Social Media and Behind the Scenes: AKA Everything Else Not "News and Media"

[Primal Slayer]

1 minute ago, Velocity23 said:

But how does that work? Because outside episode 12ish -15is  she barely filmed for more then 2-3 days a piece. 

 That's 2-3 days she is staying with Danielle.

[Velocity23]

Just now, Primal Slayer said:

 That's 2-3 days she is staying with Danielle.

I hope DP charges a lot then. 

[catrox14]

21 minutes ago, Primal Slayer said:

Which was at the end of January if I'm not mistaken. Wow getting it off by a week..huge.

I think in a situation like this, it is huge. I remember the date I was laid off my job after 7 years  I remember the entire thing like it was yesterday. It's Traumatic to he let go from a job. Even in a transient career like acting it's still a shock. I guess to me she would remember the date and time given now she is saying how much it upset her. But I might just be a more sensitive person about kind of thing.

Edited April 4, 2018 by catrox14

[Primal Slayer]

I know plenty of people who are the opposite, they can barely remember 2 weeks ago let alone 2 years. Not everyone remembers things like that down to the detail. I certainly don't remember the day I was let go. I can tell you when my new job started and that's about it.

[catrox14]

2 minutes ago, Primal Slayer said:

I know plenty of people who are the opposite, they can barely remember 2 weeks ago let alone 2 years. Not everyone remembers things like that down to the detail. I certainly don't remember the day I was let go. I can tell you when my new job started and that's about it.

And you're not talking about how much it upset you either which is my point. She seems to still be emotionally attached to that incident given how she's complaining about it now.

[Primal Slayer]

8 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

And you're not talking about how much it upset you either which is my point. She seems to still be emotionally attached to that incident given how she's complaining about it now.

Oh I was plenty of upset because it was shitty how it happened. 

[Velocity23]

6 minutes ago, Primal Slayer said:

Oh I was plenty of upset because it was shitty how it happened. 

But why is it only shitty when it comes to KC? Its not like other actors got better treatment when their characters were killed off. It just seems common practice in the industry. Heck i feel more sorry for the kid from TWD then i do for KC who chose to come back to this show who in her opinion treated her horribly. 

[catrox14]

18 minutes ago, Primal Slayer said:

Oh I was plenty of upset because it was shitty how it happened. 

Sorry, I wasn't trying to suggest you weren't and  you're not taking to the media complaining that you got screwed over and then still came back to the job that let you go. I mean if the company that let me go offered me X dollars, I'd swallow my bitterness and take the job and not bad mouth how it went down the first time. It's weird sour grapes for KC IMO at this time when they gifted her a kind of "better" character. 

[SmallScreenDiva]

Man, I'd really love to find out what happened behind the scenes. This show's treatment of Cassidy is almost schizophrenic. I've heard from more than one person, not counting Canadagraphs, that Berlanti had wanted her out since right after the pilot and yet it took 4 seasons to get rid of Laurel. And then they turned around and offered a reprisal of her Black Siren role? And the way they wrote that role in Season 5 came across as very meta, including having the actress who replaced Cassidy in the LI role punch BS. But then they suddenly bring her back for the finale (apparently a surprise for the Arrow people) and now she actually has a storyline in Season 6 (which granted involves making the rest of the characters stupid as hell but it's still a storyline). 

(I can't remember, did she show up as Black Siren on The Flash after Laurel was killed off on Arrow or was it before?)

Edited April 4, 2018 by SmallScreenDiva

[GHScorpiosRule]

11 minutes ago, SmallScreenDiva said:

I can't remember, did she show up as Black Siren on The Flash after Laurel was killed off on Arrow or was it before?)

She showed up after Laurel was killed off. "Canary Cry" aired on April 27, and appeared as Black Siren on The Flash in "Invincible" on May 17.

[Trisha]

She really is the cutest:

[statsgirl]

According to DR, they were all worried that they would be the one in the grave.  So while it must have been a shock to KC that it was going to be Laurel, she must have had some inkling that it could be her, especially since Tommy was killed in s1.

5 hours ago, tv echo said:

 Mod: "The first part from Arrow, it was more of an evil character that you played?" KC: "The first part was a pure, nice, driven, good-hearted, big-hearted, warm, loving Laurel, who then hit rock bottom, who then came back out on top, became a superhero, and got stabbed by Damian Darhk, and then came back as Laurel Earth-2 Black Siren - the evil Laurel.".

I'm guessing that the Mod didn't watch Arrow, but it's funny to hear that given how Laurel came across in s1.  And 2.

4 hours ago, apinknightmare said:

If I were that mad about how I'd been treated, I would've said no on the spot when asked back. Didn't MG say something about Susanna Thompson telling them no when they asked her back after they killed her off? That if they had more story for her they shouldn't have done it in the first place? Or am I misremembering?

IIRC, Susanna Thompson refused to come back for the 100th.  She agreed to come back for the end of the flashbacks in s5.  If it was because of the story, I understand completely

[Starfish35]

4 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

IIRC, Susanna Thompson refused to come back for the 100th.  She agreed to come back for the end of the flashbacks in s5.  If it was because of the story, I understand completely

She was in the 100th episode, wasn't she?  I could have sworn she was there in Oliver's alien hallucination reality.

[way2interested]

Just now, statsgirl said:

IIRC, Susanna Thompson refused to come back for the 100th. She agreed to come back for the end of the flashbacks in s5

But she did come back for 508? And then also later came back for the flashback in 523 and even had a voiceover cameo in this year's crossover. I guess like MB, it's water under the bridge now?

[SmallScreenDiva]

Yep, Susanna agreed to show up for the 100th. I think it was an earlier guest spot she turned down.

[lemotomato]

The rumors about ST refusing to go back to film for Arrow were about the flashbacks for 314, when Oliver was back in SC.

[statsgirl]

I thought they used something she had previously filmed for the 100th,, as they did for Colin Donnell, but you're right, there were all those Thea scenes..

For 5x23 she filmed the scene where Oliver phoned Moira to tell her that he was alive.  Great scene on both their parts.

Edited April 4, 2018 by statsgirl

[GHScorpiosRule]

7 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

IIRC, Susanna Thompson refused to come back for the 100th.  She agreed to come back for the end of the flashbacks in s5.  If it was because of the story, I understand completely

 

2 minutes ago, Starfish35 said:

She was in the 100th episode, wasn't she?  I could have sworn she was there in Oliver's alien hallucination reality.

Yes, she did. As did Jamey Sheridan. The only actor they had to CGI in, was Colin, because of scheduling conflicts, I think? I'm not up to speed about the behind the scenes stuff, so I don't know why Thompson refused to come back for the 100th, but she changed her mind and ultimately did.

[way2interested]

She was in it a bunch

[lemotomato]

SA also posted a BTS pic with ST and JB when they were filming the 100th episode.

[calliope1975]

That's such a great picture. I miss Moira. Forever bitter we don't get all the scenes with Felicity, Donna, and even, as much as I'm not a fan, William. 

[KenyaJ]

23 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

For 5x23 she filmed the scene where Oliver phoned Moira to tell her that he was alive.  Great scene on both their parts.

That scene gutted me. I would give anything to have her back.

[Morrigan2575]

Eww, eww doggie tongue!

[Primal Slayer]

4 hours ago, Velocity23 said:

But why is it only shitty when it comes to KC? Its not like other actors got better treatment when their characters were killed off. It just seems common practice in the industry. Heck i feel more sorry for the kid from TWD then i do for KC who chose to come back to this show who in her opinion treated her horribly. 

Who said it is only shitty when it comes to KC?   

5 hours ago, Primal Slayer said:

I feel bad for all actors find out so close to their last episodes, especially when it's those mystery deaths that they claim not to know until they write it.

[Mary0360]

I've missed Katie Cassidys bizarre head canon interview answers. Beyond the whole subtle dissing the writers/producers at a public event (that she happily took further employment from)  I have to laugh at the fact that she portrays herself as some Daniel Day Lewis character actor who spent long hard months coming up with back stories and developing her character, when in reality the character of Laurel and Black Siren .... not that deep. In fact outside of prehaps Oliver, none of the characters are that deep. You're working on the CW on a superhero show, not Netflix or a Scorsese film. And if she has spent tireless months developing her character like good character actress- why is Black Siren still surface level and kinda lame? 

[Primal Slayer]

4 hours ago, catrox14 said:

Sorry, I wasn't trying to suggest you weren't and  you're not taking to the media complaining that you got screwed over and then still came back to the job that let you go. I mean if the company that let me go offered me X dollars, I'd swallow my bitterness and take the job and not bad mouth how it went down the first time. It's weird sour grapes for KC IMO at this time when they gifted her a kind of "better" character. 

Except she didn't complain to the media. She was asked a question as a con and answered in which she also said "It sucked, but it happens. I understood from a writing perspective, you know, producer's perspective, because it's a platform for all the other main characters, the storyline, driving them in different directions. And I'm really glad they brought me back. I'm having fun."

1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

IIRC, Susanna Thompson refused to come back for the 100th.  She agreed to come back for the end of the flashbacks in s5.  If it was because of the story, I understand completely

They wanted Susanna back for the S4 episode where Oliver goes back to the SC in the flashback. 

[Primal Slayer]

7 minutes ago, Mary0360 said:

I've missed Katie Cassidys bizarre head canon interview answers. Beyond the whole subtle dissing the writers/producers at a public event (that she happily took further employment from)  I have to laugh at the fact that she portrays herself as some Daniel Day Lewis character actor who spent long hard months coming up with back stories and developing her character, when in reality the character of Laurel and Black Siren .... not that deep. In fact outside of prehaps Oliver, none of the characters are that deep. You're working on the CW on a superhero show, not Netflix or a Scorsese film. And if she has spent tireless months developing her character like good character actress- why is Black Siren still surface level and kinda lame? 

So does Paul Blackthorne consider himself some Daniel Day Lewis character actor? He's talked plenty about coming up with entire the Lance family history. Actors, no matter the network can come up with backstory.

[way2interested]

Snarky Social Media Stephen sometimes makes me laugh:

[Guest]

SA is really active on twitter lately.

I don't wike it. ?

[lemotomato]

1 hour ago, Mary0360 said:

I've missed Katie Cassidys bizarre head canon interview answers

My favorite is still that interview in mid season 3 when she talked about that the Oliver-Felicity-Laurel love triangle that was happening only in her head.

[Mellowyellow]

3 minutes ago, lemotomato said:

My favorite is still that interview in mid season 3 when she talked about that the Oliver-Felicity-Laurel love triangle that was happening only in her head.

I think what's funnier is that there was a very active love triangle going on that the other two were involved in that had nothing to do with her. 

[BkWurm1]

13 hours ago, lemotomato said:

She's changed her story about when/how it happened a couple times. I remember one version where she said she found out in the middle of HVFF NYC early Janurary 2016 (the one with the big snowstorm) and one where she found out "right before" she had to shoot a long courtroom scene during filming of 4.16, which was right after HVFF NYC, but still in January. Both of these accounts she portrayed herself as a trooper, that she bravely put on a good face and went to the con acting normal and that she put her feelings aside to bravely film her scenes despite being ambushed by the news.

She's mad that the show asked her to come back and gave her a job? Why did she come back, then? Also, the exit is right there, KC. Feel free to leave and go back to advertising for kitty litter.

Thanks @tv echo for the transcription. 

 

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13 hours ago, Primal Slayer said:

Sounds like She was mad that they killed her off so it was easy to play evil when coming back. Though I'm sure the emotional stress isn't fun. 

 

I took what KC said about being asked to play evil and so she really gave them evil because she was still upset was all about that first episode for The Flash as BS.  Doing that so soon after being let go would sting but like a year later?  That wouldn't make sense to me.  Especially since her return was at first supposed to make Oliver question if she was full on evil anymore or not.  

Edited April 5, 2018 by BkWurm1

[jenrising]

21 hours ago, tv echo said:

KC: "The first part was a pure, nice, driven, good-hearted, big-hearted, warm, loving Laurel

Hahahahahahaahahahahahahaha. Hahahahahahaaaahahaaaahahaaa!

*gasp*

Hahahahahaahahaaahahahaha!

[Trisha]

[Morrigan2575]

I hope this episode is good for Diggle/DR.  Even if I dont't like it or  agree with it or like the plot, I hope they give SA and DR some meaty scenes. They have a great relationship/chemistry and it's always a joy to watch their emotional scenes

Edited April 5, 2018 by Morrigan2575

[tv echo]

Some general impressions from watching KC's panel at Dutch Comic Con...

Every time KC would complain or express something negative about Arrow (like the writing or how her character was killed off), she would then follow up with praise or an expression of gratitude. So she's definitely not burning any bridges.

I felt like there was a whole meta thing going on where she kept talking about how both Laurels were "fighters" and "survivors" and how there was this "we shall overcome" aspect to that character. She also said that Laurel "rises above." Similarly, when talking about being fired, she said that "you just have to rise above it." So I thought that she was identifying strongly with her character. I also felt like she has fought and will fight to stay on Arrow (or in the Arrowverse) for as long as possible.

After she talked about how easy it was to play Evil Laurel because she just channeled her anger/frustration over her E1 Laurel character being killed off, she then made a point of thanking her fans, saying: "By the way, thank you to everyone who supported me throughout this whole getting killed off, being brought back - cause I actually do, I think it's been - I think you guys have a huge influence... Uh, I certainly owe a lot - most of it to you. The support was pretty unbelievable and you guys have been pretty unbelievable. So thank you. And thank you for continuing to support me." So I think that, by giving most of the credit to her fans for her return to Arrow, she's also encouraging them to make noise if it turns out that she's not asked back for next season.

I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with any of the above. I just thought it was interesting.

Edited April 5, 2018 by tv echo

[tv echo]

[tv echo]

[tv echo]

Posting here because GB talks b-t-s stuff about working on TV shows generally (not just Blindspot)...

Executive Producer Greg Berlanti talks Blindspot
By ABBIE BERNSTEIN  April 4th, 2018 / 09:58 PM
https://www.assignmentx.com/2018/the-blacklist-executive-producer-greg-berlanti-interview/

Quote

ASSIGNMENT X: As an executive producer with many projects going on simultaneously, what is your exact function on BLINDSPOT? Do the show runners just bring you scripts and say, “What do you think?”

GREG BERLANTI: On any show, it’s how much they need me that day. So some days they need me to help re-break an episode, or do a cut, or figure out a story arc, or cast an actor, and then other days, they’re like, “No, we’re all busy, we’re writing, we don’t need you today.” It changes from show to show, and day to day.
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AX: Having done both, which do you feel is harder, writing a pilot or a series finale?

BERLANTI: I think a pilot, because there’s so much undiscovered, because it’s such a discovery process. Usually, most of the pilots we’ve written on the shows sometimes come in at like ninety-eight, a hundred pages when we start. We do them very rough, and we’re just discovering the world, and different things.

Edited April 5, 2018 by tv echo

[lemotomato]

2 hours ago, tv echo said:

she then made a point of thanking her fans, saying: "By the way, thank you to everyone who supported me throughout this whole getting killed off, being brought back - cause I actually do, I think it's been - I think you guys have a huge influence

This is why I’m skeptical about what she says about BTS stuff. What influence does she think her fans had aside from leaving nasty messages and threats in the social media accounts of all her former coworkers and bosses? I didn’t see any trends or organized campaigns on her behalf. She didn’t win any polls. LL-centric posts by the official accounts don’t get a significant increase in RTs/likes. It’s one thing to thank fans for being supportive, but to flat out lie that they had anything to do with her coming back makes me side-eye anything else she says.

[Chaser]

4 minutes ago, lemotomato said:

This is why I’m skeptical about what she says about BTS stuff. What influence does she think her fans had aside from leaving nasty messages and threats in the social media accounts of all her former coworkers and bosses? I didn’t see any trends or organized campaigns on her behalf. She didn’t win any polls. LL-centric posts by the official accounts don’t get a significant increase in RTs/likes. It’s one thing to thank fans for being supportive, but to flat out lie that they had anything to do with her coming back makes me side-eye anything else she says.

Whenever I hear someone say the backlash over LL's death brought KC back or they brought BS on because the character is a fan favorite I get annoyed. Bringing her back is not proof of this.

[Guest]

If they really cared about backlash they would've just bought back E1 LL from the dead somehow. They didn't.

[Chaser]

On ‎4‎/‎4‎/‎2018 at 8:22 AM, tv echo said:

KC panel at Dutch Comic Con on April 1...

Dutch Comic Con 2018- Katie Cassidy (Arrow, The Flash) panel Sunday
Published on Apr 3, 2018, by Conmose

 

-- On working on Arrow and the Arrowverse, KC: "It's been pretty amazing, ever since the pilot. our writers, producers, they've been pretty awesome. They, um - for me, specifically, you know, they've written my character very well. Then they have - by the way, spoiler alert - uh, not written my character very well. Season 4. Episode 19? Is it 419? (Pauses) Nobody knows. Okay, good, we'll keep it like that. And then they bring the character back. (Laughs) And they start writing for you again. So it's awesome."

 

So funny thing, when I first read this passage I thought she was talking about the specific writing of 4x19 and was like "Yeah that was shit, Laurel was making plans and making out with Oliver over Dearly Departed Tommy's memory." Then I realized she was talking about Laurel's death.

[Chaser]

KC canceled HVFF due to illness. 

[KenyaJ]

Don't troll us, show. Where is our dessert?

[Belinea]

Does she get money from the collaboration? Also, and I mean this as lovingly as possible because she is always pretty, but a fan of the outfit, I am not. Somehow her clothing choices here, remind me of SA's dress code. 

Edited April 6, 2018 by Belinea

[Mellowyellow]

Haha she's clearly hanging out with SA too much his sloppy fashion sense has rubbed off on her. 

I'm half expecting her to sport a nocking point t shirt one day......

She's sooooo cute though?

[Primal Slayer]

I want her sweater. 

[JJ928]

I side-eye about half of her fashion choices lol. But at least she always looks happy.

[Guest]

She really is sunshine personified tbh.