S07.E00: 100th Episode Special

[archer1267]

I don't know who styled Ramona for the 100th episode special, but those fake lashes made her look like the puppet Lamb Chop.

Edited September 20, 2015 by archer1267

[WireWrap]

According to Kelly, she did nothing wrong.  She didn't have a breakdown.  She was systematically bullied.  She won't even admit that she was wrong about yelling Al Sharpton, Al Sharpton.  So what do the women owe her an apology for?  They didn't bully her.  They responded to her hypocrisy (I don't eat processed foods.  Want a gummy bear?), her insistence that Beth was a cook, not a chef, her rudeness of not stepping away when she was on the phone, and then there was dinner.  Add to that all the things she said in her room when she wasn't with the other women. 

 

It would be different if she did admit that she had a mini breakdown and apologized for her behavior.  Then the women could say that they didn't fully realize until later in the dinner that there was something else going on besides Kelly being totally obnoxious.  They could offer an apology in turn.  The root of 'Scary' Island came from Kelly's behavior.  If she refuses to own any of it, any apology from the women just enforces Kelly's delusion of what she says happened.

I honestly don't think any of them "owe" Kelly an apology nor should they give her one, she was out of control. BUT (lol) acknowledging that she, Kelly, was Off Her Rocker and that had they realized that at the time, they would have handled her differently (aka/sent her home earlier) would go a long way in showing compassion for a delusional co-worker. It doesn't mean they, Bethenny, Sonja, Alex or Ramona did anything wrong at the time this was filmed but that they recognize that Kelly was unwell (and still is IMO) NOW.

[shoegal]

I honestly don't think any of them "owe" Kelly an apology nor should they give her one, she was out of control. BUT (lol) acknowledging that she, Kelly, was Off Her Rocker and that had they realized that at the time, they would have handled her differently (aka/sent her home earlier) would go a long way in showing compassion for a delusional co-worker. It doesn't mean they, Bethenny, Sonja, Alex or Ramona did anything wrong at the time this was filmed but that they recognize that Kelly was unwell (and still is IMO) NOW.

But *when* they realized she was off her rocker, they *did* change their behavior towards her. I think that's enough, IMO. Even when they changed their behavior, Kelly continued her delusional rants against them with her "systematic bullying". Kelly is crazy, but I don't think being crazy means the others have to just sit there and take it.

[freeradical]

During the Scary Island fiasco when Sonja went to Kelly's room on the yacht she said "it smells like cat pee in here" Kelly was paranoid, aggressive, nonsensical and sweaty the whole time. Look up symptoms of amphetamine use.

Regarding Bethenny, is there an article I missed about her buying Bravo or something? I'm confused about the Bethenny/ Andy/ Bravo conspiracy theory. Seems like that materialized out of thin air. Last season was SO boring. I think it's a better show with an alpha woman there.

Edited September 20, 2015 by freeradical

[AnnA]

We've seen the HWs go off the reservation so many times just to bring the drama Bravo covets so it may have taken the women (and production) a bit longer to realize that Kelly was seriously "unwell" on Scary Island. Once they did, the women backed off. Production made the decision to take her off the island. Ramona called Jill asking her to meet Kelly at the airport and Bethenny told Jill that this wasn't Bravo drama. It was real.

After Scary Island Kelly had lunch with LuAnn (and Jill???) and even though I don't remember exactly what Kelly said to LuAnn, it was far from reality.

IMO the fact that production removed Kelly from the island and escorted her back to New York, speaks volumes. I haven't heard Kelly comment on that at all.

[WireWrap]

But *when* they realized she was off her rocker, they *did* change their behavior towards her. I think that's enough, IMO. Even when they changed their behavior, Kelly continued her delusional rants against them with her "systematic bullying". Kelly is crazy, but I don't think being crazy means the others have to just sit there and take it.

What I said was in regards to Bethenny's comment during the 100th episode show, she showed absolutely NO compassion for Kelly at all, NONE, even though she acknowledged that Kelly was/is BSC. That is cold, ice cold, IMO.

[HunterHunted]

Kelly has so little self-awareness of her own limitations, mistakes, or deficits. She won't acknowledge that production had to intervene on Scary Island. She still won't accept that she's completely wrong about her Al Sharpton thing and running in traffic. The traffic thing gets me because she's such a narcissist that can't figure out that she is literally inconveniencing hundreds (maybe thousands depending on running routes) of people by running in traffic. I don't know if she has a diagnosable mental illness, but if she does then she also has anosognosia. She has such a tremendous lack of insight.

As quick witted as Bethenny is, her quips and one liners aren't particularly memorable. And as much of a disaster as she is, most of the really memorable one liners from this show are from Sonja.

[ScoobieDoobs]

Scoobie, now you're gonna make me watch that episode again.......I just remember that everyone tried their best to not engage or poke the crazy until much later....Kelly seemed to want a reaction and would poke with her unique style of communication until she got one. It was one of the most uncomfortable episodes I ever watched. I do believe that Bethenny is nursing a permanent the grudge as far as Kelly is concerned based on her words. Very much her father's style.

 

Hey, I think you're totally right.  Don't look to me to defend Kelly -- for her behavior on Scary Island, for the horrible way she acted toward Bethenny there & for the crap she was spouting on this 100th thing.  I halfway agree with Sonja on what she said here.  She said Kelly was "systematically annoying" on Scary Island & the others all ganged up on her.  Yeah, she was annoying -- but actually, she was nasty as fuck & quite aggressive (even if it was just verbal).  I'm not buying that anyone ganged up on her.  They all merely responded to her lunacy there.  Sorry, Kells, that's not ganging up.  My point is, the second they suspected (and we know they all did) that Kelly had mental health issues, none of them should have responded to or engaged with Kelly's lunacy.  But as I said, that doesn't make for good reality TV.

 

Someone above said Moaner said Kelly is fragile.  Have no idea if she did say that.  But I do know Bethenny said it on this 100th thing.  I still say, if she knows this woman is "fragile", why couldn't she just admit she could have handled her differently?  This kinda reminds me of the encounter I once had with a crazy homeless person on the subway.  First he got in my face & started screaming at me & then he tried to insult me.  Did I engage with him & scream back at him & insult him back?  No way, man.  I fled.  And I saw him (when I was at the opposite end of the subway car) taking out his dick & peeing on the floor.  Now, is this exactly the same situation as with Bethenny & Kelly?  Maybe not exactly the same.  But given how this dude was OK with peeing anytime/anywhere (like his palsy-walsy Bethenny), if Satan Andy was on the scene, I bet he woulda offered the guy a Bravo contract. 

 

As far as Kelly implying Bethenny is responsible for people thinking she's crazy -- which I think she did imply -- um, that's a bunch of crapola, Kells.  Look, if Bethenny was just saying over & over & over that Kelly was crazy, out of the blue & for absolutely no reason, I'd say maybe she has a point.  But no, Kells.  Bethenny (and Moaner too) was only making an observation based on Kelly's loony Scary Island behavior.  Sorry, deluded Kells.  Viewers come to conclusions on their own -- NOT because Bethenny tells them what to think.  If people thought (and still think) you are crazy, Kelly, that's all on you, hun.

 

Hey, I watched that scene again of her jogging in the middle of a busy street & thought the woman was completely out of her mind.  I mean, seriously, have any NY'ers ever seen anyone jogging in the middle of a busy Manhattan street?  It's insanity.  You could easily get yourself killed or seriously injured -- by the buses, the trucks, the cabs, the bikes and yeah, even the potholes.  No Kells, Bethenny sure as fuck didn't order me to think you're a lunatic -- you put that image in my head all by yourself.

Edited September 20, 2015 by ScoobieDoobs

[jaybird2]

just a few more thoughts before the mods tell us to 'move along'.

 

though i wish bethenny had elaborated more when asked about kelly and scary island, i can understand her reluctance.

 

i seemed to remember things differently than some of you.  i remember kelly as being horrible and dismissive of bethenny  both seasons without beth engaging kelly.  

 

kelly disparaged bethenny's career with no thought as to how it would affect b's lively hood.  kelly never acknowledged that she was wrong, even after her 'friends' told her was/is a chef.

 

bethenny has shown previously that she has compassion and empathy just not with kelly i can't say that i wouldn't be the same way.  

 

i think jill was orchestrating everything with kelly.  where did kelly come up with bethenny 'talking' about her children.  oh, and luann saying she thought kelly was bullied just blows my mind.  i know it shouldn't but it does.

 

[jaybird2]

scoobie i was in the middle of posting cooking so i didn't see your post.  we're in agreement the actions of kelly and halfway on bethenny's response.  

[shoegal]

What I said was in regards to Bethenny's comment during the 100th episode show, she showed absolutely NO compassion for Kelly at all, NONE, even though she acknowledged that Kelly was/is BSC. That is cold, ice cold, IMO.

Kelly made it seem as if Bethenny was responsible for the damage to Kelly's reputation and Kelly potentially losing custody of her children, and her ability to support her kids. Bethenny owes Kelly nothing as far as I'm concerned, and she was far more compassionate than she needed to be IMO. I don't see why Bethenny has to have compassion for Kelly, when Kelly still shows a willingness to go after Bethenny. Edited September 20, 2015 by shoegal

[Otherkate]

 

As far as Kelly implying Bethenny is responsible for people thinking she's crazy -- which I think she did imply -- um, that's a bunch of crapola, Kells.  Look, if Bethenny was just saying over & over & over that Kelly was crazy, out of the blue & for absolutely no reason, I'd say maybe she has a point.  But no, Kells.  Bethenny (and Moaner too) was only making an observation based on Kelly's loony Scary Island behavior.  Sorry, deluded Kells.  Viewers come to conclusions on their own -- NOT because Bethenny tells them what to think.  If people thought (and still think) you are crazy, Kelly, that's all on you, hun.

 

 

But, this is exactly why I think Bethenny would have been worse off even implying that Kelly is crazy or unwell. Kelly is already all worked up about "coming back from crazy." If I were Bethenny, I would do my best to not engage with or about Kelly at all. Kelly's life and behavior is not Bethenny's fault. It's been forever since I've watched Scary Island or that season, but I remember Kelly as being absolutely awful to the other women, especially Bethenny. I wouldn't give her an inch.

 

And, no, Scoobs, I have not EVER seen anyone else here jogging in traffic. If I did, I might call the cops. 

[bosawks]

If Beth really wanted to exhibit a complete and total lack of compassion she would have sent Kelly an apology gift bag....

[ScoobieDoobs]

i think jill was orchestrating everything with kelly.  where did kelly come up with bethenny 'talking' about her children.  oh, and luann saying she thought kelly was bullied just blows my mind.  i know it shouldn't but it does.

 

You know, I think Kelly just does not need to come back to this show anymore.  Bethenny certainly doesn't seem eager to bring her back.  What's the point?  UNLESS Kells wants to admit to stuff she hasn't before & if she wants to tell us the inside scoop on what exactly Jillzy was pulling with her usual devious manipulations.  Er, so why the heck did Moaner call Jillzy, when Kelly was having her meltdown on Scary Island?  Was Jillzy her next of kin or what?  Seems highly suspicious to me.

 

And Lu saying she thought Kells was bullied?  That just shows me she's still tight with Jillzy.  Cuz I bet that's the story Jillzy's sticking to -- for whatever her reasons.  Eh, Lu is a snake & she can't be trusted.  Bethenny knows that.  She said it years ago.  Nothing has changed.  Only thing that's changed is that it's common knowledge now Lu is a sex addict.  Anyone believe her when she shrugged off the question of whether outing her fling with the pirate was the cause for the breakup with Jacques?  Yeah, right.  Peddle that bullshit to peeps who don't know you, Lu.  We know you now, hun. 

[archer1267]

As far as Moaner's "regret" about the horribly cruel shit she said to Bethenny on the Brooklyn bridge?  Um, shouldn't she have said this years & years & years ago?  Like maybe at the reunion of the season that ep was on?

 

 

Ramona DID apologize that to Bethenny for her comments on the bridge. She apologized in St. John's (when she sat on B's lap during dinner) and expressed regret for the comments during the Reunion. (Which made Kelly retort "what about the things you said to me?")

 

I can totally see a Beth-Carole friendship. Bethenny had said that her friendship with Alex was 'easy,' and that she appreciated the lack of drama. Carole is fine with Beth being alpha female and doesn't butt heads over control the way Heather does with B.

Edited September 21, 2015 by archer1267

[racked]

Luanne looked fantastic on this episode. Way better outfit than the reunion.

The clips made me miss Jill. This show needs a yenta and Bethenny doesn't qualify.

[motorcitymom65]

I honestly have no idea what Beth would have to apologize for or be regretful about. Maybe Kelly is nuts, maybe she isn't. What she was on that trip was scary. Really scary. Before that trip, she was just a bitch to Beth. Remember that Alex said one time that security was posted at Beth's door at one point because Kelly was making references to the fact that Beth could easily suffer a miscarriage. When it was recognized that perhaps she was suffering a breakdown, everyone backed off. As crazy as Kelly was on that trip, I found her behavior months later at the reunion to be perhaps the most shocking behavior I've ever seen at a reunion. That is including having watched both Brandi and Teresa G. at reunions. She took absolutely zero ownership for anything. She didn't admit to why folks might have been concerned/scared/pissed about the way she was acting. She still contended that she was the one who had been mistreated. It was beyond strange to me, and I can certainly see why any sympathy that Beth might have had for her would be gone. Since that time Kelly has said many times in the press that Beth was "after her". I have rarely  heard Beth talk about Kelly. Kelly is the one who wants to continue down a path that makes it seem like she was all innocent and light, while at the same time painting Beth as a horrible monster. Why in the world would Beth show any empathy towards someone who continues to trash her, even years later? Someone who hasn't admitted to having any kind of a problem? I think it would all probably be different if she would admit to doing anything at all wrong, but she never has. Even Ramona is smart enough to know when you have to admit you were wrong. 

[Duke2801]

I honestly have no idea what Beth would have to apologize for or be regretful about. Maybe Kelly is nuts, maybe she isn't. What she was on that trip was scary. Really scary. Before that trip, she was just a bitch to Beth. Remember that Alex said one time that security was posted at Beth's door at one point because Kelly was making references to the fact that Beth could easily suffer a miscarriage. When it was recognized that perhaps she was suffering a breakdown, everyone backed off. As crazy as Kelly was on that trip, I found her behavior months later at the reunion to be perhaps the most shocking behavior I've ever seen at a reunion. That is including having watched both Brandi and Teresa G. at reunions. She took absolutely zero ownership for anything. She didn't admit to why folks might have been concerned/scared/pissed about the way she was acting. She still contended that she was the one who had been mistreated. It was beyond strange to me, and I can certainly see why any sympathy that Beth might have had for her would be gone. Since that time Kelly has said many times in the press that Beth was "after her". I have rarely  heard Beth talk about Kelly. Kelly is the one who wants to continue down a path that makes it seem like she was all innocent and light, while at the same time painting Beth as a horrible monster. Why in the world would Beth show any empathy towards someone who continues to trash her, even years later? Someone who hasn't admitted to having any kind of a problem? I think it would all probably be different if she would admit to doing anything at all wrong, but she never has. Even Ramona is smart enough to know when you have to admit you were wrong. 

 

Co-signed in permanent ink! 

 

Now that I have Hulu, I was able to go back and re-watch the Scary Island episodes, and all I can say is that I think you nailed it, mcm.  I certainly have issues with Bethenny, and she is NO angel whatsoever.  But when it came to that vacation, I put 100% of the blame on Kelly for what went down. 

[archer1267]

Oh yeah…interesting that Aviva came up with her "Anna Nicole Smith" comparison to Sonja before she even came on the show. I'd assumed that that was a comment she made in anger. Nice. And if the "entire room" of people in Le Cirque really did clap, why didn't we see it? People just looked stunned and confused. Some laughed. I didn't see this as the "you go, gurl!" moment Veevs wants to think it was.

 

I find it so odd that Kelly didn't watch a single episode of RHONY before signing up for it. As someone who's more on the introverted side, I've tried to give Kelly some benefit of the doubt at times, because I too can get "lost" in a group situation with strong personalities and where people are talking over each other. Given that she's not a naturally gregarious person, like Jill, I'd have thought she would want to be prepared for what to expect. I guess she thought it would be about fabulous parties, people air-kissing, spending 15 minutes at said party and then moving onto other social gathering. Or that it would be a group of women sitting around, talking about this season's "it" color and accessories. The mind boggles.

Edited September 21, 2015 by archer1267

[ScoobieDoobs]

But, this is exactly why I think Bethenny would have been worse off even implying that Kelly is crazy or unwell. Kelly is already all worked up about "coming back from crazy." If I were Bethenny, I would do my best to not engage with or about Kelly at all. Kelly's life and behavior is not Bethenny's fault. It's been forever since I've watched Scary Island or that season, but I remember Kelly as being absolutely awful to the other women, especially Bethenny. I wouldn't give her an inch.

 

And, no, Scoobs, I have not EVER seen anyone else here jogging in traffic. If I did, I might call the cops. 

 

I see your point.  While I thought Bethenny was cold in discussing Kelly, it may not have been that so much.  She was trying to be careful & deliberate.  You could see she was pausing a lot before answering questions about Kelly.  I don't think Bethenny is looking to pick fights with Kelly or squash her or bash her.  Why would she even bother now?  And Kelly, oh Kelly?  The woman is her own very worst enemy -- much more so than Bethenny could ever be.  I figured Kelly just lives her life (still trying oh-so-hard to look like a carefree loon) in complete denial of how the world actually sees her.  It was interesting to me how Kelly revealed on this thing she is aware of how people see her.  Hmmmm.

 

Kelly had the opportunity here to say something (even if it was very vague), that she has personal "issues" or just something/anything.  But no, she admitted to nothing happening to her on Scary Island (other than her "crying"), and she admitted to NOTHING being wrong with her.  I so distinctly remember Kelly's attitude when she was asked, after Scary Island, if there was anything wrong with her.  She always responded, "No" or "Of course not", and always in a puzzled, bewildered way that anyone would even ask her the question.  Um, did she look in denial much?  Oh yeah.  Well, she's still doing this same bullshit.  Except I did like seeing the acknowledgement from her, which we've NEVER seen her discuss, that she's very much aware most people think she's nuts now, particularly because of her behavior on Scary Island, and also because of her general behavior on the show.

 

So I guess the fact is, if Kelly still stubbornly & steadfastly & continuously admits to nothing being wrong with her, then what actually could Bethenny be held accountable for?  Mocking Kelly & taking some pot-shots at her?  Big woo.  Moaner & Lu have done that a zillion times to each other.  Er, maybe Kells, you should have watched the show before you started.  Her admission that she never watched the show made her seem like an even bigger idiot to me.

 

I took Bethenny's comments on Kelly  -- such as that "she's not meant for reality TV"  -- to mean she thought Kelly should have known the show wasn't for her & take responsibility for that.  I agree.  Still think it's pretty harsh & cold, but I do agree.

Edited September 21, 2015 by ScoobieDoobs

[Grneyedldy]

I see your point.  While I thought Bethenny was cold in discussing Kelly, it may not have been that so much.  She was trying to be careful & deliberate.  You could see she was pausing a lot before answering questions about Kelly.  I don't think Bethenny is looking to pick fights with Kelly or squash her or bash her.  Why would she even bother now?  And Kelly, oh Kelly?  The woman is her own very worst enemy -- much more so than Bethenny could ever be.  I figured Kelly just lives her life (still trying oh-so-hard to look like a carefree loon) in complete denial of how the world actually sees her.  It was interesting to me how Kelly revealed on this thing she is aware of how people see her.  Hmmmm.

 

Kelly had the opportunity here to say something (even if it was very vague), that she has personal "issues" or just something/anything.  But no, she admitted to nothing happening to her on Scary Island (other than her "crying"), and she admitted to NOTHING being wrong with her.  I so distinctly remember Kelly's attitude when she was asked, after Scary Island, if there was anything wrong with her.  She always responded, "No" or "Of course not", and always in a puzzled, bewildered way that anyone would even ask her the question.  Um, did she look in denial much?  Oh yeah.  Well, she's still doing this same bullshit.  Except I did like seeing the acknowledgement from her, which we've NEVER seen her discuss, that she's very much aware most people think she's nuts now, particularly because of her behavior on Scary Island, and also because of her general behavior on the show.

 

So I guess the fact is, if Kelly still stubbornly & steadfastly & continuously admits to nothing being wrong with her, then what actually could Bethenny be held accountable for?  Mocking Kelly & taking some pot-shots at her?  Big woo.  Moaner & Lu have done that a zillion times to each other.  Er, maybe Kells, you should have watched the show before you started.  Her admission that she never watched the show made her seem like an even bigger idiot to me.

 

I took Bethenny's comments on Kelly  -- such as that "she's not meant for reality TV"  -- to mean Kelly should have known the show wasn't for her & take responsibility for that.  I agree.  Still think it's pretty harsh & cold, but I do agree.

I saw it differently, the only thing I saw Kelly acknowledge is that people thought she was crazy because of the things BETHENNY said and did.

[jaync]

I was a little surprised to see Heather interviewed for this, since she wasn't shown at all in the previews.

 

Bethenny lost the home plate look on her face.

Heh, she did. She might look "better", but there was a weird stiffness going on there, like she was recovering from a mild stroke or something. (Not enough of an impediment to keep her motor mouth from running, though.)

 

OK, she's [Aviva] still a nasty, mean woman.

And has been one since jump street - shrew was already talking junk about the other ladies in her audition tape. She's so full of yuck.

 

During the Bethenny crying spell, they started palying some oh-so-sad guitar music and I couldn't stop laughing because it was so cheesy.

That was hilarious, and fit perfectly with Beth's hamminess. Kudos to whomever came up with that.

 

I got to see the infamous "Scary Island" episode when Bravo replayed it recently. Cray for sure, but I guess I was expecting more, given all the hype. (Is Kelly really any more nonsensical than Sonja and Dorinda when they're boozed up and lacking a nap?) Anyway, "Slutty Island" and "Sonja Island" were more entertaining, imo.

 

Can Bravo just B her own show again and get her off of RHoNY? I watch those shows to see ALL of the HWs. I may have favorites but still don't want them to take the whole show over.

Feel ya. I don't usually watch/not watch an ensemble show because of one cast member, ​but after having Beth and her emaciated jock shoved down my throat, along with my fave Heather gone, this show may have went from sugar to shit for me. 

[ScoobieDoobs]

I saw it differently, the only thing I saw Kelly acknowledge is that people thought she was crazy because of the things BETHENNY said and did.

 

That could be,  She seemed to be pointing a lot of anger toward Bethenny.  What surprised me is Kelly saying anyone thinking her to be crazy.  I don't remember her ever acknowledging that.

[Grneyedldy]

That could be,  She seemed to be pointing a lot of anger toward Bethenny.  What surprised me is Kelly saying anyone thinking her to be crazy.  I don't remember her ever acknowledging that.

Yes I do agree, I had never heard her acknowledge that she knew others thought she was crazy. I think she used the term "toxic" to describe how others treated her. I find it hard to believe that anyone who ever worked with her prior to RHNY didn't think she was "off" and she just didn't know it?

[archer1267]

While I thought Bethenny was cold in discussing Kelly, it may not have been that so much.  She was trying to be careful & deliberate.

 

 

 

Shrewd, too, because there are some - such as LuAnn - who believe that Kelly was bullied. And the 100th episode wasn't just a "highlights" track, it was also Bethenny's Big Homecoming, complete with (as noted above) a cheesy, sensitive guitar track. Bethenny wanted the attention on her, front and center. Sure, she had to deal with the inevitable Jill questions, which she made short work of ("pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered" - I wasn't a Jill fan, but damn…!). And Jill was just overbearing, she wasn't someone who may or may not have something amiss with her psychologically.

 

I can see why Bethenny didn't want to dwell on anything Kelly-related. This was a woman who thought widowhood should be re-branded. She's nothing if not constantly aware of brand and image.

Edited September 21, 2015 by archer1267

[racked]

While I do think Kelly is crazy, and no part of me believes she goes jogging in the middle of NYC streets on the regular, her explanation of the Al Sharpton remark made sense to me. She got the reference completely wrong, and it came off looking super looney, but she for some reason thought "You can't handle the truth" was an Al Sharpton saying. Slightly less insane than I thought before?

I thought B was taking the high road in talking about her. When it came to Jill though, Bethenny still had daggers out, which seems so unnecessary at this point.

[ScoobieDoobs]

I thought B was taking the high road in talking about her. When it came to Jill though, Bethenny still had daggers out, which seems so unnecessary at this point.

 

Yeah, Bethenny lost me on this too.  She sure as fuck didn't take the high road with Jillzy, did she?  I said earlier, this thing was Bethenny's Revenge Tour.  OK, Bethenny, beat the fuck outta Jillzy, Moaner, Lu, Kells -- who else, hun?  Alright, maybe it wasn't quite that bad, but still, isn't it interesting, Jillzy (of all people) has taken the high road, in staying away & mostly keeping quiet?

[ButterQueen]

just a few more thoughts before the mods tell us to 'move along'.

 

though i wish bethenny had elaborated more when asked about kelly and scary island, i can understand her reluctance.

 

i seemed to remember things differently than some of you.  i remember kelly as being horrible and dismissive of bethenny  both seasons without beth engaging kelly.  

 

kelly disparaged bethenny's career with no thought as to how it would affect b's lively hood.  kelly never acknowledged that she was wrong, even after her 'friends' told her was/is a chef.

 

bethenny has shown previously that she has compassion and empathy just not with kelly i can't say that i wouldn't be the same way.  

 

i think jill was orchestrating everything with kelly.  where did kelly come up with bethenny 'talking' about her children.  oh, and luann saying she thought kelly was bullied just blows my mind.  i know it shouldn't but it does.

Absolutely.....,all of this! Kelly still won't admit the Al Sharpton reference made no sense whatsoever. After the way Kelly needled at a pregnant Bethanny, who had just lost her Dad, she deserved everything she got. And might I add, Kelly is one ugly woman inside and out.

Oh Ramona, stop with the plastic surgery...,she looks horrible!!!

[AnnA]

This is just my opinion but if I was Bethenny I wouldn't take the high road with Jill either. As awful as Jill appeared on our TV, I'd bet she was a lot worse but we didn't get to see it.

[ButterQueen]

This is just my opinion but if I was Bethenny I wouldn't take the high road with Jill either. As awful as Jill appeared on our TV, I'd bet she was a lot worse but we didn't get to see it.

I agree. And I understand why Bethenny cried....this show made her a millionaire.

After watching this episode, I hope to never see Aviva or Kelly again. I'm really going to miss Heather.

Oh, and Ramona....please cut your bangs!!

[jaybird2]

this post is in response to archer 1267 (i don't know how to quote)

 

i truly believe jill was far more than 'overbearing".  i think her machinations were at work with kelly on scary island.  all kelly's ideas regarding bethenny going after kelly's children..  i think it came from jill  

 

and i loved jill until that season

[Aunt Kiki]

this post is in response to archer 1267 (i don't know how to quote)

 

i truly believe jill was far more than 'overbearing".  i think her machinations were at work with kelly on scary island.  all kelly's ideas regarding bethenny going after kelly's children..  i think it came from jill  

 

and i loved jill until that season

I totally agree.  Jill glommed onto Kelly once she instigated the fight with Bethenny and had Kelly's ear from that time onward.  Like Scoobie posted upthread, out of all the people to call when Kelly was in distress, why was it Jill Zarin?  Was it identified at some point that Jill was "helping" Kelly through being on the Island without her?  It also wouldn't shock me if Jill reassured Kelly that she was "bullied" on the Island and that she acted appropriately.  It also wouldn't shock me if she is still intimating to Kelly that Bethenny is out to get her.  If Jill and Bethenny reconciled, Jill would probably dump Kelly in a heartbeat.  For a long time, Jill acted like a jilted lover.

 

The 100th episode is the first time I've truly heard Bethenny snark on Jill Zarin.  She has gone out of her way to avoid speaking about her and most of the time has attempted to politely shut any talk down..

 

The funny thing is, I remember that Bethenny and Jason were talking after the Jill/Bethenny fight, and Bethenny was thinking about resolving things and Jason wasn't in favor of Bethenny fixing things.  I remember at the time that I thought it was the best solution because Jill was so needy I could see her getting in the middle of Bethenny and Jason's life.   I think Bethenny told Jill that at the reunion.. 

[Aunt Kiki]

I don't know who styled Ramona for the 100th episode special, but those fake lashes made her look like the puppet Lamb Chop.

Best observation ever.....priceless!  I'll never look at Ramona without wondering where Shari Lewis is.  Thank you!

[Mondrianyone]

 Jill was so needy I could see her getting in the middle of Bethenny and Jason's life.

 

In hindsight, though, that could only have been an improvement.

[sasha206]

I think the next time Vicki runs into Bethenny she needs to remind her both she and Jeana had businesses that supported their families in their cul-de-sac houses-houses that are worth millions of dollars.  This arrogance that somehow New York was superior is ridiculous because everyone had businesses is just more of Bethenny's arrogance.  Jill didn't have a business, Bethenny's was unsuccessful, Luann didn't have a business, Alex worked for Victoria Secrets, the only one with a business of her own was Ramona. 

 

YES, thank you!

 

Not to mention, she acted as though *she* was the one that sparked all of the businesses across franchises.  As you noted, Ramona started her own and was far more successful initially.

[sasha206]

It's such a shame Beth got so full of herself.  She was really fun to watch in seasons 1-3.  I'm so tired of her constant vulgarity even though I generally enjoy vulgarity.

Edited September 22, 2015 by sasha206

[archer1267]

i truly believe jill was far more than 'overbearing".  i think her machinations were at work with kelly on scary island.  all kelly's ideas regarding bethenny going after kelly's children..  i think it came from jill

 

Wow! I never thought of that possibility (and I'm serious, no snark here!), and I've seen the Scary Island episodes several times. When Kelly told the group that Jill asked how Bethenny was doing, and was concerned that she was doing okay during her pregnancy, I took that at face value. I also don't wouldn't think that Jill is that conniving - or smart - to deliberately wind up Kelly to go after Bethenny by filling her head with obvious lies and manipulating Kelly's already-low opinion of B. (And this is coming from someone who couldn't stand Jill in S3 and S4.)

 

Now when I think about it, though…remember that email from Jill that Kelly took as a subtle threat? The "a little bird told me you and Bethenny are now friends…I thought you cared"? Before Scary Island, Kelly and Bethenny seemed reasonably okay with each other. Not that they were pals, but that they'd put their weapons down and had a detente of sorts. Which is why Kelly's freakout in St. John's seemed especially random. I wonder if Kelly felt some sort of loyalty to Jill, or Jill made her "choose" in that very Jill, high-school kind of way ("you can't be friends with someone I'm not talking to…not if you're MY friend."). And then she acted out on Scary Island, once she was under the influence of who knows what.

 

She got the reference completely wrong, and it came off looking super looney, but she for some reason thought "You can't handle the truth" was an Al Sharpton saying.

 

I always thought that too. I mean, I got the reference, but I'd seen the movie and the trailer featured that line. But I think Kelly can be forgiven for not getting the reference made from a movie that came out in 1992. And I honestly did see where she might think that that was something Al Sharpton might have said!

[Watermelon]

While I do think Kelly is crazy, and no part of me believes she goes jogging in the middle of NYC streets on the regular, her explanation of the Al Sharpton remark made sense to me. She got the reference completely wrong, and it came off looking super looney, but she for some reason thought "You can't handle the truth" was an Al Sharpton saying. Slightly less insane than I thought before?

I thought B was taking the high road in talking about her. When it came to Jill though, Bethenny still had daggers out, which seems so unnecessary at this point.

The fact that years later either no one has told her that was Jack Nicholson, she doesn't believe it when she was told, or she never googled why everyone thought that was sto stupid, leads me to believe she's just as crazy as she looks.

[Grneyedldy]

The fact that years later either no one has told her that was Jack Nicholson, she doesn't believe it when she was told, or she never googled why everyone thought that was sto stupid, leads me to believe she's just as crazy as she looks.

Yes, most people would think nothing of admitting they were wrong on that point and even laugh at themselves, but not Kelly. Nope. All she did that was "odd" was cry. Uhm ok.

[ryebread]

If anybody re-watches Scary Island, pay close attention to after the dinner when Kelly runs off to her room. Bethenny is GIDDY to be finally proven right that Kelly is crazy. She says she's known it all along and now everyone knows she's right!! - high fives all around. This is where she lost me for good. It was apparent that Kelly was off her rocker and that Beth was over the moon about it. Cold. She didn't just realize it on Scary Island, she says she's known it all along and isn't she just the shit for poking that crazy and being the righteous victor! Gross.

[KFC]

Having seen Scary Island more than I care to admit, I don't think that assessment is quite fair. And I'll be the first to admit Bethenny can be cold and mean, but she wasn't giddy when Kelly ran off to her room.

 

Bethenny went off to another area with Alex and Ramona right after Kelly insulted Alex with the "kabuki" face comment, at which point Bethenny did the high-fives/"the lunatic came OUT!" comment. She was giddy there, but I don't really think you can begrudge her in the moment. She was still reeling from Kelly's onslaught of interruptions and delusions.

 

But when the three of them came back, and especially after Kelly ran off/returned with the candy, the entire group collectively realized Kelly was off-kilter and they all dialed it back and tried to calm her down. At that point, Bethenny apologized for making Kelly feel attacked/upset (which was more than gracious, given that Kelly was the rabid dog the entire trip), and they all stopped their laughing/joking about Kelly's lunacy.

[archer1267]

I once had to supervise someone who was causing a lot of problems on the team, but it took a very, very long time for others to see it - and to believe me. Unfortunately, I was never vindicated while I was with that employer - I wound up leaving once I realized that my managers didn't have my back. But when I learned that that employee was dismissed one year later, hell yeah I felt that Thank God people saw what I saw all along, and now believe me! feeling. I can understand where Bethenny was coming from in that moment. 

 

The women have all said that Scary Island was much worse than what was shown. I'm curious as to what we missed!

[Freckledbruh]

 

But when I learned that that employee was dismissed one year later, hell yeah I felt that Thank God people saw what I saw all along, and now believe me! feeling. I can understand where Bethenny was coming from in that moment.

I think all of the ladies present knew that Kelly was off though.  At least, we know that Sonja did because had been making comments on Kelly's odd behavior all the way from the yacht trip and complained that the other women left her to babysit Kelly because they didn't want to deal with her.  Basically, I look at it like a Judge Judy road rage case.  If you are in your car with your family and some crazy person starts tailgating you and honking, once you get to a stop light, DON'T get out of the car.  Is the road rage wrong for punching you int he face?  Most definitely and you will get your medical bills paid for but next time don't exit the vehicle because that is a guaranteed way to escalate the situation.  I don't fault B for her reactions in the moment but I do take exception that she can't see how she could handle the situation better and even relishing in attacking someone who is "fragile" (with fragile meaning crazy as hell).

[shoegal]

I guess I just don't see what Bethenny did wrong that she needs to regret or "handle better". I thought she handled it fine the first time. *shrugs*

[ryebread]

Bethenny went off to another area with Alex and Ramona right after Kelly insulted Alex with the "kabuki" face comment, at which point Bethenny did the high-fives/"the lunatic came OUT!" comment. She was giddy there, but I don't really think you can begrudge her in the moment. She was still reeling from Kelly's onslaught of interruptions and delusions.

 

I absolutely begrudge her that moment.  She was having a great time laughing over a mentally ill person's break  And giddy that she'd known all along and now everyone knew that she was right.  Which is all that seemed to matter to Bethenny.

 

I'll have to watch again. But personally, I would never be happy about anyone - friend or foe - having a breakdown.  Either watching it unfold over a period of time or instantaneously.  But then again, I wasn't raised by wolves.  And I don't doubt for a minute, that even years later, when Kelly's name is mentioned in Beth's company, she doesn't go off into one of her witty rants about what a kelamity she is.  Ho ho ho, hilarious.  Beth will still be using that a decade from now.  It's soooo 2010...

[jaybird2]

ryebread, i just don't see it this way at all.  maybe i'm callous, but i have a problem with kelly's treatment from the  beginning and her continued treatment.. 

[shoegal]

I absolutely begrudge her that moment. She was having a great time laughing over a mentally ill person's break And giddy that she'd known all along and now everyone knew that she was right. Which is all that seemed to matter to Bethenny.

I'll have to watch again. But personally, I would never be happy about anyone - friend or foe - having a breakdown. Either watching it unfold over a period of time or instantaneously. But then again, I wasn't raised by wolves. And I don't doubt for a minute, that even years later, when Kelly's name is mentioned in Beth's company, she doesn't go off into one of her witty rants about what a kelamity she is. Ho ho ho, hilarious. Beth will still be using that a decade from now. It's soooo 2010...

Is Kelly mentally ill? I think bat shit crazy isn't necessarily someone with a diagnosis. I think that Kelly is just a little dumb, a little mean and aggressive, maybe a bit of a drug issue but I don't believe she's mentally ill.

Remember, Kelly didn't have a breakdown. She had a breakthrough.

Edited September 24, 2015 by shoegal

[savannah1985]

Never mind

Edited September 24, 2015 by savannah1985

[ScoobieDoobs]

What I was puzzled by is what Kelly hoped to accomplish by appearing on this thing.  I mean, she pretty much made no impression.  Did she get sympathy from anyone?  Doubt it.  Did she explain her behavior on Scary Island?  No.  He asked her directly what exactly happened with her & if she had a breakdown.  And all she admitted to was crying.  No acknowledgement from her whatsoever that she was acting bizarrely on Scary Island & how she was viciously attacking Bethenny.  All we got from her was whining about people thinking she was crazy after Scary Island.  No shit, hun.  So the fuck what?  

 

If anything, she shoulda offered an apology to Bethenny.  See, this is why I've always thought Kelly was such a dunce.  Clearly, she still desperately wants to be in the public eye.  She mugs for pics every day in the Daily Mail -- happily giving 'em her usual carefree-loon persona.  So if she only smooched up to Bethenny, maybe they would bring her back -- even if in a limited way.  Oy, what a dumb-dumb.

Edited September 24, 2015 by ScoobieDoobs

[savannah1985]

I don't care one way or the other about Kelly but loathe Bethenny, which obviously colors my viewpoint. I thought Bethenny's glee on Scary Island was akin to the obnoxiousness of dancing in the end zone. Kelly gave her exactly what she wanted which is why she won't admit she could have handled it better. Kelly may be nuts but Bethenny knew exactly what she was doing. I know because I've done it myself.