result in a pregnancy.

[Perkie]

5 minutes ago, Sake614 said:

Nope. I saw Brucas with the baby, Sam at the hospital with Liz, Jason telling Carly they're going to Canada but he has to do something first. And Michael asking Nelle how the baby died.

Ahh, I thought you meant there was only 5 minutes left, but it sounds like you were only 5 minutes in.

 

Nelle blames Michael, saying the accident caused the baby to die.  No ti's your fault, No it's your fault.  Michael wants to spend time with the baby before having to go to the morgue.  

Brad shows up at the hospital, sees Michael with dead baby and wants to back out, but Nelle says no way hosay, stick with the plan.

Drunk Chase tells Lulu about the plan to get Nelle and that the baby died, which Ava overhears.  Chase blames himself.  Lulu drives him home (is this a chem test for them?)

Ava shows up at the hospital all, sorry your baby died.  Nelle's all, you're still an accomplice because of the blanket but I won't tell police about that.

Griffin and Kiki tell each other that they can't discuss the fact that they slept together and that Ava can never find out that they slept toghether and if Ava finds out that they slep together she'll take them out for having slept together.  Apparently they've slept together.  

Jason gets Joss and brings her to Carly.  Carly tells her about Nelle.  Joss is all, I can't beleive that I beleived that she was telling the truth, yada yada yada.  They hug and make up.  

Jason tells Sam that he and Carly are going to Canada and that Carly didn't consent to the treatment.  Sam says she'll investigate Fernclif.

 

I think that was the gist of it.  

[Sake614]

54 minutes ago, Perkie said:

Brad shows up at the hospital, sees Michael with dead baby and wants to back out, but Nelle says no way hosay, stick with the plan.

Drunk Chase tells Lulu about the plan to get Nelle and that the baby died, which Ava overhears.  Chase blames himself.  Lulu drives him home (is this a chem test for them?)

Ava shows up at the hospital all, sorry your baby died.  Nelle's all, you're still an accomplice because of the blanket but I won't tell police about that.

Griffin and Kiki tell each other that they can't discuss the fact that they slept together and that Ava can never find out that they slept toghether and if Ava finds out that they slep together she'll take them out for having slept together.  Apparently they've slept together.  

Jason gets Joss and brings her to Carly.  Carly tells her about Nelle.  Joss is all, I can't beleive that I beleived that she was telling the truth, yada yada yada.  They hug and make up.  

Jason tells Sam that he and Carly are going to Canada and that Carly didn't consent to the treatment.  Sam says she'll investigate Fernclif.

 

Okay I saw Chase and Lulu and knew he was hammered. But he just said since she's family she should know 'the plan.' Unless they kill Dante or they divorce off screen, I don't see them putting Lulu with anyone else. Certainly not his partner. But who knows? I also saw when Kiki told Griffin that Ava can't know they slept together. Because there's no better way to keep a secret safe than to discuss it IN PUBLIC!  

So supersleuth Sam is going to investigate Ferncliff? Oh boy! And even if Diane gets the original charge dropped, Carly is now a TWO TIME ESCAPED MENTAL PATIENT. She still assaulted a nurse and willingly went with an armed hitman the second time. In any sane universe (which, let's face it, GH is not), she'd at least be sent to Pentonville for the first crime.

[ulkis]

1 hour ago, Asp Burger said:

I have to say that recent days have shown the limitations of Duelly. He isn't terrible, but considering that Michael's a scion of two core families (ugh), and that age group is thin, he isn't...enough.

I'm not a fan of Chad Duell's but man oh man does the writing not help him. Has there ever been a character played by an actor his age that's been so infantalized? Lucky was friggin 16 and living on his own and the characters respected his abilitiies to deal with his problems on his own more than they do Michael.

[dubbel zout]

3 hours ago, Perkie said:

Nelle in her own bed by herself declares that Michael and family will never know that the baby is right under their noses.

This and only this part of the story is awesomely soapy.

2 hours ago, Perkie said:

Apparently they've slept together.  

What?! Next you'll be telling me that Lulu had an abortion.

1 hour ago, Sake614 said:

And even if Diane gets the original charge dropped, Carly is now a TWO TIME ESCAPED MENTAL PATIENT. She still assaulted a nurse and willingly went with an armed hitman the second time. In any sane universe (which, let's face it, GH is not), she'd at least be sent to Pentonville for the first crime.

But Carly shouldn't have been there in the first place, so of course she'll get everything dropped. And Jason was just doing what any good hit man BFF would do, so he's off the hook as well. 

1 hour ago, ulkis said:

Has there ever been a character played by an actor his age that's been so infantalized? Lucky was friggin 16 and living on his own and the characters respected his abilitiies to deal with his problems on his own more than they do Michael.

It's ridiculous. Spencer has more independence and agency than Michael. Hell, Avery does better than Michael.

[Katy M]

14 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

But Carly shouldn't have been there in the first place, so of course she'll get everything dropped. And Jason was just doing what any good hit man BFF would do, so he's off the hook as well. 

That actually bugs me about a lot of TV shows and movies.  Person is wrongfully convicted.  In the meantime, they break out of jail (not that I can much blame them on that one), assault guards to do it, shoot a police officer (who doesn't die luckily), cause thousands of dollars in damages to property in ridiculous car chases, and it all gets wiped out because of the original conviction.  I have no personal experience with this, but I feel like the only things that would be wiped out would be the original charge and maybe the jail escape.  Not the assaults and whatever happened in all the high speed car chases.

[Perkie]

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

Next you'll be telling me that Lulu had an abortion.

Now that's just crazy talk.  Though I think I heard that Morgan died.  

[TeeVee329]

Joss: It's like she [Nelle] did this to us on purpose!

Me: Yeah, how dare somebody target your family given how well they treat everyone around them. #alltheyerolls

Edited August 2, 2018 by TeeVee329

[Pingaponga]

So, have they just dropped the Alexis-learning-about-her-father story line (or whatever it was that she was doing), and the Josslyn stealing clothes/pulling clothes out of her bag with the security tag on story line, and Liz's old friend/now new doctor at GH/Franco was threatened until he learned the he is now a she story line?  And whatever else they have started and then abruptly stopped?  It seems weird to start things like this and then abruptly drop them. 

[TeeVee329]

The way the show's trying to write Carly out of Ferncliff is even more contrived and annoying that the usual get out of jail free cards.  At this point, I'd rather Carly save the governor's dog and get pardoned.

Previews...

Joss (to Nelle): You messed with the wrong family, bitch!

Me: UUUGGGHHH!

Just stop it, Show.  Stop it.  Joss is not Carly.  She's not even Starr!

I'm also going to hazard a guess that Joss will accidentally kill (or "kill") Nelle and then the Corinthii will nash their teeth and whine and try and cover it up.

Edited August 2, 2018 by TeeVee329

[dubbel zout]

13 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

Joss: It's like she [Nelle] did this to us on purpose!

Me: Yeah, how dare somebody target your family given how well they treat everyone around them. #alltheyerolls

The Corinthos Persecution Complex strikes again. Ugh.

[Cheyanne11]

4 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

Joss: You messed with the wrong family, bitch!

Me: UUUGGGHHH!

Just stop it, Show.  Stop it.  Joss is not Carly.  She's not even Starr!

So annoying because it's not like the Corinthii are strong and noble and stick together through thick and thin.  No, it's more like they cannot stand to not lord it over everyone else and if someone dares to usurp them?  Call Jason the Bulldog to take care of it.

Seriously, THIS is supposed to be the centerpiece family of the show?  At least the Qs had a sense of humor about themselves.  

[ulkis]

8 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

Joss (to Nelle): You messed with the wrong family, bitch!

Me: :singing 'die, Joss die' to the tune of "Faces of the Heart": 

Die, Joss, die! Doo dee doo doo dee doo! na na na na na na na!

[LexieLily]

18 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

Joss: It's like she [Nelle] did this to us on purpose!

Me: Yeah, how dare somebody target your family given how well they treat everyone around them. #alltheyerolls

I can't imagine why someone would target the Corinthos clan on purpose, they act like such lovely people. 

[TeeVee329]

I mean, obnoxious entitlement aside, this actress is not Sarah Brown or even a pre-drippy Starr Kristen Alderson.  She's not a sassy spitfire who can pull off something like that, she's just not.

Congratulations, Show, you got me to loathe Jax's only child.  ARE YOU HAPPY NOW?!?!

Edited August 2, 2018 by TeeVee329

[LexieLily]

2 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

I mean, obnoxious entitlement aside, this actress is not Sarah Brown or even a pre-drippy Starr Kristen Alderson.  She's not a sassy spitfire who can pull off something like that, she's just not.

Congratulations, Show, you got me to loathe Jax's only child.  ARE YOU HAPPY NOW?!?!

She's not even angry anymore that Sonny got her father unable to come to the US, for heaven's sake. 

[ulkis]

Sonny, Carly, Michael and Morgan. Those four I bought as a family. The show did not show the rest of them becoming this cohesive Brady Bunch unit. Just one day filler Joss shows up and all of a sudden it's "Uncle Sonny" and "I can't imagine leaving Dante and Kristina off my family tree!" and meanwhile she acts like she doesn't know her actual fucking cousin/godmother/wife of the stepbro she just can't leave off her family tree. It makes me hate Joss all the more because she is the one who continually brings up their family. No, JAX is her family, show, the guy her stepdaddy has fucked with many times before.

Edited August 3, 2018 by ulkis

[Hater]

The fact that the general audience appears to eat this Cortinthii shit up makes me loathe the show even more.  The unholy trio and their tag alongs are the worst things that ever happened to this show.

[dubbel zout]

Rocco is lucky Chase didn't smack him before he was fully awake. You don't play with someone's eyes.

Griffin, why is it okay for you to be on the docks during the day but not Ava? Shut up.

2 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

4 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

I mean, obnoxious entitlement aside, this actress is not Sarah Brown or even a pre-drippy Starr Kristen Alderson.  She's not a sassy spitfire who can pull off something like that, she's just not.

Congratulations, Show, you got me to loathe Jax's only child.  ARE YOU HAPPY NOW?!?!

She's not even angry anymore that Sonny got her father unable to come to the US, for heaven's sake. 

Of course not—Joss now understands that Sonny is always right.

[ulkis]

13 minutes ago, Hater said:

The fact that the general audience appears to eat this Cortinthii shit up makes me loathe the show even more.  The unholy trio and their tag alongs are the worst things that ever happened to this show.

I don't think they do. I don't think they hate them that much, but I don't think they like them as much as the show thinks they do.

[ulkis]

I would like to know what/where the hell is this Kuhnduh place Sam talked about. 

[LexieLily]

Is Sonny or the show going to remember Sonny's stillborn daughter with Sam and use that as a way for Sonny to bond with and try to comfort Michael?

[statsgirl]

I think that may have been the worst episode of GH I've ever seen. It's a toss-up between the smugness of the Corinthos clan and Carly getting out of jail when I think she needs to be punished more, and that breaks-all-logical-rules where Sam and Curtis make up a fictional mental health agency and Mary Pat not knowing the simplest things about awards (like they never give you advance warning so you can clean up your act before the decision and especially that if they look at a patient's file, it's always as a number with the reveal of the name in a locked cabinet

Can Nelle kill Joss please?  They can give Jax another previously-unknown child. Really, it would be a benefit to the world.

CD has picked up MB's acting ticks. It's not surprising that  Michael has his stepfather's gestures but it does CD no favours.

12 hours ago, Katy M said:

She's not stupid.  She knows she could never win against the combined Corrinthos/Quartermaine faction. 

I'd like to think that Monica would help her.  She can't want another Quartermaine child raised by the Corinthii to hate his parental family.

5 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

I'm also going to hazard a guess that Joss will accidentally kill (or "kill") Nelle and then the Corinthii will nash their teeth and whine and try and cover it up.

 

They will gloat, say that Nelle deserved it and Jason will cover it up.

Edited August 3, 2018 by statsgirl

[LillyB]

OMFG, so Joss was raised to be honorable by fucking dishonerable Carson per Jason who wouldn't know honorable if it slapped him in the face. eg offering to take out Julian just because.

[TeeVee329]

8 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Can Nelle kill Joss please?

Seriously.  She hates Carly, she hates Michael, she's murdered before, and she literally has nothing to lose by choking Joss with her own hair.

[Linny]

My biggest gripe with Joss right now is she's a brainless dolt who responds to whoever happens to be spoon-feeding her at the moment. Nelle sold her on the idea of her romance with Michael, told Joss how important she was to Nelle and the baby, and Joss gobbled it up because she liked the picture it painted. Now that she's confronted with a hurt Michael and a dead baby, she's immediately lashing out and going so far as to accuse Nelle of murdering her own child. There's no nuance to her thoughts, no shades of gray, she's easily able to go from wholeheartedly defending Nelle to wholeheartedly demonizing her. She's accepting of Jason's belief that "people have agendas" without considering that her mother had an agenda, too, and treated Nelle like shit the entirety of her relationship with Michael, and that certainly contributed to Nelle feeling like gaslighting was an acceptable course of action. She's not willing to look beyond what's right in front of her face because it's easier to dole out righteous indignation and call women bitches just like Carly taught her.

[TeeVee329]

10 minutes ago, Linny said:

She's [Joss's] not willing to look beyond what's right in front of her face because it's easier to dole out righteous indignation and call women bitches just like Carly taught her.

Yes, this!  Well said!

[ciarra]

8 hours ago, Perkie said:

He killed Claudia in defense of Carly and Joss. 

On the other hand, Claudia was 100 pounds soaking wet and didn't need to be bludgeoned to death.  I don't remember, was she armed?  I thought she just had Joss in a carseat?

[ulkis]

12 minutes ago, ciarra said:

On the other hand, Claudia was 100 pounds soaking wet and didn't need to be bludgeoned to death.  I don't remember, was she armed?  I thought she just had Joss in a carseat?

30 of those pounds were in her biceps though.

53 minutes ago, Linny said:

She's accepting of Jason's belief that "people have agendas" without considering that her mother had an agenda, too, and treated Nelle like shit the entirety of her relationship with Michael, and that certainly contributed to Nelle feeling like gaslighting was an acceptable course of action. 

Carly is a beast and all but nothing she did really justifies Nelle using her dead son to try to drive her into a breakdown. That said, Joss is pretty much a twit.

[bannana]

25 minutes ago, ulkis said:

30 of those pounds were in her biceps though.

Carly is a beast and all but nothing she did really justifies Nelle using her dead son to try to drive her into a breakdown. That said, Joss is pretty much a twit.

Earlier in Nelle's pregnancy, Carly harangued her and kept taunting her about her prior mental health issues, and about being committed.  That is when Nelle devised her idiotic plot to gaslight Carly.

[Oracle42]

2 hours ago, ciarra said:

On the other hand, Claudia was 100 pounds soaking wet and didn't need to be bludgeoned to death.  I don't remember, was she armed?  I thought she just had Joss in a carseat?

Yeah, she was holding the baby when Michael burst in in a rage and hit her from behind with an axe/axe handle.

Sason covered it up and buried the body in the Pine Barrens. Then Franco dug up the body to get to Jason.

Edited August 2, 2018 by Oracle42

[LadyDot]

Note to Joss detractors:  Joss is 15 years old.  What do you expect?  Look at all the melodrama she was raised with.  Of course she is a twit.