S07.E11: Fashionably Fired Up

[ScoobieDoobs]

The NY Post reviews Sonja clothes & it ain't good-

 

http://nypost.com/2015/06/19/would-you-buy-clothes-from-this-woman/

[BlackMamba]

The NY Post reviews Sonja clothes & it ain't good-

http://nypost.com/2015/06/19/would-you-buy-clothes-from-this-woman/

Well shit she is in over her head. Ive already made the point in the Sonja thread those prices are ridiculous and for someone who isnt a big name fashion designer,cmon now!

Even her good buddy Diddy, when he first introduced Sean John back in the late 90s and early 2000s never charged massive prices. I could remember his jeans were in the 50-70 dollar range and his casual t-shirts with the logos were about 15-30 bucks. Diddy was still at that time the number one Hip Hop Mogul/producer then and knew his audience well enough what folks would spend or not spend. Sonja is just doing this all wrong. Nothing will sell if shes depending on the housewife fans to buy. Hope she has a lot of connects to big names to wear her stuff because that's the only people who will be buy.

Edited June 20, 2015 by BlackMamba

[ScoobieDoobs]

And The Post is right in pointing out how plain those clothes are.  Not worth those insane prices, with no interesting or memorable style or design to 'em. 

 

Just checked the ratings for this ep & they're not great -- 1.157 mil viewers.  That's way down from last week.  Guess ole Beth ain't gonna oh-so-confidently state how the ratings are up.  Or will she?  She seems to have no prob lying to us -- or shall I say she seems quite comfy being extremely misleading?

Edited June 20, 2015 by ScoobieDoobs

[AnnA]

I don't ,mean to sound like a contrarian but Andy and all the executive producers get the dailies. He has mentioned this over and over. They don't just shoot a season of film and edit. So things are more contrived than they seem. Whenever there is something interesting the producers get together and see if it is something that leads or enhances a story line.

Do you know if Bravo or their production company or companies have editors on staff? They produce so many reality shows that air at different times of the year that it would make sense. Upthread a bit KungFuBunny mentioned hiring editors that may or may not have regular work. That would require them to edit all the footage at one time or over a short period of time. I can't help but think Bravo would like to tweak something they feel isn't working as planned. A good example might be Bethenny's crying. We saw very little of it this week and someone (somewhere) mentioned that it was going to stop.

Edited June 20, 2015 by AnnA

[breezy424]

Do you know if Bravo or their production company or companies have editors on staff? They produce so many reality shows that air at different times of the year that it would make sense. Upthread a bit KungFuBunny mentioned hiring editors that may or may not have regular work. That would require them to edit all the footage at one time or over a short period of time. I can't help but think Bravo would like to tweak something they feel isn't working as planned. A good example might be Bethenny's crying. We saw very little of it this week and someone (somewhere) mentioned that it was going to stop.

I would think they do have editors on staff as most of the production companies who produce Real Housewives shows.  Bravo doesn't.  They don't produce the shows.  Shed Media, who produces RHNY:

 

http://www.shedmedia.com/catalogue.aspx

 

They produce a number of shows.

 

It was Bethenny who said that we wouldn't see anymore of her crying.

[ihartcoffee]

Since we were talking about WWHL and Andy's favoritism earlier, I thought this was another example of sort of marginalizing and diminishing Heather and Kristen. Bethenny gets not one but three solo appearances, Kristen gets one third (!), and I think this was Heather's second appearance this season, both times with another guest.

So agree, WTF is up with Andy's obsession with B?

I don't care that much about her and all this airtime she's getting is just turning me off. I ff thru many of her solo scenes.

She's just trying to save face, rebrand, shill SG crap, and be relevant... imho

[KungFuBunny]

Therese Odell recap

 

http://blog.chron.com/tubular/2015/06/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city-dumb-and-dumber/#32124101=0

[Deputy Deputy CoS]

Bethenny, Ramona and now Dorinda (to a lesser extent) are looking for anything to try to make it seem as if Heather and Kristen are always confronting and mistreating Bethenny

 

 

 

I don't know about Dorinda or Ramona but Bethenny came back with a plan, and that is to be the victim. She knows that being the underdog is a surefire way to gain back the goodwill she so damn it, she'll play the victim. Dorinda is promoting it in hindsight and Ramona needs little reason to bully Kristen ; She's been after the girl since her first season.

 

Bethenny wept over her past and current situation with characters who were in the know. They facilitated the narrative and moved her along. It was obvious scenes like those with the therapists and the stepfather were staged. She flipped out on him when her therapist appeared to have gone off script. She is not having anything that derail the self chosen narrative.

 

The problem for her with regard to Heather and Kristen is that they weren't clued in on what their role in "The B is Back" was going to be. Heather trying to make conversation with Bethenny leads to multiple breakdowns. Heather unknowingly gave her a few crumbs because of her natural persistent characteristic. The Birkshire scenes before she decided to pull back from Bethenny was a win for Bethenny. As puzzled as Heather was by Bethenny's over the top negative reactions every time she tried to open a dialog with her, she was at least getting some feedback from Bethenny.

 

Poor Kristen is just lost because she wasn't getting even that. On one hand Bethenny appear to not give two fucks about her but wait a minute, she cares enough to talk smack about her behind her back. Which is it? As much as she likes to give off airs that she doesn't know of Kristen's existence, the way she goes out of her way to act that way means she is very very aware of Kristen. She planned on taking Kristen down by 1. Icing her out and 2. Using her in the same way she uses Heather, which is to be her victim. Had she watched Kristen last season, she'll find that Kristen hardly ever says a mean thing about people unless provoked. She is boring for this type of platform because of her innate goodness. That is my opinion of Kristen by the way.

 

Anyway back to the main point.  Kristen and Bethenny are not doing anything to victimize Bethenny but to their bafflement, Bethenny acts that way regardless. If Heather walks past her, tells her her inability to stay the course of a planned trip is fine by her, Bethenny will find a way this innocuous, even supportive statement hurts her. Kristen sits next to her at a casino; Kristen is being a nag. She has to know that Bethenny wants to spend alone time in a freaking casino! Dumb ass Kristen. Approach her to clarify scheduling? What an insensitive jerkass. Water work ensue. 

 

Bethenny must think us fools to not see through the con.

Edited June 20, 2015 by Deputy Deputy CoS

[tulip555]

No, she's on 63rd Street.  The construction site is on the corner of Third Ave & 63rd.  And 63rd is a very busy street too.  Don't even think of stopping.  But if you are going down that street, her townhouse is across from the construction site right next to that busy 24/7 garage.  It really is teeny.  Blink & you'll miss it.

 

Good for Moaner, working out so much.  Wish I still wanted to do that shit all the time, but nah, I'll pass.

 

The Warwick???  Ew.  Really, Satan Andy & producers????  This is the best you guys can come up with?  The Warwick is sooooo musty & fusty & icky.  I mean, sheesh, there are so many luxe & hip hotels now in the city, they could & should be showing.  What the fuckety fuck, Satan Andy?  Why you showing lame hotels like Essex & Warwick?  Fail!  Big time fail!

 

Moaner was EXTREMELY obnoxious to Kristen.  She shouldn't be calling ANYONE dumb.  That's just mean.  But do we expect anything else from Moaner?  Guess not.  She doesn't disappoint in that respect.

Maybe the "lame" hotels are the only ones willing to be part of the show as the nicer ones want no part of Andy and his dysfunctional "team" of women., ha ha.

[Crikey]

Maybe the "lame" hotels are the only ones willing to be part of the show as the nicer ones want no part of Andy and his dysfunctional "team" of women., ha ha.

lol

By "dysfunctional team of women" did you mean the mannequins because those chicks were not functional, at all  ;)

[KungFuBunny]

Note to Crikey and anyone who listened to the WWCP

 

Saw this on Kristen:

 

Here are a few things we know about her. Kristen Carroll was born in Farmington, Connecticut, and went to school at St. Paul Catholic High School in Bristol Conn. She graduated a year ahead at the age of sixteen, left her home and moved to Paris to pursue a modeling career. She was there for a few years and traveled to different countries. When she returned she started a business, 2nd Street Press, which sells, believe it or not, greeting cards storage containers and memory boxes.

 

I busted out laughing

 

 

[tulip555]

I agree , and I even understand that "civil" might not always be possible depending on the history and personalities involved. With all that she has going on, Bethenny should have avoided reality TV (which has a track record of straining real-life relationships) until her personal and emotional life was more stable.

I think being on the show is like drug to bethenny....she needs the attention to function, and doesn't care what she does or how she behaves to get it.

I agree , and I even understand that "civil" might not always be possible depending on the history and personalities involved. With all that she has going on, Bethenny should have avoided reality TV (which has a track record of straining real-life relationships) until her personal and emotional life was more stable.

I think being on the show is like drug to bethenny....she needs the attention to function, and doesn't care what she does or how she behaves to get it.

[imjagain]

I don't know about Dorinda or Ramona but Bethenny came back with a plan, and that is to be the victim. She knows that being the underdog is a surefire way to gain back the goodwill she so damn it, she'll play the victim. Dorinda is promoting it in hindsight and Ramona needs little reason to bully Kristen ; She's been after the girl since her first season.

Bethenny wept over her past and current situation with characters who were in the know. They facilitated the narrative and moved her along. It was obvious scenes like those with the therapists and the stepfather were staged. She flipped out on him when her therapist appeared to have gone off script. She is not having anything that derail the self chosen narrative.

The problem for her with regard to Heather and Kristen is that they weren't clued in on what their role in "The B is Back" was going to be. Heather trying to make conversation with Bethenny leads to multiple breakdowns. Heather unknowingly gave her a few crumbs because of her natural persistent characteristic. The Birkshire scenes before she decided to pull back from Bethenny was a win for Bethenny. As puzzled as Heather was by Bethenny's over the top negative reactions every time she tried to open a dialog with her, she was at least getting some feedback from Bethenny.

Poor Kristen is just lost because she wasn't getting even that. On one hand Bethenny appear to not give two fucks about her but wait a minute, she cares enough to talk smack about her behind her back. Which is it? As much as she likes to give off airs that she doesn't know of Kristen's existence, the way she goes out of her way to act that way means she is very very aware of Kristen. She planned on taking Kristen down by 1. Icing her out and 2. Using her in the same way she uses Heather, which is to be her victim. She watched Kristen last season, she'll find that Kristen hardly ever says a mean thing about people unless provoked. She is boring for this type of platform because of her innate goodness. That is my opinion of Kristen by the way.

Anyway back to the main point. Kristen and Bethenny are not doing anything to victimize Bethenny but to their bafflement, Bethenny acts that way regardless. If Heather walks past her, tells her her inability to stay the course of a planned trip is fine by her, Bethenny will find a way this innocuous, even supportive statement hurts her. Kristen sits next to her at a casino; Kristen is being a nag. She has to know that Bethenny wants to spend alone time in a freaking casino! Dumb ass Kristen. Approach her to clarify scheduling? What an insensitive jerkass. Water work ensue.

Bethenny must think us fools to not see through the con.

Excellent post!

Oh my God, I forgot about Beth being annoyed that Kristen sat next to her at the casino lol. Beth is ridiculous.

Exactly who goes away with a group where they all go to a casino, then bitches because she wants to be alone? And of course Kristen should have known that. Since we all know meek frail Beth could never find her voice and say it.

Edited June 20, 2015 by imjagain

[Crikey]

Note to Crikey and anyone who listened to the WWCP

 

Saw this on Kristen:

 

Here are a few things we know about her. Kristen Carroll was born in Farmington, Connecticut, and went to school at St. Paul Catholic High School in Bristol Conn. She graduated a year ahead at the age of sixteen, left her home and moved to Paris to pursue a modeling career. She was there for a few years and traveled to different countries. When she returned she started a business, 2nd Street Press, which sells, believe it or not, greeting cards storage containers and memory boxes.

 

I busted out laughing

LOL you cold, cruel wabbit!  It is now obvious the chick has long standing box issues!  I would have issues, also.  Did you see dem boxes?  Ugly!  I thought a shoebox ( I mentioned box and now, somewhere in NY Kristen felt a cold chill run down her spine! lol) and some of that old adhesive contact paper would beat the $50 price tag.  

Then I remembered , many moons ago, my ex MIL and ex SIL wanted me to slap up flowery contact paper all over the kitchen and bathroom in my new house.  I had made the mistake of saying their kitchens and bathrooms looked nice that way (trying to be polite).   I have flowery contact paper issues, yanno!  lol

I did the SoundCloud and it worked great!  Thanks.

I catch other HW shows on the fly when they are on repeat.  I listen to RHOBH the next day after airing.  I like LisaV and Eileen. 

WWCP on RHOC...David, oh David, hey, David, David, umm, David, Oh, David...... hilarious!  I dated several guys named David then married.....yeah, a David but, thankfully he goes by his middle name!  

Somewhere, at night, in the deep darkness of sleep, Kristen is having nightmares of boxes!! and Shannon is roaming her house whispering, David, oh, David....... lol

PS Bethy not inviting Kristen to the cupcake event was a blessing.  Did you see the walls, lined with.....boxes!!

Edited June 20, 2015 by Crikey

[ihartcoffee]

I don't know about Dorinda or Ramona but Bethenny came back with a plan, and that is to be the victim. She knows that being the underdog is a surefire way to gain back the goodwill she so damn it, she'll play the victim. Dorinda is promoting it in hindsight and Ramona needs little reason to bully Kristen ; She's been after the girl since her first season.

Bethenny wept over her past and current situation with characters who were in the know. They facilitated the narrative and moved her along. It was obvious scenes like those with the therapists and the stepfather were staged. She flipped out on him when her therapist appeared to have gone off script. She is not having anything that derail the self chosen narrative.

The problem for her with regard to Heather and Kristen is that they weren't clued in on what their role in "The B is Back" was going to be. Heather trying to make conversation with Bethenny leads to multiple breakdowns. Heather unknowingly gave her a few crumbs because of her natural persistent characteristic. The Birkshire scenes before she decided to pull back from Bethenny was a win for Bethenny. As puzzled as Heather was by Bethenny's over the top negative reactions every time she tried to open a dialog with her, she was at least getting some feedback from Bethenny.

Poor Kristen is just lost because she wasn't getting even that. On one hand Bethenny appear to not give two fucks about her but wait a minute, she cares enough to talk smack about her behind her back. Which is it? As much as she likes to give off airs that she doesn't know of Kristen's existence, the way she goes out of her way to act that way means she is very very aware of Kristen. She planned on taking Kristen down by 1. Icing her out and 2. Using her in the same way she uses Heather, which is to be her victim. She watched Kristen last season, she'll find that Kristen hardly ever says a mean thing about people unless provoked. She is boring for this type of platform because of her innate goodness. That is my opinion of Kristen by the way.

Anyway back to the main point. Kristen and Bethenny are not doing anything to victimize Bethenny but to their bafflement, Bethenny acts that way regardless. If Heather walks past her, tells her her inability to stay the course of a planned trip is fine by her, Bethenny will find a way this innocuous, even supportive statement hurts her. Kristen sits next to her at a casino; Kristen is being a nag. She has to know that Bethenny wants to spend alone time in a freaking casino! Dumb ass Kristen. Approach her to clarify scheduling? What an insensitive jerkass. Water work ensue.

Bethenny must think us fools to not see through the con.

Amen 1000 times to this post! I feel like Bethenny and Andy are trying to gaslight me.

[KungFuBunny]

LOL you cold, cruel wabbit!  It is now obvious the chick has long standing box issues!  I would have issues, also.  Did you see dem boxes?  Ugly!  I thought a shoebox ( I mentioned box and now, somewhere in NY Kristen felt a cold chill run down her spine! lol) and some of that old adhesive contact paper would beat the $50 price tag.  

Then I remembered , many moons ago, my ex MIL and ex SIL wanted me to slap up flowery contact paper all over the kitchen and bathroom in my new house.  I had made the mistake of saying their kitchens and bathrooms looked nice that way (trying to be polite).   I have flowery contact paper issues, yanno!  lol

I did the SoundCloud and it worked great!  Thanks.

I catch other HW shows on the fly when they are on repeat.  I listen to RHOBH the next day after airing.  I like LisaV and Eileen. 

WWCL on RHOC...David, oh David, hey, David, David, umm, David, Oh, David...... hilarious!  I dated several guys named David then married.....yeah, a David but, thankfully he goes by his middle name!  

Somewhere, at night, in the deep darkness of sleep, Kristen is having nightmares of boxes!! and Shannon is roaming her house whispering, David, oh, David....... lol

PS Bethy not inviting Kristen to the cupcake event was a blessing.  Did you see the walls, lined with.....boxes!!

I just went on the 2nd street press website.

Can't tell how big those boxes are (uh oh Kristen just stood up at the nail salon and now she has eBoost orange on the sleeve of her shirt)

If they haven't sold well maybe she can re-purpose them into nail polish storage bins. She can trademark A Box Of Crap (uh oh now Kristen has eBoost orange on the back of her hand)

 

On the podcast for OC I cracked up on the David, David, David, oh David, David....too.

 

On NY, Sonja must be into human trafficking. She must have sold many interns to pay off that judgement. Did you notice the new intern has Pickles arms? Yes you need to keep old interns for parts. Computer number 3 is down.....Pickles, Pickles.

 

PS I will try never to mention flowery contact paper on this MB again...I do not want you to be sobbing on the floor next to your computer, you want your walls up, no paper, no paper, just walls, walls.

[ScoobieDoobs]

They film in a very condensed frame of time - maybe 4-5 months.

Editing is done all at once - they start once they have 3 months of footage to play with. And what they do is put each scene into files under each HW that appears. Each scene is rated...juicy, fluff, plus to use in episode or minus to be placed in fluff or lost footage file.

Behind the scenes editors are getting constant feedback from production of what they want each HW story arc to be and keep them updated on what they

want for each HW.

Editing is done in a condensed time period with the same mentality as they have for filming....you're not going hire editors or a film crew and say this week you work 40 hours next week you work 0 and we won't pay you and the week after we need you for 10 hours.

Once editing is completed as in they've gone through all of the footage...they may add back in some fluff scenes as filler...or if the show is so stinking boring they might make the HW film more hours...i.e. what they did with adding Jacqueline & Kathy since NJ had nothing (majority of their scenes if you saw any background - hardly any snow while all of the other scenes with the rest of the cast huge piles everywhere)

This is also what happenned on BH with what happenned with Russell. They were about to start airing BH when he took his life. Bravo delayed airing the show for a month to cut out most of his scenes and add some previously cut fluff events

 

None of this has anything to do with this ep, but I would like to know where the source for this specific information comes from.  I can't say I care much about these kinds of production details -- some of which may be right & some way off.  Bottom line is, I guess there is wiggle room to make changes as needed, maybe if storylines really prove unpopular & ratings flop badly.  

 

And to tie in back to this ep, Beth has promised in the Bravo blogs several times this will be the last time she's doing the crying fits.  So she must be aware viewers have mostly had enough of this shit.  I wonder if she did continue to cry her ass off for the rest of the season, but the edit monkeys merely cut the rest of her crying jags out after this ep.

Edited June 20, 2015 by ScoobieDoobs

[shoegal]

I don't know about Dorinda or Ramona but Bethenny came back with a plan, and that is to be the victim. She knows that being the underdog is a surefire way to gain back the goodwill she so damn it, she'll play the victim. Dorinda is promoting it in hindsight and Ramona needs little reason to bully Kristen ; She's been after the girl since her first season.

 

Bethenny wept over her past and current situation with characters who were in the know. They facilitated the narrative and moved her along. It was obvious scenes like those with the therapists and the stepfather were staged. She flipped out on him when her therapist appeared to have gone off script. She is not having anything that derail the self chosen narrative.

 

The problem for her with regard to Heather and Kristen is that they weren't clued in on what their role in "The B is Back" was going to be. Heather trying to make conversation with Bethenny leads to multiple breakdowns. Heather unknowingly gave her a few crumbs because of her natural persistent characteristic. The Birkshire scenes before she decided to pull back from Bethenny was a win for Bethenny. As puzzled as Heather was by Bethenny's over the top negative reactions every time she tried to open a dialog with her, she was at least getting some feedback from Bethenny.

 

Poor Kristen is just lost because she wasn't getting even that. On one hand Bethenny appear to not give two fucks about her but wait a minute, she cares enough to talk smack about her behind her back. Which is it? As much as she likes to give off airs that she doesn't know of Kristen's existence, the way she goes out of her way to act that way means she is very very aware of Kristen. She planned on taking Kristen down by 1. Icing her out and 2. Using her in the same way she uses Heather, which is to be her victim. She watched Kristen last season, she'll find that Kristen hardly ever says a mean thing about people unless provoked. She is boring for this type of platform because of her innate goodness. That is my opinion of Kristen by the way.

 

Anyway back to the main point.  Kristen and Bethenny are not doing anything to victimize Bethenny but to their bafflement, Bethenny acts that way regardless. If Heather walks past her, tells her her inability to stay the course of a planned trip is fine by her, Bethenny will find a way this innocuous, even supportive statement hurts her. Kristen sits next to her at a casino; Kristen is being a nag. She has to know that Bethenny wants to spend alone time in a freaking casino! Dumb ass Kristen. Approach her to clarify scheduling? What an insensitive jerkass. Water work ensue. 

 

Bethenny must think us fools to not see through the con.

I do agree that Bethenny went into this season with a plan. I think the plan was to hang out with the OG's and keep the new girls at arms length. When LuAnn called her out on this, it seems she rethought and at least made an effort to be more physically present, but still wanted the wall up. I think Heather is too much of a Mother Hen to let this happen, and she just kept pushing and pushing, climbing over the wall with meatballs until it forced the Berkshires meltdown. I think Kristen saw an opportunity to have an Aviva redux, where they all bitch and bond over Bethenny never being around, but it didn't work out the way she wanted. Especially since Dorinda and Carole are getting along with B and Bethenny is showing up now.

I'm interested to see how the season ends up, as it seems in T&C, everything is going to go upside down and sideways. I have no idea where everyone is going to end up.

[zoeysmom]

When Heather was on WWHL the other nite, a caller did ask if she & Bethenny are still not getting along by the end of the season.  She took a long pause & very haltingly said she didn't think she should say.  I wanna say she looked hesitantly at Satan Andy, who gave her a stink-eye to STFU & hold her tongue, but no, that didn't happen.  But that doesn't mean Heather wasn't already told previously by Satan Andy to STFU & not reveal such an important detail.  I suspect many viewers are wondering whether their "feud" is gonna continue on for the rest of season.  So I wouldn't blame Satan Andy for not wanting Heather to shoot her mouth off.

 

Still don't have a handle on what all the SkinnyGirl products are exactly.  I mentioned seeing at Marshall's, bags & bags & bags of marked down SG sea salt & peanut butter cookies, & then they vanished the next day.  My sis said she saw at TJ Maxx, bags & bags & bags of marked down SG dark chocolate banana oatmeal "nutritional bars" & then they were gone the next day.  Hmmmm.  OK, B seemed to think she was expert enough on distribution, to offer up her opinions to Sonja's . . . er, "team".  But I wonder what gives with her own rather funky-seeming distribution methods for SkinnyGirl?

Skinny Girl's first big product was obviously the pre-mixed margarita cocktail.  Here is a tasting panels comments on the alcoholic beverages produced by Skinny Girl:  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/18/skinnygirl-cocktails-taste-test_n_3085703.html  Even though it is one of those pain in the neck having to scroll through each picture some of the comments are very funny.    Then Bethenny ventured out into shapewear and nutrition bars.  Mostly what Skinny Girl consists of is lending her name to a product such as "diet" snacks, such as popcorn, pretzels and whole lot of stuff that seems to end up at Marshall's judging from the posts here, Hummus, Stevia Sweetner -  that apparently isn't used by the Essex Hotel.  Her big new partner seems to be Arizona Tea  https://www.drinkarizona.com/products  they make a lot of products.  Small cog big wheel.   Her other adventure seems to be flavors for at home soda machines.  I know she did a Skinny Girl make up line and it is no longer available.  So basically anyone Bethenny is approached by or Bethenny approaches can slap a Skinny Girl logo on it and Bethenny and Skinny Girl are in the sweetener, salad dressing, hummus, or even cigarette business.  She has tied her products to good distribution networks, Con-Agra and Arizona Tea are great at what they do but the public has to want to come back and buy more.

[imjagain]

I do agree that Bethenny went into this season with a plan. I think the plan was to hang out with the OG's and keep the new girls at arms length. When LuAnn called her out on this, it seems she rethought and at least made an effort to be more physically present, but still wanted the wall up. I think Heather is too much of a Mother Hen to let this happen, and she just kept pushing and pushing, climbing over the wall with meatballs until it forced the Berkshires meltdown. I think Kristen saw an opportunity to have an Aviva redux, where they all bitch and bond over Bethenny never being around, but it didn't work out the way she wanted. Especially since Dorinda and Carole are getting along with B and Bethenny is showing up now.

I'm interested to see how the season ends up, as it seems in T&C, everything is going to go upside down and sideways. I have no idea where everyone is going to end up.

Met my husband for lunch yesterday wasn't that hungry just ordered a spinach salad, husband asked aren't you getting anything else? I said no, I'm not that hungry. He said well at least share some meatballs with me, I busted out laughing.

I do agree with some of your post. I might not be Beth's biggest fan but I don't think she stupid. She definitely went in with a plan.

I also can't wait to see if T&C changes things. I hope so because I'm tired of the same arguments.

The good thing about these last couple episodes is that Ramona is back on my radar.

[ScoobieDoobs]

I think Heather is too much of a Mother Hen to let this happen, and she just kept pushing and pushing, climbing over the wall with meatballs until it forced the Berkshires meltdown.

 

But that is her legitimate personality trait.  Makes me wonder if this was a calculated strategy by Heather to push herself on Bethenny.  I'm not sure.  Could be.  

 

I still think Bethenny's shit about "wanting the walls up" is one of the looniest things I've ever actually heard anyone say in one of these dopey Housewives shows.  If I heard someone say that in real life, I'd think they have serious mental health issues, which need to be addressed immediately.  And I'd be concerned if such a person was responsible for small children.  Bethenny really wants to put this incredibly unstable image out there?  Really?  Is this ultimately good for her SkinnyGirl empire?  Maybe not.  Will it garner sympathy for her divorce case?  Me doubts it.

Edited June 20, 2015 by ScoobieDoobs

[shoegal]

I still think Bethenny's shit about "wanting the walls up" is one of the looniest things I've ever actually heard anyone say in one of these dopey Housewives shows.  If I heard someone say that in real life, I'd think they have serious mental health issues, which need to be addressed immediately.

Really? I'm gonna go with P. Diddy on my yacht and I party with Madonna and John John.

[Crikey]

I just went on the 2nd street press website.

Can't tell how big those boxes are (uh oh Kristen just stood up at the nail salon and now she has eBoost orange on the sleeve of her shirt)

If they haven't sold well maybe she can re-purpose them into nail polish storage bins. She can trademark A Box Of Crap (uh oh now Kristen has eBoost orange on the back of her hand)

 

On the podcast for OC I cracked up on the David, David, David, oh David, David....too.

 

On NY, Sonja must be into human trafficking. She must have sold many interns to pay off that judgement. Did you notice the new intern has Pickles arms? Yes you need to keep old interns for parts. Computer number 3 is down.....Pickles, Pickles.

 

PS I will try never to mention flowery contact paper on this MB again...I do not want you to be sobbing on the floor next to your computer, you want your walls up, no paper, no paper, just walls, walls.

LOL

Pickles!

Thank you for honoring my walls and my wishes to not take notice of my issues......which reminds me my next therapy session is due to be downloaded on YouTube any day now.  Only my closest friends (and the few folks who have access to Youtube) know about my issues ;)

 

I imagine the HW's in 30-40 years, on the RHORH    The Real Housewives of Retirement Home show.

 

Kristen:  OMG I wish Pop of Color and eBoost had made more money because this little BOX!! of a room is all I can afford.  I used to feel I was being BOXED out now I feel BOXED in.

 

Sonja:  Pickles, oh, Pickles can you come and bring my toolbox, and the three broken walkers I have downstairs.  I think I can take them apart and make one functioning walker from all three.  Puff Daddy and John John are expecting me on my yacht.  Pickles!!

 

Heather:  (Or as the inmates....errr...residents call her, Nurse Ratched)  OK, Mamas, who needs fixin'?  

 

Lu:  Darling's come and see my new line of canes on Evine.  

 

Ramoaner:  Nurse!  Oh, Nurse didn't they tell you, I always share a room with Sonja on these trips.  What do you mean, it is not a trip?  Permanent?   At least tell me we are in the Hamptons and not the Berkshires.  Where is my Pinot IV drip?  

 

Carole:  Nurse can you book me an Uber driver, I want to go to Forever 21+21+21+21

 

Bethy:  Nurse, who took down all the cameras I had installed in my room?  I am a reality stahhhhhhh, you know!  No, I am not going to the lunchroom, they are still refusing to serve SkinnyGirl Seaweed Raisin Sea Salt chips and, besides that, I cannot be away from my daughter for that long!  If I do then I will just roll out of my wheelchair and be on the floor, sobbing.  If I need to sob, can you at least bring me some of my SkinnyGirl Artificial Tears, thanks.

 

Dorinda:  Hey, Nurses quit grinding on my man!  For some reason now I have a craving for a sandwich.  Hannah, are those little furry critters living on your face or just the latest eyebrow fad?

 

Andy:  And the Jackhole Award goes to.....me!

[ScoobieDoobs]

Really? I'm gonna go with P. Diddy on my yacht and I party with Madonna and John John.

 

Well, the woman does leave all her windows open in the NYC hot humid shit, so I do expect (and now demand) lunacy from her.  Btw, is it just me who hates these broads talkin' crap about Sonja every chance they get?  That intervention nonsense was all kinds of wrong -- and yet hilariously hypocritical for each & every one of 'em.

[SFoster21]

Really? I'm gonna go with P. Diddy on my yacht and I party with Madonna and John John.

I watch most of these shows and that is by no means close to the loony things said and done. You want to compartmentalize your feelings about your situation with your child and not discuss them with strangers. Hardly a "mental health issue"; if anything, not wanting to be triggered is mentally healthy. Can't imagine Sonja or Ramona or Aviva to be ideal parents, but what has one to do with the other. Joan Rivers was an acerbic personality, but her child and grandchild loved her.

And as to "shouldn't be on the show": I'm glad for some reality. Bethenny is ok with me and not because I have been conned into thinking she's a victim.

[KungFuBunny]

LOL

Pickles!

Thank you for honoring my walls and my wishes to not take notice of my issues......which reminds me my next therapy session is due to be downloaded on YouTube any day now.  Only my closest friends (and the few folks who have access to Youtube) know about my issues ;)

 

I imagine the HW's in 30-40 years, on the RHORH    The Real Housewives of Retirement Home show.

 

Kristen:  OMG I wish Pop of Color and eBoost had made more money because this little BOX!! of a room is all I can afford.  I used to feel I was being BOXED out now I feel BOXED in.

 

Sonja:  Pickles, oh, Pickles can you come and bring my toolbox, and the three broken walkers I have downstairs.  I think I can take them apart and make one functioning walker from all three.  Puff Daddy and John John are expecting me on my yacht.  Pickles!!

 

Heather:  (Or as the inmates....errr...residents call her, Nurse Ratched)  OK, Mamas, who needs fixin'?  

 

Lu:  Darling's come and see my new line of canes on Evine.  

 

Ramoaner:  Nurse!  Oh, Nurse didn't they tell you, I always share a room with Sonja on these trips.  What do you mean, it is not a trip?  Permanent?   At least tell me we are in the Hamptons and not the Berkshires.  Where is my Pinot IV drip?  

 

Carole:  Nurse can you book me an Uber driver, I want to go to Forever 21+21+21+21

 

Bethy:  Nurse, who took down all the cameras I had installed in my room?  I am a reality stahhhhhhh, you know!  No, I am not going to the lunchroom, they are still refusing to serve SkinnyGirl Seaweed Raisin Sea Salt chips and, besides that, I cannot be away from my daughter for that long!  If I do then I will just roll out of my wheelchair and be on the floor, sobbing.  If I need to sob, can you at least bring me some of my SkinnyGirl Artificial Tears, thanks.

 

Dorinda:  Hey, Nurses quit grinding on my man!  For some reason now I have a craving for a sandwich.  Hannah, are those little furry critters living on your face or just the latest eyebrow fad?

 

Andy:  And the Jackhole Award goes to.....me!

ROFL!!!!!! Love your post

 

Speaking of YouTube...I typed in Kristen..poor thing has 2 videos of her Nail Polish launch from 3 weeks ago. You know how you can see how many "views" a video has? She has 29 views...I'm trying to help you girl, now she has 30 views. One video she is being interviewed standing in front of shelves (don't worry you can watch no paper just glass shelves) of nail polish (but not her line - Ricky's private label. Not even the picture they took of her for the campaign is in sight. She is asked where can these be bought....answer Ricky's NYC stores, Ricky's website and POC Beauty website...she has to say POC because there is already a Pop Of Colour Beauty website.

 

Hannah's response to Dorinda above...no Door In Mah..I was cleanin out yaw closet and brushed up against that fur you gawt as a Kindergahten prezent. Must have snagged me when I backed out. PS I think Dorinda should have an aversion to sammiches and cries whenever they serve them for lunch...but she can't remember why.

 

Can we add Shannon to this home? She can be seen/heard wandering the halls...David, David, David, David, David

[AnnA]

 I think Heather is too much of a Mother Hen to let this happen, and she just kept pushing and pushing, climbing over the wall with meatballs until it forced the Berkshires meltdown. 

I'm interested to see how the season ends up, as it seems in T&C, everything is going to go upside down and sideways. I have no idea where everyone is going to end up.

 

But that is her legitimate personality trait.  Makes me wonder if this was a calculated strategy by Heather to push herself on Bethenny.  I'm not sure.  Could be.  

 

I see Heather as more of a Type A personality than a Mother Hen.  Heather and Bethenny share that trait.  Right now it's been a problem but if they manage to get over it and become friends, they'd be quite a powerful team.  Personally, I'd love to see that happen.  I've always liked Bethenny and have no reason to dislike Heather. 

[Grneyedldy]

Well, the woman does leave all her windows open in the NYC hot humid shit, so I do expect (and now demand) lunacy from her.  Btw, is it just me who hates these broads talkin' crap about Sonja every chance they get?  That intervention nonsense was all kinds of wrong -- and yet hilariously hypocritical for each & every one of 'em.

I can personally say that if I worked with someone that was delusional and falling down drunk, there ain't no doubt in my mind that I would be discussing it with fellow co-workers out of concern. :-)

[ScoobieDoobs]

Hardly a "mental health issue";

 

Crying at length -- randomly, spontaneously & often, publicly & at work? I'd suspect there were serious problems going on if someone working with or for me did this.  But maybe that's just me.  Silly ole me.

Edited June 20, 2015 by ScoobieDoobs

[ryebread]

Crying at length -- randomly, spontaneously & often, publicly & at work? I'd suspect there were serious problems going on if someone working with or for me did this.  But maybe that's just me.  Silly ole me.

 

There are so many things I dislike about Bethenny.  But her tears aren't one of them.  I don't think she's faking them either.  Raise your hand if you're a perimenopausal woman with loads of personal and business stressors and tell me you don't sometimes feel like you could cry at the drop of a hat.

 

We have some friends going through some serious stuff right now and I cry at the mention of his name.  Or if I think too hard about him/them.  I love him a lot but not as much Beth loves Bryn.  And my personal life is pretty sweet compared to Beth's. Nor do I feel like people are waiting to take the piss out of me. But am I a big ol' crybaby right now?  Yup. So it doesn't surprise me she's a mess.  A hypocritical, overbearing, prickly mess.

Edited June 20, 2015 by ryebread

[AnnaMayWong]

I don't understand. What does loving Bryn have to do with anything. No one has perpetuated any grievance against her.

[ryebread]

I don't understand. What does loving Bryn have to do with anything. No one has perpetuated any grievance against her.

 

Beth loves Bryn and she's emotional because she has to be away from her.  I love my friend but probably not as deeply as Beth loves Bryn.  Yet I'm gutted when I think about my friend and his family's situation.  So what I'm saying is:  if *I* feel this emotional about my friend, I believe Beth (even as cold as I sometimes find her) is absolutely on the edge about being away from her daughter and all the other things she has going on.

[SFoster21]

I don't understand. What does loving Bryn have to do with anything. No one has perpetuated any grievance against her.

Loving Bryn has to do with crying. I haven't heard B even discuss the crying, as in "Heather made me cry,"; she is triggered to tears because she wanted to make a more coherent life for her daughter than she has had and she is aware of that failure.

It is, of course, possible to argue that she is overreacting and so forth ("famewhore," "loony," friends with "Satan") but I don't see it that way.

[ryebread]

Nevermind.

Edited June 20, 2015 by ryebread

[howivesforever]

Loving Bryn has to do with crying. I haven't heard B even discuss the crying, as in "Heather made me cry,"; she is triggered to tears because she wanted to make a more coherent life for her daughter than she has had and she is aware of that failure.

It is, of course, possible to argue that she is overreacting and so forth ("famewhore," "loony," friends with "Satan") but I don't see it that way.

The problem with all her crying and hysterics is Bethenny did this to herself. I have no problem with her wanting a divorce. If it was an unhappy marriage it was for the best. The way Bethenny went about serving the divorce papers and so forth is was caused the drama that insued. She should have thought about Bryn and handled the divorce differently. Had she tried to be respectful and amicable and her and Jason actually talked privately instead of trying to bulldoze Jason into submission all parties would have been happier and Bryn wouldn't be able to Google her parents when she's older and read about all the horrible things they've done to each other. She gets no sympathy from me.

[SFoster21]

Did she ask you for it? I mean... Bethenny has spoken of it on the show because it is her reality. I'm not offended or put off or concluding that she is loony when she cries. I understand the behavior and I don't feel importuned to share her pain. I'm conscious of it. It's not my place to tell her how she should feel. And she doesn't have a button at the bottom asking me to contribute to her, so how is she asking for sympathy?

She cries because she knows that her own defects have led her here, just as we should all "seek the flaw in ourselves." In my opinion.

[FozzyBear]

While I get why the other HW might be frustrated if Bethanny is getting more freedom with her filming schedule than they are, they need to be mad at production about it. I learned a long time ago that if I have an issue with how my boss is treating a co-worker then I have an issue with my boss, not my co-worker.

[Celia Rubenstein]

I don't know about Dorinda or Ramona but Bethenny came back with a plan, and that is to be the victim. She knows that being the underdog is a surefire way to gain back the goodwill she so damn it, she'll play the victim. Dorinda is promoting it in hindsight and Ramona needs little reason to bully Kristen ; She's been after the girl since her first season.

 

Bethenny wept over her past and current situation with characters who were in the know. They facilitated the narrative and moved her along. It was obvious scenes like those with the therapists and the stepfather were staged. She flipped out on him when her therapist appeared to have gone off script. She is not having anything that derail the self chosen narrative.

 

The problem for her with regard to Heather and Kristen is that they weren't clued in on what their role in "The B is Back" was going to be. Heather trying to make conversation with Bethenny leads to multiple breakdowns. Heather unknowingly gave her a few crumbs because of her natural persistent characteristic. The Birkshire scenes before she decided to pull back from Bethenny was a win for Bethenny. As puzzled as Heather was by Bethenny's over the top negative reactions every time she tried to open a dialog with her, she was at least getting some feedback from Bethenny.

 

Poor Kristen is just lost because she wasn't getting even that. On one hand Bethenny appear to not give two fucks about her but wait a minute, she cares enough to talk smack about her behind her back. Which is it? As much as she likes to give off airs that she doesn't know of Kristen's existence, the way she goes out of her way to act that way means she is very very aware of Kristen. She planned on taking Kristen down by 1. Icing her out and 2. Using her in the same way she uses Heather, which is to be her victim. Had she watched Kristen last season, she'll find that Kristen hardly ever says a mean thing about people unless provoked. She is boring for this type of platform because of her innate goodness. That is my opinion of Kristen by the way.

 

Anyway back to the main point.  Kristen and Bethenny are not doing anything to victimize Bethenny but to their bafflement, Bethenny acts that way regardless. If Heather walks past her, tells her her inability to stay the course of a planned trip is fine by her, Bethenny will find a way this innocuous, even supportive statement hurts her. Kristen sits next to her at a casino; Kristen is being a nag. She has to know that Bethenny wants to spend alone time in a freaking casino! Dumb ass Kristen. Approach her to clarify scheduling? What an insensitive jerkass. Water work ensue. 

 

Bethenny must think us fools to not see through the con.

 

I think Bethenny returned to the show to be back on the public radar so she could promote the Skinny Girl brand, but I don't think she ever schemed to come off as a "victim."  While she was popular as an underdog originally on the show, those days are way in the past.  She is a rich, successful business woman now and the sad sack flag is not one I think she would voluntarily choose to fly.  To the extent that she has talked about not having a permanent home and the cried some over pain she feels having to be away from her daughter ... that is just the reality of her life.  I don't see it as a Machiavellian plot to characterize herself as anybody's victim any more than when any other person on the show mentions something negative about their life.  Otherwise, Sonja is the Old Man's victim, Kristen and Heather are Bethenny's victims,  Dorinda is John and Hannah's victim, and Ramona is Mario's victim.  The show is literally filled with victims. 

 

I think to look at this season as a masterful plot by Bethenny to gain sympathy is to credit her with a level of precognition that is quite unlikely.  How could she have known Heather would be on her like white rice? That seems to be where much of the idea she is playing the victim is coming from, but she had no way to know Heather would behave the way she has.  

 

And I don't understand how supposedly icing Kristin out furthers Beth's plot to play the victim.  If failing to befriend Kristin was meant to provoke Kristin to attack her, well ... it hasn't really worked.  The most Kristin has really done is try to force a conversation about Bethenny supposedly calling her dumb.  But if Bethenny's plan was to make herself look like Kristin's victim, why did she refuse to engage and just walk away?  There was certainly the potential for Bethenny to sit there and be "abused" by Kristin ... how come she didn't milk it for all it was worth?  She didn't even try to defend herself, which I think would have been of great value in making her look like the wronged party.

 

I don't think the therapy sessions or the visit to her stepfather was only aimed at making her out to be a victim.  The visit with John Parisella was .... well, interesting.  It did a lot to bring her story full circle.  I know I have wondered what these adults who raised her were like and the scene had value to me aside from being purely intended to characterize Bethenny as a sympathetic figure.  It is, after all, the reality of her early life.  I liked the little peak at why she turned out to be the way she is.   I'd have loved to see a similar scene between Ramona and her father!  And I enjoyed seeing Luans's mother when she appeared on the show.  Seeing who raised these women is interesting because you can sort of see how they got to be who they are.

 

The therapy sessions ... I am at a loss to explain their purpose.  If they are meant to make Bethenny appear sympathetic, someone is guilty of a wild miscalculation.  There is nothing being said that makes her sympathetic at all that I can see.  She just appears resistant and not really interested in "working" her issues.  I would think if she intended those scenes to make her out to be a "victim" she would play it very differently.  She totally refuses to go to a place that would garner her the sympathy she supposedly wants, which makes no sense if getting sympathy is her goal. 

 

I don't think there is really any attempt to con anyone going on.  Just some bad decisions made by producers and editors who are choosing to highlight a narrow set of issues  belonging to one character to the point that she is becoming tiresome, while choosing to ignore far more interesting parts of her life. 

[film noire]

The problem with all her crying and hysterics is Bethenny did this to herself.

 

I just don't see how it's possible that she "did it to herself", as there's not a single relationship expert, psychologist, divorce lawyer, mediator (or child) who believes that an ugly divorce is always and only one partner's fault  (exception being exes who are sexual predators, physically /emotionally abusive, etc) no matter who filed first/in what way/who did what next. etc.  Jason is not an innocent --  he is also responsible for every inch of road this divorce created -- so this is something Bethenny  AND Jason brought on themselves (and more importantly, that little girl).

 

 

While I get why the other HW might be frustrated if Bethanny is getting more freedom with her filming schedule than they are, they need to be mad at production about it

 

 

Yes -- so dumb for them to play bitchy about this shit -- Bethenny is the center of the show this year, and all the women have had at least one interesting (single or group) scene with Bethenny (except Heather and Kristin -- surely two of the most foolish egotists the franchise has ever seen, to not adjust, go with the flow and move on). And I don't think Heather expected Bethenny and Carole to hit it off -- she figured Carole would stay firmly in her pocket, alone -- and that's also something driving Heather's animosity to Bethenny, imo, that's not being fully shown.

Edited June 20, 2015 by film noire

[howivesforever]

I just don't see how it's possible that she "did it to herself", as there's not a single relationship expert, psychologist, divorce lawyer, mediator (or child) who believes that an ugly divorce is always and only one partner's fault (exception being exes who are sexual predators, physically /emotionally abusive) no matter who filed first/in what way/who did what next. etc. Jason is not an innocent -- he is equally responsible for every inch of every road this divorce created -- so this is something Bethenny AND Jason brought on themselves (and more importantly, that little girl.

I agree the break down of the marriage takes two people, but my opinion still stands that she brought all the ugliness that's happening in the divorce on herself. IMO she should have thought about her child first and went about how she served Jason the divorce papers and everything there after differently. Edited June 20, 2015 by howivesforever

[WireWrap]

 Heather and Kristin -- surely two of the most foolish egotists the franchise has ever seen, to not adjust, go with the flow and move on). And I don't think Heather expected Bethenny and Carole to hit it off -- she figured Carole would stay firmly in her pocket, alone -- and that's also something driving Heather's animosity to Bethenny, imo, that's not being fully shown.

IMO, the egotist's would be #1, Bethenny and #2, Ramona! Heather had no "animosity" towards Bethenny until Bethenny treated her like crap, same with Kristen. JMO

[zoeysmom]

Loving Bryn has to do with crying. I haven't heard B even discuss the crying, as in "Heather made me cry,"; she is triggered to tears because she wanted to make a more coherent life for her daughter than she has had and she is aware of that failure.

It is, of course, possible to argue that she is overreacting and so forth ("famewhore," "loony," friends with "Satan") but I don't see it that way.

Oh I hope she doesn't think she has failed but you have probably expressed the reason for her tears more eloquently than most.  .  Things may not have worked out the way she wanted but she isn't a failure in the parenting deaprtment.  Perhaps admitting that she has to have a partner in raising Bryn for the rest of her life is what Bethenny feared and it is not something she has the power to change..

[sasha206]

The problem with all her crying and hysterics is Bethenny did this to herself. I have no problem with her wanting a divorce. If it was an unhappy marriage it was for the best. The way Bethenny went about serving the divorce papers and so forth is was caused the drama that insued. She should have thought about Bryn and handled the divorce differently. Had she tried to be respectful and amicable and her and Jason actually talked privately instead of trying to bulldoze Jason into submission all parties would have been happier and Bryn wouldn't be able to Google her parents when she's older and read about all the horrible things they've done to each other. She gets no sympathy from me.

 

That's what I'm having a hard time with.

 

Custody has already been settled right?  So the rest of the divorce comes down to cash.  Pay the man off and be done with it.  Get over the fact that you built this empire that he has now demanded a part of.  Wealthy men have been paying out the ass in a divorce settlement for years and no one is sympathetic over their plight.

 

I feel sorry for anyone that has to be away from their young child.  It's great that she is a caring mother unlike her own.  But the rest is an unhealthy dynamic that seems really unnecessary.  She's probably wracking up more in legal fees than she would if she just paid him off.

Edited June 20, 2015 by sasha206

[KungFuBunny]

While I get why the other HW might be frustrated if Bethanny is getting more freedom with her filming schedule than they are, they need to be mad at production about it. I learned a long time ago that if I have an issue with how my boss is treating a co-worker then I have an issue with my boss, not my co-worker.

 

So true.

 

All of the HW's in this years cast, with the exception of Dorinda, have been on the Reality Rodeo for several seasons. They must be aware of producer manipulations and machinations. I often wonder if production has wardrobe/hair and makeup/stylist whispering things to the HW's - I heard so and so said this about you. Also wonder if they make the ladies wait to film siting some camera/sound delay and offer them alcohol. Fast forward to filming the scene, one will be smashed, one may harbor resentment towards another HW cause they just heard a rumor, and all are bitchy because they've been sitting for an hour waiting to film....instant drama caught on camera

[AnnaMayWong]

Heather and Kristen=GREATEST egos?

Uh, no, not with: 1.Jill. the most " Unsophisticated Sophisticate" ever. 2. Kelly. "the dastardly DUH-er" 3.Ramona. "the Plastered Social-lite" 4.THE Countless, "dahling" 4. Sonja "lived the life" Morgan.

5. "Trying, Troubled, Termagant "Bethenny

Edited June 20, 2015 by BookElitist

[SFoster21]

That's what I'm having a hard time with.

Custody has already been settled right? So the rest of the divorce comes down to cash. Pay the man off and be done with it. Get over the fact that you built this empire that he has now demanded a part of. Wealthy en have been paying out the ass in a divorce settlement for years and no one is sympathetic over their plight.

I feel sorry for anyone that has to be away from their young child. It's great that she is a caring mother unlike her own. But the rest is an unhealthy dynamic that seems really unnecessary. She's probably wracking up more in legal fees than she would if she just paid him off.

Maybe. But we don't know one way or the other. I handled divorces in my time and I know that lawsuits that are in the public eye are utilized for means other than money. People who sue do it because they like suing, I have found. Most normal people don't have the stomach. Someone wants to hurt and embarrass someone else.

Is it costing her more in fees? No doubt, because she is allegedly paying a great many of the fees. Without specific facts, I can't say. But I suspect that B is not the recalicitrant party.

[ScoobieDoobs]

There are so many things I dislike about Bethenny.  But her tears aren't one of them.  I don't think she's faking them either.  Raise your hand if you're a perimenopausal woman with loads of personal and business stressors and tell me you don't sometimes feel like you could cry at the drop of a hat.

We have some friends going through some serious stuff right now and I cry at the mention of his name.  Or if I think too hard about him/them.  I love him a lot but not as much Beth loves Bryn.  And my personal life is pretty sweet compared to Beth's. Nor do I feel like people are waiting to take the piss out of me. But am I a big ol' crybaby right now?  Yup. So it doesn't surprise me she's a mess.  A hypocritical, overbearing, prickly mess.

 

You bring up a good point about menopause crying, but that's not what's going on here with Bethenny.  The thing is, I do have sympathy for her situation.  A ton of sympathy.  Who wouldn't?   She cares immensely for her daughter & wants to be with her as much as she can.  That's great. 

 

Idk, maybe it's not the actual crying that's rubbing me the wrong way & turning me off.  It's the timing.  In front of the cameras -- and seemingly non-stop & publicly in front of this group.  It seems extremely manipulative to me.  It strikes as a very purposeful strategy by Bethenny (and maybe Satan Andy too) to grab as much sympathy as she can from viewers & other cast members.  This strategy seems to be backfiring on her.  

 

The other cast members mostly seem tired of her crying jags, are uncomfortable with her or are baffled how to interact with her at this point.  Given that ratings are significantly lower this week, I'd bet the crying is turning off viewers too.  So her crying is actually getting the opposite of what she likely intended.  And that's why she's probably broadcasting loud & clear the crying will cease -- whether this is her idea or Satan Andy's.

 

And getting back to menopause crying or any kind of crying -- would you do this at work -- non-stop, at the drop of a dime & in front of co-workers?  Well, I wouldn't recommend it.  Is Bethenny doing this in her SkinnyGirl meetings, while she's putting together million dollar deals for new shit, which will eventually be dumped in TJ Maxx & Marshall's?  Me doubts it.  Her crying is bullshit cuz of the timing.  It can be extremely confusing because the basis for her crying is legitimate & real.  Me?  I'm not at all confused by the bullshit Bethenny is throwing around on the show..  Seems crystal clear to me her crying jags on the show are well-timed manipulative nonsense.

[sasha206]

Maybe. But we don't know one way or the other. I handled divorces in my time and I know that lawsuits that are in the public eye are utilized for means other than money. People who sue do it because they like suing, I have found. Most normal people don't have the stomach. Someone wants to hurt and embarrass someone else.

Is it costing her more in fees? No doubt, because she is allegedly paying a great many of the fees. Without specific facts, I can't say. But I suspect that B is not the recalicitrant party.

 

True we don't know.

 

I hope she finds peace in her life, whatever that involves.

[AnnA]

[SFoster21]

You bring up a good point about menopause crying, but that's not what's going on here with Bethenny. The thing is, I do have sympathy for her situation. A ton of sympathy. Who wouldn't? She cares immensely for her daughter & wants to be with her as much as she can. That's great.

Idk, maybe it's not the actual crying that's rubbing me the wrong way & turning me off. It's the timing. In front of the cameras -- and seemingly non-stop & publicly in front of this group. It seems extremely manipulative to me. It strikes as a very purposeful strategy by Bethenny (and maybe Satan Andy too) to grab as much sympathy as she can from viewers & other cast members. This strategy seems to be backfiring on her.

The other cast members mostly seem tired of her crying jags, are uncomfortable with her or are baffled how to interact with her at this point. Given that ratings are significantly lower this week, I'd bet the crying is turning off viewers too. So her crying is actually getting the opposite of what she likely intended. And that's why she's probably broadcasting loud & clear the crying will cease -- whether this is her idea or Satan Andy's.

And getting back to menopause crying or any kind of crying -- would you do this at work -- non-stop, at the drop of a dime & in front of co-workers? Well, I wouldn't recommend it. Is Bethenny doing this in her SkinnyGirl meetings, while she's putting together million dollar deals for new shit, which will eventually be dumped in TJ Maxx & Marshall's? Me doubts it. Her crying is bullshit cuz of the timing. It can be extremely confusing because the basis for her crying is legitimate & real. Me? I'm not at all confused by the bullshit Bethenny is throwing around on the show.. Seems crystal clear to me her crying jags on the show are well-timed manipulative nonsense.

Well, her "work" consists of being filmed in a "social" setting with "friends." If we are going to be meta to the extent of characterizing her interactions with the other housewives as "workplace" behavior, we're not going to have any fun at all!

And since "camera-ready" is what that work demands, the B is delivering!