S01.E09: Episode Nine

[formerlyfreedom]

Four abandons the ship to embark on a reckless mission to reclaim his past and the crew are left wondering whether they should rescue him or let fate run its deadly course.

 

 

[Chaos Theory]

Android doesn't need to worry. I like weird. Plus the Android is my favorite character anyway.

I really enjoyed Four's story this episode. Learning a bit bit more about his family and what happened the night his father got murdered. I actually like that he ended up murdering his mentor after saving his life a couple of times.....as a message to his brother.

Five really should have gotten while the getting was good. However I do like the friendship between Five and Six.

I am still not sure what to make of One and him believing Three killed his wife. One is actually my least favorite character but I kinda like him more now that he has an edge of darkness to him. Plus I like the animosity between him and three.

<<----edited because numbering characters is confusing and I confused One and Two again.....because they look so much alike.

Edited August 8, 2015 by Chaos Theory

[Shanna Marie]

They finally explained why they hadn't run the DNA test before now, and it actually makes sense: One used the data from the cloning gizmo to run the search. I kind of like the fact that they realized it did take some kind of data, unlike most sci-fi DNA stuff where just a drop of blood or cheek swab entered into the computer, and presto, instant identity and related info. I guess this means the ship doesn't have the technology for sequencing.

 

One thing that was getting me here: Four doesn't actually have any memories. He just has the information he's researched and what Five told him about what she saw. But he was acting like he had emotional memories about his former mentor. I guess the flashbacks could be seen as the mentor's point of view, but the whole episode was played like he was remembering this guy and this wasn't a total stranger. The stabbing at the end is maybe less shocking if you think of him as stabbing a stranger, but they were treating it like it was meant to be shocking that he stabbed his former mentor.

[ottoDbusdriver]

I am still bot sure what to make of Two and him believing Three killed his wife.  Two is actually my least favorite character but I kinda like him more now that he has an edge of darkness to him.  Plus I like the animosity between him and three.

 

I think you mean its One who thinks that Three killed his wife.

 

One thing that was getting me here: Four doesn't actually have any memories. He just has the information he's researched and what Five told him about what she saw. But he was acting like he had emotional memories about his former mentor. I guess the flashbacks could be seen as the mentor's point of view, but the whole episode was played like he was remembering this guy and this wasn't a total stranger. The stabbing at the end is maybe less shocking if you think of him as stabbing a stranger, but they were treating it like it was meant to be shocking that he stabbed his former mentor.

 

Yeah that was odd -- Four only knows what Five told him from her memory recall trip a few episodes back, Four doesn't have any of these memories of his own of his time at the Imperial Court.  And he was filling in way too many details that he shouldn't know.

[sjohnson]

Four would naturally want to be somebody, and being Emperor Ryo is just too much power to pass up. The notion that absolute hereditary monarchy is somehow going to survive because people want it, is preposterous. What it takes to prop up something so vilely pernicious and backwards is a police state like Saudi Arabia or North Korea (which models a lot of its system on the old Korean emperors, including the songbun system.) Nonetheless, SF, especially space opera, has apparently grandfathered this nonsense into acceptability. Sadly the show probably takes Ryo's self-serving monarchism seriously, but I think it totally qualitfies him as a murderous would-be tyrant.

 

Moss' rant about being born bad requires a belief in the soul, which is another kind of nonsense. It is very interesting that he was immediately reminded that he said something entirely different when he thought he was a villain. (His assumptions he wasn't and the suspect in his wife's murder is guilty are quite premature.) It's not as surprising that soon given the opportunity he did exactly the opposite of what his tirade implied. But still significant I think. 

[thuganomics85]

I actually didn't see Four stabbing his mentor coming.  But now that I think about it, it makes sense that even though we're seeing those flashbacks, he really was just a stranger to Four still, so he really wouldn't hesitate to take his life, in order to send a message. And if he ever does meet his step-brother, he probably would do the same (and the stepmom is so, so screwed, if he ever gets his hands on her.)  Four really is becoming a wildcard on this show, I think.

 

Christ, Two.  I want to agree with you and I do in theory, but you continuing to keep your own secrets, is kind of making everything you say come off hypocritical and like your full of it.  Be the leader you act like you are and practice what you preach, Two.  I wonder what else she is hiding?  Actually, the fact that we're at episode nine and I still feel like we know less about her compared to the rest, makes me think she is a good contender at being the one responsible for all of this.

 

One is pissed at Three obviously, but still can't pull the trigger when he has the chance.  I still think Three is going to end up being innocent of the crime.  Either way, I still find One to be annoying and enjoy ways to mock him.  Like I enjoyed how he was letting off steam with those little dumbbells, and then a few scenes later, we see Six doing something similar, only with much heavier weights. I know who I'd back in an arm-wrestling contest!

 

I guess I was suppose to feel bad for Five for what Six said to her, but all I could think was that Five was an idiot for jump-scaring Six like that when he was bench-pressing, so if anything, he was nice to not chew her ass out for almost causing him to crush his own chest.

 

Andriod continues to be question why she is different then most robots, but Three thinks her being weird is alright, so why not go with it?!

[ramble]

One is sucking the life out of this show. At first I was able to ignore him but lately just seeing him in a scene annoys me & makes me want to skip it. Can't he get some disease that requires stasis for the foreseeable future?

Three is growing on me more because he at least seems to have a sense of humor at times. This show needs a bit of that. This episode felt bland to me. I kept losing interest & doing other things. I had the feeling like I wanted to enjoy the show more than I really could.

Edited August 8, 2015 by ramble

[Human]

Is it too crackpot to say Android did the memory wiping?  There's just so much focus on her and her human attributes and on her wanting to be appreciated and how this represents a potential flaw.  Then she asks this episode about doing a wipe.  We started off the series with her wiped.  I don't know, I guess it just seems like it's possible that the Android could have done this strangely human thing because maybe the crew was fighting and she didn't want anyone to get hurt and just wanted everyone to be one big happy family.  Or something.  

[DEM]

I don't know that it would be as emotional as all that, but yes, I did think Two and Three should have included Android in their reckoning.

 

I thought this was the most engaging episode in a long time.  I liked seeing Four do his thing and run his own story (without a stand-in!). The murder of the mentor shocked me.  One is slightly more interesting now that he's not trying to do-gooder all over everyone.  He's still as moralistic as ever, but now we're seeing the flip side of that trait.  Six was right the first time, but I won't hold it against him that he apologised to Five. Heh. 

 

One has moved up to #1 suspect for the memory wipe. My #2 suspect is Five because she is EXTREMELY dead set on "can't we all just get along?! won't someone love meee?!" Nails on my mental chalkboard. Her (non-)reaction to causing Six to almost injure himself was weird.

 

I am not happy with Two continuing not to reveal her healing ability.  She's behaving as if she knows The Very Bad significance of that ability. I don't get it.

Edited August 8, 2015 by DEM

[wayne67]

Moss' rant about being born bad requires a belief in the soul, which is another kind of nonsense. It is very interesting that he was immediately reminded that he said something entirely different when he thought he was a villain. (His assumptions he wasn't and the suspect in his wife's murder is guilty are quite premature.) It's not as surprising that soon given the opportunity he did exactly the opposite of what his tirade implied. But still significant I think. 

 

I don't think it requires belief in the soul. I think it's more to do with genetics and heredity than a soul. Some people are born with certain traits that are inherent not learned. Some people are naturally good at art, science, maths etch while other people have to work harder just to catch up with those people with natural advantages. Some people are born with mental illnesses and it's a result of neurochemistry, some people have poor socialisation skills due to medical conditions such and other people don't have empathy for other humans. The whole nature argument.

 

Some people are the way are because they were just born that way and others are driven to it. Nature or Nurture. Some get a crappy childhood and genetic predisposition to violence and it combines to a terribly cliche outcome. Nature and Nurture.

 

I don't see how that has anything to do with a soul.

 

Back on topic though. I really am finding Two tedious. When One was complaining about her and her lecture about trust and honesty and if she had anything else to add she declined to comment. She is a hypocrite and despite all her talk about endangering the crew, it comes across as more as her feeling entitled to know everyone's business. Her rapid healing may expose them to all sorts of strange dangers. For instance people wanting to use her to cure that zombie virus thing.

Edited August 9, 2015 by wayne67

[AudienceofOne]

Three. Crying over Charlotte's Web. Made all this worth it.

One is officially a DICK.

Can anyone explain to me why 4 and 6 are suddenly acting as though they remember their pasts?

[MissLucas]

Daylight!!!!!!! Thank the trees! (Oops, wrong show - but I don't know what deity to thank in this universe, so there.)

 

Good episode - everyone had interesting scenes despite the plot being focused on Four who's still much harder to read than Charlotte's Web. I agree that the flashbacks were odd, they established an emotional connection (it was easy to forget that they were probably from the mentor's POV) that was not there and that made the killing of the mentor shocking. Everything about the interactions between Four and his mentor was off - he does not ask the guy 'Who are you?' when they first meet. And later when the mentor is tending Four's injury he does address him with 'Akiro-San' (?). In addition to that Four follows the ethics and philosophy of his culture. Those things have nothing to do with character or muscle memory. Maybe interacting with his half-brother brought back some -actual- memories in addition to the second-hand stuff he got from Five?

 

One was his usual annoying self - at least Two called him out on his hypocrisy. I took his rant about being born evil more in the context of a nature/nurture debate and not as a theological argument (which would made him a hardcore Calvinist btw.). As for dark and edgy because of his sudden urge to kill Three: not working for me, it's out of character and the actor is not selling it.

 

I liked the discussion between Two and Three where they tried to figure out who is responsible for the memory-wipe by process of elimination. However I do agree : they should have taken the Android into account.

 

And for once we got a nice cliff-hanger - promo looks great too.

[patchwork]

Maybe the Android and Five are in it together. Someone had to let Five out of the airlock and I could see those two deciding that a reset is better than killing the criminals they're sharing living space with. 

 

Five having all their memories is like a back-up system/restore point and the Android -who was further along in developing personhood then and seriously worried- chose to reboot herself unaware that the problem would carry over. 

 

I find the lack of Two backstory really odd. 

 

Four deciding the crew are his real family and he would remember them when he reclaimed his throne reminded me of Farscape. I'm not sure when it happened but he's somehow become my favourite character. Not that that's saying much with this show but still favourite.

 

Having witnessed one of his memories I can handwave Six's thing with the General but Four just randomly seemed to remember because the writers wanted killing his teacher to have an impact.   

[Ely]

I feel like this episode, just like many before, took a long time to really get going. The pacing was off.

I really enjoy seeeing the characters developing a relationship among each other and I whish they would focus on that more.

 

1 was so irrationally angry at 3. I painfully have to agree with 2 here - it makes no sense for him to be so vengeful when he doesn't even have any feelings let alone memories connected to his past. And I'm not even starting that he has no hard proof of 3 being his wife's killer. I thought he was above any dark feelings and now all of the sudden it's the only thing that drives him. His passive-aggressive schtick got old real quick. I'm also not sure why he thinks he's the smartest on board. He surely is the most pretentious.

It does not help that the actor only has one or two different facial expressions. But that makes him a good match with ever-angry 2. I don't know why she can't have a normal conversation with people. It's either sexy!mode or bossy/angry!mode. She tones it down for 5 but only because she's not into girls and it's hard to be mad at kittens.

And for f***'s sake, 2, get rid of that bandage. Your fake injury should be healed by now.

 

Love the development of 3 and 4. They are both my favorites. 6 is awesome as well but I'm slowly tiring of the 6/5-dynamics. Mix it up, people.

Edited August 8, 2015 by Ely

[Mars477]

God, Four's subplot was so awful with its Space Japan.  These people can fly around on interstellar spaceships, but on the ground they're wielding katanas and wearing premodern lamellar and plate iron armor straight out of somebody's cosplay session?  It would've looked less awful and cringey if the universe's Space Japan modeled its uniforms off of Imperial Japanese Army tan with hard futuristic curiasses and kept the katana as an officer's weapon/backup weapon.  I guess the show doesn't have the funding for that?

 

One is insufferable, and I don't know why Two is hiding her healing factor.

[xfuse]

 

Four just randomly seemed to remember because the writers wanted killing his teacher to have an impact.

The last memory wasn't his but his teachers because he wasn't even in the room when it started. As for the others Five could have given him details so his mind could think of it as a memory when it's not really a memory.

[Ely]

One more thing: Is 3 trying to figure out the green chips a hint that he is the one who grew up on a farm?

[Latverian Diplomat]

1 was so irrationally angry at 3. I painfully have to agree with 2 here - it makes no sense for him to be so vengeful when he doesn't even have any feelings let alone memories connected to his past. And I'm not even starting that he has no hard proof of 3 being his wife's killer.

One approach the writers might have taken with this selective memory thing: If you know exactly one thing about yourself, would you obsess on that fact, and shape all of your life around it? Having a memory wipe and then learning that one thing might be a recipe for monomania. 

 

I mean, sure, One, Four, and Six have each learned about exactly one major tragic betrayal from each of their pasts, and they want revenge, but it would be interesting if Four, say learned that he later moved on and gave up on the throne because he developed a different perspective on the whole "royalty" thing.

 

And it would be amusing if someone had vague memories of wanting revenge against someone, only to discover that it was "that guy who didn't hold the elevator for me that one time".

[sjohnson]

Perhaps I've been misunderstanding. I thought that Ryo does remember what he's been prompted to remember. 

 

Having a strong science background, I've come to believe very strongly the whole notion of nature vs. nurture is a false perspective, that incorporates notions of the soul in disguised ways. Essentially, DNA becomes the equivalent of Descartes' pineal gland, the way the immaterial soul interacts with the physical world. In nature, all human babies die without nurture. It only makes sense to think of individual development. You might see this as interacting with acculturation but that is not a individual, consciously directed process like nurture. 

[Ely]

One approach the writers might have taken with this selective memory thing: If you know exactly one thing about yourself, would you obsess on that fact, and shape all of your life around it? Having a memory wipe and then learning that one thing might be a recipe for monomania.

But he knows a lot more than just that one thing. He knows a good chunk of his background. He also prides himself in being morally superior so it just doesn't add up. Except, of course, we go with the theory of monomania and understand his behavior as a mental disorder. But if this character was consistently written, he would do more research before drawing any conclusions. Because even in the news-snippet, Marcus Boone was just listed as a suspect, while 1 right away decides that he's the murderer. I'm not sure if he changed his mind by the end of the episode, but he certainly was going for revenge in the beginning.

[arjumand]

My #2 suspect is Five because she is EXTREMELY dead set on "can't we all just get along?! won't someone love meee?!" Nails on my mental chalkboard. Her (non-)reaction to causing Six to almost injure himself was weird.

 

 

You know, if she hadn't been plugged into the not!Inception machine, I would have said she's another android - she's starting to give me PTSD type flashbacks to the Winona Ryder-bot in Alien Resurrection. Ugh.

 

I don't know what to say about the episode. I can't say I enjoyed the Four backstory because I skipped most of it - it was just a retread for me. There were actual scenes which we'd fucking seen already - was the episode running short, or what?

 

I enjoyed the rest, even though One reacted in the dumbest possible way to his revelation - I don't remember anything about my wife, but I'm incredibly sad that she's dead, and I want REVENGE! What the fuck. At this point, as Three pointed out at the end of the episode, he remembers more life-changing experiences with Three than he does with his putative wife, but no. I will give in to the cliche, must be One's motto. I will embody all the cliches.

 

And he's not very bright, is he? If Three was supposed to kill his wife, he was supposed to do it for money. So, who paid him? As they say in every cop show ever, talk to the husband. Ok, it might not be him, but the husband/boyfriend is always the first suspect.

 

I kind of enjoyed it, but I think it doesn't count as I skipped a lot, haha.

[MrHufflepuff]

If I were One, I'd go back to my real face and my original life, because I'd be a rich hottie.  The real Jace Corso is pissed that I'm using his face, but he doesn't know who I really am, so he wouldn't be able to track me down and I wouldn't have to worry anymore about him coming after me.  And I wouldn't have people who are pissed at the real Jace Corso coming after me.  And then I'd tell Two (and maybe some of the others on the crew) that if they want to live it up with my rich hottie life, I'd let them.

 

With my money, I could probably find a doctor or TV scientist who could work out a way to restore my memories.  And after getting my memories back, if I still wanted to go after Three, well, I'm rich, so maybe I'd do that.

 

And then the show would be over.

[sjohnson]

...I will give in to the cliche, must be One's motto. I will embody all the cliches.

 

And he's not very bright, is he? If Three was supposed to kill his wife, he was supposed to do it for money. So, who paid him? As they say in every cop show ever, talk to the husband. Ok, it might not be him, but the husband/boyfriend is always the first suspect...

Which is what makes Moss so entertaining to me. The subtext "See, there's someone dumber and dorkier than you!" is wonderfully comforting. I don't need Boone for vicarious pleasure of being an ass, which, alas, I manage to achieve on my own.

 

When ever did Moss learn to aim during a firefight? 

[Shanna Marie]

Is it too crackpot to say Android did the memory wiping?

That was what came to me when she started talking about doing a wipe -- like something happened and she came to the conclusion that the way to deal with it was to wipe everyone.

[Terrafamilia]

I was shocked and disappointed by Four's killing of his mentor because it just didn't seem to be all that smart. Sure, the guy said that he'd still come after Four but he was nonetheless a potential ally. If Four really wants a throne, and all the headaches that come with it, he's going to need all the help he can get. I was hoping Two would ask him pointedly why he even wants it apart from the old "it was mine and I want it back". Clearing his name would be a reasonable desire as well as getting a nice chunk of an imperial inheritance but from the flashbacks it didn't seem he was all that enamored with the whole ruling an empire thing.

 

I, too, wonder why One wants to stick around. He should be thinking about falling back, regrouping, and coming back stronger. That could also open up an avenue for a story where he and we along with him figure out; 1) the real mastermind behind his wife's death and how One's now moved from the frying pan to the fire, or 2) that he is that mastermind and was on the Raza to A) tie up a loose end, or B) the  (Galactic) authorities were on to him and he needed to get out of Dodge and disappear.

[MissLucas]

I, too, wonder why One wants to stick around. He should be thinking about falling back, regrouping, and coming back stronger. That could also open up an avenue for a story where he and we along with him figure out; 1) the real mastermind behind his wife's death and how One's now moved from the frying pan to the fire, or 2) that he is that mastermind and was on the Raza to A) tie up a loose end, or B) the  (Galactic) authorities were on to him and he needed to get out of Dodge and disappear.

This is all fine and dandy but unfortunately based on the premise that One has a functioning brain.

[Human]

I was shocked and disappointed by Four's killing of his mentor because it just didn't seem to be all that smart. Sure, the guy said that he'd still come after Four but he was nonetheless a potential ally. If Four really wants a throne, and all the headaches that come with it, he's going to need all the help he can get.

 

 

I think the mentor made it really clear that he wasn't an ally and that the only way he would be an ally is if Four gave him a better offer.  A fair weather ally, if you will.  The mentor seemed to imply that he knew the stepmom's plan to murder the Emperor and blame it on Four and yet he only half-heartedly tried to stop him from going to his father's chambers.  Then the mentor basically said "hey, let me remind you of all of the ways I owe you for my life and then rub it in your face that I'm not going to pay it back in any meaningful way."  The mentor seemed like a shady dude, not just for Four, but also for his brother.  Four may not remember his brother, but I think it means something to him that Five could tell him that they were close.  

[Terrafamilia]

I think the mentor made it really clear that he wasn't an ally and that the only way he would be an ally is if Four gave him a better offer.  A fair weather ally, if you will.  The mentor seemed to imply that he knew the stepmom's plan to murder the Emperor and blame it on Four and yet he only half-heartedly tried to stop him from going to his father's chambers. 

That is a possibility now that I think about it, though I was assuming he meant he thought that if he had stopped Four then the emperor would still be alive. 

[Mars477]

Four's schlocky Exiled Prince plot with its terrible Space Japan would only be worthwhile if it turned out his dad the Emperor was a raving psychopath, he was his father's favored genocidal warlord, and his stepmother and stepbrother revolutionaries hoping to halt the slaughter. Then we'd have a nice exploration of memory and self-determination.

Sadly, since the writers for this show would not recognize a reasonably fresh idea if it walked up to them naked and smacked them across the face, the plotline is being played completely straight.

[shapeshifter]

I was shocked and disappointed by Four's killing of his mentor because it just didn't seem to be all that smart. Sure, the guy said that he'd still come after Four but he was nonetheless a potential ally. If Four really wants a throne, and all the headaches that come with it, he's going to need all the help he can get. I was hoping Two would ask him pointedly why he even wants it apart from the old "it was mine and I want it back". Clearing his name would be a reasonable desire as well as getting a nice chunk of an imperial inheritance but from the flashbacks it didn't seem he was all that enamored with the whole ruling an empire thing.

It sure was a shocker. Better shows could take lessons from this episode.

I'm guessing we are supposed to understand that he killed the mentor to protect his new "family" who the mentor just witnessed killing a bunch of people on behalf of a wanted (alleged) father killer. And both he and Two mentioned (IIRC) that if/when he was given the throne and its accompanying wealth, he would use some of it to bank roll his new family.

[AudienceofOne]

I'm probably biased because I'm a writer (if you call Merlin fan fiction writing) and I actually wrote a story about all the characters losing their memories. I've been thinking about turning it into a book but one of the things that stopped me was that I failed to see how it could work to have the audience discover a character's past along with the character. I've been rethinking it because this show did exactly that: it presented all the characters as blank slates.

 

But this episode made me think I was right the first time. Because we don't know any of these people before the show started we don't know how much of what they do is a "blank slate" act - a result of their experiences after the mind wipe - or an inherent aspect of their personalities. For example, there's been very little bonding between 4 and anyone but, maybe, 5? and yet in this he declares them his "new family". Is that because they're the only people he's known since he had his mind wiped or because his core personality values family?

 

Did he kill his former mentor because he was just some stranger who had made it clear his loyalty was to the throne rather than the man on it? Did he kill him out of spite? Did he kill him because he knew about Two and the others? Because it was an illogical move - all it did was convince his brother that he really is in danger from Four. We've never seen Four do anything that wasn't carefully-planned so why this random act? We don't know because we don't know these characters.

 

Why is Two determined - despite numerous opportunities to come clean - to hide the fact her wound has healed? Is it because she retains a core sense that people are inherently untrustworthy? Or because she prefers to have the upper hand that knowledge gives her? Because she's scared she's the one behind the mind wipe? We don't know.

 

In fact, the only character that consistently makes sense to me is Six and I suspect that's the acting rather the writing. He's a good man with a conscience, the kind that is driven to get involved in activism, who has manipulated into committing a terrible act. That kind of person would feel incredibly guilty about it even without the memory of it because they're just that empathetic. (That is ignoring the fact his scenes in this episode were written as if he had a memory of it, which was annoying).

 

To pull off something like this you need extremely-strong characterisation, writing and acting. Most importantly, you need an impetus - something for everyone to do while you're exploring their personalities. Farscape was smart enough to give everyone on Moya a need to stay there together while the group bonded. This seems to be a show about people wandering around aimlessly in a ship together for no real reason.

Edited August 9, 2015 by AudienceofOne

[Mars477]

Also, show, you've got to stop killing your supporting characters before they can return in a later episode.  The utter lack of any kind of recurring supporting character is hamstringing the show's efforts at worldbuilding and making the show feel incredibly claustrophobic.

[shapeshifter]

Also, show, you've got to stop killing your supporting characters before they can return in a later episode. The utter lack of any kind of recurring supporting character is hamstringing the show's efforts at worldbuilding and making the show feel incredibly claustrophobic.

Although that's undoubtedly due to reasons of economy (I don't really know, but I guess a one-off is cheaper than each appearance in a recurring contract), but now that you mention it, "claustrophobic" could work for a space ship that doesn't have a home port.

Still, yes, not enough David Hewlett, and although Wikipedia lists Wil Wheaton as a recurring character (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Matter_(TV_series)#Recurring) we haven't seen him yet, have we?

Edited August 9, 2015 by shapeshifter

[MissLucas]

Wil Whetaon hasn't made an appearance yet. I agree that the absence of recurring characters helps creating a claustrophobic feeling though a little more world-building wouldn't hurt the show.

 

To pull off something like this you need extremely-strong characterisation, writing and acting. Most importantly, you need an impetus - something for everyone to do while you're exploring their personalities. Farscape was smart enough to give everyone on Moya a need to stay there together while the group bonded. This seems to be a show about people wandering around aimlessly in a ship together for no real reason.

 

They do have an impetus to stay on-board: it's the one place they are familiar with and their fellow-shipmates are the only people who know about each others predicament. Leaving the Raza is dangerous for all of them because they do not know who's friend or foe and where it's safe for them to go and where trouble awaits them. There are obviously people out there who are after them.

 

David Hewlett's character is the one connection they have to their past and it bugs me that they never tried figure out more about him. Just as much as it bugged me that it took them ages to explore the ship and find the vault. And from the promo it looks as if they still haven't devoted a lot of time trying to figure out what's in there beyond killer sexbots. Whilst I don't see lack of impetus I definitely see lack of initiative.

Edited August 9, 2015 by MissLucas

[Mars477]

Although that's undoubtedly due to reasons of economy (I don't really know, but I guess a one-off is cheaper than each appearance in a recurring contract), but now that you mention it, "claustrophobic" could work for a space ship that doesn't have a home port.

Still, yes, not enough David Hewlett, and although Wikipedia lists Wil Wheaton as a recurring character (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Matter_(TV_series)#Recurring) we haven't seen him yet, have we?

Only if 1) the universe is well established and defined, and 2) they are facing some kind of well defined and imminent threat that actually brings some tension to the lot of them being cooped up on this ship together.  Neither of these have happened.  The Destiny expedition was locked on a space ship with no home port, which felt claustrophobic, and it also had supporting characters.

 

And I think someone else may have brought it up but how expensive is FTL travel in this setting?  One one hand stasis pods seem to be necessary and flash clones are used to travel for long distances on a temporary basis, but on the other hand the Raza seems to be able to jump many LY at only minimal expense and Four can make his way to Space Asian Sterotype World relatively easily, which means that interstellar FTL capable shuttles should be a thing.

Edited August 9, 2015 by Mars477

[millahnna]

I would seriously name this my new favorite show ever if One went back to his real face and the real Jace ended up aboard for a bit. That would be some serious farscape level shit, that right there. This show has tiny twinges that remind me of scape and other excellent shows but something in the total package is holding it back. But then again, at this same point in farscape's run, none of us REALLY knew what we were in for yet.

[maczero]

I guess I was suppose to feel bad for Five for what Six said to her, but all I could think was that Five was an idiot for jump-scaring Six like that when he was bench-pressing, so if anything, he was nice to not chew her ass out for almost causing him to crush his own chest.

 

If I were Six, it would've taken everything I had not to smack the shit out of her.  

 

If I were One, I'd go back to my real face and my original life, because I'd be a rich hottie.  The real Jace Corso is pissed that I'm using his face, but he doesn't know who I really am, so he wouldn't be able to track me down and I wouldn't have to worry anymore about him coming after me.  And I wouldn't have people who are pissed at the real Jace Corso coming after me.  And then I'd tell Two (and maybe some of the others on the crew) that if they want to live it up with my rich hottie life, I'd let them.

 

With my money, I could probably find a doctor or TV scientist who could work out a way to restore my memories.  And after getting my memories back, if I still wanted to go after Three, well, I'm rich, so maybe I'd do that.

 

And then the show would be over.

That doesn't sound like it would necessarily end the show but it's a helluva a smart way to write One (or at least the actor who plays One) out of the show.

 

Clearing his name would be a reasonable desire as well as getting a nice chunk of an imperial inheritance but from the flashbacks it didn't seem he was all that enamored with the whole ruling an empire thing.

We're assuming he doesn't remember the events or at least he has no emotional attachment to the past so it's very likely that Four just wants to be rich and powerful.  His dad is dead and he seemed to be the main one making his life miserable so there's another reason for wanting the throne back.  

 

Can someone tell me the list of suspects that Two and Three came up with and why?

[MissLucas]

Here you go:

 

You wanna play process-of-elimination? After you.
Okay.
Five.
Computers and gadgets are her thing.
Double-dealing and conspiracy not so much.
Six is a suspect in a mass murder.
Innocent or not, that type of rap sheet doesn't offer much in the way of deal opportunities.
Four, he's got that weird nobility thing going on.
He'd rather lop off his own arm off than dishonor himself by betraying us.
Which leaves us with three possibilities.
You, me, or one.
We should stop.

[Jack Kerouac]

Four can make his way to Space Asian Stereotype World relatively easily, which means that interstellar FTL capable shuttles should be a thing.

 

You win the comment section today. Awesome.

[maczero]

Here you go:

Thanks!

[mirrorrim]

I'm watching this way late, but had to come here to say: Can we keep the "real" One please? I was hoping this was their way of removing the original actor with some crazy clone glitch.

[jhlipton]

On 8/9/2015 at 5:54 AM, Mars477 said:

Four can make his way to Space Asian Sterotype World relatively easily, which means that interstellar FTL capable shuttles should be a thing.

Four went to Deliverance Planet (sans banjos) (not Space Asian Sterotype World) because it was a "neutral" planet, but your point still stands.