S07.E10: Pop Of Crazy

[SFoster21]

That does not negate the fact that Bethenny knew what she was getting into when she rejoined the show. She is not some babe in the woods being thrown to the Bravo/production/other HW wolves, she is a veteran of these shows and she is the 1 that signed her name on the contract. OR will she claim that Andy "forced" her into returning to the show in a couple of years? LOL

Is that so? I've heard she had a sweetheart deal with special clauses exempting her from things, that she was getting a sympathy edit, that her contract must include Skinnygirl placement and so on.

Not privy to her contract, myself.

[Trooper York]

I think a key question is are the women equals or are some pigs more equal than others.

 

We all know how the world works. The stars get more perks and can do what they want and the cannon fodder has to do what they are told or they will be dropped. It is obvious that Bethenny has a special deal. I don't know the details. You don't know the details. We might not ever know the facts. We can only go by what we see on the TV.

 

Kristen is right to stand up for herself. I just think she is this years Alex or Aviva. A foil for the more "popular" chicks Bethenny and Ramona. This is most likely her swan song. So like the swans at Lisa Vanderpumps house she needs to bite a bitch. Just sayn'
 

[SFoster21]

Nothing extra textual is obvious to me. Sorry. Can't conclusively state even the broad strokes of her contract from the text presented.

[AnnA]

As far as the ratings are concerned, we haven't seen the expanded numbers that the network gets. They get the "live" numbers which Nielsen routinely releases to the public. Those numbers still carry weight but they've been getting pressure to revamp their outdated system. The networks get "live plus 3 day" as well as "live plus 7 day" numbers. They include both On Demand and DVR. Bravo also factors in how many online viewers hit their website.

Based on the number of commercials we get each week, the numbers have to be good enough to attract all those advertisers.

Edited June 16, 2015 by AnnA

[Deputy Deputy CoS]

 

Which is why the other girls need to shut the fuck up about her attending/not attending stuff. Of course she is eventually going to come to most of the shit. No, not some of the smaller stuff. Probably not things that Heather or Kristen did maybe, but she is going to go to most of the big stuff. Is there anyone out there that would actually believe she wouldn't attend the big group trip? Really? We all know she will and they all know she will. By bitching about it, or yes, even mentioning it at this point, she gets the opportunity to become the victim.

 

This all day long. 

 

The victim story is carefully crafted for her. If you think back on the times they've mentioned her not attending events, you'd notice they were prompted. Kristen didn't go to talking her head and decide to talk about why Bethenny missed the boxing match. She didn't even care during the "live" even. Carole mentioned something in passing and the conversation moved along.

 

I am sure there are other times, but this is the particular time I can remember a cast member specifically talking about Bethenny's absence. Luann's "concern" was another prompt as was the conversation at the Birkshires.

[snowblossom2]

When Kristen was on Brandi Glanville's Podcast, Kristen and Brandi were talking about Bethenny and the fact that Josh and Bethenny knew each other. Then Brandi said they use to date. Which as much as I dislike Brandi it would seem like an odd thing for Brandi to lie about. http://podcastone.com/pg/jsp/program/episode.jsp?programID=582&pid=505132

Do you watch RHOBH? Brandi lies and/or embellishes everything. I don't believe a. Word out of her mouth

[bagger]

I am saying I do not believe that Bethenny expected to be criticized by the other women for not attending every event. Surely she knew that she would interact with the ladies and film scenes, and take the group trips, which she did, but that it wouldn't be an issue of she missed some events, like a boxing match.

I don't care what Bethenny misses or doesn't, good for her that she negotiated such a great contract for herself. The other ladies need to stop making it an issue and make their own appearances count. In their place I wouldn't devote a second to discussing Bethenny, giving her even more time on "our" show. Do what other high performers do in their every day life, if someone is outshining you at work, you put more effort into your job, outshine them. At this point in the filming not a one of them could have with any certainty said that B's return would keep them out of the limelight but they could have taken an educated guess. Hhhm an old fan favorite, a Bravo darling and Andy's good friend is returning to the show, maybe they should have stepped up their game.

[bagger]

I can't blame the other women. If Beth is being paid as much as is being reported, I might be a little peeved that the Queen of Bravo can pick and choose what she takes part in. While they have to make things fit in their schedule for their job, like everyone else.

 

This is the entertainment industry, the person that's wanted more on the show, who has the highest profile will be paid more. That same person will negotiate the more convenient working conditions for themselves. I can see the other women being ticked that Bravo negotiated that contract but that isn't Bethenny's problem. Why be "upset" with that person, why not become more desirable to Bravo and when the time comes to renegotiate with Bravo play hard ball.

 

so many people, in this case viewers are so upset that Bethenny negotiated a better contract than the others that there is no way she can redeem herself in those eyes.

[imjagain]

This is the entertainment industry, the person that's wanted more on the show, who has the highest profile will be paid more. That same person will negotiate the more convenient working conditions for themselves. I can see the other women being ticked that Bravo negotiated that contract but that isn't Bethenny's problem. Why be "upset" with that person, why not become more desirable to Bravo and when the time comes to renegotiate with Bravo play hard ball.

so many people, in this case viewers are so upset that Bethenny negotiated a better contract than the others that there is no way she can redeem herself in those eyes.

I'm not.

I'm tired of Beth's crying storyline and I just think she's pretty rude and nasty for no reason.

I agree the the other women's real problem is with Bravo not Beth wrt her contract, and I said that in an earlier post.

Saying that I'm sure it's easy to be pissed at Beth, she's not exactly friendly or welcoming to some of the women, sometimes humans react to people who treat them like nothings. And imo that is how Beth has treated Kristen.

Edited June 16, 2015 by imjagain

[bagger]

I'm not.

I'm tired of Beth's crying storyline and I just think she's pretty rude and nasty for no reason.

I agree the the other women's real problem is with Bravo not Beth wrt her contract, and I said that in an earlier post.

Saying that I'm sure it's easy to be pissed at Beth, she's not exactly friendly or welcoming to some of the women, sometimes humans react to people who treat them like nothings. And imo that is how Beth has treated Kristen.

I think everyone is tired of Bethenny's crying, I think Bethenny is tired of Bethenny's crying but I don't think she's been rude to begin with with any of them. She got rude with Heather when Heather stuck her nose into Bethenny's interactions with Ramona and Kristen (or lack thereof). She got rude with Kristen when Kristen attempted to confront her at a party about something that Bethenny may or many not have said. I myself like how Bethenny expressed it, she saw Kristen standing their loading her figurative gun, why stay around to get shot?

[motorcitymom65]

I don't care what Bethenny misses or doesn't, good for her that she negotiated such a great contract for herself. The other ladies need to stop making it an issue and make their own appearances count. In their place I wouldn't devote a second to discussing Bethenny, giving her even more time on "our" show. Do what other high performers do in their every day life, if someone is outshining you at work, you put more effort into your job, outshine them. At this point in the filming not a one of them could have with any certainty said that B's return would keep them out of the limelight but they could have taken an educated guess. Hhhm an old fan favorite, a Bravo darling and Andy's good friend is returning to the show, maybe they should have stepped up their game.

I don't blame them for being unhappy about it, anymore than I am unhappy about it. I would certainly love to see a more balanced portrayal of this large cast. Show us some of the other stuff they filmed. One thing I am sure of, they had lots of other stuff we could have seen. Beth was the star and it was always going to be in large part about her. The funny thing is, we haven't even gotten to actually see what the girls are complaining about with regard to Beth not showing up. When Lu first brought it up to her, I was surprised. Outside of the small comment Carole had made at the boxing deal, and what Kristen said in her TH, we hadn't heard "boo" about this from anyone, yet it is apparently an actual thing being discussed. Of course we haven't seen it being discussed at whatever events she hasn't attended BECAUSE WE ARENT BEING SHOWN THE EVENTS SHE DOESN'T ATTEND. How ridiculous is it that this is having to be introduced by others (Lu, Carole) to Beth and she seems to be acknowledging that it has happened, but we have zero idea what they are talking about? Since Beth is in the vast majority of footage they show, her absence does impact them. In a huge way. I get that they are upset and they have a right to be if the camera is going to follow her, but they need to stop giving her so much power to turn it into a sob story. They probably weren't going to win. If Camille Grammer inviting the other BH ladies over to her pad, allowing us to see her luscious house porn and watch them all play tennis in the finest frocks, doesn't beat Kim Richards raging about her sobriety, then these ladies certainly never had a chance. My guess is that per usual, the lost footage episode will be far more interesting than anything we saw during the season.

[MatildaMoody]

Saying that I'm sure it's easy to be pissed at Beth, she's not exactly friendly or welcoming to some of the women, sometimes humans react to people who treat them like nothings. And imo that is how Beth has treated Kristen.

 

This made me laugh. Everyone treats Kristen like she is nothing. Heather is Kristen's friend and we saw what went down between them in Montana last year. Carole is Kristen's friend, but she made sure to take the opportunity to spread hurtful gossip that may or may not have been something that Bethenny actually said to her. Ramona tried to hit the bitch in the head with an oar. Sonja said it was Kristen's own fault that Ramona through a hard plastic wine goblet at her and split her lip. And we have seen how Josh, that prince of a husband of hers, has treated her. 

 

For me, very little of the other women's issues have to actually do with Bethenny. My issues as a viewer have to do with the way the other women keep the Bethenny thread alive. They can easily follow her own rules and just not engage her. But they don't. Instead they choose to have these "discussions" and "confrontations". I know that kind of stuff is par for the course with housewives, but if Heather had done to Bethenny, what Bethenny did to Heather, and say not cared whether or not Bethenny was going to eat the fish, Bethenny could have been a non starter at the dinner. If Kristen had told Carole that what she had just said was hurtful and unnecessary, she and Carole could have had an actual conversation on screen without Kristen being dismissed by Bethenny.

 

These women just need to step up their own game and stop worrying so much about Bethenny. Bethenny obviously isn't concerned with them, so why engage her at all? Why not let Bethenny come to them and then decide if THEY think it is worth their time to engage her? It looked like Heather was the only person to pick up that message at the AOA party. Stay standoffish and let Bethenny come to her and then disengage. Easy. No muss no fuss and Bethenny doesn't get to be the star of the scene. Instead, Bethenny is put in the position of asking her for forgiveness and a hug.

[bagger]

"... they need to stop giving her so much power to turn it into a sob story."

 

COULDN'T FIX MY QUOTE

 

This is what I was trying to express. Bethenny already took enough power, stop giving more to her for the love of God.

Edited June 16, 2015 by bagger

[shoegal]

Of course we haven't seen it being discussed at whatever events she hasn't attended BECAUSE WE ARENT BEING SHOWN THE EVENTS SHE DOESN'T ATTEND.

How do we know this is true? They filmed Dorinda's cocktail event and Bethenny couldn't come, they filmed the boxing match/drinks despite Bethenny turning down the invitation. The cameras were rolling in the Berkshires without Bethenny's presence. The idea that Bethenny is affecting the filming of events doesn't seem to hold water.

[WireWrap]

How do we know this is true? They filmed Dorinda's cocktail event and Bethenny couldn't come, they filmed the boxing match/drinks despite Bethenny turning down the invitation. The cameras were rolling in the Berkshires without Bethenny's presence. The idea that Bethenny is affecting the filming of events doesn't seem to hold water.

Well then, LuAnn, Kristen, Carole AND Bethenny are all lying LOL Bethenny acknowledged that she had missed events/gatherings to LuAnn in Florida! LOL

[shoegal]

Well then, LuAnn, Kristen, Carole AND Bethenny are all lying LOL Bethenny acknowledged that she had missed events/gatherings to LuAnn in Florida! LOL

I'm not saying Bethenny didn't miss stuff, clearly she did, I'm disputing the notion that it affected filming. Or that the women would be upset, during filming, that Bethenny not being present would affect whether their scenes are shown.

[Otherkate]

If Heather or Kristin decide they can't go to an event because of their kids, I don't think Bethenny would care either way. I remember Sonja and Ramona refusing Atlantic City citing their children as a reason. LuAnn skipped the renewal getaway citing her daughter. What is the big deal?

 

Sounds like OG Vicki over in the OC will be missing out on the big Napa trip to go to Disneyland with her daughter and grandkid. I guess we'll see if she gets raked over the coals for it. Thank God these women don't go to every single thing together as that's the most unnatural thing in the world. Sorry that Kristen's events aren't interesting enough without Bethenny. 

 

For sure, Kristen is entitled to be a butthurt whiny bitch about Bethenny not showing up or leaving early, and I'm fully entitled to call her a butthurt whiny bitch for it.

 

 

Well, listen, this Bethenny/Kristen thing is the only Kristen-related thing that's garnered her real attention and discussion so far, so maybe she's smarter than we think. And pretty!

[IKnowRight]

Hey, is Luann wearing a small, dainty necklace??!

Loved her white blouse! Someone was tweeting on the rerun it looked like her sleeves were made from straw wrappers! Ok.

[WireWrap]

I'm not saying Bethenny didn't miss stuff, clearly she did, I'm disputing the notion that it affected filming. Or that the women would be upset, during filming, that Bethenny not being present would affect whether their scenes are shown.

I understand but I think they other HWs realized that Bethenny returning was a big deal. Add to that, she is close to Andy, their boss, so not showing up to their events could/would/did mean these events were not shown during the regular season. Not necessarily Bethnny's personal choice they got cut but still a direct result from her skipping them none the less.  JMO

[AnnA]

I rewatched this week's First Looks tonight while cleaning up after dinner. There's another Bethenny crying scene coming up so fasten your seat belts ladies. I'm hoping the crying stops too but I don't have a problem with what she was saying. I wouldn't leave my four year child for 21 days to go off with this group of wackos either. When I got divorced, I traveled often for work but my kids were in their teens. That said, I would NEVER have gone away and left them for 21 days in a single month.

Maybe it's because Father's Day is approaching but as I was reading this thread tonight, I couldn't help but think of my Dad. He passed 13 years ago but so many of the things he taught me remain relevant. When I was a kid and wasn't allowed to ...[insert whatever]....I would say "That's not fair." My father's response was always the same. "Life's not fair." So what if Bethenny managed to negotiate a better contract than whoever? More power to her!

Edited June 17, 2015 by AnnA

[shoegal]

I understand but I think they other HWs realized that Bethenny returning was a big deal. Add to that, she is close to Andy, their boss, so not showing up to their events could/would/did mean these events were not shown during the regular season. Not necessarily Bethnny's personal choice they got cut but still a direct result from her skipping them none the less. JMO

But they did show events that Bethenny did not attend. If someone is pissed their event didn't make the cut, maybe it's because it was boring or got cut for another reason. Things get cut every season. It seems like Bethenny is being made a scapegoat.

Edited June 17, 2015 by shoegal

[MatildaMoody]

This made me laugh. Everyone treats Kristen like she is nothing. Heather is Kristen's friend and we saw what went down between them in Montana last year. Carole is Kristen's friend, but she made sure to take the opportunity to spread hurtful gossip that may or may not have been something that Bethenny actually said to her. Ramona tried to hit the bitch in the head with an oar. Sonja said it was Kristen's own fault that Ramona through a hard plastic wine goblet at her and split her lip. And we have seen how Josh, that prince of a husband of hers, has treated her. 

 

I hate to be that douche who quotes her own posts, but I just wanted to riff on this a little bit more. When it comes to Kristen, I would say that she is the one Housewife who gets a story line out of being treated like shit by her coworkers/friends.

 

Heather taking over whatever the hell outing Kristen had planned in Montana gave Kristen screen time and time for her to allow Josh to diminish her feelings over the phone.

 

Ramona almost KILLED her with an oar, because Kristen got Ramona's hair wet! The fact that Ramona split her lip with the goblet/glass/plastic was always secondary to me. Ramona tried to hit Kristen in the head with an OAR! And that was after she split Kristen's lip.

 

Sonja said that it was Kristen's own fault that Ramona split Kristen's lip and tried to hit her with an oar, because Kristen got Ramona's hair wet! 

 

Not to go too far back to she who must not be named, but I think it speaks to Kristen as a housewife. She who must not be named was dropping F-bombs in front of Kristen's children and her own, simply because Kristen said she wanted to get to know She who must not be named and Carole and not be involved in whatever was going on with the two of them. The beauty of that scene, Kristen came out the winner because She who must not be named first said she didn't want to discuss anything in front of the children. Kristen was the one who had presence of mind to send the children to play with the nanny. 

 

EVERYONE treats Kristen like she is nothing, and she keeps coming back for more. Seems like she would have a chance to work that to her advantage and get some sympathy and possibly a story line out of it.

Edited June 17, 2015 by MatildaMoody

[DelicateDee]

I really don't understand the notion that Bethenny is dragging this show down. After 5 years, a lot of shows that were popular in the beginning will start to lose ratings if not cancelled altogether. I like the show better this year because of Bethenny's return (yeah, really) but also because Aviva and her gross father are gone. He was a disgusting old man and treated Ramona with such disrespect, I wanted to come through my TV and sock him. Beth is not tolerating too many fools this time around because of what she's been through at this point in her life. I find that when she does act "bitchy', it's usually a reaction to stupid notions such as Kristen's hurt feelings cause she didn't get a personal invite to an event when Bethenny hardly even knew her. I don't think her presence "sucks the air out of the room" but rather adds life to an otherwise lackluster group. Of course, that could all change in a N.Y. minute with these HWs. !

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[howivesforever]

I really don't understand the notion that Bethenny is dragging this show down. After 5 years, a lot of shows that were popular in the beginning will start to lose ratings if not cancelled altogether. I like the show better this year because of Bethenny's return (yeah, really) but also because Aviva and her gross father are gone. He was a disgusting old man and treated Ramona with such disrespect, I wanted to come through my TV and sock him. Beth is not tolerating too many fools this time around because of what she's been through at this point in her life. I find that when she does act "bitchy', it's usually a reaction to stupid notions such as Kristen's hurt feelings cause she didn't get a personal invite to an event when Bethenny hardly even knew her. I don't think her presence "sucks the air out of the room" but rather adds life to an otherwise lackluster group. Of course, that could all change in a N.Y. minute with these HWs. !

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[SFoster21]

But they did show events that Bethenny did not attend. If someone is pissed their event didn't make the cut, maybe it's because it was boring or got cut for another reason. Things get cut every season. It seems like Bethenny is being made a scapegoat.

Yeah, I thought she was such a famewhore? So she is jettisoning opportunities to be filmed? What?

[FaithsMum]

Am I the only the only one who keeps reading 'polish' as 'polish' (as in something or someone from Poland)? I was doing this even before Trooper brought up it up.

No! I do too, probably because I say "varnish" rather than "polish." (Even my phone wants it to be something from Poland since autocorrect capitalised it!)

I paint my nails everyday (I find the process therapeutic!) and so I'm obsessed with varnishes. I have more than 500 - the vast majority are OPI, Nails Inc or Essie. I took a look at Kristen's line and all I can come up with is "meh." We pay more for, well, everything in the UK than across the pond but at $8 I kinda think that's pretty expensive when I could go buy L'Oréal or something like that for a similar price. They don't look to be that big a bottle either and, really, there's nothing special about them. It doesn't take much for me to buy a nail varnish, or several, but I wouldn't even impulse buy if I saw them on a shelf.

I don't get it. It's not like Kristen's known for having amazing nails, like Ramona was for her love of Pinot. It seems a bit random to me.

Oh, and the names sucks. At least Kristen's doing something with her time on the show though which is more than can be said for Sexy J.

[breezy424]

No! I do too, probably because I say "varnish" rather than "polish." (Even my phone wants it to be something from Poland since autocorrect capitalised it!)

I paint my nails everyday (I find the process therapeutic!) and so I'm obsessed with varnishes. I have more than 500 - the vast majority are OPI, Nails Inc or Essie. I took a look at Kristen's line and all I can come up with is "meh." We pay more for, well, everything in the UK than across the pond but at $8 I kinda think that's pretty expensive when I could go buy L'Oréal or something like that for a similar price. They don't look to be that big a bottle either and, really, there's nothing special about them. It doesn't take much for me to buy a nail varnish, or several, but I wouldn't even impulse buy if I saw them on a shelf.

I don't get it. It's not like Kristen's known for having amazing nails, like Ramona was for her love of Pinot. It seems a bit random to me.

Oh, and the names sucks. At least Kristen's doing something with her time on the show though which is more than can be said for Sexy J.

Glad I'm not alone....  I think everyone was surprised about Kris's choice of a business.  I think the color names kind of suck too.  Just not really clever enough.  But I do give her credit for 'doing' something.

 

I really liked Sonja her first season...and probably her second.  But now, she just seems so pathetic to me. 

[FaithsMum]

Glad I'm not alone.... I think everyone was surprised about Kris's choice of a business. I think the color names kind of suck too. Just not really clever enough. But I do give her credit for 'doing' something.

I really liked Sonja her first season...and probably her second. But now, she just seems so pathetic to me.

Yeah, OPI's always amuse me because of their pun esque names. While I wouldn't buy a varnish based on it's clever name, as a new brand it would make me remember them. I'd at least take a look at them if I were to see them in a shop whereas I'm pretty sure in six months time (I read on here they're not going to be in store til the autumn) I won't even remember who Kristen is let alone that this is her line. I guess Bethenny and I have that in common!!

I'm with you on Sonja - I liked her too. Her delusions make me kinda uncomfortable these days. Her brand of crazy isn't even fun anymore, it's sorta sad because half the time she comes across as delusional and the other half (with men) desperate.

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

I have never read anything to back this up. Why on earth would anyone think that Bethenny's business connections and partners came from her father's racetrack connections? Also her father was married at his time of death (Iirc) and his estate was passed to his wife. Unless he specifically left B something in his will or she attested the will, she got nothing.

Sorry this has take me a while to respond to, busy time of year! Bobby Frankel had no wife when he died. The Executor of his estate was a woman named Dottie Ingordo-Shireffs, who is very highly regarded woman in horse racing & part of the dream team of Zenyatta. If thoroughbred horses have a Queen, it is Zenyatta. http://www.zenyatta.com/discussions#/discussion/213/congratulations-to-dottie-on-the-inaugural-old-friends-frankel-award

 

This woman is married to another man in the industry. She was a platonic friend of Bobby Frankel.  One of the things he did was set up a TB retirement home for ex racehorses (see link above). There are more details about what happened to his estate here: http://www.drf.com/news/frankel-proves-fitting-tribute-his-namesake

 

"What Frankel’s attorneys found was a highly detailed arrangement of bequeaths naming a surprising number of individuals, each one designated with some kind of remembrance that spoke of extraordinary attention to the specifics of both the individual and the gift. According to Ingordo Shirreffs, even the seasoned estate attorneys were impressed.

“One of them told me, ‘Look at the fine thread that he wove through all of this,’ ” Ingordo Shirreffs said. “And you know, she was right.”

 

I believe he left Bethenny something, especially knowing she was pregnant with his only grandchild. I have no proof of this. Perhaps she was left the house I don't know the push for the family to move to CA wasn't far thereafter I wonder if that was why. She also gave a eulogy at his funeral. Oh to have been a fly on the wall after all she ever said about him publicly was what a piece of shit he was.

 

Moving along from his estate to the business connections I believe naturally benefit Bethenny one of Bethenny's best friends is Louis Lazzarino whose horses were trained by...yup... Bethenny's father. He was a close friend, as well and visited Bobby Frankel until close to his death at a time when few were allowed into his inner sanctum. I believe Louis was on RHoNY when she went to the track w/Jill and that guy Lee gave her lingerie. I think the other guy with them was Louis L.

 

Fast forward  years later to Bethenny's talk show, and  Bethenny In Your Business. Bethenny put Mrs. Louis Lazzarinno --Stephanie---in the segment! http://www.novesaratoga.com/stefanies-cheesecake-hits-the-airwaves/  

 

I always imagine Bethenny did those segments for struggling mom and pops, single mothers, people needing a hand. Louis L has many businesses, and I doubt this woman lives in less than a half a million dollar home- and honestly good for them. it is nothing to me.

 

But not for nothin' ...... the connections from Bethenny's dad---- connects her. On many levels. Still. 

 

He was a horse trainer to the stars, and had a lot of connections in NY racing as well.

 

My gut is she got a financial cut in the end that she isn't talking about. Does not suit the narrative. We might find out in what's made public about the divorce. He passed before she got married though.

 

This should prob go in Bethenny's thread but since it was posed here, here it is!

[hottesthw]

I'm with you on Sonja - I liked her too. Her delusions make me kinda uncomfortable these days. Her brand of crazy isn't even fun anymore, it's sorta sad because half the time she comes across as delusional and the other half (with men) desperate.

I used to find Sonja mildly entertaining but not anymore. Kind of moving into Kim Richards territory. Depressing and embarrassing to watch. I pity her poor daughter so much. Sonja is clearly slightly crazy. Must be hard to deal with IRL.

Between her and Beth I FF thru so much of this show there is hardly anything left to watch.

[Mrs peel]

Sonja's blog is up.  Same old, same old.  Successful business woman, went to FIT, yada, yada, yada.

 

eta;

http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-7/blogs/sonja-morgan/sonja-financial-success-doesnt

How did I miss this?  Now she's claiming to have been in the fashion business for decades?  I thought she had been in the restaurant business (or whatever the heck she called being a hostess at a restaurant) for decades?  And she's "restarting" her fashion business from the ground up?  When did she ever have a fashion business before now?

 

She also claims to be turning DOWN licensing deals!  Ok then.

 

 

I know, I know, stupid questions :-))

[SweetieDarling]

This made me laugh. Everyone treats Kristen like she is nothing. Heather is Kristen's friend and we saw what went down between them in Montana last year. Carole is Kristen's friend, but she made sure to take the opportunity to spread hurtful gossip that may or may not have been something that Bethenny actually said to her. Ramona tried to hit the bitch in the head with an oar. Sonja said it was Kristen's own fault that Ramona through a hard plastic wine goblet at her and split her lip. And we have seen how Josh, that prince of a husband of hers, has treated her. 

 

..and this after they sat around a table in their first season, and promised each other not to be the mean girl or throw the others under the bus.  I guess they only meant for that season.

 

eta:

oh, wait!  That was Carole, Heather and Aviva that made that pact.  They never promised to be nice to Kristen.

Edited June 22, 2015 by AnitaKnight

[izabella]

How did I miss this?  Now she's claiming to have been in the fashion business for decades?  I thought she had been in the restaurant business (or whatever the heck she called being a hostess at a restaurant) for decades?  And she's "restarting" her fashion business from the ground up?  When did she ever have a fashion business before now?

 

She also claims to be turning DOWN licensing deals!  Ok then.

 

 

I know, I know, stupid questions :-))

 

Sonja has been in the "PR business for decades" - that's how she's touting being a hostess at a restaurant.  She's a big liar and a phony, except she might just be mentally challenged and delusional enough to believe her own shit.

 

I have turned to active loathing of Sonja.  I'm ready for her to be kicked off this show.  I've been loathing Ramona since last year when she was lying up a storm about Mario, but I know they'll never get rid of her.

[Grneyedldy]

Sorry this has take me a while to respond to, busy time of year! Bobby Frankel had no wife when he died. The Executor of his estate was a woman named Dottie Ingordo-Shireffs, who is very highly regarded woman in horse racing & part of the dream team of Zenyatta. If thoroughbred horses have a Queen, it is Zenyatta. http://www.zenyatta.com/discussions#/discussion/213/congratulations-to-dottie-on-the-inaugural-old-friends-frankel-award

 

This woman is married to another man in the industry. She was a platonic friend of Bobby Frankel.  One of the things he did was set up a TB retirement home for ex racehorses (see link above). There are more details about what happened to his estate here: http://www.drf.com/news/frankel-proves-fitting-tribute-his-namesake

 

"What Frankel’s attorneys found was a highly detailed arrangement of bequeaths naming a surprising number of individuals, each one designated with some kind of remembrance that spoke of extraordinary attention to the specifics of both the individual and the gift. According to Ingordo Shirreffs, even the seasoned estate attorneys were impressed.

“One of them told me, ‘Look at the fine thread that he wove through all of this,’ ” Ingordo Shirreffs said. “And you know, she was right.”

 

I believe he left Bethenny something, especially knowing she was pregnant with his only grandchild. I have no proof of this. Perhaps she was left the house I don't know the push for the family to move to CA wasn't far thereafter I wonder if that was why. She also gave a eulogy at his funeral. Oh to have been a fly on the wall after all she ever said about him publicly was what a piece of shit he was.

 

Moving along from his estate to the business connections I believe naturally benefit Bethenny one of Bethenny's best friends is Louis Lazzarino whose horses were trained by...yup... Bethenny's father. He was a close friend, as well and visited Bobby Frankel until close to his death at a time when few were allowed into his inner sanctum. I believe Louis was on RHoNY when she went to the track w/Jill and that guy Lee gave her lingerie. I think the other guy with them was Louis L.

 

Fast forward  years later to Bethenny's talk show, and  Bethenny In Your Business. Bethenny put Mrs. Louis Lazzarinno --Stephanie---in the segment! http://www.novesaratoga.com/stefanies-cheesecake-hits-the-airwaves/  

 

I always imagine Bethenny did those segments for struggling mom and pops, single mothers, people needing a hand. Louis L has many businesses, and I doubt this woman lives in less than a half a million dollar home- and honestly good for them. it is nothing to me.

 

But not for nothin' ...... the connections from Bethenny's dad---- connects her. On many levels. Still. 

 

He was a horse trainer to the stars, and had a lot of connections in NY racing as well.

 

My gut is she got a financial cut in the end that she isn't talking about. Does not suit the narrative. We might find out in what's made public about the divorce. He passed before she got married though.

 

This should prob go in Bethenny's thread but since it was posed here, here it is!

Thank you for posting all this. While I find it interesting, it doesn't answer the questions of if Bethenny received anything from her Father's estate and if she used her Father's connections for SkinnyGirl.

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

GRNEYEDLDY, ON 12 JUN 2015 - 09:01 AM, SAID:

I have never read anything to back this up. Why on earth would anyone think that Bethenny's business connections and partners came from her father's racetrack connections? Also her father was married at his time of death (Iirc) and his estate was passed to his wife. Unless he specifically left B something in his will or she attested the will, she got nothing.

@@@@@@ full stop! I did not quote this right lol

I think it is interesting too. It does not answer the question you state.

My response was directly meant to address what you wrote above. 1) he didn't have a wife at the time of his death. He did write his own will, intricately and quite specifically to the point that he did not just leave everything in a bulk to a spouse.

Do I have proof she got something? No. But to me, it lends itself to the possibility, she was also at his side when he died. He was lucid that day, so her presence had to have been with his blessing. And she eulogized him. She was present. And thank god, I hope it gave her some closure.

2) the close friendship with one of her dads closest business partners made it eventually to her tv show. Personally, I think it's a good indication there was overlap.

My sense of things, YMMV.

Edited June 22, 2015 by Alonzo Mosely FBI

[Grneyedldy]

GRNEYEDLDY, ON 12 JUN 2015 - 09:01 AM, SAID:

I have never read anything to back this up. Why on earth would anyone think that Bethenny's business connections and partners came from her father's racetrack connections? Also her father was married at his time of death (Iirc) and his estate was passed to his wife. Unless he specifically left B something in his will or she attested the will, she got nothing.

@@@@@@ full stop! I did not quote this right lol

I think it is interesting too. It does not answer the question you state.

My response was directly meant to address what you wrote above. 1) he didn't have a wife at the time of his death. He did write his own will, intricately and quite specifically to the point that he did not just leave everything in a bulk to a spouse.

Do I have proof she got something? No. But to me, it lends itself to the possibility, she was also at his side when he died. He was lucid that day, so her presence had to have been with his blessing. And she eulogized him. She was present. And thank god, I hope it gave her some closure.

2) the close friendship with one of her dads closest business partners made it eventually to her tv show. Personally, I think it's a good indication there was overlap.

My sense of things, YMMV.

Ah gotcha. I've seen some odd and cruel things where wills are concerned, so who knows. I agree that Bethenny has friendships or whatever they might be called with some of her father's track friends. I just don't see them helping her with SkinnyGirl business. Once again, who knows?