Episode Discussion: TFGH

[Ambrosefolly]

4 hours ago, ulkis said:

And before that, how Kiki said "how can I be happy without you?" two seconds after she met the guy.

I actually don't think we're supposed to forget, I just think the show wants us to think that Morgan was her first love and Michael was her second. Which, come on, sorry, but each time Kiki was with Morgan her thoughts started wandering a week later.  (Except for when Morgan cheated with Denise/Ava first, and they were also only together for two seconds then.) Morgan wasn't any kind of love for her, except perhaps the friendship kind.

No, she said 5 star restaurant.

 

Absolutely and frankly they should have never been friends, I place most of that blame on Kiki rather than Morgan. She treated him poorly and took him back when Michael when touch her. Fuck Carly, I need Michael to come in and read her for filth. 

[ciarra]

Wow, Morgan got more mail in a couple of months than I did in the past five years.  I'm sure that top letter was from Publisher's Clearing House, though, so I doesn't count as real mail.

Please Sam, tear up the note and burn it, then bury the ashes.

[stlbf]

8 hours ago, Perkie said:

I thought that's why we were having the scenes.  They had to put the Ava stuff on hold while they did the Nelle stuff, so now they're bringing it back up.  

I had to laugh at the giant stack of mail that Morgan's gotten in the past couple of months.  

Today was the day that I really  believe my theory that this Lulu/Charlotte story is being written for ER's maternity leave exit.  The first time that I truly thought Lulu is becoming a complete wackadoo and will need to be carted off to Ferncliff for a couple of months.  Her reaction to Kevin's very logical suggestions was just scary.  

Yup. This is why I still think that this whole Lulu is Charlotte's biological mother is bullshit and only part of Valentin's long game. Which is to get Nina's fortune, torment Anna and The Spencers. Claudette is Charlotte's mother. Why else would she have cared about the girl? Caring and selflessness aren't natural traits for the woman. Nik should also be alive and hearing about his beloved mother and sister's anguish. It is all very Cassadine in this way. But too bad that the writers are moronic hacks who can't write a story that works to save their life.

[LexieLily]

33 minutes ago, stlbf said:

Yup. This is why I still think that this whole Lulu is Charlotte's biological mother is bullshit and only part of Valentin's long game. Which is to get Nina's fortune, torment Anna and The Spencers. Claudette is Charlotte's mother. Why else would she have cared about the girl? Caring and selflessness aren't natural traits for the woman. Nik should also be alive and hearing about his beloved mother and sister's anguish. It is all very Cassadine in this way. But too bad that the writers are moronic hacks who can't write a story that works to save their life.

I'd be on board with that just because it makes Nina look extra foolish and keeps Lulu from being forever tied to the Cassadines in that way. But I'd still put her in therapy with Kevin (maybe not Kevin, given his and Laura's relationship) to discuss her single-mindedness that could have cost her Dante/Rocco.

Whether or not Lulu is truly the biological mother, Charlotte needs therapy too. Poor kid lost the only mother she ever knew, had three dads in the space of two months, has a new stepmother, and has a biological mother and half-brother* (and step-father). Can Kevin recommend a good child psychologist? 

*Or full brother. I read a rumor somewhere that Charlotte is actually the thought-to-be-destroyed Dante/Lulu embryo, that Lante are both her full biological parents.

Edited January 27, 2017 by LexieLily

[stlbf]

I still think that it works that Valentin loves Charlotte. He wants to torment Lulu, but he has been very much keeping Charlotte out of the loop. All she knew was that this woman liked her and she spent a few hours with her while her Papa was busy. I think that he wants to keep her out of the heavy fire zone that is his endgame. Having it turn out that Griffin is secretly in his employ would almost make it worth this crap.

Too bad the show doesn't have decent writers to get the story to greatness.

[LexieLily]

4 minutes ago, stlbf said:

I still think that it works that Valentin loves Charlotte. He wants to torment Lulu, but he has been very much keeping Charlotte out of the loop. All she knew was that this woman liked her and she spent a few hours with her while her Papa was busy. I think that he wants to keep her out of the heavy fire zone that is his endgame. Having it turn out that Griffin is secretly in his employ would almost make it worth this crap.

Too bad the show doesn't have decent writers to get the story to greatness.

But what beef does Valentin have with Lulu specifically to make the long con worth it to him? Just the fact that she is a Spencer? To torment her with the idea of a Spencer woman having created a child with a Cassadine against her will, much like his brother and her mother?

[stlbf]

Yup. She is a Spencer and Laura's child. And Nik's beloved baby sister. She has a nasty hist with his family and she isn't exactly known for her level headedness and calm behavior. So Lulu is a perfect patsy. Nina's money is an immediate need. Since Nik had been saying for sometime that the Cassadine estate was in trouble. Having Lulu act like a possessive nut of a "mommy" to Nina (who adores Charlotte and had to deal with a similar wackjob of a mother) is perfect to break any reservations she might have had with Valentin. They got married after a Lulu meltdown towards Valentin. With no prenuptial agreement, btw. 

Griffin as a loyal employee to Valentin works for so many reasons. He did the maternity test on Charlotte/Lulu. He has attacked Valentin(poorly). And it will gut Anna. What a true Soapy Twist!

[Oracle42]

But he supposedly hates and resents his family so why would he want to join their Spencer vendetta? It has less than nothing to do with him.  But I'm fine with him using Nina to refill the family coffers because she's awful and I hope she end up in Shady Brooke 

[LexieLily]

19 minutes ago, stlbf said:

Yup. She is a Spencer and Laura's child. And Nik's beloved baby sister. She has a nasty hist with his family and she isn't exactly known for her level headedness and calm behavior. So Lulu is a perfect patsy. Nina's money is an immediate need. Since Nik had been saying for sometime that the Cassadine estate was in trouble. Having Lulu act like a possessive nut of a "mommy" to Nina (who adores Charlotte and had to deal with a similar wackjob of a mother) is perfect to break any reservations she might have had with Valentin. They got married after a Lulu meltdown towards Valentin. With no prenuptial agreement, btw. 

Griffin as a loyal employee to Valentin works for so many reasons. He did the maternity test on Charlotte/Lulu. He has attacked Valentin(poorly). And it will gut Anna. What a true Soapy Twist!

Griffin did the maternity DNA test on Lulu/Charlotte? At GH?

Why, oh why, do any of these people trust DNA tests done in Port Charles?

[stlbf]

3 hours ago, LexieLily said:

Griffin did the maternity DNA test on Lulu/Charlotte? At GH?

Why, oh why, do any of these people trust DNA tests done in Port Charles?

But it was Duke's "son"! A doctor and a priest!  I would love for it to turn out that the priest part was a total lie. With Claudette being in on that part. To cover up their affair. Maybe it really wasn't an affair. Just a fake to keep Nathan in the dark over Claudette's working with Valentin. Maybe they just had a fling. Maybe the Cassadines have had plans to procure the Reeves' fortune for years now. Nina was in a coma and married to Silas. Madeline too greedy and clever to trick. But Nathan was an easy target. And when it became clear that he had signed away his portion of the fortune,  Valentin had Claudette drop him. Just have the Claudette/Griffin questioning about his clergy status be a code about his status in Valentin's organization. Claudette was on the run. And she had lost touch with Griffin long before. And gee, who could've easily told Valentin where Claudette had just popped back up with his daughter? 

But, I  won't be shocked if the show just chalks it up to Reasons! Helena! Or ooooh, commercial break! And this whole storyline keeps on sucking. 

Why drag in the Spencers? Because it will torment Nik. Whom we all know is alive, right? Next person to go after to target Nik would be Elizabeth. And I would be perfectly game for it if it gets her away from Franco. Even better if Valentin kills him to get him out of the way.

Edited January 27, 2017 by stlbf

[Asp Burger]

I am fascinated by this Branford place. I have watched GH on and off for 20 years, and it is possible there have been numerous references to a nearby town named Branford, but I don't remember hearing any until Alexis became a furtive drunk and needed someplace quick to drive to.

What kind of cool Branford intrigue has been going on all this time? How big is this Branford? What else is there besides Gene's Branford Roadhouse, est. 1975? Maybe there's a whole town full of people much more interesting than Sonny, Carly, Jason, Sam, and Nelle.

Make Branford a thing! Better yet, make Branford a spinoff! Instead of populating General Hospital with all the out-of-work soap stars, make that their destination. There must be plenty of them to fill a cast. "This fall...out-of-the-way comes into your home, and ABC Daytime will never be the same. [quick montage of drinking glasses, cleavage, a gun going off, a fistfight, a mechanical bull, silhouetted people having sexy times through sheer bed curtains, lipstick being applied to full lips] Branford!" 

Nah. Never happen.  

[Cheyanne11]

11 hours ago, ciarra said:

Wow, Morgan got more mail in a couple of months than I did in the past five years.  I'm sure that top letter was from Publisher's Clearing House, though, so I doesn't count as real mail.

 

I was LOL"ing at all his mail and waiting for Carly to get teary at a circular from Port Charles Motors ("Morgan always did love a good sale on hubcaps...").

I absolutely hate this Nelle/Sonny plot.  Mostly because he still don't know what the hell Nelle's backstory is, but mostly because I guess I'm supporsed to be siding with Sonny, which, no, not gonna happen.  And I'm rolling my eyes at Sonny The All-Seeing being able to feel Nelle's rage but he still doesn't question he slept with her.  Though I guess to be fair, since that's his usual go-to, it's an understandable leap.

[dubbel zout]

24 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

I absolutely hate this Nelle/Sonny plot.

It gives me a rage blackout. It's so incredibly stupid. TELL CARLY. Explain the circumstances: They were apart, he was drunk, he's not quite sure if anything happened. If Carly gets mad, at least it takes away the blackmail factor. Sonny is not new to this.

Of course, if this were better written, we'd already know what Nelle was up to, and she'd have other things in place so that if/when Carly finds out, it wouldn't be the only hurt.

[LexieLily]

29 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Of course, if this were better written, we'd already know what Nelle was up to, and she'd have other things in place so that if/when Carly finds out, it wouldn't be the only hurt.

How is it that Nelle has been on our screens 75% of each week since October and all she's done in her super-master revenge plot is trick a drunk Sonny into thinking they slept together?

Edited January 27, 2017 by LexieLily

[dubbel zout]

The pacing on this show is so bad. I will never understand it.

[LexieLily]

10 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

The pacing on this show is so bad. I will never understand it.

They drag out the stupid shit like this until the few people that cared don't care anymore, but they also completely gloss over the important beats of a story. (Jason going to Sam and telling her he remembered everything, which inexplicably only warranted a two minute scene on Alexis' front porch. Sam telling Jason that Danny was his son and about his cancer happened completely off-screen)

Edited January 27, 2017 by LexieLily

[ulkis]

13 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

The pacing on this show is so bad. I will never understand it.

The pacing on the Nelle story isn't the problem, it's the not telling us what her deal is. Or not really doing anything. Like LexieLily said, all she's done is trick Sonny into thinking they slept together. Which, while pretty skeevy, is not interesting. They're obviously hedging their bets. 

ETA: I haven't missed Luke much since he left but I am kinda missing him now, because his reaction to this whole Charlotte thing would have been terrible yet hilarious.

Edited January 27, 2017 by ulkis

[LexieLily]

5 minutes ago, ulkis said:

ETA: I haven't missed Luke much since he left but I am kinda missing him now, because his reaction to this whole Charlotte thing would have been terrible yet hilarious.

God. I feel like Luke would just completely encourage all of Lulu's full-steam-ahead single-mindedness.

[dubbel zout]

8 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Or not really doing anything. <snip> They're obviously hedging their bets. 

This is pacing, IMO. (As well as terrible writing. FFS, at least have the courage of your [terrible] convictions.)

[ulkis]

6 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

God. I feel like Luke would just completely encourage all of Lulu's full-steam-ahead single-mindedness.

Maybe, but first he'd be like "what the hell do you want the Cassadine brat for?"

[LexieLily]

1 minute ago, ulkis said:

Maybe, but first he'd be like "what the hell do you want the Cassadine brat for?"

Right, didn't he kind of disown his daughter when she needed the bone marrow from Nik and thus was tainted with Cassadine blood?

[ulkis]

2 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

Right, didn't he kind of disown his daughter when she needed the bone marrow from Nik and thus was tainted with Cassadine blood?

Not for a while . . . it was a couple of years later after TG kinda had been mentioning it in the press on and off, I guess he finally got it written in. But after Nikolas came on the scene there was no indication Luke felt differently about Lulu. And then once JMB played Lulu TG I think kinda forgot about it, because of his usual favoritism. Since he liked the actress he forgot about the dumb head canon he had been making up for Luke and Lulu.

I was thinking more about his reaction to Nikolas when he first came on . . . of course Charlotte is a little girl and Nikolas was a hostile 16 year old boy but Luke would definitely be like, "you don't have to embrace the kid just because she's there."

Edited January 27, 2017 by ulkis

[dubbel zout]

2 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Luke would definitely be like, "you don't have to embrace the kid just because she's there."

Agreed. This is the man who slagged Lucky for being a father to Elizabeth's non-Cassadine sons. Luke was a crabby misanthrope at the end.

[LeftPhalange]

2 hours ago, LexieLily said:

How is it that Nelle has been on our screens 75% of each week since October and all she's done in her super-master revenge plot is trick a drunk Sonny into thinking they slept together?

Her incompetence alone is enough reason for her to be murdered. 

[backhometome]

Everyone took stupid pills today.

Kiki cant read a piece of paper.

Pregnant Sam goes after Freako alone and then uses a fire extinguisher to break a lock. Then not slapping the shit out of him when she gets there. 

and Liez accuses someone of murder while being alone in their house

[Linny]

I always think Franco can't get any more pathetic, then he sits by himself mumbling about his love for Liz while drawing her face with the world's stubbiest pencil. Sam, however, was badass today. Love that she made it clear that she hated having to save Franco.

"You're my cousin, Kiki, you know me!" LMAO. Since when have Sam and Kiki treated each other like family?

An alcoholic lawyer who is implicated in a murder is a storyline that works for me on How to Get Away With Murder, but not so much on GH. I really hope this shit wraps up soon. 

Those cheap ass trophies are an odd choice for a smoking gun.

Nurse Amy is like SNL's "Girl You Wish You Hadn't Started a Conversation With at a Party." She isn't cute or funny.

[TeeVee329]

I'm sure we're supposed to think Brad is being an evil meanie to Dr. Michael Easton, but he did help Dr. Michael Easton with that drug and thus is completely justified demanding credit and compensation.  Also, Dr. Michael Easton shouldn't be practicing medicine if he's addicted to drugs.

Why is Amy 2.0?

Edited January 27, 2017 by TeeVee329

[movingtargetgal]

Tracy, Brad, Hayden and Monica(?) are all aware that Finn was treating himself with a highly addictive street drug for years.  Once he was "cured" of his illness, why did they not insist that he get treatment for his physical and psychological dependence to this dangerous drug?  At the very least he should have gone through a medically supervised (inpatient) detox.  Monica should have insisted on this before Finn returned to GH.  

Edited January 27, 2017 by movingtargetgal

[WendyCR72]

22 minutes ago, Linny said:

"You're my cousin, Kiki, you know me!" LMAO. Since when have Sam and Kiki treated each other like family?

I just read this and was like, "How the hell are Kiki and Sam family?" Took me forever to remember that Ava spawned Kiki.

[TeeVee329]

She should have said, "I used to fuck your father, Kiki, you know me!".

[LeftPhalange]

1 minute ago, WendyCR72 said:

I just read this and was like, "How the hell are Kiki and Sam family?" Took me forever to remember that Ava spawned Kiki.

Damn Ava to hell.

[WendyCR72]

8 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

She should have said, "I used to fuck your father, Kiki, you know me!".

Wait, who's Kiki's dad? (And why do I care?)

[TeeVee329]

Silas, the previous Dr. Michael Easton.

[Vella]

Ugh. The writing for Liz is straight up AWFUL.  The woman has NO voice and NO agency and NO point of view for this entire story that was straight up ripped from her because it is HER story and now she's active and talking and actually having conversations with other people and it's not on HER behalf but rather because of FRANCO.

For fucking ONCE, Franco is not around to interrupt Liz or talk over her or babble tirelessly. For ONCE she gets a moment with Seth without Franco stinking up the scene, Tom's brother and he again apologizes to her for Tom's actions.  THEN NOTHING. What the fuck is THAT?

But you can bet that all this 'action' and 'dialogue' that Liz is getting is going to end VERY fast the moment Franco is back to full form.

Awful.

[WendyCR72]

6 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

Silas, the previous Dr. Michael Easton.

Ah, right. So memorable. And, yeah, that was sarcasm.

[TeeVee329]

5 minutes ago, Vella said:

 For ONCE she gets a moment with Seth without Franco stinking up the scene, Tom's brother and he again apologizes to her for Tom's actions. 

Also, given what she knew before his slip of the tongue, why was she getting in Seth's face in the first place?  He doesn't have to believe your SERIAL KILLER boyfriend who repeatedly assaulted his brother is innocent.

[yowsah1]

24 minutes ago, Vella said:

Ugh. The writing for Liz is straight up AWFUL.  The woman has NO voice and NO agency and NO point of view for this entire story that was straight up ripped from her because it is HER story and now she's active and talking and actually having conversations with other people and it's not on HER behalf but rather because of FRANCO.

For fucking ONCE, Franco is not around to interrupt Liz or talk over her or babble tirelessly. For ONCE she gets a moment with Seth without Franco stinking up the scene, Tom's brother and he again apologizes to her for Tom's actions.  THEN NOTHING. What the fuck is THAT?

But you can bet that all this 'action' and 'dialogue' that Liz is getting is going to end VERY fast the moment Franco is back to full form.

Awful.

There isn't a single episode of GH that doesn't completely flunk the Bechdel test.

[LeftPhalange]

18 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

Also, given what she knew before his slip of the tongue, why was she getting in Seth's face in the first place?  He doesn't have to believe your SERIAL KILLER boyfriend who repeatedly assaulted his brother is innocent.

Being paired with Freako has really devastated this character. Liez was already in the gutter after years of acting pathetic over a man. I really didn't think she could get any worse after the Jakeson crap and all of the whining about being a town pariah, but apparently I was wrong. Her being Freako's number one cheerleader and harassing Sam into helping him is the lowest of the low.

Edited January 27, 2017 by LeftPhalange

[ulkis]

Why does Amy think Griffin cares about Hayden and Finn? I'm starting to feel like the actress is related to someone, she's so random.

Franco drawing Liz's face on his goodbye note is so twee.

[LeftPhalange]

8 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Franco drawing Liz's face on his goodbye note is so twee.

Is Freako supposed to have developmental issues, mentally, on top of being psychotic? 

[ulkis]

Man, I don't know.

Alls I know is that character seems to get more and more ridiculous. I wish I could read FV's mind about this.

[LeftPhalange]

9 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Man, I don't know.

Alls I know is that character seems to get more and more ridiculous. I wish I could read FV's mind about this.

RoHo is a Soap Superstar. When you're a star, the fictional character you play can do anything. #AlternativeFacts

[lovelynn]

I wanted Sam to set the storage unit on fire. Let Franco take the fall for Tom's murder. I don't care that he didn't murder Tom.

Nurse Amy is obnoxious. What ever happened to Epiphany? I want her back to put Amy in her place. Someone needs to tell her to stop with the workplace gossip.

[dubbel zout]

52 minutes ago, yowsah1 said:

There isn't a single episode of GH that doesn't completely flunk the Bechdel test.

At least the women characters have names. (That's sometimes one of the requirements.) Cold comfort, I know.

Nurse Amy is obnoxious.

She's completely unnecessary. I get she's a shout-out to Shell Kepler's Amy, but she was obnoxious, too. However, Amy Vining was connected to Laura. This one was simply dropped into the show to drive us all insane. Please, Show, lift her right out.

Edited January 27, 2017 by dubbel zout

[WendyCR72]

1 hour ago, LeftPhalange said:

Being paired with Freako has really devastated this character. Liez was already in the gutter after years of acting pathetic over a man. I really didn't think she could get any worse after the Jakeson crap and all of the whining about being a town pariah, but apparently I was wrong. Her being Freako's number one cheerleader and harassing Sam into helping him is the lowest of the low.

Not denying this as even the knowledge Franco even exists makes pieces of my soul wither and die, but, unfortunately, this isn't new for Liz. I mean, hello Ric Lansing! (And this comes from someone that liked Ric/Alexis way back...but I got over it.)

Still, as much as I am not a Liz fan, I don't get A) Why this show can't won't give her a man who is relatively sane and normal and doesn't have the baggage of loving another woman and B) allow Liz to grow and appreciate hypothetical sane love interest without going all "grass is greener", as she always does.

Matt Hunter had potential, so of course GH tossed him.

[HeatLifer]

Liz looks bad!?!?! No way.

How is Brad still on this show? Truly. I need answers.

[LeftPhalange]

6 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

How is Brad still on this show? Truly. I need answers.

Lucas got stuck with him.

Why didn't Paul murder nurse gossip girl?

Are doctors not allowed to write prescriptions for themselves?

Sam should've dropped a box of trophies on Freako's head. She would be preventing other people from becoming another one of his victims. 

I wish Seth had called the cops on that stalker nurse harassing him. 

[dubbel zout]

57 minutes ago, LeftPhalange said:

Are doctors not allowed to write prescriptions for themselves?

It doesn't seem to be against the law, but it's not encouraged:

"The AMA sees no issue with a physician providing routine care for short-term, minor problems; however, except in emergencies, it is not appropriate for physicians to write prescriptions for controlled substances (I, II, IV) for themselves or immediate family members."

[ulkis]

I forgot to say: Finn expects people to believe he played hockey?

[LeftPhalange]

39 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

It doesn't seem to be against the law, but it's not encouraged:

"The AMA sees no issue with a physician providing routine care for short-term, minor problems; however, except in emergencies, it is not appropriate for physicians to write prescriptions for controlled substances (I, II, IV) for themselves or immediate family members."

I'm going to assume Griffin wrote Finn's prescription for plot point reasons and not because the writers were following AMA guidelines.