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It should be to Sam, but I think it would occur to Jason. I don't think he thinks anything is beyond Nikolas.

 

I hate that Nikolas is a bad guy but Hayden is the good one.  Once again, the writers are condemning a vet and promoting a newbie.  They did the same thing with Lulu and Valerie.  Lulu is tripping over herself to apologize to Valerie for sleeping with her husband while Valerie stands on her high-horse refusing an apology from Lulu (WTF) because she's upset that she almost got killed - yet ignoring that she tried to kill Lulu's father?  Not a big deal.  I just hate how they write the vets.  The writers love to boost newer characters at the expense of the vets.  I'm all for change in characters, but Nikolas hiring a hit on a woman??!!!  In the history of his character, when would that have ever been true??  Ever?

I worry for this new Jason. He seems softer than silk. I like that he seems to emote a little more and seems to want to be something other than a mobster but dear god!!! I hope they do something with him and soon. 

 

Jason is a brain damage amnesiac and in this show that means he is slow and stupid. SMH

He is so different from SBu's Jason - and not in a good way.  I'm sorry, but the writers from RC to this new regime have changed his character so dramatically, that I refuse to call him Jason.  He's Jakeson because he's mostly Jake Doe with a VERY small smidge of Jason Morgan - and most of that is due to the leather jacket.  How many more times is Sam going to be the brains?  Hey, I don't think Sam is dumb at all.  She's a smart cookie, but she basically has to lead Jakeson to the breadcrumbs, point them out to him, and then question if he's getting it.  "Do you see what I'm seeing?"  Then he sort of looks at her with that Scooby look "Ruh-ruh?"

 

I can't tell you how many debates I get into with people who insist that they are seeing the old Jason emerge, and all I can do is stare at my tv screen and go "Where??!!"

I think they thought the ongoing joke (from old school JaSam as well) that Sam was better at fixing shit and Jason was better at cooking would be cute.  I mean, I love the banter, but they couldn't have it be something a little more difficult than a BOX?

The writers need to stop trying to make them Jasam and/or Jason and Sam and just write a new lovestory for Jake and Sam.  Trying to fit them into the Jasam box of old is just not working at all.  

 

And speaking of stupid lazy writing.....Sam couldn't find out Hayden's real identity with a buttload of info she already gathered, but she literally grabbed the 2nd shooter theory out of thin air....and will solve that?  Ok show.  Either make her competent or not.  But choose one.

 

What's even nuttier is that Sam couldn't put the pieces together regarding Hayden's alias, but Elizabeth can go onto the Internet and find all the clues.  How does Sam miss that?  Then with something more complicated, it's as obvious as a sunrise.  I.don't.get.it.

The Corinthii worship is beyond vile.

There are fans of the Corinthos family and of Sonny - as hard as that is to believe.  I am one of them, and I don't find everything he says to be an horrific thing.  I'm okay with people hating him, but it's okay if some of us like the character (and actor).  Granted, I'm sure I'm in the minority on these boards.  I loved SBu's Jason Morgan as well, which is why BM's Billy Abbottesque Jason Morgan is such a bitter pill to swallow.

 

This show just has no freaking balance. They don't know how to write layers within a character.

I just wish they would stop moving the goal post.  This person is bad.  Oh wait, no they are good.  This person hates his father for killing his biological father.  Oh wait, no, he's okay with it.  This person is furious over a betrayal.  Oh wait, no they don't think they were betrayed.  The writing for these characters is the problem - which is why I find it hard to hate the characters sometimes.

 

Is this how they avoid fallout on this show? Because the way Michael acts, you would never know Sonny intentionally murdered his father.

That's exactly what the writers want you to feel.  There is no other explanation.  I mean look at the dialogue.  Sonny constantly throws in Julian's face how he got Duke killed and how he deserves to go to prison.  Do you ever hear the character say "Hey Sonny.  You murdered AJ and got away with it.  So why are you on your soapbox?"  You will never hear Julian say that.  You will never hear Michael ever mention Sonny killing AJ.  Why?  Because the writers want to pretend it never happened, which is why Michael acts exactly the way you stated.  It's the wish of the writers.

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I hate that Nikolas is a bad guy but Hayden is the good one.  Once again, the writers are condemning a vet and promoting a newbie.

 

Ron took Nikolas too far even before Hayden showed up. I don't think it was to promote Hayden that Nikolas has her shot; I think it was all in the service to keep Jason's identity from coming out just a little bit while longer because Ron was a hack. I don't even think Hayden looks particularly great now; or that the writers want us to think she's 100% right and Nik 100% wrong (which is crazy), it's just that Nik looks that bad.

 

This I can't blame Passanante and Altman for since it was Ron's ridiculous idea to have Nik shoot a woman into a coma; it would be a cliche but at this point maybe it would be best if there were a third shooter. I dunno.

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There are fans of the Corinthos family and of Sonny - as hard as that is to believe.

 

I understand and don't deny that. The problem is though, that everything is slanted from this point of view. They are writing solely for the Sonny and Corinthos family fans. What about the rest of us? What about those of us who don't want to see Sonny praised continuously day after day, basically pretending something to be true just because characters are forced to say it? What about those of us who don't appreciate Sonny being blameless while Ava receives all of the blame? What about those of us who would appreciate at least one of his kids hating him and it staying that way? It would be one thing if there was a balance or a mix between the two, but I can't imagine that there are any Sonny fans unhappy with his writing or his story. They certainly can't complain about air time, or that he's being treated unfairly. The non-Sonny fans simply have to endure endless OTT viewings of the same thing, over and over again. No one is allowed to be right. No one is allowed to stay mad. It's lazy, unimaginative writing and I'm bored, sick and tired of it.

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I think they thought the ongoing joke (from old school JaSam as well) that Sam was better at fixing shit and Jason was better at cooking would be cute. I mean, I love the banter, but they couldn't have it be something a little more difficult than a BOX?.

That was PAINFUL. Jason can build a bomb but a toy box is beyond his capabilities? It couldn't just be a big bulky thing that could be assembled faster with two people? And he was "using the wrong tool", really? It's a BOX. You're using a hex key or a screw driver and if he's honestly trying to use a Philips head instead of a flat head screw driver? He needs to be reexamined for brain damage.

I like that Sam can MacGyver a car engine. She spent time as a car thief and lived and worked by herself on a boat - that makes sense for the character. But Jason ran a motorcycle shop where he fixed motorcycles full time and he has owned his own motorcycle for years. He knows how to fix the damn things.

I can't help thinking that the writers believe they're writing to the level of their audience - and that's damned insulting because this shit is stupid.

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Jason should have stayed with Elizabeth and her boys, since he spent his entire time on this show not too interested in finding out about his past life and IS only with Sam out of default because of the lie.

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In Jason's defense, he probably has a brain scan that looks like swiss cheese due to decades of brain damage. It's a wonder he isn't drooling in the corner just coloring on the floor. He's had more brain surgeries than some people get checkups.

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I'll take this Jason over gogurts eating, laundry folding, dumb ass cypher Jake any day. Jake wasn't even a real boy, just Liez and stupid Nic's paper doll they got to dress up and play with. Ugh.

Every show should open with Curtis shirtless and boxing. Every day.

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I understand and don't deny that. The problem is though, that everything is slanted from this point of view. They are writing solely for the Sonny and Corinthos family fans. What about the rest of us? What about those of us who don't want to see Sonny praised continuously day after day, basically pretending something to be true just because characters are forced to say it? What about those of us who don't appreciate Sonny being blameless while Ava receives all of the blame? What about those of us who would appreciate at least one of his kids hating him and it staying that way? It would be one thing if there was a balance or a mix between the two, but I can't imagine that there are any Sonny fans unhappy with his writing or his story. They certainly can't complain about air time, or that he's being treated unfairly. The non-Sonny fans simply have to endure endless OTT viewings of the same thing, over and over again. No one is allowed to be right. No one is allowed to stay mad. It's lazy, unimaginative writing and I'm bored, sick and tired of it.

 

+100. It disgusts me.

 

I can't help thinking that the writers believe they're writing to the level of their audience - and that's damned insulting because this shit is stupid.

 

I think this as well and it really is so insulting. I'm not 100% sure it's the writers as much as FV though. But in any case I keep watching so I guess I can only be mad at myself.

 

Every show should open with Curtis shirtless and boxing. Every day.

 

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I understand and don't deny that. The problem is though, that everything is slanted from this point of view. They are writing solely for the Sonny and Corinthos family fans. What about the rest of us? What about those of us who don't want to see Sonny praised continuously day after day, basically pretending something to be true just because characters are forced to say it? What about those of us who don't appreciate Sonny being blameless while Ava receives all of the blame? What about those of us who would appreciate at least one of his kids hating him and it staying that way? It would be one thing if there was a balance or a mix between the two, but I can't imagine that there are any Sonny fans unhappy with his writing or his story. They certainly can't complain about air time, or that he's being treated unfairly. The non-Sonny fans simply have to endure endless OTT viewings of the same thing, over and over again. No one is allowed to be right. No one is allowed to stay mad. It's lazy, unimaginative writing and I'm bored, sick and tired of it.

 

Very spot-on post.  I felt exactly that way about the show basically sweeping everything that happened between Michael and Sonny re: AJ under the rug.  It was crystal clear they were appealing to Sonny fans who wanted Michael to stop being mean to him about shooting that fat Quartermaine.  And I wouldn't even have begrudged the shooting leading Michael to decide he wanted to have some kind of relationship with Sonny.  But by having Michael fall to his knees and beg for forgiveness and having his purpose on the show reduced to telling Sonny how awesome he is, there's no balance in the storytelling and they basically told the section of the audience who doesn't like Sonny to go fuck themselves.  Why - in this time of precarious viewership - wouldn't you want to find that balance, to appeal to as many viewers as possible?

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I think TIIC believe that, due to Guza's relentless mob focus, most of GH's remaining fans are also Sonny/mob fans. They seem to have decided that lack of mob/Sonny was responsible for the dreadful ratings last summer instead of acknowledging that RC was serving up a hot mess in every storyline - in addition to his focus on Fluke, his precious non-GH characters and quads in every age group. JP/SA are still playing out his stories. RC dropped and wrapped up just about everything W/A were doing within his first month.  I think TIIC honestly believe that they're playing it safe by turning GH into the Sonny hallelujah hour and employing the most boring unimaginative duo in soaps 

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I think that the story with Michael and the Quartermaines/Sonny and Carly was a big miss when they sent Michael back to the Corinthos with no problems. Giving Avery back, immediately forgiving his parents; it was a huge mistake. If they wanted them to interact because of Morgan they could have but just with chilly reception from Micheal and with him NOT giving Avery back at all. They had a good plot involving a lot of the characters for the next couple of years. Writers solution: KILL THAT STORY. 

 

Back to the episode: Curtis shutting down Dante was one of my favorite scenes. Why do you care Dante? You know who usually gets left out in the cold in the affair with married people? The non-married person. Get over it Dante. 

 

I would love for Sam and Jason to have more meaningful conversations but I guess the banter with Sam being better at fixing things is here to stay. I'll take what I can get for right now. I'm glad they are going to talk to Shawn to figure out hopefully who was responsible for shooting Hayden. 

 

Nikolas is seriously trying to play like HE was the one played with Hayden. Please. You took awhile to play the "you hired someone to shoot me in the head." card Hayden. Glad she is finally acknowledging it. 

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Nikolas is seriously trying to play like HE was the one played with Hayden. Please.

 

Leaving aside Nikolas TRYING TO HAVE HER KILLED and still lying about it while lecturing her about the importance of honesty in a relationship...why is he so surprised?  Wasn't that supposed to be the dynamic all along, that they were both kinda playing each other?  Wasn't it in their stupid wedding vows?

 

This story, I swear. #rageembolism

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Leaving aside Nikolas TRYING TO HAVE HER KILLED and still lying about it while lecturing her about the importance of honesty in a relationship...why is he so surprised?  Wasn't that supposed to be the dynamic all along, that they were both kinda playing each other?  Wasn't it in their stupid wedding vows?

 

This story, I swear. #rageembolism

The lecturing is making me want someone to poke out Nik's eyes! He already knew Hayden was lying about something. He didn't care two weeks ago. It's so inconsistent. 

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Is anyone going to tell Kiki that a guy with her dead dad's face is wandering around the hospital where she is?

Why isn't Franco on his 5th character?  They just keep trying to fit him into the show, a square peg in a round hole.

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Is anyone going to tell Kiki that a guy with her dead dad's face is wandering around the hospital where she is?

 

Fingers crossed she randomly comes across Finn and dies from the shock of his resemblance to Silas. If Ava could do the same, I'd appreciate that, too. She's pointless these days.

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I'm way behind on watching the episodes and reading the comments, but I had to pipe up and say, 'What the hell is going on with the outdoor shots? Isn't that what one of the other soaps used to do? It's terrible. And it looks weird.'

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Fingers crossed she randomly comes across Finn and dies from the shock of his resemblance to Silas. If Ava could do the same, I'd appreciate that, too. She's pointless these days.

 

 

Throw Nina in too, please.

 

And Franco. Franco needs to be killed. Always. 

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Nikolas (to the woman HE TRIED TO HAVE KILLED who he repeatedly said he was going to divorce on Friday): If you blackmail me, we have no chance of rebuilding.

 

Me: FUUUUUUUUCK YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU.

 

I mean, what the actual fuck?  I don't think I heard him actually apologize for TRYING TO HAVE HER KILLED! 

 

GAAAAAAAAAAAH! #rageembolism

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Nikolas (to the woman HE TRIED TO HAVE KILLED who he repeatedly said he was going to divorce on Friday): If you blackmail me, we have no chance of rebuilding.

 

lol what.

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This insane behavior from Nik would work if he were scrambling to keep Rebecca Budig from discovering he tried to shoot her, or to keep her from taking ELQ away from him, but neither of those things is happening, so it is, as Oracle42 said, it's both bad TV and bad soap.

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You know, I'm kinda liking Finn and Tracy! I'm stuck on them becoming close friends who have each other's backs, but I wouldn't be completely opposed to an older woman/younger man romance either. Nathan's asking for it, and it's gonna be fun when he gets blown out of the water. He tells Maxie some story fit for Superman/The Man of Steel, but obviously withholds the most pertinent information about "Claudette." Nice to see that he's still got Dr. O of all people supporting him keeping this secret. I expect any day now for someone to show up and put the fear of God into Nathan over this secret.

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My first thought when he called Dr. O was that the writers hadn't done enough background research. They saw he was her son and wrote from there. 

IIRC, didn't he find out Dr. O was his mother just a couple of years ago?

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didn't he find out Dr. O was his mother just a couple of years ago?

About six months ago.  But when the whole Claudette nonsense started they specifically had Dr O mention that Magda had told her what happened between Claudette and Nathan.  And I guess Nathan has now fully accepted that Liesl is his mother, so he can talk secrets with her.  

 

 

What the hell is going on with the outdoor shots?

What's worst is that they're supposed to be in upstate New York in early spring.  I'm in Toronto, across the border from "Port Charles" and last night we had a boatload of snow, so deep I had to send my daughter to school today in her freakin' snow pants.  We weren't sitting around on a blanket on the bright green grass wearing short sleeve shirts, with our shoes off.  

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But when the whole Claudette nonsense started they specifically had Dr O mention that Magda had told her what happened between Claudette and Nathan.

 

Speaking of Magda, considering the lengths she went to trying to sever Nina and Silas' relationship and how up her ass Nathan was when he first showed up, no way do I believe she would have stood by and let him green card marry some rando.

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Claudette was a green card marriage? Vaguely interesting—some thought was put into it—but the drama they're trying to make it into is so fake and forced.

 

You know, I'm kinda liking Finn and Tracy! I'm stuck on them becoming close friends who have each other's backs, but I wouldn't be completely opposed to an older woman/younger man romance either.

Same here. ME and JE play off each other really well. They were adorable playing Monopoly.

 

The location shots look like a really nice community garden.

 

"Maybe there's a reason you couldn't get a clean shot."

LOL. The reason is Shawn is terrible at his job!

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About six months ago.  

 

Dr. O revealed the truth about nathan being her son fairly quickly. It was at least out in the open by December 2014 because I remember the horrid scene where Dr O was singing by his bedside when he was shot by Jason.

 

 

Sam: I'm sorry, Nikolas.

Nik: Are you?

Me: jsjajahjajajajjajwjkekajjqhakkqjskkjjskkajanakkajakjajajskjsjajjajqjjwjjbcqhqnhahiqkwbna

 

Pleasesaynopleasesaynopleasesayno

 

I just want Sam to reply, "you know what? You're right. Byeeeeeeee."

 

Sure, Nikolas won't go to the police because that would implicate Liz and Laura. Sure.

 

How do they let Roger Howarth on tv with that air? Was Franco fresh from the shower again? do they think the wet hair makes the hair look good? CAUSE IT REALLY DOESN'T.

 

what's with this coy "oh Claudette is NOTHING . . . but she IS" crapola? Just get to the break-up or whatever already. 

 

Oh, Michelle Stafford.

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Oh, Michelle Stafford.

Made me snort-laugh because that's generally my reaction once she reaches full flail. Occasionally that's combined with the St Jasus head shake of bewildered disappointment

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Sam: I'm sorry, Nikolas.

Nik: Are you?

Me: jsjajahjajajajjajwjkekajjqhakkqjskkjjskkajanakkajakjajajskjsjajjajqjjwjjbcqhqnhahiqkwbna

 

Why? Why does this show refuse to write anything properly?? Nik has faced no repercussions for anything and now that he is, everyone is supposed to feel sorry for him that Big Bad Hayden is blackmailing him with proof that HE TRIED TO KILL HER

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And what's really scary is that I think the show still wants us rooting for Nikolas and Rebecca Budig.  Never mind, I guess, Rebecca Budig telling Curtis that she wouldn't be surprised if Nikolas was plotting to have her killed AGAIN at that very moment while Nikolas wouldn't confirm to Liz that he wasn't about to do just that.

 

I mean...WTF?!?! #rageembolism

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NGL I enjoyed this episode. 

 

I kinda really liked all the Nina/Julian scenes. I hate myself for that.

 

Also, if I pretend Franco isn't Franco I sorta kinda like Liz/Franco. I truly hate myself.

 

Tracy/Finn were adorable. ADORABLE! 

 

I can't with this Maxie/Nathan shit. "Oh yes Maxie I've told you everything." Minutes later, "Mom, don't tell Maxie all the stuff I didn't tell her ok thanks bye!" What is the motherfucking point of all this?

 

No to Nik. Just no. On every level. He is digusting.

 

And that brings me to the best part of today's episode, my man Curtis. Never ruin him, show, PLEASE! Also, the Curtis/Hayden friendship is beautiful. I squeed when he put his hand on her back.

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I'm more and more convinced TC is out...I just don't see a way to make Nik a viable character unless they just decide to go all out villain on him. And the writers don't see to have any interesting in trying to redeem him in any way. If they're trying to do a Carson sort of couple where the 2 are as bad and toxic to themselves and each other fine, but lying about your past, or even marrying someone for money is not on the same level as trying to kill someone over money, and the writers need to stop pretending that it is.

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Claudette was a green card marriage? Vaguely interesting—some thought was put into it—but the drama they're trying to make it into is so fake and forced.

 

Same here. ME and JE play off each other really well. They were adorable playing Monopoly.

 

The location shots look like a really nice community garden.

 

LOL. The reason is Shawn is terrible at his job!

I truly thought this was some sort of an inside joke, cause although I am sure there are Canadians who want to reside in the US, it just seems a little ridiculous and so maybe they were mocking all this immigration stuff in the news.

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If they're trying to do a Carson sort of couple where the 2 are as bad and toxic to themselves and each other fine, but lying about your past, or even marrying someone for money is not on the same level as trying to kill someone over money, and the writers need to stop pretending that it is.

 

The fact that they are expecting us to accept that they're on the same level suggests to me that TC isn't out. I mean they've definitely ruined Nik, but I don't get the sense that they even realize they have.

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The fact that they are expecting us to accept that they're on the same level suggests to me that TC isn't out. I mean they've definitely ruined Nik, but I don't get the sense that they even realize they have.

 

Oh totally, the writers have convinced themselves that they've convinced us that Nikolas is the victim here.

 

HE'S NOT OMG HATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! #rageembolism

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Maxie: "I know Claudette isn't a dog...but she's still a bitch."

Me: "How far ahead does this damn show shoot again?  I said that five weeks ago!"

 

That specific eyeroll moment aside...this episode was almost saved by the lightheartedly goofy: Nina lighting into Julian offscreen-cartoon-style (Curtis actually provided just the right amount of sarcastic spice for that) and Hamtaro and Tracy playing Monopoly together, which may well be the very last thing I ever expected to see Tracy do.  That said, as nice as ME and JE seem to be together (and that split-second where Liz kinda went 'Hmmm...' over him), I'm still pushing like a madman for Liesl/Hamtaro hatesex.

 

As for the ongoing Rayden trainwreck?  Okay, so Nikolas may at least be considering trying to have her killed again...yeah, I'm kind of over this now.  If the show really is pushing for them as a couple, this was probably the episode where they needed to have both Rayden and Nik express (privately would have been nice) that they're both still kind of hung up on each other, if only to give folks something to root for--however flimsy--so of course they botched that.  Neither one is the victim, show!

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Maxie: "I know Claudette isn't a dog...but she's still a bitch."

 

I ffed those scenes, she actually said that? Wow, that's embarrassing. 12 year olds wouldn't pen that pun.

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I kinda really liked all the Nina/Julian scenes. I hate myself for that.

 

I can't with this Maxie/Nathan shit. "Oh yes Maxie I've told you everything." Minutes later, "Mom, don't tell Maxie all the stuff I didn't tell her ok thanks bye!" What is the motherfucking point of all this?

 

I like that Nina was finally smart enough to get control of Crimson since she's the one dumping all of her money into it.

 

I'm still confused as to how talking tree has managed to avoid being burned down in a devastating forest fire.

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