Episode Discussion: TFGH

[HeatLifer]

when Sam said something to Julian, mocking him trying to claim to be "what, a "GOOD' mobster?" I was packing a suitcase and it sounded like she did air quotes around "good" ... her voice sure did ... I whirled around and I looked slackjawed... and said to no one since I live alone 'are you KIDDING me?" Sam has been a mob apologist as long as she's been on the show. Yes, let's see how her dubiousness of the possibility of 'good' mobsters when the Jason reveal happens. Because I would love Julian to pop up with a 'well, remember what you said in December ... "

I think the reason they had Sam go there was because of the Jason stuff. Like, "Ohh! Sam hates the mob life! Uh oh! Jase is alive!"

[CPP83]

Why did it take Sonny 2 weeks to get transfered from jail to prison and yet for Franco it was 2 minutes?

 

 

 

Well somebody had to come to Johnny's rescue and save him from Sonny's "Oral-B Toothbrush of Death" he keeps threatening him with. Though the end of that toothbrush is about as sharp as Sonny's wit.

 

He'd end up stabbing himself first before he could ever actually dig it into Johnny's neck.

 

 

 

Sam made absolutely no sense this episode.

 

 

 

It's been so long since she last did I can't even remember the last time...

 

I think she focuses too much on staying upright as she teeter totters around on those stilts for heels she has to wear to give her a bit of height.

 

Seeing how tiny Kelly is against William, if she didn't have those heels on she would have looked like a nine year old up against him, imo.

 

 

I think the reason they had Sam go there was because of the Jason stuff. Like, "Ohh! Sam hates the mob life! Uh oh! Jase is alive!"

 

 

 

Well really it's nothing new for her to go after Julian's mobster status. 

 

Ever since she found out Derek really was Julian and her father and a mobster she's always acted like that was a huge issue for her. She even went after him for daring to have targeted Sonny and his territory from the get go., because he was the "bad mobster" for doing so while Sonny, her buddy, her pal, her former baby daddy, was the "good mobster".

 

She's used Julian's mob status against him since the beginning, long before "Jake" appeared. I can't even begin to recall all the times Sam disparaged Julian for doing everything Jason used to do, and sometimes she even helped him do willingly. She was his "ride or die" chick after all... *Sighs"

Edited December 23, 2014 by CPP83

[boes]

So Moobs tells Johnny to be careful because he doesn't want to tangle with HIM?  Delusional, much, Orange Glow?  At this stage he's less like Rambo and more like St. Nick from The Night Before Christmas who shook when he laughed, like a bowl full of jelly.   Except, of course, that unlike Jolly Old Saint Nick, he's far more like Smelly Old Giant Dick - and that reference is NOT literal.  NOT.

 

Carly giving motherly comfort and advice......I just can't.  She's just the worst.

[Chairperson Meow]

I keep seeing Todd Manning in prison. Doesn't hurt that RH is looking hot now and growing stubble. Sonny needs to watch himself. Todd Manning will cut a bitch, blind a bitch, manipulate a Christian girl in a cult by getting her to read him Scripture. .....Dude can survive.

But lol if Ron dares to have Carly reading the Good Book to Sonny at Pentonville.

[jsbt]

Oh, fuck Franco.

[WendyCR72]

I don't wanna fuck Franco. <whine > I DO want his useless ass off the show, though. I give no fucks if he is Franco, Todd, whoever the hell he was on ATWT, just...go do your prime time gig and be gone so Franco can leave, too. Win, win.

[CPP83]

I don't wanna fuck Franco. <whine > I DO want his useless ass off the show, though. I give no fucks if he is Franco, Todd, whoever the hell he was on ATWT, just...go do your prime time gig and be gone so Franco can leave, too. Win, win.

 

 

The day Franco, the SERIAL KILLER, finally is gone from this show, hopefully in a body bag that catches fire and falls down a bottomless pit, will be the day I break out the good bubbly.

[Turtle]

Do you guys remember a few weeks ago when we were all enjoying (or at least tolerating well) this show?  That was so fun.  And lasted for about three days.

 

This show sucks. Merry Fucking Christmas, Ron, you ass. Can you tell I'm not happy?

 

Cannot tell at all... (But I'm right there with you.)

[sunnyface]

Who wants to bet that Carly is going to be a commonly discussed subject amongst those three? Kill me now

 

 

At least there appears to be more square footage in the prison yard than at the hospital - so there will be more room for the hot air to dissipate.  

[loveigniting]

My greatest hope is that Ava lied about the potential baby daddies and the boat captain really is the father. He or AJ somehow, I'm flexible like that.

 

Same. I'm going to be the heartless bitch and say that I have zero qualms about that baby dying if she's related to Sonny or even if she isn't for that matter. Too many babies and too many stories about babies on this show. 

 

Yet another year comes to close and I'm still so bored and apathetic by everything on the show. Merry fucking Christmas, indeed.

Edited December 23, 2014 by loveigniting

[boes]

At least there appears to be more square footage in the prison yard than at the hospital - so there will be more room for the hot air to dissipate.  

 

But those two gas bags, Stinko and Moobs will just keep belching it and belching it.  Poor Johnny - their methane will be the ruination of him.

[IWantCandy71]

You know, I think we are supposed to assume Carly not being related to the baby means it's Sonny's, or even that there's going to be a secret with Morgan's birth. I think the truth is much more simple: that there is a third possible father out there. (as others have already said). Yeah it would be  a retcon, but soaps have done it. It's a bit of a cheat, and I was rooting for the baby to be Morgan's, but Sonny definitely doesn't need more chitlins.

I have thought Michael may pull a meathook and take the baby as well.

 

I did the eye roll at the "good mobster" comment, too. Oh, Julian. Sam will only associate with a mobster if he's someone she can sleep with. You're outta luck.

 

And Alexis. Yeah, she has a right to refuse to help Franco, and she really should, ethically NOT help him. And, she has a right to gloat that he might have to actually pay for something.

But then I remember her shoving a man off a balcony to his death, and being such a gutless coward about it, that she faked DID to get away with it. So I have no qualms about calling her out as the pathetic hypocrite she is. Running from the cops/sleeping with a killer, faking a mental illness, killing someone, running someone over and leaving them to die, it's all good if Alexis or one of her spawn does it.

But if you're not Alexis or someone she's protecting, you don't have the same rights.

 

Just affirmation of why I loathe her so much. Julian dear, count your blessings, and run.

 

Oh, and I wonder who the fourth member of the Prison Barbershop Quartet with Sonny, Franco, and Johnny will be? Carlos, back in? Julian? Or will it somehow be a mixed one, with Ava being the final member-though I'm not sure how that'd work.

Edited December 23, 2014 by IWantCandy71

[peachmangosteen]

I thought Roger played it as Franco acting campy on purpose b/c he WAS hamming it up for the judge. I thought it was horribly campy on purpose. 

 

I think that's definitely what they were going for there, but since RH has basically been playing Franco at full tilt camp for so long now it didn't really work.

 

I still kinda like Franco/Nina, but at the same time it's hard to reconcile since their default acting position is OTT insanity so it comes off kinda weird/disingenuous when they tone it down and also because, you know, one of them is a serial killer and the other did a lot of OTT fucked up stuff.

 

Danny creeped me right the fuck out yesterday. He was super smiley and then he turned on a dime into his dead-eyed killer look. He is frightening.

Edited December 23, 2014 by peachmangosteen

[IWantCandy71]

Shout out to Franco's lawyer and the judge. RH was horrible, once again. Since he clearly doesn't want to be here I hope he doesn't bother resigning when his contract is up.

I'm curious. How is it clear he doesn't want to be here?

 

And if he doesn't want to be, doesn't that make him the smartest man in the room? At least he's not tweeting about his "pairing" as it it's the best, sexiest thing since sliced bread, and how anyone who doesn't like it is an idiot.

I'll take RH, his character, and his acting, any day and twice on Sundays, over NLG and her BTS crap and her truly unlikeable character.

[IWantCandy71]

I still like RH. I don't think he did a bad job. I'll sit alone in my corner. More box wine for me. Screw it. I'll pop open some champagne. RH has a shit character that was played by an overrated actor who was making a farce of the soap genre, written by a head writer who didn't want to be in the genre. He's been miscast. I like Franco and Nina. Some people like Sonny. Some people eat sardines. Some people eat spam. It's freedom.

I'm surprised that the Firm Lawyer wasn't played by Sean Moyihan and more of a Kirk Geiger.

High five to who knows that.

You're not alone in your corner. At least RH has more tricks up his sleeve than NLG's tired shaking of her bangs out of her eyes to express annoyance/anger/frustration, etc.

[Harmony233]

I feel like were supposed to see nina/Franco like a lucy/scotty type of couple.However I feel they've went too far with franco and nina I mean kidnapping a baby.

[TeeVee329]

In other news, are we supposed to just forget about that cliffhanger of Helena threatening to ruin Nikolas?  How has that not been addressed yet?

[Cobalt Stargazer]

I feel like were supposed to see nina/Franco like a lucy/scotty type of couple.However I feel they've went too far with franco and nina I mean kidnapping a baby.

 

And it isn't just that those freaks kidnapped a baby, it's that Nina intended to rip the kid out of Ava's womb and leave her to die to get her. And I'm supposed to root for her and Franco to be a family, standing together against the big meanies who just don't understand them? Pull the other one, Ron, it's getting bored.

[TeeVee329]

And it isn't just that those freaks kidnapped a baby, it's that Nina intended to rip the kid out of Ava's womb and leave her to die to get her.

 

Exactly.  Babies have been kidnapped since soap time began, but inducing the labor was too far.  It wasn't as horrific, but it did remind me of a storyline on "Private Practice" (I know, I know) where a mentally disturbed woman attacked a pregnant doctor and literally cut the baby out of her and left her to die.

[Fylaki]

 

In other news, are we supposed to just forget about that cliffhanger of Helena threatening to ruin Nikolas?  How has that not been addressed yet?

Nik and Helena have nothing to do with Nina or Franco so Ron is not interested.

[peachmangosteen]

Yea, and then add in the fact that we were subjected to at least 2 episodes of Nina torturing a pregnant Ava and they just took it too far.

 

But I still think Nina is probably redeemable though. And MSt is showing lately that she can and is willing to play Nina as not OTT. But Franco is too far gone. It's over, RC, let it go.

[loveigniting]

Exactly.  Babies have been kidnapped since soap time began, but inducing the labor was too far.  It wasn't as horrific, but it did remind me of a storyline on "Private Practice" (I know, I know) where a mentally disturbed woman attacked a pregnant doctor and literally cut the baby out of her and left her to die.

 

I saw something similar on Spartacus, I think, so I wasn't surprised that Nina with her questionable sanity would go there. Difference was I cared about both the characters in question on that show and Ava and Nina can both go jump off a cliff.

 

Danny creeped me right the fuck out yesterday. He was super smiley and then he turned on a dime into his dead-eyed killer look. He is frightening.

 

 

 

Truly his father's son (smiling wasn't in Jason 1.0's programming but the new one smiles a lot so).

Edited December 23, 2014 by loveigniting

[TeeVee329]

I saw something similar on Spartacus, I think, so I wasn't surprised that Nina with her questionable sanity would go there.

 

Did the character on "Spartacus" drone on and on about a stupid horse named Allegra?

 

(And btw, is that a Miss America Chavez avatar?  Awesome!)

[Fylaki]

I could go with a "real" examination of how money and power play in the justice system, with Nina using her money to get Ava freed if in return Ava drops chargers against Nina. And what I mean by "real" is not a whitewashed one episode discussion of that is how things worked but a real look at the minds of the two women, or the way the money would move hands in the background, or judges tortured by the corruption that they are facing. Of a DA (Scott) trapped by a system that is breaking down around him, of a mayor (Flea?) in the midst of a judicial scandal.  You know real human drama and plot.

 

But this is Ron and he lacks the talent

[peachmangosteen]

Can you even imagine RC trying to write that? LMAO! I hope he does try because it would be funny as hell.

[loveigniting]

Did the character on "Spartacus" drone on and on about a stupid horse named Allegra?

 

(And btw, is that a Miss America Chavez avatar?  Awesome!)

 LOL. ngl I laughed when I found out that Allegra was an animal.

 

(Yes, it is! I love her)

[One Tough Cookie]

I don't like this Danny at all, sorry. I have very little use for blond hair characters (Ava is pretty much my only exception, and early Kelly Taylor), and I just think the other Danny was so much cuter.

 

 

Also not a fan-- {God forgive me} the kid gives me the creeps...

[Chairperson Meow]

I loved when Danny gave Patrick the Finger Poke of Doom and laughed, saying "You're Funny!" He was taunting Dr Douche of his impending doom.

[Bawoman]

Todd Manning will cut a bitch, blind a bitch, manipulate a Christian girl in a cult by getting her to read him Scripture. .....Dude can survive.

 

 

 

90s OLTL Todd maybe. 2010's GH Todd would have gotten shanked in about 5 minutes after sharing one of his clownish wisecracks with his prison buddies.

Edited December 23, 2014 by Bawoman

[LeftPhalange]

 

I'm going to be the heartless bitch and say that I have zero qualms about that baby dying if she's related to Sonny or even if she isn't for that matter. Too many babies and too many stories about babies on this show.

 

If the stupid demon baby isn't going to die can she at least be adopted by someone who doesn't live in PC, never to be seen or heard from again.

[Chairperson Meow]

Let's be real here. If Robin takes Emma far far away, who will Spencer, Cam, and Aiden date?

Creepy Giant Baby is needed to populate Port Charles.

[NutmegsDad]

*sigh*

 

The anvils that the Davis Family will be together just in time for Christmas signal that Carrrrrlos and Johnny are going to be taken down by Moobster, Inc. I'm getting ready that Franco will be the "snitch" to bring down Johnny so that Sonny can stay "pure",

 

*ugh*

 

Everyone's in love with the new lawyer. I'm just amazed that there's a THIRD lawyer in Port Charles. Who smuggled him from Genoa City?

 

Yeah, Carly and Silas changed the DNA results. She's an old pro at this. Hopefully this time, Morgan won't be hanging on a hook signing his parental rights away to Sonny.

 

So the Maxie/Judge Cockblocker saga is.... over. Just like that. At this stage, I should be relieved, but I miss a final comeuppance. I'm just imagining that Dr. O. found the mole working at GH (Nurse Day-Player) and that Monica's been out of the country for a week, so Judge Cockblocker lied in court.

 

I imagine they couldn't get a German translation of "I've got you by the shorthairs, big boy. You fuck with the son, you lose your balls to the mother." Well, they had "mutter".

 

Coming up: we find out if President Obama's assertion from Friday that Fluke is Kim-Jong Un is correct.

Edited December 23, 2014 by NutmegsDad

[Chairperson Meow]

Can we get Space Jam in lieu of a repeat then?

[IWantCandy71]

I don't think Maxie's baby saga is over.

 

I missed Friday's episode because of Obama's speech, but I think Monday was Friday being replayed? At least, that's what my DVR said. Anyway, it's my understanding it's Dr O who did something, and SHE is who Nathan was on the phone with at one point. Either way, it's purposely unclear if Dr O did something to "help", or if the judge just had a last minute change of heart.

IF the judge had a last minute change of heart-he'll likely change it again after Dr O does her thing. IDK.

Confused.

 

Edited December 23, 2014 by IWantCandy71

[Tiger]

 

Coming up: we find out if President Obama's assertion from Friday that Fluke is Kim-Jong Un is correct.

That would certainly explain the attraction to Kiki.

[GHScorpiosRule]

I remember, at this time, roughly last year, RobertFucking!Scorpio, dressed as Santa, saying "Happy Christmas" and giving Emma a digdgeridoo, as well as telling Robin that her stupid husband better stop acting like a jackass or he'd talk to him (or something like that).
 
I just loved seeing the Scorpios together.
 
As for Sam not wanting to lead the mob life anymore? Please. The second she finds out Jake is her precious Jason, she'll forget whatever high notions she's been spouting. I mean, after all, according to her, Jason was "an HONORABLE man that Faison murdered in cold blood.
 
IF Kimberly is indeed been taping and will be appearing soon, I want this FUCKING JASON to remember HER first and everything she did for him, remember their conversations before Ava hit him, drop-kick Patrick, and then help Robin escape.
 
And I also want a horsie. And my hair back.

Edited December 23, 2014 by GHScorpiosRule

[loveigniting]

Let's be real here. If Robin takes Emma far far away, who will Spencer, Cam, and Aiden date?

Creepy Giant Baby is needed to populate Port Charles.

 Spencer and Cam can date each other when they get older.  It can be semi-scandalous because they were raised as cousins but that's how Cassadines roll IMO. Aiden who? I forgot he exists.

[NutmegsDad]

 

I don't think Maxie's baby saga is over.

 

I missed Friday's episode because of Obama's speech, but I think Monday was Friday being replayed? At least, that's what my DVR said. Anyway, it's my understanding it's Dr O who did something, and SHE is who Nathan was on the phone with at one point. Either way, it's purposely unclear if Dr O did something to "help", or if the judge just had a last minute change of heart.

IF the judge had a last minute change of heart-he'll likely change it again after Dr O does her thing. IDK.

Confused.

 

 

I'm citing -- let's call it -- "ReRon's Trope of  Reversed Expectations". Every time Maxie's been up for visitations, she's been "There's no way Judge Walters will deny me," and yet, Judge Cockblocker shits out a new ruling because Nathan has two names and he gets hurt in the line of duty. This time, she joined the rest of us with 'Fuck this shit, just FF already where Georgie is played by Lindze Letherman," and lo and behold, the Judge calls Alexis that he's revised his decision. Right after Nathan asked (very reluctantly) for Dr. O. to help. Yup. she'll see her, maybe for good.

[sometimesfan]

I loved it as well.  Especially since Sonny was all, "I guess I should act upset or something over my brother being dead, oh I know, I'll use my little toothbrush thingy to threaten Johnny with", and how Johnny didn't look scared at all.  Then Sonny's Big Man act gets stuffed... AGAIN...

 

I can't help it, every time Sonny loses an angel gets it's wings.

 

I also had to giggle at Gabriel's big, manly gun.  My mind flashed back to those little itty bitty numbers Sonny always held in his (shaking) hands and... let's just say I drew the proper conclusions.  Hee!

 

 

I thought it was significant that, when Sam said Molly would need her whole family to help her through this difficult time, she looked straight at Julian.  It read to me like she was including him in to the family.  I thought it was a nice touch.

 

Julian is not now nor will he ever be Molly's family. UGH!

[jsbt]

I literally started whimpering the minute Franco's dumb ass waltzed into the prison yard. They'll never stop trying with this piece of shit. And Nina is just as bad.

[IWantCandy71]

I'm citing -- let's call it -- "ReRon's Trope of  Reversed Expectations". Every time Maxie's been up for visitations, she's been "There's no way Judge Walters will deny me," and yet, Judge Cockblocker shits out a new ruling because Nathan has two names and he gets hurt in the line of duty. This time, she joined the rest of us with 'Fuck this shit, just FF already where Georgie is played by Lindze Letherman," and lo and behold, the Judge calls Alexis that he's revised his decision. Right after Nathan asked (very reluctantly) for Dr. O. to help. Yup. she'll see her, maybe for good.

I know-I'm just not clear-and I don't think we're supposed to be, yet-on if it was a change of heart or Dr O scheming.

My guess is, it was a change of heart, and Maxie was in the clear, but when Dr O does her thing, the judge will clamp down even harder and Maxie will blame Nathan.

Or not. It could be their version of a Christmas "miracle", that Maxie gets to visit her baby. And that's fine, if it ends the silliness with the judge.

[Artsda]

However Nathan got that slimy judge to back track on his stance I wish we could have seen the judges face when Nathan pulled his strings, he's probably tied into Fluke for all we know since he's trying to butter up Monica. 

However Nathan got that slimy judge to back track on his stance I wish we could have seen the judges face when Nathan pulled his strings, he's probably tied into Fluke for all we know since he's trying to butter up Monica. 

[TeeVee329]

I'm not sure how I feel about Nathan pulling strings (likely via Mutter) to get the judge to back off Maxie.  That's some pretty cavalier tossing aside of his principals as a cop for a woman he's been on one date with.

 

I fear, once Nathan's Big Bad Father is revealed, it'll turn into a lot of Rex Balsom-esque whining.  "I'm a monster, just like my daddy!".

[P3pp3rb1rd]

Although Sam has bragged about having "a lot of money" from being married to Jason, who was a hitman, it bothers me that instead of working she is supporting herself and Danny apparently on that "blood money" derived from Jason's career.

[jsbt]

I am so disgusted with the cardboard antagonist that is Judge Moesha that I honestly don't care what Nathan did. That character popped up overnight and made these insane demands that were totally plot-oriented and so outlandish - it was just so silly. And now we're probably going to be expected to invest in his and Monica's two-day romantic subplot. "It's story for the vets!" It's too bad because he's a great actor, but he's only here for this nonsense.

 

I guess we're supposed to think based on what she's said to Julian and others that Sam has now renounced her mob life because it lost her Jason, etc. but it's still a pretty thin angle given all the years she happily spent running and gunning with him and trying too hard to convince me she was "an action chick" (which never worked whenever she was with him, IMO). She is rich beyond avarice because of Jason's blood money and she'd take him back tomorrow.

Edited December 23, 2014 by jsbt

[TeeVee329]

I guess that's true, Judge Naxie Spoiler had to be stopped.

 

But wouldn't it have been nice if, you know, Maxie had proved she had changed instead of needing to be rescued by a man...

[Tiger]

I have Days on while im tooling around the house, and holy hell, I take back every bad thing ive ever said about GH's wardrobe & hair depts.

Those folks over at Days must absolutely hate their cast, especially Adrianne Zucker.

[KerleyQ]

You know, I think we are supposed to assume Carly not being related to the baby means it's Sonny's, or even that there's going to be a secret with Morgan's birth. I think the truth is much more simple: that there is a third possible father out there. (as others have already said). Yeah it would be  a retcon, but soaps have done it. It's a bit of a cheat, and I was rooting for the baby to be Morgan's, but Sonny definitely doesn't need more chitlins.

 

 

I'd be in, except that if they retcon, you just know it would be fucking Franco.  And he and Nina would get to raise the baby after all.  I'll just go bleach my keyboard now. 

[NutmegsDad]

Well somebody had to come to Johnny's rescue and save him from Sonny's "Oral-B Toothbrush of Death" he keeps threatening him with. Though the end of that toothbrush is about as sharp as Sonny's wit.

 

He'd end up stabbing himself first before he could ever actually dig it into Johnny's neck.

 

 

I was going for "Waterpik", but I like your Product Placement better. And when the fuck did Sonny get Helena's skills of close-quarters knifing?

[CPP83]

It's too bad because he's a great actor, but he's only here for this nonsense.

 

 

 

I know, he really is being wasted in such a useless, pointless role.

 

Honestly Jordan could use a family member, and a strong male role model for TJ that could also hand Shawn his ass as needed and tell him to stay the hell away from his family would be practically perfect.

 

But no, let's keep him wrapped up with Maxie's drama which was never going to amount to anything, as nothing has since she returned. It's Levi all over again. Terrible, awful and horrible things happen but the only payoff is that things just finally end, they don't mean squat, they just finally and thankfully fizzle out with a whimper.

Edited December 23, 2014 by CPP83