Episode Discussion: TFGH

[TeeVee329]

23 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Same here, probably because it has to do with Anna still being fixated on Valentin.

I can't even remember, is Anna still working for the WSB or some other agency, or she is out here drugging chicks on her own time and dime?

Edited September 20, 2017 by TeeVee329

[dubbel zout]

I think it's on her own time and dime. Didn't the WSB peace out on all of this after the embarrassment in The Hague of Valentin not being convicted? 

[Chairperson Meow]

6 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

Contradicting everything we've seen on-screen since Jake(son) hit the scene. 

But it's a pretty standard soap trope.  I remember Jessica on OLTL, out of nooowhere, saying that she didn't feel as connected to VicTodd as she had been before his face changed right as the Tale of Two Todds was really ramping up.

Yeah,  but that dude was acting really weird.   For years.   But it did explain years of bad writing.  I can literally imagine a scene where Steve Jason yells angrily at San that she should have known he would never tell Sonny no.  Then he threatens to kill her, her kids, and her family.  But its okay because he's a killer who has brain damage

[peachmangosteen]

2 hours ago, Linny said:

But the book Parker was holding had Jane Austen's name misspelled, so good job, prop department.

LMAO!

Are we supposed to find this Anna/Finn stuff cute?

Kristina looked terrible today. 

[dubbel zout]

2 hours ago, statsgirl said:

What is it with the weird highlights on the women's hair today?  Molly, Kristina, Parker, Kiki and even Cassandra looked like they had had a bucket of highlighter dumped over them.

HE's Lauren has always roots showing, I think, as has the Parker actor. Jessica Tuck is 54 and in that weird limbo land of blonde and gray. Gray hair absorbs dye differently so can look weird. I am also living this. (#thestruggleisreal) LA's hair is pretty terrible, but I don't really mind HP's. It makes her look a lot older than LA, though LA looks 12 no matter how they try to age her.

[statsgirl]

Lol at spelling Jane Austen's name wrong.

Was the doctor at the Shriner's hospital a real doctor (the blurb said there would be some real doctors and nurses in the storyline) or was he just a very bad actor playing drunk?

[Perkie]

3 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

Wait, so Anna drugged Jessica Tuck to facilitate a meet-cute between her and Dr. Michael Easton?  I mean, I guess that's standard spy stuff, but something about it rubbed me the wrong way.

The way it went down was weird and creepy.  Anna walks in, stops the waiter, puts drops in one of the drinks.  How did she know those drinks were going to that table?  How did she know Jessica Tuck would be the one drinking the cup with the whatever in it?  How did she know Finn would have the antidote in his little black bag?  Or that Jessica Tuck didn't have a medical condition that would be affected by whatever toxin Anna gave her?  It was all so wrong.  

46 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Was the doctor at the Shriner's hospital a real doctor

He looked familiar to me, so I think he was an actor.  Can people just show up at Shriner's Hospital and be seen right away?  Wouldn't you need an appointment?  Or a referral from your family doctor?  

Did anyone else notice some random guy, with one of those Shriners beanie caps on, walk by in the background in one of the Valentin/Lulu scenes?  

[dubbel zout]

54 minutes ago, Perkie said:

 Can people just show up at Shriner's Hospital and be seen right away?  Wouldn't you need an appointment?  Or a referral from your family doctor?  

Valentin made the arrangements.

ETA: Does Lulu believe Valentin about his scoliosis? She was looking at him skeptically, unless that's just a general thing (or ER's face). I'm kind of on his side that she really doesn't need to know everything about him. I thought she was rude to demand intimate details of his life. I thought it was weird she told him she believed he loved Charlotte and wanted the best for her. When was that ever in doubt? He hasn't  been gracious about custody 100 percent of the time, but that was always only directed at Lulu. That conversation was weird, IMO.

Edited September 20, 2017 by dubbel zout

[statsgirl]

Since Valentin killed Lulu's brother, and various other people, and kept Charlotte's existence from Lulu and then refused to let her take a mother role (although some of that is on Lulu).  It's not surprising that she thinks he's not capable of loving someone.

Unless they parent Charlotte in a state of armed hostility, Lulu needs to have some respect if not sympathy for Valentin.  Knowing about the problems he faced is a good way to get there.

[LexieLily]

5 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Since Valentin killed Lulu's brother, and various other people, and kept Charlotte's existence from Lulu and then refused to let her take a mother role (although some of that is on Lulu).  It's not surprising that she thinks he's not capable of loving someone.

Unless they parent Charlotte in a state of armed hostility, Lulu needs to have some respect if not sympathy for Valentin.  Knowing about the problems he faced is a good way to get there.

I agree with all of this, though needing respect if not civility for the other coparent works both ways. Valentin needs to have some respect for Lulu as well or at least for her role as Charlotte's mother. So far I have yet to see that from him in any genuine capacity.

Edited September 21, 2017 by LexieLily

[statsgirl]

Yeah. Valentin has been pretty bad towards Lulu. And from the scenes today, it looks like that's not going to change.  If nothing else he should appreciate that Lulu took good care of Charlotte while he was in prison.

Edited September 21, 2017 by statsgirl

[LexieLily]

If nothing else. If Valentin had his way I'm sure Charlotte would have been in foster care rather than with Lulu, because Nina alone wouldn't have had rights to raise Charlotte.

[coffee drinker]

10 hours ago, Darklazr said:

Helena enjoyed tormenting the Spencer's, Emily, Elizabeth and making snide remarks to Alexis, but never gave a shit about Sonny, Carly, Jason or Sam.  Nope.  Never!  It is only under this regime that Helena hurled nasty remarks at Sam or even bothered to speak her name out loud.  

Franco sucks, period.  

#FreeElizabethImogene Webber!

I still see no need to give Jason a freaking twin.  Why can't Fake Jason just be some poor stooge that looked enough like Jason that he was used by Helena and Victor?!  

There was never any medical determination that Alexis was/is Sam's mother.  It was all off of some stoopid J/S logic of a yearbook picture!  J/S too stoopid to live 99.9% of the time.  

[amaranta]

Putting Kristina in a matronly blouse to try and age her up in appearance did not work.  At all. 

Probably not going to happen but I wouldn't mind a scene with Jessica Tuck and JDP; that would be a nice nostalgic moment  - at least for me.

And I can't see Jessica in a soap setting and not think of Joe Lando.  I wonder whatever happened to him, after Dr. Quinn? 

(Yes, I miss OLTL - that show and GH were my soaps, going back to my college days.)

[Star Aristille]

6 hours ago, statsgirl said:

Yeah. Valentin has been pretty bad towards Lulu. And from the scenes today, it looks like that's not going to change.

Oh.  Okay.  So the guy reacts to being reminded of a terrible time in his life, and that counts as him being "pretty bad" towards Lulu?  Good to know.

[P3pp3rb1rd]

Carly pretends to be a concerned mother, but she is just a derivative of the Aunt Stella busybody trope.   The scenario: Carly rudely demands that Michael complies immediately to change his life when she snaps her fingers. All he can do is stare at her, shocked speechless. Cut to commercial. Then afterward he has found his voice and refuses. By now he should know the game, and just refuse to talk to Carly. I'd love to see her head explode.

Parker and Kristina would never have it out in the classroom; they'd go to Parker's office to have privacy. Having taught similar subject matter in a university, I thought the classroom scene was fairly well done, though more like high school than college. It's not unusual for the lecturer to instruct the class about general truths of a writer's oeuvre. Parker just wasn't choosing to use Socratic methods to teach (as Kingsfield does in Harvard Law School in The Paper Chase). Her use of pictures or PowerPoints to illustrate was weak though. She was dropping some big points on the class and giving examples. I would have been writing them with referenced examples on a chalkboard to prompt the students to take organized notes or using a projector to ensure that the PowerPoints could be seen and read by the back row of the class. I didn't look at the name on the book. If it was misspelled, that was a walloping mistake by Parker, who would have been responsible for selecting the texts that the class was studying. The actress who played Parker seemed pretty nervous, probably because she had to memorize so much for the scene,

Edited September 21, 2017 by P3pp3rb1rd

[P3pp3rb1rd]

Kiki's fast-track MD is just pure fantasy. She doesn't have the structural underpinning in science, anatomy, chemistry, math, and biology. It's as insulting to the audience as expecting us to believe that Franco is a worthwhile artist whose works would show groundbreaking themes and idiosyncratic use of color, line, light, or materials. He doesn't ever reference famous artists who have preceded him. He's supposed to be a natural genius who doesn't need to have studied and absorbed famous examples in the history of art. Franco as an artist is pure bullshit, as is Kiki's bullshit medical training.

[P3pp3rb1rd]

Anna has really unraveled as a sleuth, asking an MD to drug her subjects instead of using her own brain to investigate the old-fashioned way. And Finn is completely unprincipled as a doctor to agree to help her. I gag that these two are paired, and that his last name is Finola Hughes' first (she's always referred to as "Fin" when written about in fan mags). So cute, no?

[Sake614]

11 hours ago, amaranta said:

Joe Lando.  I wonder whatever happened to him, after Dr. Quinn?

He had a short-lived series where he played a cop of some kind. Just checked his IMDB page and he's still working. In fact, there was some sort of Dr. Quinn reunion three years ago that I knew nothing about!

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0484880/?ref_=nv_sr_1

11 hours ago, amaranta said:

Joe Lando.  I wonder whatever happened to him, after Dr. Quinn?

Edited September 21, 2017 by Sake614

[TeeVee329]

6 hours ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

Anna has really unraveled as a sleuth, asking an MD to drug her subjects instead of using her own brain to investigate the old-fashioned way. And Finn is completely unprincipled as a doctor to agree to help her.

To be fair, Anna did the drugging without Dr. Michael Easton's knowledge, I believe.

[dubbel zout]

Finn was appalled that Anna drugged Cassandra.

[statsgirl]

By 1947, penicillin had become the standard treatment for syphilis. Choices available to the doctors involved in the study might have included treating all syphilitic subjects and closing the study, or splitting off a control group for testing with penicillin. Instead, the Tuskegee scientists continued the study without treating any participants; they withheld penicillin and information about it from the patients. In addition, scientists prevented participants from accessing syphilis treatment programs available to other residents in the area.[7] The study continued, under numerous US Public Health Service supervisors, until 1972, when a leak to the press resulted in its termination on November 16 of that year.[8] The victims of the study, all African American, included numerous men who died of syphilis, 40 wives who contracted the disease, and 19 children born with congenital syphilis.Doctors are often unprincipled.  Just ask the people in Montreal whose brains were permanently affected by the doctors experimenting on them with LSD without their knowledge and being paid by the CIA.  Or the African-Americans in Tuskegee

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The Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male, also known as the Tuskegee Syphilis Study or Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment  was an infamous clinical study conducted between 1932 and 1972 by the U.S. Public Health Service. The purpose of this study was to observe the natural progression of untreated syphilis in rural African-American men in Alabama under the guise of receiving free health care from the United States government....

The men were told that the study was only going to last six months but in actuality it lasted 40 years.[ After funding for treatment was lost, the study was continued without informing the men they would never be treated. None of the men infected were ever told they had the disease, and none were treated with penicillin even after the antibiotic was proven to successfully treat syphilis.,,

By 1947, penicillin had become the standard treatment for syphilis. Choices available to the doctors involved in the study might have included treating all syphilitic subjects and closing the study, or splitting off a control group for testing with penicillin. Instead, the Tuskegee scientists continued the study without treating any participants; they withheld penicillin and information about it from the patients. In addition, scientists prevented participants from accessing syphilis treatment programs available to other residents in the area. The study continued, under numerous US Public Health Service supervisors, until 1972, when a leak to the press resulted in its termination on November 16 of that year.[8] The victims of the study, all African American, included numerous men who died of syphilis, 40 wives who contracted the disease, and 19 children born with congenital syphilis.

10 hours ago, Star Aristille said:

Oh.  Okay.  So the guy reacts to being reminded of a terrible time in his life, and that counts as him being "pretty bad" towards Lulu?  Good to know.

Valentin was already remembering it just by the fact that he's in a hospital with Charlotte's friend show may have the same condition.  Lulu reaching out and trying to connect emotionally to him is a standard "let's break down the walls between us" move and his reaction shows that the writers aren't going there.

Edited September 21, 2017 by statsgirl

[Darklazr]

17 hours ago, coffee drinker said:

There was never any medical determination that Alexis was/is Sam's mother.  It was all off of some stoopid J/S logic of a yearbook picture!  J/S too stoopid to live 99.9% of the time.  

I think Alexis said she gave birth to a boy and not one person ran a DNA test on Sam.... RME.  It's the same stupid shit with Scotty being Franco's father and Jeff being HateChel's father without one flipping DNA test.  We never saw Kiki's DNA test that Ava ran and don't get me started on those flipping DNA tests that Heather tampered with when Sam had Danny.

GH should have had the guts to write Sam finding out that she was NOT Alexis daughter when she gave birth to Scout and a huge story on how that impacted the Davis bunch and Alexis no longer wanting to search for her missing son.   

[TeeVee329]

Nope, no more stories about Sam's parentage.  There's no need to make her Rex Balsom.

[Darklazr]

2 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

Nope, no more stories about Sam's parentage.  There's no need to make her Rex Balsom.

Oooooh.  Do NOT get me started on turning Rexx and David Vickers into Buchanan's.  Nooooooooooo!  I loved David, but there was no need to make him Bo's son and Clint already had three sons in Cord, Kevin and Joey.

[amaranta]

2 hours ago, Sake614 said:

He had a short-lived series where he played a cop of some kind. Just checked his IMDB page and he's still working. In fact, there was some sort of Dr. Quinn reunion three years ago that I knew nothing about!

I also checked his IMDB page after I posted - I was kind of musing out loud.  I admit that I haven't heard of any of those titles but am glad he's working.

On topic - Sonny still sucks. Carly is still a hypocrite.  And in yesterday's episode the writing for Anna was just plain weird.

[OnceSane]

Stay on topic, please; history belongs in the History thread.

[statsgirl]

Ava, sweetheart, ketamine is pronounce with a short 'e'.  How did everyone miss that?  And of course SBu's Jason is so strong he can fight against a tranquilizer used on horses.

Did MB lose his razor?  Or is Sonny so affected by Jason's coma he forgets to shave?   He looks like the wino on the corner.

Finally, I'm interested in a Jordan/Curtis scene. I glad she stood firm about Curtis working for Sonny.  Even if he's only involved in the legitimate business, it gives Sonny more room for his illegal ones.

Parker and Kristina still look liked they had a bucket of highlights dumped on their heads, and they're still boring.  And wow, how can Parker be more upset about the past than the fact that Kristina needs to have an armed bodyguard.  That's so twisted.

Valentin was creepy today.  Alternating weeks with him and Lulu is going to hurt Charlotte because of the lack of stability especially during the school year.  If he really loved her, he'd let her stay at Lulu's for the school year and take her for the summers and Christmas.

[Cheyanne11]

3 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

 

Valentin was creepy today.  Alternating weeks with him and Lulu is going to hurt Charlotte because of the lack of stability especially during the school year.  If he really loved her, he'd let her stay at Lulu's for the school year and take her for the summers and Christmas.

Disagree.  They live about two minutes away from each other, so her disruption of daily routines would be minimal.  And people do this sort of joint custody all the time. 

[dubbel zout]

13 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

18 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Valentin was creepy today.  Alternating weeks with him and Lulu is going to hurt Charlotte because of the lack of stability especially during the school year.  If he really loved her, he'd let her stay at Lulu's for the school year and take her for the summers and Christmas.

Disagree.  They live about two minutes away from each other, so her disruption of daily routines would be minimal.  And people do this sort of joint custody all the time. 

Windermere is Charlotte's main home—shouldn't she stay there most of the time?

BM is back, so at last we get some forward motion on this dumb story. And LOL that Jason? is George Constanza and hates having the sheets tucked into corners.

I don't care, I'm loving Valentin constantly one-upping Lulu. 

The dramatic close up of SBu's eyes was UCG, especially with the dramatic! music cue. It also never fails to amuse me that SBu looks like Hannibal Lecter lite. Hee.

Edited September 21, 2017 by dubbel zout

[LexieLily]

13 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Valentin was creepy today.  Alternating weeks with him and Lulu is going to hurt Charlotte because of the lack of stability especially during the school year.  If he really loved her, he'd let her stay at Lulu's for the school year and take her for the summers and Christmas.

He really suggested that? Yes, they live in the same town and so Charlotte's school wouldn't change, but alternating weeks isn't beneficial to Charlotte. It's clear that despite how Lulu feels about Valentin - and she has every right in the world to feel that way - right now Lulu has "temporary full custody" and she is allowing Charlotte ample access to Valentin via visits and overnights and phone calls. Just this week Lulu took Charlotte to Valentin at Wyndemere because Charlotte was upset. There's no reason that should change. If they must do joint custody, do what you suggested and let Charlotte live with Lulu full-time and Valentin can have her on weekends.

[Linny]

Well well well, look who has a face again. Nobody at this fancy care facility can be bothered to shave down that beard? I've had more than enough of Sonny being Sam's shoulder to lean on throughout all this. Can't we see her with one of her sisters, Michael, MONICA? 

Bailey's mom inviting Valentin to speak with the doctor about Bailey's treatment was a touch weird to me. Yeah, he's got experience with scoliosis, but I don't know that he needs details about a near stranger's medical care. Lulu's warning about Charlotte learning the truth about Valentin and turning against him would carry more weight if this show wasn't packed with children who turn a blind eye to their parents' misdeeds.

They really spent money on ads showing Steve Burton on a motorcycle like he's a badass, only for him to spend his first days back on the job sitting in front of a window like a potted fern. Apparently he's a super powerful potted fern, though, and maybe someday he'll show those powers off in ways other than lifting himself six inches out of his chair. I don't know why but I expected more from his return, and so far it's the opposite of riveting. I am amused that all his scenes have been with Ava and he's on the opposite side of the world from Sam, which I'm sure is causing distress for all the Kelly Monaco/Steve Burton fans on twitter. 

[TeeVee329]

Boring episode, including Burton and his Bane mask.

And here's an easy solution to the Lulu/Valentin custody battle - send that stupid, pointless kid to boarding school.

Edited September 21, 2017 by TeeVee329

[Vella]

Burton looked like a reject from Mortal Kombat with that mask. I haven't watched in over a week, so today was a gloriously hilarious surprise at Burton getting the royal "he's so LETHAL!" treatment.  I wonder if BM is thinking about all the lovely auditions he'll be going on soon and poor MW, having to gasp and awe and marvel at how amazing Sub-Zero is at whatever he's doing.

And Parker? Is a freaking manipulative predator.  Suddenly, she can't? She's backing off because of her career and boo hoo, she never wanted to lead Kristina on?

BULLSHIT.  She totally meant to lead Kristina on, just like last time.

[seasons]

Guess there are no medical privacy laws in Russia.

[seasons]

Parker and Kristina.

Who cares.

Also, eew.

[seasons]

Oh, please.

The doctor opens the door practically just so Ava can overhear. He should just hand her the damn phone, FFS. 

 

This SB return is moving ridiculously slow, even in soap time. His eyes are on one day then he's not on at all yesterday. I think that Special K is tranquilizing someone, that's for sure.

Lol street cred Ava. Girl knows her drugs.

[dubbel zout]

15 minutes ago, seasons said:

Lol street cred Ava. Girl knows her drugs.

That cracked me up, too. I half expected her to ask why he wasn't on [similar drugs and their street names]. Hee.

[Chairperson Meow]

2 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

Boring episode, including Burton and his Bane mask.

And here's an easy solution to the Lulu/Valentin custody battle - send that stupid, pointless kid to boarding school.

God I want Bane Jason to be a story 

[honeydo7]

Joe Lando appeared with Jane Seymour in an old Hallmark TV movie, playing her ex-husband.  And I think Jane's daughter appeared in that movie too, playing her daughter.

[LexieLily]

What a horrible message to send. Not only does Valentin get away with murdering Nikolas and shooting Kevin, he maliciously kept Lulu's daughter from her for seven years, alienated the child against her mother until forced to share her, and now he has gotten away with murdering Nikolas again. He has bribed a witness and is using that to manipulate Lulu into forgoing the family court system because he is afraid he will lose, and bullied Lulu into shared custody.

I feel so sorry for Lulu and for Charlotte.

[TeeVee329]

At least Valentin didn't hang anybody from a meat hook.

[Darklazr]

I love that Valentine constantly wins against LuLu and hope that never changes, because sooner or later Charlotte's biological mother Claudette will show up in town.   Charlotte and Rocco are the same age.

[dubbel zout]

Valentin kept Charlotte from Lulu, but how did he alienate Charlotte against Lulu? He never talked against Lulu to Charlotte, and it wasn't wrong he wanted to introduce Lulu slowly into Charlotte's life. Before that point, Charlotte had had three fathers (mostly Claudette's fault), lost the woman she thought was her mother (definitely Valentin's fault), and was being told Lulu was actually her real mom. Going slowly, and with professional supervision, was not cruel. Lulu kept saying she wanted what was best for Charlotte, and that was it, even if she was understandably anxious to speed things up. 

ETA:

1 hour ago, Darklazr said:

Charlotte's biological mother Claudette

Lulu is Charlotte's bio mom; Claudette is her surrogate. Please don't let Claudette return. The custody crap is unwatchable as is. I don't want her sticking her nose into it. Or anywhere else.

Edited September 21, 2017 by dubbel zout

[Darklazr]

3 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Valentin kept Charlotte from Lulu, but how did he alienate Charlotte against Lulu? He never talked against Lulu to Charlotte, and it wasn't wrong he wanted to introduce Lulu slowly into Charlotte's life. Before that point, Charlotte had had three fathers (mostly Claudette's fault), lost the woman she thought was her mother (definitely Valentin's fault), and was being told Lulu was actually her real mom. Going slowly, and with professional supervision, was not cruel. Lulu kept saying she wanted what was best for Charlotte, and that was it, even if she was understandably anxious to speed things up. 

ETA:

Lulu is Charlotte's bio mom; Claudette is her surrogate. Please don't let Claudette return. The custody crap is unwatchable as is. I don't want her sticking her nose into it. Or anywhere else.

Claudette needs to come get her kid and take a few others off the show!

[statsgirl]

4 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Disagree.  They live about two minutes away from each other, so her disruption of daily routines would be minimal.  And people do this sort of joint custody all the time. 

They do, but it's not the best one for the child because they're always having to switch houses and constantly pack their bags for the next home. What if Charlotte wants to wear an outfit or read at book that is at the other parent's house?  The parents who really want what's best for their children let the children stay in the family home and the parents move in and out by the week. This is impossible for Lulu because she has Rocco and Valentin would never agree to it but that's what a "putting the child's interest first" plan looks like.

Also Valentin lives on an island that they can only reach by launch so it's not really two minutes away.

3 hours ago, seasons said:

Lol street cred Ava. Girl knows her drugs.

Just not the correct pronounciation.

[Chairperson Meow]

2 hours ago, LexieLily said:

What a horrible message to send. Not only does Valentin get away with murdering Nikolas and shooting Kevin, he maliciously kept Lulu's daughter from her for seven years, alienated the child against her mother until forced to share her, and now he has gotten away with murdering Nikolas again. He has bribed a witness and is using that to manipulate Lulu into forgoing the family court system because he is afraid he will lose, and bullied Lulu into shared custody.

I feel so sorry for Lulu and for Charlotte.

Eh.  It's not that bad considering all the leads are either murderers or have been involved in a murder.

[ulkis]

slow clap once again to Frank Valentini for another crappy return. Jason/Steve Burton should have driven in and smashed through the door of the Metro Court, jumped off, punched Franco in the face, and said, "Carly, it's me! Where's Sam?" And then Jason spends the next week sitting down, because you know Burton would sprain himself jumping off the motorcycle.

It would have been dumb and cheesy as hell but at least maybe it would wake the audience up for half a minute.

[yowsah1]

2 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

At least Valentin didn't hang anybody from a meat hook.

On TFGH, people who steal children away from loving parents and keep them away for years on end are heroes.

[nilyank]

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 Lulu's warning about Charlotte learning the truth about Valentin and turning against him would carry more weight if this show wasn't packed with children who turn a blind eye to their parents' misdeeds.

Starting with Lulu herself. How many years after she reached adulthood and found out  who Luke really was and she still has not turned away from him. And unlike Luke, Valentin didn't give up raising his young daughter to her grandmother, brothers and stepmother when her mother was ill and in a catatonic state for years. Charlotte will be fine.