Episode Discussion: TFGH

[honeydo7]

This PA Native was surprised yesterday hearing Liz tell Franco her ice-skating son, was a fan of the Pittsburgh Penguins Captain, Sidney Crosby.  Does that mean a member of the GH writing team is from Pittsburgh or just a big hockey fan?

[TeeVee329]

9 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

How hard would it be to write Charlotte as a Dante/LuLu embryo that was mishandled by Britt? 

Leave Britt out of this!

3 hours ago, Asp Burger said:

It certainly did not end on a good note last time around, when Sarah/Lucky fizzled and Sarah Laine was hastily shown the door.  

I think Liz and Sarah are supposed to be on decent terms.  Didn't Liz go to stay with her after Aiden was born/Rebecca Herbst went on maternity leave a few years ago?  Even if they weren't, I think finding out you now share a half-sister would merit at least a phone call, even if we just hear about it in passing.

[Sake614]

1 hour ago, honeydo7 said:

This PA Native was surprised yesterday hearing Liz tell Franco her ice-skating son, was a fan of the Pittsburgh Penguins Captain, Sidney Crosby.  Does that mean a member of the GH writing team is from Pittsburgh or just a big hockey fan?

 

NYC girl and die-hard Rangers fan here. I too was surprised by the mention. But Buffalo certainly doesn't have any star players, so I guess Pittsburgh is the closest city with a marquee name. I didn't get the side-eye she gave franco when he compared Jake to Boitano. Is there supposed to be some negative connotation associated with figure skating as opposed to hockey?

[peachmangosteen]

14 hours ago, LeftPhalange said:

For some reason, I'm somewhat sorta kinda interested in Hayden and Liez getting to know each other. Liez seems to have toned down the bitchface and self righteousness, for now, so I can tolerate her when she isn't in scenes with her rapist serial killer boyfriend.

LMAO but I agree.

[OnceSane]

53 minutes ago, Sake614 said:

 

NYC girl and die-hard Rangers fan here. I too was surprised by the mention. But Buffalo certainly doesn't have any star players, so I guess Pittsburgh is the closest city with a marquee name. I didn't get the side-eye she gave franco when he compared Jake to Boitano. Is there supposed to be some negative connotation associated with figure skating as opposed to hockey?

Just the stereotype that "manly men" (& boys, I guess) play hockey and the not-so-manly figure skate instead.  Maybe Liz expected Franco to know Jake is super into hockey since the guys have such a "special" bond.

[dubbel zout]

10 hours ago, ulkis said:

Oh, and there was the "comic" scene a couple of weeks ago where Hayden knocked out some guy and she undressed him and made him think they had sex. That scene was pretty sketchy.

He did offer her money for sex. Not that it means he should have been drugged, but both sides were gross.

1 hour ago, Sake614 said:

I didn't get the side-eye she gave franco when he compared Jake to Boitano. Is there supposed to be some negative connotation associated with figure skating as opposed to hockey?

I think it was more that Franco couldn't tell figure skates from hockey skates, and he couldn't name a hockey player.

[Bishop]

On 12/7/2016 at 6:19 PM, Melgaypet said:

Gilmore Girls reference. JMB had a cameo in the recent revival. DAR stands for Daughters of the American Revolution. It's a hoity-toity society thing.

I saw that.  GG and JMB were great.  Emily's smackdown of the DAR was great - and a long-time coming.  FYI - Diane's, Carolyn Hennessy, was also on Gilmore Girls in that scene.  

[Oracle42]

23 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

He did offer her money for sex. Not that it means he should have been drugged, but both sides were gross.

Did he know her before? Early Hayden tried to sleep with every guy who crossed get path - maybe he was just unaware of the changes love has wrought in her character

[TeeVee329]

Didn't she set her sights on him/go out with him just to get money for Dr. Michael Easton's SUPER DUDLY DISEASE research?  Yeah, he was gross offering to give her money for sex, but she set out to bilk money from him in the first place.  That this and the subsequent drugging was all played for laughs/as a beat to bring Rebecca Budig and Dr. Michael Easton closer was yuck-o IMO.

[Chairperson Meow]

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

He did offer her money for sex. Not that it means he should have been drugged, but both sides were gross.

I think it was more that Franco couldn't tell figure skates from hockey skates, and he couldn't name a hockey player.

Franco is a terrible serial killer.  And Jelly are sucky writers.  My God, put down the BSC books for a second, stop fantasizing in your dream journals and do some research.  Watch a little Dexter.  Serial killers have to act normal, so obviously, Franco would've had practice acting normal and learned something or at least learned about sports during his Jason crush. 

Btw...can someone give me a quick recap of the past month?  Or is it just embryo probably Charlotte, Anna obsessed with Valentin who's banging Nina, Liz and Franco, Dr Lizard and Greenlee, Embryos, Sonny's manpain, Michael is doing nothing, Jason and Sam are boring, Where have all the children gone?, and Maxie shrieks? 

[ulkis]

1 hour ago, TeeVee329 said:

Didn't she set her sights on him/go out with him just to get money for Dr. Michael Easton's SUPER DUDLY DISEASE research?  Yeah, he was gross offering to give her money for sex, but she set out to bilk money from him in the first place.  That this and the subsequent drugging was all played for laughs/as a beat to bring Rebecca Budig and Dr. Michael Easton closer was yuck-o IMO.

Yeah, and he didn't assault her or trick her or anything. He was supposed to be douchy, but he actually started out normal flirting with her and then she broke to him that she was only interested in his money, and that's when he said he wanted sex for money. 

[TeeVee329]

Valentin (to Lulu): I always knew this day would come. It’s time you knew the truth.

Me: ...Lulu's involvement in this story started THIS WEEK.  My gawd, the pacing on this show!

[Linny]

Jason went dumpster diving! I suppose after all these years spent with Sonny and Carly that he's become quite comfortable around trash.

[dubbel zout]

18 minutes ago, Linny said:

Jason went dumpster diving!

For that he can wear gloves, but when he's smashing a van with the van's tire iron, he can't?

LOL that Curtis goes to Jordan when Jason told him not to, then goes to Jason when Jordan told him not to. That's a good way to end up with no allies, Curtis.

Sonny, if you're really worried about Nelle telling Carly you slept with her, tell Carly yourself. She's already confessed to kissing Jax and wanting to be with him. Under the circumstances, I doubt she'll be too bent out of shape. Of all the times to confess to cheating, this is probably the least problematic. The stakes are not that high right now.

Too bad Nathan and Dante couldn't have tagged along with Valentin in his wormhole to Manhattan.

Griffin was a little judgey there when Alexis was talking to him about forgiveness. 

[movingtargetgal]

I love watching Nelle making Sonny get all twitchy.

[P3pp3rb1rd]

I was hoping we would see Maxie clamp some forceps onto the creepy doc's nose when the girls fought back. But seriously, how creepy and strange is it that the doc has an EXAMINATION ROOM that is soundproof, lockable from the outside, and is in a dead spot on the cell phone radio system? Sounds like a setup for S&M, sex trafficking, or unsavory and illegal activities. Lulu and Maxie were lucky to get out of there.

So by making Lulu and Valentin parents of Charlotte, the writers have inserted new characters into the canvas by tying them to a vet, Lulu. It was beyond cheesy the way that Lulu "just knew" intuitively that Charlotte was so special to her.

Edited December 9, 2016 by P3pp3rb1rd

[ulkis]

I guess MB didn't remember how he said the "I know you'll never tell our secret" line the first time, because when Sonny said and when Nelle played the recording were definitely different readings of it.

That said, I don't know if he's doing it on purpose or he's just phoning it in, but Sonny is coming across like he's too tired to really care, which actually works, so tentative props to MB. Although that just makes it that much more dumb that Sonny wouldn't just tell Carly. Both he and Nelle clearly feel zero guilt. Sonny just seems to feel weary. But that brings me to, why isn't Sonny alarmed by her? I suppose she's not suppose to come across as a sociopath but she did when went on in the bland emotionless voice about feeling so bad about sleeping with Sonny, and it didn't help when she next said she didn't have family in Atlanta, or even close friends. Sonny's alarm bells should have been ringing. 

Also, can Nelle cut off three inches off her hair? It adds to her gangliness, unless they WANT her to come off that way.

Jason clearly suspects Sonny and Nelle and he's prying . . . why? 

I liked Alexis shading boring Griffin. About time someone gave his sanctimonious ass some attitude (Nathan doesn't count, since he tried to kill the man. But apparently they're BFF now). Why Alexis is helping Julian isn't any of his business whether he likes it or not. And if the show wanted me to care that he's Duke's son, maybe they should have had IB as dream Duke or something and he and Griffin could have bonded that way or something. But I don't care, cause they were never together.

Speaking of BFF Nathan and Griffin, why is there not allowed to be ANY friction between them? Nathan SHOT him! Nathan isn't Sonny! People should be allowed to be mad at him when he shoots them. And HE should be a little resentful of the creepy priest who screwed his wife.

[HeatLifer]

Just now, ulkis said:

Jason clearly suspects Sonny and Nelle and he's prying . . . why? 

Because only Jason is allowed to tell other people's secrets?

[ulkis]

30 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Sonny, if you're really worried about Nelle telling Carly you slept with her, tell Carly yourself. She's already confessed to kissing Jax and wanting to be with him. Under the circumstances, I doubt she'll be too bent out of shape. Of all the times to confess to cheating, this is probably the least problematic. The stakes are not that high right now.

I think BC's leaving must have messed this all up somehow. I wonder if they were going to do this plot but then BC left and now they're still doing this plot, except who cares now because Morgan died. Well, it's their fault for killing off Morgan I suppose.

Griffin was a little judgey there when Alexis was talking to him about forgiveness.

I know Griffin is not supposed to be an emotional guy but I pretty sure it wasn't possible to say "how could you look after the man who murdered my father" or whatever it was in a flatter tone of voice. I want him and Nelle to have a conversation out of pure morbid fascination.

[LexieLily]

24 minutes ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

So by making Lulu and Valentin parents of Charlotte, the writers have inserted new characters into the canvas by tying them to a vet, Lulu. It was beyond cheesy the way that Lulu "just knew" intuitively that Charlotte was so special to her.

Valentin is the father, they're really doing it that way? How did they make that happen?

[Oracle42]

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Speaking of BFF Nathan and Griffin, why is there not allowed to be ANY friction between them? 

How dare you! This soap opera is a conflict-free zone. 

[HeatLifer]

1 minute ago, Oracle42 said:

How dare you! This soap opera is a conflict-free zone. 

Aren't Nathan and Griffin played by the same actor??????

[Oracle42]

I mean, except for the dueling rapists story. But that's basically a love story so it's fine

Edited December 9, 2016 by Oracle42

[lovelynn]

Ava was funny today.

I'm annoyed that Lulu is the bio mom. Maybe she will let go of her need for more children now.

Griffin can shut up about Duke being his father. Duke didn't raise him, he was a glorified sperm donor.

Alexis is going to have a very hard time explaining this to her girls. That's the scene I wanted to see, not her with Griffin.

Edited December 9, 2016 by lovelynn

[TeeVee329]

27 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Speaking of BFF Nathan and Griffin, why is there not allowed to be ANY friction between them? Nathan SHOT him! Nathan isn't Sonny! People should be allowed to be mad at him when he shoots them. And HE should be a little resentful of the creepy priest who screwed his wife.

Seriously!  That story amounted to nothing, just like the story of Claudette passing this kid off as their daughter to each of them.  So dumb.

[ulkis]

18 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

Aren't Nathan and Griffin played by the same actor??????

One has a lite fm voice and the other has a voice that sounds like an English dubbing for a Godzilla film.

18 minutes ago, Oracle42 said:

I mean, except for the dueling rapists story. But that's basically a love story so it's fine

There's certainly enough long flowing hair in it enough for any love story.

[dubbel zout]

34 minutes ago, ulkis said:

the bland emotionless voice about feeling so bad about sleeping with Sonny,

And then she turns on a dime and gets angry that he wants to ship her back to Atlanta. She should know by this time that it's pretty SOP of Sonny. 

The tone of this story is all over the place, and it doesn't help that we still don't know what Nelle is up to.

[ulkis]

Just now, dubbel zout said:

The tone of this story is all over the place, and it doesn't help that we still don't know what Nelle is up to.

Seriously. I think that would help a lot. Except it's annoying because she won't be who she SHOULD be, cause they are trying a romance with Michael.

[LeftPhalange]

I wanted one of the machines in Julian's room to randomly explode and kill him and Ava.

Not sure if it's CL's acting or what but I got the impression today that Nelly is going to turn out to be another Lisa Niles. 

Meg Griffin and that other white guy started talking and I feel asleep.

When Valentin told Lulu that she's Charlotte's mother I wanted someone to walk in and shoot all of them.

[RedheadZombie]

7 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

Leave Britt out of this!

No!

[WendyCR72]

Wow, Joseph Mascolo (Stefano DiMera, Days) has died at 87.  :-(  Didn't he also appear on GH in the '80s? May he RIP!

[RedheadZombie]

I know Maxie and LuLu only weigh about 90# each, but c'mon.  Knock the old dude over. He's holding you captive and summoning a psycho to deal with you.  The door was open and they just politely waited until he released them.  

1 hour ago, HeatLifer said:

Because only Jason is allowed to tell other people's secrets?

Don't forget Robyn!  Self-designated paternity revealer.  Until SHE got pregnant.

1 hour ago, ulkis said:

One has a lite fm voice and the other has a voice that sounds like an English dubbing for a Godzilla film.

There's certainly enough long flowing hair in it enough for any love story.

I tried not to type this, I really did.  But Nathan has the pig snout, and Griffin has a vat of Crisco in his hair. 

[backhometome]

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I know Maxie and LuLu only weigh about 90# each, but c'mon.  Knock the old dude over. He's holding you captive and summoning a psycho to deal with you.

I was thinking this too. They couldn't kick him in the balls and run for it? so dumb.

Sadly the only amusing part was Jason and Curtis dumpster diving. 

[HeatLifer]

9 minutes ago, RedheadZombie said:

Self-designated paternity revealer.  Until SHE got pregnant.

And then she apologized and called herself a hypocrite. Something Sonny, Carly, and Jason are allergic to.

[peachmangosteen]

2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Griffin was a little judgey there when Alexis was talking to him about forgiveness. 

Griffin is always judgey. It's super annoying.

1 hour ago, ulkis said:

I liked Alexis shading boring Griffin. About time someone gave his sanctimonious ass some attitude (Nathan doesn't count, since he tried to kill the man. But apparently they're BFF now).

This.

I actually liked today's ep tbh. I did skip all the Sonny/Nelle and Jason/Curtis scenes though, so that helped.

Edited December 9, 2016 by peachmangosteen

[dubbel zout]

2 hours ago, ulkis said:

I know Griffin is not supposed to be an emotional guy but I pretty sure it wasn't possible to say "how could you look after the man who murdered my father" or whatever it was in a flatter tone of voice. I want him and Nelle to have a conversation out of pure morbid fascination.

Who would be put into a coma first, one of them or us?

[RedheadZombie]

46 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

And then she apologized and called herself a hypocrite. Something Sonny, Carly, and Jason are allergic to.

True. But at least she understood the desire to lie about it.   I really liked Patrick at that time, and it got on my nerves.   

[stlbf]

Re: Robin.

The big difference is that Robin came to her senses and told the truth. No way in hell Jason, Carly or Sonny would've done that in time. Maybe Carly, if it gave her some leverage that she wanted. But not to ease her guilt. Cause she never feels that emotion.

I have 3 episodes to catch up on. I am seriously thinking of just "accidentally" erasing them. Nothing looks worthy of even FF viewing.

[Perkie]

Uhm, the car bomb happened Oct 7th, two months ago, but someone dumped a bag of garbage in the dumpster that night and it's still there?  Two months later?  Because garbage doesn't get picked up for two months?  Really?  

[HeatLifer]

27 minutes ago, stlbf said:

Re: Robin.

The big difference is that Robin came to her senses and told the truth. No way in hell Jason, Carly or Sonny would've done that in time. Maybe Carly, if it gave her some leverage that she wanted. But not to ease her guilt. Cause she never feels that emotion.

I have 3 episodes to catch up on. I am seriously thinking of just "accidentally" erasing them. Nothing looks worthy of even FF viewing.

And Robin kept overhearing Patrick telling the world that he didn't want a kid. He was also screwing that nurse. I understood why Robin didn't want to tell him she was pregnant. Carly NEVER had any type of logical reasoning in keeping multiple paternity secrets. In the end, though, Robin was able to have self-awareness. The others? Bwah. 

[Oracle42]

2 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

Carly NEVER had any type of logical reasoning in keeping multiple paternity secrets.

Carly had reasons for lying about Michael. The reasons were incredibly selfish but they weren't  illogical, they followed directly from her stated goals

[HeatLifer]

6 minutes ago, Oracle42 said:

Carly had reasons for lying about Michael. The reasons were incredibly selfish but they weren't  illogical, they followed directly from her stated goals

She had no sound reasoning. Her goals were crazy and illogical. That's MO.

Edited December 10, 2016 by HeatLifer

[Melgaypet]

Reasons aside, I think the biggest difference is what you said earlier, HeatLifer, that Robin realized she was doing the wrong thing and told the truth.

[ulkis]

2 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

I tried not to type this, I really did.  But Nathan has the pig snout, and Griffin has a vat of Crisco in his hair. 

Heh. Nathan has a bit of Crisco in his own hair as well (and on the rest of his body).

[WendyCR72]

Let's take the Carly/Robin Paternity Follies to the History thread. Thank you.

[Asp Burger]

"Am I the only one..." posts used to be aggressively swatted down at the other place, and of course one is rarely "the only one," so I will refrain from that wording; but about the Griffin actor, I actually find the understatement of his performances welcome. Maybe this kind of show is not the best showcase for what he does, but I do think he is good.  

Edited December 10, 2016 by Asp Burger

[Darklazr]

14 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

Leave Britt out of this!

I think Liz and Sarah are supposed to be on decent terms.  Didn't Liz go to stay with her after Aiden was born/Rebecca Herbst went on maternity leave a few years ago?  Even if they weren't, I think finding out you now share a half-sister would merit at least a phone call, even if we just hear about it in passing.

Yes, Nik made the arrangements for Elizabeth and the boys to visit Sarah in California when BH went on maternity leaves.

[Darklazr]

Why would Valentine allow surrogate Claudette to raise Charlotte?!  This entire Claudette, Charlotte, Nathan, Lulu, Dante, Valentine and Griffin story is dumb, AF.

[ulkis]

27 minutes ago, Darklazr said:

Why would Valentine allow surrogate Claudette to raise Charlotte?!  This entire Claudette, Charlotte, Nathan, Lulu, Dante, Valentine and Griffin story is dumb, AF.

He didn't, they mentioned she was hiding from him.

Edited December 10, 2016 by ulkis

[P3pp3rb1rd]

Lulu looked so onboard with being Charlotte's mother the moment that Valentin said the words. Her attitude doesn't square with her previous baby rabies hysteria, in which she was dying to be pregnant mainly to experience all the groovy kicks and grins of pregnancy.

Valentin seems expert in telling wimmins what they want to hear. Lulu already believes him, without doing a DNA test. Who would trust a Cassadine's word in such a situation? And poor little rich girl Nina is throwing her body at Valentin, which I am sure will soon be followed by her fortune (which he is really after, I believe.)

Lulu, Nina, and Laura are all primed to be yearning maternal protective satellites of Charlotte. Is the girl some kind of bait that Valentin will use to control them? Count me as too bored to care.