"The View": Week of 09/08/15

[buffynut]

I think Raven needs to soften up her look a bit more. She still looks too much like Cyndi Lauper for me to take her seriously.  Though at least the mohawk is gone.

[maryis1]

I took an online poll that looked legit about "which Presidential wannabe do you agree most with?". It was when I was comparing my results to my friends' that I realized a huge amount of them were getting the result that Marco Rubio was the candidate they had the most in common with me.  Me: "Huh, I didn't know I had so many friends who are into Rubio."

 

Then when I took it, my results were, "You don't agree with any of the candidates."  Since I'd just taken a Pew Research poll the day before where I came up agreeing 86% with both Bernie and Hillary, I knew that wasn't right. Didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the second poll was sponsored by Rubio's people to make anyone who had the slightest thing in common with him to have him be the respondent's "candidate of choice."  Pretty clever marketing, to be honest, to have people think he's in total lockstep with their beliefs.  

 

I learned that day to never believe a Presidential poll unless it's from a proven unbiased source, like Pew, and never believe a poll result that comes directly from any of the candidates.

 

The ones coming from candidates or a group that is backing one candidate and trying to negate another are often called push polls. An example of that was when residents in South (North?) Carolina were asked for an answer to a question that implied that McCain had fathered an illegitimate child of another race. I think, but don't quote me, that push poll is what lowered his numbers and had people questioning his veracity. Push polls can often be very effective with the undecided voters.

[Jeanius]

I thought today's show was 10 times better without Whoopi. Sadly, that means it's still a shitfest.

 

Joy was gleeful in the moderator's chair. She is far and away better than Whoppi, and the best on the panel. Doesn't really mean much!!! Sadly, she still trots out the "I'm so old!!" jokes, but maybe that will taper off. She seems to have rose-colored glasses on as far as Hillary is concerned. She wants badly to trust and believe her. Overall, she needs to step it up a bit and hang with the younger ones, and forget her age, and forget she is a comedian. Focus on the politics, and other news of the day. Focus on women's issues (it will help the menfolk, too. A happy woman is a joy to be around.) If she is NATURALLY funny, it works better.

 

Michelle was somewhat more tolerable today (they ALL seemed SO much freer and happier w/o You Know Who around) but she is useless (or worse - annoying) overall.

 

Paula?? OK. Whatevs. She seems dismayed. She should be.

 

SHERRI is the Rising Phoenix. A tad more tolerable, but WHY????? She gets the Get Out of Jail Free card when it comes to her BABY. She could STILL do a 180 and decide to show some HEART towards her little darling. She's PAYING enough for the Precious Lil Bundle. LOVED Joy's snark-aside: "She sure knows how to pick 'em, huh folks??" So Sherri is up to her old tricks. Now the Horn Dog is "dating" a 28 year old flight attendant????? And she's already spilling the deets on air and all over town?? She just wants us to know how HOT and FOXY she still is to attract not only ANY GUY (who is not after whatever coin is left over from Greasy Sal's money grab) but a YOUNG guy to boot. She is SHAMELESS and CLUELESS. Or just shameless. No mention of Jeffrey???? Good.

 

Fridays might be worth tuning in for. MIGHT be.

 

(Ha! Forgot about Raven. She is a Whack-a-Doodle. Just there so we can watch her flip her hair around and utter foolishness)

[RogerFromOhio]

It is tough to praise Sherri when she tried so hard to throw away another baby that she created... Good thing the courts FORCED her to pay for her child

 

I wonder if those people who think Sal is a "money grabber" also agree that women who get alimony are the same as prostitutes like Raven said.... .but how would she know since she is just a young 30 year old

 

SMH

[Bronzedog]

Raven is certainly an interesting example of, hmm, why she's a down right hmmm, the reason she should be on a talk show is because she contributes hmmm, well, she was a child star and knows a lot about,hmm, I got nothing. I did like Joy telling Sherri to shut up about the 28 year old because of what happened the last time.

[Jeanius]

I would say the women who are married a relatively short time, and who expect a Big Payout come divorce time are also what I called Sal - a Money Grabber. Or the old Gold Digger. A lot of it is intent, which can be hard to determine at the end of a bad marriage. I don't think most women or men "deserve" alimony after a short marriage (less than five years??). Child support is a different issue. Some of it is up to a judge's discretion. A lot of settlements are not fair. From what I understand, in general, women come out of a divorce worse off, financially, and men end up better off. That is a BIG generality. YMMV!!!!!!!!! It probably did!!!!

 

I think of a prostitute as someone who explicitly sells sex for money. There is a gray area of folks who coyly or otherwise barter sex acts for different gifts. "Honey, if you want a BJ, I sure would like a new handbag." Getting married and being married a long time seems a tad different than an explicit exchange of sex for money. I guess we don't really want to probe too closely into our secret and not so secret motivations. I would hope most marriages have a healthy dollop of love, like, respect, etc., thrown in with the "What can you do for ME??" factor.

 

I also meant to mention Melissa Rivers. What is it about her? She doesn't seem comfortable in her own skin, as they say, and she seemed a bit nervous. Other than that, all I got out of it was, "Fashion Police," "What would Joan say," and "Joan was a mean bastard, but it all came from a warm and fuzzy place, and it doesn't matter anyway, because she was funny." Except when she was merely a mean bastard.

[Former Nun]

I also meant to mention Melissa Rivers. What is it about her? She doesn't seem comfortable in her own skin, as they say, and she seemed a bit nervous. Other than that, all I got out of it was, "Fashion Police," "What would Joan say," and "Joan was a mean bastard, but it all came from a warm and fuzzy place, and it doesn't matter anyway, because she was funny." Except when she was merely a mean bastard.

 

 

Did Melissa ever have a job her mother didn't give her?  I think there's a place for a show like "Fashion Police" without all the snark and so-called comedy.  I tried to watch it when Joan was alive, but it was so important for the show to be All About Her--and much more time was taken up with crappy/stupid/unfunny jokes and comments than with the fashions. Additionally, the other panelists were somehow required to act either shocked or appreciative over every word she uttered.

 

Since Heidi Klum is on Lifetime, maybe she can produce a show on that network where competent designers/fashionistas critique Red Carpet fashions fairly. Make it about the fashions...good and bad.

[TheGreenKnight]

Considering the other co-hosts of FP included Kelly Osbourne and Giuliana Rancic, I'm glad Joan Rivers got all the focus. She's the only reason I ever turned to that show, tbh, and I haven't watched since she died. But Melissa's right that Joan would never want her to end something she might still be able to get money out of. The network'll probably cancel it eventually.

 

I get what she means about the place the comedy comes from, too. It's a subtle difference, but, for comparison's sake, whenever Sherri makes one of her jokes about women/gay people, etc. it only pisses me off because I know she means it. But, still, I'm glad we have someone like Paula who is willing to argue against the idea that comics can say anything they want with no repercussions. Even though the Trump obsession annoys me, so far I like Paula more than any other Republicans this show's had and she's the only one on the panel I wouldn't mind staying along with Joy once the season ends. At least she doesn't scream/dominate, her voice doesn't bug, and she isn't a kissass. I'm so not ready for her and Candace combined though.

[Morgalisa]

Is Whoopi short on money, trying to resuscitate her career or what?  It's embarrassing how she comes out onstage to harass the guests to give her a job.

[Milk-Eyed Mender]

It is tough to praise Sherri when she tried so hard to throw away another baby that she created... Good thing the courts FORCED her to pay for her child

I wonder if those people who think Sal is a "money grabber" also agree that women who get alimony are the same as prostitutes like Raven said.... .but how would she know since she is just a young 30 year old

SMH

I am a card-carrying member of the "Sal is a Money-grabber" club simply because I cannot imagine a reasonably well- educated person marrying a famous and wealthy but clownish and emotionally stunted intellectual vacuum like Sherri for any other reason. That Sal is male means nothing to me. I feel the same way about Hilaria Baldwin, Katie Holmes and Melania Trump bedding down and making babies with violent creeps like Alec Baldwin, poster boys for dangerous cults like Tom Cruise or amoral pigs like the Donald. Have some standards, people, for your child's sake if not your own. Sheesh.

Edited September 12, 2015 by Milk-Eyed Mender

[SunFun]

Ditto on the Katie Holmes (etc) comment. Also her use of Cruise to further her "career" status particularly always irked me.

 

Missed  Whoopiless Friday. Opportunity missed NOT to see her legs straddling the table leg, while talking w/ something in her mouth.  Which, btw, is inexcusably crass. It's like giving a big middle finger to the viewers.

[Cosmocrush]

Is Whoopi short on money, trying to resuscitate her career or what?  It's embarrassing how she comes out onstage to harass the guests to give her a job.

I know, right?   I think she's just greedy  Plus I'm pretty sure she supports her entire family.  She's always been like that though, which is why calling herself a Movie Stah always cracks me up; she will sell anything, guest star on anything, to make a buck.  She hit the jackpot when she landed on this show - both for the paycheck and the exposure.

Edited September 12, 2015 by Cosmocrush

[JAYJAY1979]

Raven can just STFU. So basically, all women are prostitutes going back to the "day of Jane Austen" when women were sold in marriage. Such a simplistic, yet uninformed opinion. Arranged marriages were done for purely political alliances and the pedigree of the family/bloodlines. And yes, women who get alimony are also prostitutes. I swear, I wanted to snatch Raven bald. I don't think it would have been that difficult, considering she just could.not.stop.running.her.fingers.through.that.wig.

And I didn't care that we got all those bleeps, considering it was Michelle who started it, and since I don't find her funny or amusing, I count myself lucky I was spared her "humor."

But it was so refreshing! No cross-talk. Or barely.

Oh SHUT UP, Paula! They were having a good conversation about Hillary until she cut in and said "Let's talk about Donald Trump" because he's SO VERY IMPORTANT. And thank Goodness for Mark Lamont Hill! He SAID It: Trump The Blowhard knows NOTHING!!!! All he does is say his plan will work, he knows how to get the job done, but he, in fact, knows Nothing! Okay, I'm now hearing that Col. from Hogan's Heroes with his I know notheeeeeeeeeng!"

Ahem.

But Hill was right. All this is about how Hillary isn't authentic, or funny, etc. is because she's a woman, and he provided examples. Gore. Loved how he and Joy told Navarro how Gore did win, and Joy saying she's still not over it.

And Paula just proved today why Trump is everywhere in the media. Because people like her keep bringing him up! If everyone would just ignore him, he would go away. But no. We, meaning me, really, must suffer while they provide the means for him to spout his racism, sexism, and uninformed "facts."

At least I was spared Paula saying "resonate."

That's something, I guess.

ETA: Please tell me those glasses Sherri was wearing was a joke. They're not really her glasses, are they?

Sherri will eventually put foot in mouth.

Trump is a bully..ignore him and he'll go away. Nicole wallace is missed.

http://www.chicagonow.com/confessions-coffeeholic/2015/08/donald-trump-freddy-krueger-one-trait-in-common/

[merriebreeze]

As long as she doesn't push the mom/born-again-Christian bit too far, I'm okay with Paula. She's got some skills this show was needing and she doesn't worship Whoopi like Nicolle did. (Since Whoopi's star is fading finally and she's no longer Queen Bee, wonder if Nicolle regrets that move?) Paula fills the CCB slot just fine. And with Joy on board, do they really need Michelle? RO says the rumor about her guest hosting is false. Oh, darn.

[Morbs]

I think Whoopi can be a good friend, and Nicolle's fondness of her was genuine. Whoopi throws great dinner parties, from what I've heard from Wendy Williams, haha, but the problem with Whoopi is if she doesn't like you: watch out. She'll be just as unreasonable and nasty and she can be with her opinions.

Since Heidi Klum is on Lifetime, maybe she can produce a show on that network where competent designers/fashionistas critique Red Carpet fashions fairly. Make it about the fashions...good and bad.{/quote]

I think Fashion Queens on Bravo is really great. Funny, reasonable opinions, not too nasty. Careful about age and weight when talking about someone. Hosts know way more than me, but not sure about credentials. I think Melissa sucks too.

Joy was having so much fun Friday. Huge improvement on Whoopi.

[CathinAZ]

In the two and a 1/2 shows I saw last week, there were 2 mentions of Whoopi's book that comes out in October. (I'm sure we'll be hearing much more about it!) I was kind of hoping she would not return to the show this season but she would be stupid to give up an opportunity to keep her name and face on TV because that translates into money for her.

Saw a bit of Friday's show and loved Joy moderating but really wish Sherrie was not there. I thought they might have her doing remote skits and prerecorded stuff, but no, there she was right at the table. Along with all her stress related weight gain from the past year . . . Wonder when she will start professing she wants "to get healthy for her son" and come out with a new weight loss book.

[ChicagoCita]

I don't often find much to admire about Sherri, but I did appreciate her referring to herself as a former fat person who lost weight and is now a fat person again.  I'm not used to her being as frank about her shortcomings.  She didn't try to make it a joke and it wasn't awkward, where no one mentioned it. Not used to things being handled like that by her.

[backformore]

A couple of things now that I"m getting around to watch one of last week's shows -

With the Muslim flight attendant - Michelle reads the statement from the airline - the statement is also shown on the screen.   The statement clearly says that they are declining to comment on the woman's PERSONNEL matter.    pretty standard, if you get fired or suspended, and you're fighting it, your employer is not going to comment publicly, they will wait for the court case. 

But Michelle reads it as the flight's attendant's PERSONAL matter. she mis-read the card.   Then the woman says "it's not a personal matter, it an employment matter"  and the discussion goes there - that it's PERSONAL.

If only Michelle could READ the statement as it was written, it's clear that the airline was saying - we don't comment on ongoing PERSONNEL matters.  Yeah, most businesses don't.  People get fired all the time.   And they have the luxury of being able to talk publicly about their employers, while the employer is not allowed to comment on WHY someone is fired. 

 

The other comment was how Whoopi had to get all defensive about not breast-feeding.  Who cares, whoopi?   Hey, you CAN breastfeed babies who have teeth, women have been doing that forever.  And there is a bigger worldwide issue about women NOT being encouraged to breastfeed, the fact that someone tried to push you to try so many decades ago, is irrelevant,  Sorry, Whoopi is my age, but she is a great-grandmother.  Someone tried to push her to breastfeed and she didn't want to.  Fine -  why does that mean it can't be discussed on the show without her shouting it down?  She says the same thing every time the issue is raised, so breastfeeding is never allowed to be discussed intelligently on the show as long as Whoopi is there.  

And don't even bring up Raven's asinine comments about the reason to breastfeed it to flatten your stomach.  NO - it's to feed your baby. 

Edited September 14, 2015 by backformore

[Foghorn Leghorn]

If the women of The View can't get their facts right when presenting a guest or a top headline then stick to daily dribble and leave the real news to news shows!  They can stay out of politics...Michelle by saying personal instead of personnel had them off and running with no correction from the producer??!   Unbelievable!

[susieq147]

If the women of The View can't get their facts right when presenting a guest or a top headline then stick to daily dribble and leave the real news to news shows!  They can stay out of politics...Michelle by saying personal instead of personnel had them off and running with no correction from the producer??!   Unbelievable!

 

 

 

You are assuming a producer was even paying attention.  Whoever was in charge of that segment was probably updating their resume since there has been so many comings and goings of late.

 

But that mistake of saying the wrong word brings up a bigger question, what happens if one of them reads the wrong name?  People get sued for shit like that.

[Former Nun]

And don't even bring up Raven's asinine comments about the reason to breastfeed it to flatten your stomach.

 

 

I didn't think that Raven's comment meant one breastfeeds not to feed the baby. The "flatten" comment is an additional benefit.  I'm not sure if it's medically proven, but that's what my generation (I'm 75) was taught by our mothers...what many of us believed, and I'm sure passed on to our daughters.  It's not some off-the-wall idea Raven developed.  I don't know if the following comment is accurate...but it's available.

 

"Breastfeeding contracts your uterus and gives you a flat stomach, protects you from obesity by burning 500 calories a day to lose your baby fat, shortens the duration of postpartum bleeding, suppresses ovulation and menstruation, provides surges of hormones that will calm you and help ward of postpartum depression, just to name a few cool benefits."- See more at: http://www.bestforbabes.org

Edited September 14, 2015 by Former Nun

[Former Nun]

Ditto on the Katie Holmes (etc) comment. Also her use of Cruise to further her "career" status particularly always irked me.

 

 

There are many on the train going the other way...that Tom Cruise selected Katie to continue his "sex symbol" facade.  I'm not a Katie Holmes fan in the slightest, but people tell me that her big fan base from her days on "Dawson's Creek" continues to follow her as they grow up together.    Not that her fans are anywhere near the Tom Cruise stratosphere.

[MatchaLove]

I didn't think that Raven's comment meant one breastfeeds not to feed the baby. The "flatten" comment is an additional benefit.  I'm not sure if it's medically proven, but that's what my generation (I'm 75) was taught by our mothers...what many of us believed, and I'm sure passed on to our daughters.  It's not some off-the-wall idea Raven developed.  I don't know if the following comment is accurate...but it's available.

 

"Breastfeeding contracts your uterus and gives you a flat stomach, protects you from obesity by burning 500 calories a day to lose your baby fat, shortens the duration of postpartum bleeding, suppresses ovulation and menstruation, provides surges of hormones that will calm you and help ward of postpartum depression, just to name a few cool benefits."- See more at: http://www.bestforbabes.org

This.   Yes, exactly accurate.  Raven has never had a baby, so, bless her heart, doesn't understand the biological functions that are connected.   Wonder if she realizes that breast milk does not magically appear because you want your abdomen to reduce.  

[Former Nun]

Moved to 9/14

Edited September 14, 2015 by Former Nun

[Cosmocrush]

A couple of things now that I"m getting around to watch one of last week's shows -

With the Muslim flight attendant - Michelle reads the statement from the airline - the statement is also shown on the screen.   The statement clearly says that they are declining to comment on the woman's PERSONNEL matter.    pretty standard, if you get fired or suspended, and you're fighting it, your employer is not going to comment publicly, they will wait for the court case. 

But Michelle reads it as the flight's attendant's PERSONAL matter. she mis-read the card.   Then the woman says "it's not a personal matter, it an employment matter"  and the discussion goes there - that it's PERSONAL.

If only Michelle could READ the statement as it was written, it's clear that the airline was saying - we don't comment on ongoing PERSONNEL matters.  Yeah, most businesses don't.  People get fired all the time.   And they have the luxury of being able to talk publicly about their employers, while the employer is not allowed to comment on WHY someone is fired.

Hahahaha!   I didn't see this show, but I can just picture this happening.   Sounds like the first week of the second reboot is right on schedule, LOL.