S07.E09: Birthday In The Berks

[jaync]

Heather orchestrated muthafuckin' PirateGate? As if I need another reason to like her.

 

There's practically an example of this once a week.

Besides the "fucking bitch" incident with Sonja, when else? Heather's practically had no significant screentime until this week.

 

The 40's glam look at dinner was nice enough from the waist up, but I believe I saw in one shot that it was a midi length flared dress that she paired with BOOTS!!

Hah, no way. I'll be sure to look for that when I re-watch this episode (a first for this season).

[hottesthw]

This. If Heather were a man, her behavior would be considered stalkerish and abusive.

Kind of like how if Bethenny were a man she would have been sued and fired for sexual harassment years ago.

All of these women suck. Some just more than others.

Edited June 8, 2015 by hottesthw

[SFoster21]

Kind of like how if Bethenny were a man she would have been sued and arrested for sexual harassment years ago.

All of these women suck. Some just more than others.

What is this referring to? Sexual harassment is not a crime. Do you mean sexual assault?

[Higgins]

Googling (or checking out their Twitter or Facebook) someone your about to meet is so commonplace he probably would find it weird if someone didn't. I don't because I am too lazy but I have never assumed someone was talking about a specific story or throwing shade when it's mentioned.

Hell given the story about said mistress broke six months before filming the episode he was probably assumed they all already knew it.

Really? I never thought to do that. That seems strange to me.

[WireWrap]

"Which one of these lucky ladies is going to take home the greasy prize?” said Heather in the line of the night. As

if it was ever in doubt! A few hours later Heather walked in on Tomas unloading baguettes into Sonja’s back

wagon.”

http://www.ew.com/recap/real-housewives-new-york-city-st-barts-2

"Sonja, all but admitting that Heather was right about her butt sex with Tomas, says no

one pushes her face in the ground, EXCEPT Tomas when she's doing him in the back of the

garden.”

http://www.realitytea.com/2012/09/11/real-housewives-of-new-york-recap-the-beasts-of-st-barths/

 

"Heather Thomson confirmed Morgan's extracurricular activity and revealed to the camera that she had

walked in on Tomas and Sonja later on in the evening. "Suddenly all those bruises make a lot of sense," Thomson

joked.

 

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ZEIK0r_YqHgJ:www.enstarz.com/articles/6174/20120904/real-housewives-of-new-york-sonja-morgan-hooks-up-with-luann-de-lesseps-alleged-lover-tomas-in-st-barths.htm+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

The woman is a nasty, gossipy sexual buttinsky (pun intended!)

 

LOL

I stand corrected but must ask this, what was Carole so gleefully telling Heather the day after Sonja/pirate hookup on the deck of the main house? I could have sworn it was about her, Carole, seeing Sonja/pirate having anal sex and she, Carole, was the one to make the statement in her TH as well, not Heather. Is it possible that the sites/links you posted confused Carole/Heather because it happens all the time on many sites, confusing 1 HW with another that is.

[Grneyedldy]

I'm for any and all HW giving pirate sightings.

[motorcitymom65]

Lunastartron and the lunastartronic memory to the rescue! Thank you.

 

No one gives a fuck about Heather's potty mouth, least of all me. It's how she couples it with her patented brand of hostility and aggression that makes it like, uncool.

 

There's practically an example of this once a week.

But what example every week? What hostility and aggression has she shown practically every week? I keep reading this, and am not picking on this poster. I have read it over and over again but we have had 9 weeks and I haven't seen aggression each week, but then perhaps one person's aggression is different than another person's? Maybe someone thinks telling a person that someone is hurt to have not been invited to a party is aggressive? Or to take part in a mutual conversation about a custody issue?

[Jel]

But what example every week? What hostility and aggression has she shown practically every week? I keep reading this, and am not picking on this poster. I have read it over and over again but we have had 9 weeks and I haven't seen aggression each week, but then perhaps one person's aggression is different than another person's? Maybe someone thinks telling a person that someone is hurt to have not been invited to a party is aggressive? Or to take part in a mutual conversation about a custody issue?

Hi motorcitymom65, I am the poster, and it's cool, I do not feel picked on -- we're just having a conversation :)

 

I think there are plenty of examples on record already of Heather's objectionable behavior, but you are right, we don't all object to the same things. And I doubt it would matter which example I cite; Heather lovers gonna Heather love.  God speed, more power to you.  Probably best to leave it there. 

 

I get the feeling if the show turned Quantum Leap and suddenly Heather's words and actions started coming out of Bethenny's mouth things would be different. (I wish there was an emoticon for peering over one's bifocals while simultaneously raising an eyebrow, because that would be so sweet right there)

[runforcover]

GUYS

 

We are ignoring a key player in the Birthday epp - Kirsten's NEW TEETH.

 

I know it's The Land of Oz and shit, but don't these women have enough sense to not go whiter than their eyeballs?  It's so suburban.

 

(I say suburban lovingly - I am from one)

 

Is her name Kirsten, Kristen? What's her name and why does she elongate her vowels?

Edited June 7, 2015 by runforcover

[Trooper York]

 

 

my mind is
a big hunk of irrevocable nothing which touch and
taste and smell and hearing and sight keep hitting and
chipping with sharp fatal tools
in an agony of sensual chisels i perform squirms of
chrome and execute strides of cobalt
nevertheless i
feel that i cleverly am being altered that i slightly am
becoming something a little different, in fact
myself
Hereupon helpless i utter lilac shrieks and scarlet
bellowings.

(ee cummings)

[runforcover]

 

 

my mind is

a big hunk of irrevocable nothing which touch and

taste and smell and hearing and sight keep hitting and

chipping with sharp fatal tools

in an agony of sensual chisels i perform squirms of

chrome and execute strides of cobalt

nevertheless i

feel that i cleverly am being altered that i slightly am

becoming something a little different, in fact

myself

Hereupon helpless i utter lilac shrieks and scarlet

bellowings.

(ee cummings)

Nice.  This is what it's for - Cummings/RH mash-ups.  

[motorcitymom65]

Great catch on the table scapes and ever-changing hairdos, motorcitymom65! I am going to start watching for that, too.

One thing your post put me in mind of, (and this is just in general in the forum, not directed at you personally) is that it really seems that Heather, no matter what she does, up to and including actually screaming obscenities in people's faces (just so far over the top and miles beyond anything even remotely acceptable in the world I live in) is given a pass because of shitty, unfair editing or a lousy day or her awesome motherfuckin' street cred or how great she is for not playing the "sick kid card" etc. Is there no line anywhere with this woman? This has got to be one of the most loyal and devoted fan bases I have ever seen. Heather should really consider herself lucky.

It's so interestng how we can all see something so different not only in these shows, but also in these forums. For me, this is what I love about this place.

I have been thinking that exactly the opposite it true; that Heather should be concerned to find that she doesn't possess a very loyal fan base. At all. I have never in all my years of watching thes shows and reading the two forums I do (this one and Vulture) seen so many posts begin with "I use to really like Heather before this season, but......" Oh, other HW's have lost fans before, but generally to have folks turn on you to this degree you must do something to a real fan favorite. The Caroline backlash because of Teresa, the Kyle (and later Brandi) backlash because of Lisa, the S3 hatred of Heather Dubrow because of Shannon. Heather is getting hammered and a good deal of her fans are turning away not because she has done anything really horrid to someone that is loved which is the general formula. The same people who are mad at her in large part don't like Beth either. There doesn't seem to be a "thing" she has done. It is this small drip of stuff that most of us don't even really understand the true root of each week that all adds up to something many don't like, even if they cannot explain why. When someone who is as disliked as Beth starts treating you like shit and you cannot get your fan base to rally around you like crazy in protest, it is time to be very concerned about your fan base. The sheer number of people who say they use to like Heather and don't anymore should completely freak her out.

Edited June 7, 2015 by motorcitymom65

[film noire]

I stand corrected but must ask this, what was Carole so gleefully telling Heather the day after Sonja/pirate hookup on the deck of the main house? I could have sworn it was about her, Carole, seeing Sonja/pirate having anal sex and she, Carole, was the one to make the statement in her TH as well, not Heather. Is it possible that the sites/links you posted confused Carole/Heather because it happens all the time on many sites, confusing 1 HW with another that is.

 

There were a dozen more sites reporting the same info, so I'm fairly sure it's not a case of housewives being confused. (I wish Bravo left older episodes online; such a simple solution when it comes to tv scholars deciding what is canon in The Book of Housewives:)  I'm pretty sure the conversation you're reffing was one that we joined mid-stream -- and they both did TH's about the event, delivered fairly close to each other in the show sequence -- perhaps that's what you're cross-pollinating? (Not exactly the right word, but you get my drift!) 

Edited June 7, 2015 by film noire

[KungFuBunny]

New to this forum, hi all

 

I'm not seeing this season as Heather trying so hard to be Bethenny's BFF and being incredibly nice to her.

 

At the beginning of this season, Heather was bitching to Bethenny about Ramona. After about 5 minutes Bethenny cut her off. Heather was not mortally wounded but I do think she was annoyed and wanted to continue her Ramona rave.

 

Heather, Bethenny, Ramona, Luanne, Carol went to Boutique. Seemed they all had a good time. Some point during this evening Bethenny invited Carole to her Birthday dinner. I am assuming she already had invited Luanne, Ramona & Sonja but I could be totally off maybe she invited them while at Boutique. Heather went to the event as Carole's plus one. Seemed they all had a good time.

 

Heather calls Kristen and tells her about Bethenny's event. I don't think Kristen was upset until Heather planted it in her head.

 

Dinner/drinks Carole, Dorinda, Bethenny & Heather. Does Heather say OMG we had such a good time at the birthday party...no she tells Bethenny it was rude of her to NOT invite Kristen in front of Dorinda who also was not invited. For me I would have been pissed off...who are you to tell me who I should or should not invite to my birthday party. I don't think Bethenny deliberately excluded the other ladies (Dorinda & Kristen were not at Boutique that evening) After telling Bethenny she was rude for the NON invite she was told how she should handle Kristen the next time they saw each other as if she OWED Kristen an apology.

 

Dorinda's drink event. Bethenny was not there.

Heather went up to Kristen and her Freddy Kruger hubs to tell them she told Bethenny off. Also reiterated to them she did not feel she wanted to pursue a friendship with a person who behaved this way.

 

Atlantic City limo ride. Heather was pissed I believe more at Sonja than Bethenny but maybe it was editing but it seemed like she was annoyed at Bethenny because she was not informed that Bethenny was going to be late. We know Sonja the hostess of the event knew because she told them. I wonder why none of them were pissed at the limo company. Had the limo company been on time, they could have had a warm place to sit while waiting for the late people. In AC, Kristen had the perfect opportunity (during black jack with the Elvis lover) to confront Bethenny about how wounded she was that she was not invited to the birthday party but she didn't.

 

Fast forward to Dorinda's Berkshires getaway. At the Red Lion Inn lunch, Heather said the other ladies were afraid of Bethenny and give her way too much slack. To me....not a sign she wants to be friends with Bethenny.

 

Bethenny's arrival. She greets others people. Heather reprimands Bethenny for not telling her about the surprise cause if she had known their kids could have hung out? Why? For me...I would have been taken aback...wait why am I supposed to tell you about my surprise for Dorinda, why would I have hung out with you earlier while our kids played when that would have taken away from the lunches Dorinda had planned for the rest of you.

 

At the dinner, Bethenny says to Dorinda and John she only eats shellfish. She did not say she was allergic to fish. She also said to Dorinda and John not to worry about it...when the plates come out she would know what is what and be able to pick and choose. Dorinda offered her hummus...Bethenny and Dorinda were handling it. Heather's offer of the meatball and Bethenny's saying no was not a reason to be so offended on Heather's part. It's not like she was offering to drive to a Berkshire supermarket, but 3 types of meat, hand grind them, marinate them, stand over a hot stove fry them and spoon feed them to Bethenny. What was she gonna do tell Dorinda's hired chefs to nuke a meatball?

 

Heather was grilling Ramona's plus one. This was Dorinda's birthday party. Why did she choose to single him out. Why not steer the conversation to the hostess and talk about her house or ask how did you and John meet? Or talk about the Berkshires in general or talk to Dorinda's brother, brother in law. Instead she talks to Peter and says they have a journalist in the midst. He knew where she was trying to go with this. She did not say it out loud but I think she was trying to figure out how to out the Mario mistress connection. Or at the very least she was telling him I know and I'm letting you know I know. What was the point of this...if this came out during dinner who would it have hurt or embarrass...Ramona. Maybe she was ticked off from the Petrossian dinner.

 

There were other conversations going on throughout dinner. Bethenny and Sonja were trashed and having a good time. Were they disruptive and annoying yes. However I didn't see anyone else giving them the stink eye. Bethenny probably had 3 edamame pods in her stomach plus all of that sake and Sonja was just trashed. I don't think Bethenny and Sonja knew about the Peter/Mario connection. Sonja would have said something cause Ramona is her buddy. They were busy cracking up at anything and everything.

 

When Heather chose to tell Bethenny and Sonja she was going to separate them...she was not joking. She was reprimanding them and telling them how to behave. To me..again this would not show me you are trying to be my friend or that you are being nice to me.

 

I do think Peter was happy this fight ensued cause the interrogation lamp was finally out of his face.

 

Heather and Bethenny just need to be civil to each other at events they are both at and take it slow.

 

Bethenny has always been neurotic and whiny. She can be funny and witty but she has always been brusque. This season she looks like she is on the verge of having an onscreen nervous breakdown...had I been any of the ladies on this cast new or old...I would not get into any deep conversations with Bethenny because like Carole I do not want to deal with a crying, falling apart, sobbing person.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[film noire]

New to this forum, hi all

 

I'm not seeing this season as Heather trying so hard to be Bethenny's BFF and being incredibly nice to her.

(snipped only for space)

Welcome to the forum, KungFuBunny -- fantastic (and not just because I agree:) breakdown & commentary re: the Bethenny/Heather encounters so far this season.

Edited June 7, 2015 by film noire

[KungFuBunny]

If you are a Bethenny supporter does that mean you get off of her jock?

Maybe Heather can put it in her line and they can finally bond!

Heather being the great business woman that she is, has decided to run with this idea.

 

Heather's new ancillary business for men's shapewear....it will be called Mock Jocks (Jocky Mocky, Hock My Jock)...wear my new waist trainers and turn your moobs into six pack pecs

[KungFuBunny]

Welcome to the forum, KungFuBunny -- fantastic (and not just because I agree:) breakdown & commentary re: the Bethenny/Heather encounters so far this season.

Thank you kindly for the warm welcome, film noire

 

Are there emoticons on this site?

[KungFuBunny]

With a not-so-subtle waft of betrayal and burned latkes.

 

I'm pretty sure the way Jill betrayed Bethenny in that lame-assed attempt to create a storyline certainly didn't help Bethenny's lack of trust.  What a piece of work her "best friend" Jill turned out to be.

 

Ugh.  

Add in Ginger breath and a dose of Jill boogers

[LotusFlower]

I think there are plenty of examples on record already of Heather's objectionable behavior, but you are right, we don't all object to the same things. And I doubt it would matter which example I cite; Heather lovers gonna Heather love.  God speed, more power to you.  Probably best to leave it there. 

I don't see blind loyalty towards Heather at all. I'm a fan, but I don't cheerlead everything she does, and I think that's the same for most Heather fans here. In fact, I feel like that characterization puts us in a category with Tre Huggers, which is verging on the offensive, if you know what I mean. (Take a look at those websites, and you'll see what a rabid fan base looks like).

On the contrary, it feels like the inverse is true. You're free to dislike anyone you want, but you asked fans of Heather if there was anything she could do that would cross the line. Does she have any redeemable qualities, in your view? Cuz it feels like she can't win for trying.

[AnnA]

Welcome to the forum, KungFuBunny -- fantastic (and not just because I agree:) breakdown & commentary re: the Bethenny/Heather encounters so far this season.

 

Welcome KungFuBunny!

 

Ditto for me on Film Noire's reasoning.

 

ETA:  Unfortunately, there are no emoticons on this site.

Edited June 7, 2015 by AnnA

[Grneyedldy]

There were a dozen more sites reporting the same info, so I'm fairly sure it's not a case of housewives being confused. (I wish Bravo left older episodes online; such a simple solution when it comes to tv scholars deciding what is canon in The Book of Housewives:)  I'm pretty sure the conversation you're reffing was one that we joined mid-stream -- and they both did TH's about the event, delivered fairly close to each other in the show sequence -- perhaps that's what you're cross-pollinating? (Not exactly the right word, but you get my drift!)

The answer is easy Sonja walked the plank twice. Once backing into it.

[WireWrap]

There were a dozen more sites reporting the same info, so I'm fairly sure it's not a case of housewives being confused. (I wish Bravo left older episodes online; such a simple solution when it comes to tv scholars deciding what is canon in The Book of Housewives:)  I'm pretty sure the conversation you're reffing was one that we joined mid-stream -- and they both did TH's about the event, delivered fairly close to each other in the show sequence -- perhaps that's what you're cross-pollinating? (Not exactly the right word, but you get my drift!) 

In the scene I mentioned, Carole clearly said that "she" saw Sonja and the pirate doing the back door nasty, that is why I am confused as to Heather getting blamed for "spying" on Sonja. Did she talk about it? Yes but so did Carole, Ramona and Aviva so why blame only Heather?

[motorcitymom65]

In the scene I mentioned, Carole clearly said that "she" saw Sonja and the pirate doing the back door nasty, that is why I am confused as to Heather getting blamed for "spying" on Sonja. Did she talk about it? Yes but so did Carole, Ramona and Aviva so why blame only Heather?

Damn, now I am going to need to find the episode on YouTube and watch it. I thought that Lu and the Pirate accidentally walked into Heather's room. The next morning Heather and Carole chatted about this, and then Carole had a TH where she talked about the "two male voices". Later, Carole mentioned coming across Sonja and the Pirate doing the sex act that was still illegal in some places.

[KungFuBunny]

This season on this franchise...there are many flashbacks that occur....i.e. peeing on the way to AC and then Bravo shows a flashback of Bethenny peeing into a bucket.

 

My wish is a new scene with Luanne plus whoever and they talk about some of their crazier adventures....then Bravo...please please please show a flashback of Luanne's camel ride in Morocco.

 

I need some comic relief

[KungFuBunny]

I also want to say I love Dorinda.

 

She has a fully functional Bullshitdometer and I love that she's a straightshooter.

 

I applaud her for telling Kristen off.

I can not believe Kristen had the gall to bring it up. She was in Dorinda's house, it was Dorinda's birthday weekend, she was staying there for a few days...and she still chose to make her comments about John. Ramona already changed the subject said they weren't talking about anything....Kristen brought it up.

 

If I were Dorinda I think I would have kicked her out at that point and told Heather....let her stay at your house neighbor

[motorcitymom65]

I also want to say I love Dorinda.

 

She has a fully functional Bullshitdometer and I love that she's a straightshooter.

 

I applaud her for telling Kristen off.

I can not believe Kristen had the gall to bring it up. She was in Dorinda's house, it was Dorinda's birthday weekend, she was staying there for a few days...and she still chose to make her comments about John. Ramona already changed the subject said they weren't talking about anything....Kristen brought it up.

 

If I were Dorinda I think I would have kicked her out at that point and told Heather....let her stay at your house neighbor

I don't think she believed Kristen was coming from a bad place, although clearly it was all kinds of wrong for Kristen to bring it up. From the looks of their interaction on Twitter, Dorinda and Kristen seem pretty tight.

[WireWrap]

Damn, now I am going to need to find the episode on YouTube and watch it. I thought that Lu and the Pirate accidentally walked into Heather's room. The next morning Heather and Carole chatted about this, and then Carole had a TH where she talked about the "two male voices". Later, Carole mentioned coming across Sonja and the Pirate doing the sex act that was still illegal in some places.

That was Carole who said it was "still illegal in some states", not Heather. I went back and checked their blogs, only Carole talks about Sonja/pirate/sex in her blog, not Heather. That said, Carole said something about her and Heather, together, out in the garden and that they heard then saw "something" in her blog and about bonobo monkeys sex lives. Next paragraph she talks about Sonja/pirate/sex. I know it was Carole talked/joked about this a lot that episode and Andy asked Carole about it at the reunion, he did not ask Heather. That episode aired September 4th, 2012 according to the blog date. I have not been able to find it on YouTube so far.....grrrrrrrr. LOL

 

 

I also want to say I love Dorinda.

 

She has a fully functional Bullshitdometer and I love that she's a straightshooter.

 

I applaud her for telling Kristen off.

I can not believe Kristen had the gall to bring it up. She was in Dorinda's house, it was Dorinda's birthday weekend, she was staying there for a few days...and she still chose to make her comments about John. Ramona already changed the subject said they weren't talking about anything....Kristen brought it up.

 

If I were Dorinda I think I would have kicked her out at that point and told Heather....let her stay at your house neighbor

Actually, Ramona once again lied to cover her butt. Kristen was honest and told the truth while Ramona sat there letting Dorinda think that Kristen started that conversation when in fact it was Ramona bad mouthing LuAnn and John trying to stir up trouble. Typical Ramona move IMO. LOL

 

ETA; Welcome to the group KungFuBunny!

Edited June 7, 2015 by WireWrap

[KungFuBunny]

From Kristen's blog:

 

Red Lion Inn--We all start talking about Bethenny, but what you all don’t realize is that she just wasn’t around much when we were all hanging out. And because Heather and I haven’t gotten to know her yet, at this point we have no idea what’s going on in her private life (I am watching now just like you are), and so we are totally confused as to why she’s back--what does she want from the group? We’ve invited her places, but she can’t/won't come. We are viewing this as not really up for making the effort. It clearly seems like she could use some friends, maybe a shoulder to cry on. Friends are something that it seems Bethenny could use right about now. Not everyone is out to get her. Some of us are actually really great ladies with big, kind hearts.

 

I think this is important for us viewers.  When the show was filming, no probably knew about Beth's therapy sessions, her meeting with her stepfather and their conversation, etc.  And if a housewife is not at a particular event, they don't know exactly went on at that event.  Their perspective is going to be different from ours.

 

I also think the whole Ro's boyfriend was producer driven.  Hey Carole and Lu - we're going to have a scene with you two looking at an article about Ro's plus one.  Hey Heather - we want you to bring this up during dinner. 

This is just in response to Kristen's blog above.

 

At the point of the Red Lion Inn lunch...events Bethenny already attended

 

Hamptons meet (all cast in attendance) Heather told Bethenny she owed Luanne a car.

Brunch at Bethenny's (Kristen, Heather, Carole, Luanne)

Dancing at Boutique (Heather, Carole, Luanne, Ramona, Sonja)

Dinner/Drinks (Dorinda, Luanne, Carole, Heather)

Atlantic City (all cast)

Victoria's art show (Luanne)

Sonja's Latino magazine spread (all cast)

Ramona's lunch (all cast)

Carole's apartment (all cast)

CB2 meltdown (Carole)

 

Events Bethenny did not attend

Carole's boxing event gig (I don't remember Heather reprimanding Carole for not inviting Dorinda and I remember Dorinda saying I would have loved to go but was not invited)

Dorinda's drinking event

First day/night in the Berkshires

 

I'm just trying to figure out what events Kristen is talking about that she invited Bethenny and she refused to attend. I would also say big deal.....more air time for me during which I am not going to waste my time talking about a person who is not there....I'm gonna promote and hock my own shit.

Note to Kristen...talk about your blog or your expertise with Saran Wrap

[KungFuBunny]

Welcome KungFuBunny!

 

Ditto for me on Film Noire's reasoning.

 

ETA:  Unfortunately, there are no emoticons on this site.

Thank you for your warm welcome AnnaA

 

My apologies in advance if I don't respond quickly...seriously I'm not ignoring you nor am I trying to tend to you....I am still reading the old pages and trying to catch up.

 

PS...when Ramona tried to change the subject when Dorinda walked in on Kristen/Ramona conversation...she pulled a strange move. Was anyone else reminded of Elaine from Seinfeld's dance moves? Ha!

[motorcitymom65]

This is just in response to Kristen's blog above.

 

At the point of the Red Lion Inn lunch...events Bethenny already attended

 

Hamptons meet (all cast in attendance) Heather told Bethenny she owed Luanne a car.

Brunch at Bethenny's (Kristen, Heather, Carole, Luanne)

Dancing at Boutique (Heather, Carole, Luanne, Ramona, Sonja)

Dinner/Drinks (Dorinda, Luanne, Carole, Heather)

Atlantic City (all cast)

Victoria's art show (Luanne)

Sonja's Latino magazine spread (all cast)

Ramona's lunch (all cast)

Carole's apartment (all cast)

CB2 meltdown (Carole)

 

Events Bethenny did not attend

Carole's boxing event gig (I don't remember Heather reprimanding Carole for not inviting Dorinda and I remember Dorinda saying I would have loved to go but was not invited)

Dorinda's drinking event

First day/night in the Berkshires

 

I'm just trying to figure out what events Kristen is talking about that she invited Bethenny and she refused to attend. I would also say big deal.....more air time for me during which I am not going to waste my time talking about a person who is not there....I'm gonna promote and hock my own shit.

Note to Kristen...talk about your blog or your expertise with Saran Wrap

Welcome KungFuBunny. There is no better place to snark on these gals.

Your point is dead on, and I love that you included all the events. I think the deal is, we can only comment on what we did see, not what didn't make it to our TV. Most people believe that with her $1 million salary, Beth was going to command a lot of screen time. They events she attends are more likely to make it through editing. Andy himself said they film 85 hours for every hour we see. What Kristen has said in a couple of blogs is that she had invited her to things that she didn't attend. Clearly the others have as well since this has been discussed by Lu, Carole, and Kristen. She must have been unavailable a fair amount of the time for this to have been mentioned by them. If you are Kristen and your events don't get shown because Beth is not there, it does impact your camera time and your ability to forge a bond with the audience.

Also, the other ladies were around each other at most of these things for longer than Beth was. She didn't attend dinner at Lu's house, but came later for drinks and didn't stay long. At Brunch she said in her blog the ladies were at her house for about 90 minutes. Since the other gals were spending the night at Lu's house, then traveling to the two brunches, they were together a lot. Beth, not so much. Remember also that she went to bed early in AC while the rest of them stayed up to party, and she only stayed at Carole's for one hour, while the other girls were there longer. Kristen also wasn't at Beth's party, at the lunch with Lu and Heather, or at the snoring session Dorinda, Carole, and Heather had with her. If you think about it, 2 months into filming, Kristen hasn't been with Beth very much. Again, since this has been discussed with the other ladies, and not denied by Beth, it sounds like it was something that was happening.

[QuinnM]

The pirate episodes are Season 5, Episodes 13&14. They are not available on demand nor Anazon Prime. It does appear they are on Hulu Plus.

Happy hunting.

[sasha206]

 

Bethenny has always been neurotic and whiny. She can be funny and witty but she has always been brusque. This season she looks like she is on the verge of having an onscreen nervous breakdown...had I been any of the ladies on this cast new or old...I would not get into any deep conversations with Bethenny because like Carole I do not want to deal with a crying, falling apart, sobbing person.

 

Welcome!

 

Totally agree on your comments, particularly this one.  

[KungFuBunny]

To me, Heather tried way too hard the whole ep to play Berkshires Expert, Tour Guide, and hostess. No Heather. You were the hostess when the girls encamped in your dark green hotbox cabin from the first Parent Trap movie. You're not the boss in Madame Dorinda Tussaud's color wheel tudor. Shut up already about Bethenny's food- you're NOT the hostess just cuz you think you own the Berkshires, and even at your beloved Red Lion, Bethenny's dietary issues are not your row to hoe!

ROFLMAO!

[bosawks]

Welcome KungFuBunny!

 

Ditto for me on Film Noire's reasoning.

 

ETA:  Unfortunately, there are no emoticons on this site.

I kind of consider Ramona an emoticon....

[KungFuBunny]

Welcome KungFuBunny. There is no better place to snark on these gals.

Your point is dead on, and I love that you included all the events. I think the deal is, we can only comment on what we did see, not what didn't make it to our TV. Most people believe that with her $1 million salary, Beth was going to command a lot of screen time. They events she attends are more likely to make it through editing. Andy himself said they film 85 hours for every hour we see. What Kristen has said in a couple of blogs is that she had invited her to things that she didn't attend. Clearly the others have as well since this has been discussed by Lu, Carole, and Kristen. She must have been unavailable a fair amount of the time for this to have been mentioned by them. If you are Kristen and your events don't get shown because Beth is not there, it does impact your camera time and your ability to forge a bond with the audience.

Also, the other ladies were around each other at most of these things for longer than Beth was. She didn't attend dinner at Lu's house, but came later for drinks and didn't stay long. At Brunch she said in her blog the ladies were at her house for about 90 minutes. Since the other gals were spending the night at Lu's house, then traveling to the two brunches, they were together a lot. Beth, not so much. Remember also that she went to bed early in AC while the rest of them stayed up to party, and she only stayed at Carole's for one hour, while the other girls were there longer. Kristen also wasn't at Beth's party, at the lunch with Lu and Heather, or at the snoring session Dorinda, Carole, and Heather had with her. If you think about it, 2 months into filming, Kristen hasn't been with Beth very much. Again, since this has been discussed with the other ladies, and not denied by Beth, it sounds like it was something that was happening.

Hi and thanks motorcitymom65

 

Kristen's bitching on what we've seen so far up to the Red Lion's Inn lunch.....I highlighted one of your sentences.

So is Kristen saying they didn't film their own individual events if Bethenny was not there? Or is she saying Bravo filmed these events but chose not to air them?

 

Why do I remember Kristen in a non-sensical scene showing her expertise with Saran Swrap while asking her housekeeper questions and her blog photo shoot where none of the other ladies were in attendance. Is she mad at Bravo for showing these scenes instead of showing some event/party she threw herself that they filmed but did not air because Bethenny was not there?

[film noire]

Yes but so did Carole, Ramona and Aviva so why blame only Heather?

 

Because I was talking about *Heather's part in that event* as indicative of her interfering, sexually snoop-sistery ways -- why would I then go on to include every housewife and what they did, when my point was about *Heather*?  

 

That was Carole who said it was "still illegal in some states", not Heather. I went back and checked their blogs, only Carole talks about Sonja/pirate/sex in her blog, not Heather.

As the links I posted show, Heather saw them & delivered a snide little talking head about the bruises on Sonja suddenly making sense.

Edited June 7, 2015 by film noire

[KungFuBunny]

The reason why Dorinda laid into Kristen about what happened with John and hasn't spoken up to Sonja is because Kristen was being flirtatious with John, just as Sonja was, and was participating in the now-called "sandwich" (LOL) then tried to turn around and say that it was all John's fault and she didn't do anything. Dorinda knows how John is and doesn't place the blame on the girls, but she did need to call Kristen out for flirting back with John harmlessly then trying to clutch pearls and say that the whole thing was inappropriate. She didn't call out Sonja because unlike Kristen, Sonja isn't acting like John is being inappropriate or creepy and owns her part in the harmless flirtation. I can see why Dorinda would then not say anything to her and would say something to Kristen if that's the case. She knows to talk to John about the issue and not blame the ladies, but in this case she had to call Kristen out for being a hypocrite.

 

Years ago on the Bravo boards...there was an off topic conversation about emergency rooms and the weird things that come thru. One poster who worked in the ER posted that a patient came in with a potato stuck in his butt. Another poster did a theoretical explanation...I dunno what happenned doc, I was innocently talking a walk in the garden smelling the roses when this potato came out of nowhere and jumped into my ass.

 

Dorinda was pissed caused Kristen was acting like she was doing nothing when she was an active participant. Kristen was not standing at the bar looking at the room decor and thinking about her fashion blog when out of nowhere John grinded his boner into her ass. She was the initial aggressor by hanging on his back, she also turned around and shimmied her butt into his crotch.

[Trooper York]

 

 

being
twelve
who hast merely
gonorrhea

            Oldeyed
child, to
ambitious weeness
of boots

tiny
add
death
what

shall?

(ee cummings)

[One Tough Cookie]

Hmm...interesting origins..but I also think that this particular franchise got its inspiration from 1939s The Women too )

 

 

Pretty much, EXCEPT I'm having trouble figuring out who is playing the Mary Haines role??

[ryebread]

Heather being the great business woman that she is, has decided to run with this idea.

 

Heather's new ancillary business for men's shapewear....it will be called Mock Jocks (Jocky Mocky, Hock My Jock)...wear my new waist trainers and turn your moobs into six pack pecs

 

After last season wrapped, she actually named a style of her leggings, "Bossypants".  I thought that was both clever and a tiny bit obnoxious. LOL

 

In the scene I mentioned, Carole clearly said that "she" saw Sonja and the pirate doing the back door nasty, that is why I am confused as to Heather getting blamed for "spying" on Sonja. Did she talk about it? Yes but so did Carole, Ramona and Aviva so why blame only Heather?

 

I'm game.  Let's go back to snarking on Carole.

 

Kristen will get her time in the sun.  She and Josh renew their vows in an upcoming episode.  That always bodes well for the HWs.

[film noire]

Pretty much, EXCEPT I'm having trouble figuring out who is playing the Mary Haines role??

Perhaps in this version, it's Mary,  not Steven,  who remains off camera the whole time? :)

[sasha206]

 

Dorinda was pissed caused Kristen was acting like she was doing nothing when she was an active participant. Kristen was not standing at the bar looking at the room decor and thinking about her fashion blog when out of nowhere John grinded his boner into her ass. She was the initial aggressor by hanging on his back, she also turned around and shimmied her butt into his crotch.

 

Exactly.  

 

I loved her calling on Kristen on it.   Is John creepy?  Yes to me he is.  And he did get handsy.  But when you grind on someone's junk, don't be surprised when they think it's perfectly acceptable to get handsy with you.

[WireWrap]

Because I was talking about *Heather's part in that event* as indicative of her interfering, sexually snoop-sistery ways -- why would I then go on to include every housewife and what they did, when my point was about *Heather*?  

 

As the links I posted show, Heather saw them & delivered a snide little talking head about the bruises on Sonja suddenly making sense.

Please read Carole's blog, I posted the link, it seems that BOTH Heather and Carole discovered them in the garden, per Carole's blog.

After last season wrapped, she actually named a style of her leggings, "Bossypants".  I thought that was both clever and a tiny bit obnoxious. LOL

 

 

I'm game.  Let's go back to snarking on Carole.

 

Kristen will get her time in the sun.  She and Josh renew their vows in an upcoming episode.  That always bodes well for the HWs.

I love snarking on all of them, yes, even Heather! LOL They all give us so much, they are gifts that keep on giving! LOL

[Rahul]

Please read Carole's blog, I posted the link, it seems that BOTH Heather and Carole discovered them in the garden, per Carole's blog.

All I want to know is how and why Carole was so comfortable making the assertion not that Sonja was taking it up the back door. Was she standing close enough to make that distinction?

On second thought, maybe I don't want to know.

[bagger]

 What Kristen has said in a couple of blogs is that she had invited her to things that she didn't attend. Clearly the others have as well since this has been discussed by Lu, Carole, and Kristen. She must have been unavailable a fair amount of the time for this to have been mentioned by them. If you are Kristen and your events don't get shown because Beth is not there, it does impact your camera time and your ability to forge a bond with the audience.

 

Sounds like sour apples on Kristen's part. Other events haven't been attended by Bethenny and they made the cut. Perhaps Kristen needs to plan more fun and/or eventful outings that might stand a chance of making it to our tv screens.

[breezy424]

This is just in response to Kristen's blog above.

 

At the point of the Red Lion Inn lunch...events Bethenny already attended

 

Hamptons meet (all cast in attendance) Heather told Bethenny she owed Luanne a car.

Brunch at Bethenny's (Kristen, Heather, Carole, Luanne)

Dancing at Boutique (Heather, Carole, Luanne, Ramona, Sonja)

Dinner/Drinks (Dorinda, Luanne, Carole, Heather)

Atlantic City (all cast)

Victoria's art show (Luanne)

Sonja's Latino magazine spread (all cast)

Ramona's lunch (all cast)

Carole's apartment (all cast)

CB2 meltdown (Carole)

 

Events Bethenny did not attend

Carole's boxing event gig (I don't remember Heather reprimanding Carole for not inviting Dorinda and I remember Dorinda saying I would have loved to go but was not invited)

Dorinda's drinking event

First day/night in the Berkshires

 

I'm just trying to figure out what events Kristen is talking about that she invited Bethenny and she refused to attend. I would also say big deal.....more air time for me during which I am not going to waste my time talking about a person who is not there....I'm gonna promote and hock my own shit.

Note to Kristen...talk about your blog or your expertise with Saran Wrap

Many events are not used in episodes.  We get a glimpse at some of those events in the lost footage episodes at the end of the season.  

[WireWrap]

All I want to know is how and why Carole was so comfortable making the assertion not that Sonja was taking it up the back door. Was she standing close enough to make that distinction?

On second thought, maybe I don't want to know.

I guess she was that close! YUCK!!!! And Sonja admitted to it! DOUBLE YUCK!!!!

 

Sounds like sour apples on Kristen's part. Other events haven't been attended by Bethenny and they made the cut. Perhaps Kristen needs to plan more fun and/or eventful outings that might stand a chance of making it to our tv screens.

Even LuAnn commented to Bethenny about missing events (which Bethenny acknowledged), so I suspect there were quite a few and not just Kirsten's. JMO

[Crikey]

Exactly.  

 

I loved her calling on Kristen on it.   Is John creepy?  Yes to me he is.  And he did get handsy.  But when you grind on someone's junk, don't be surprised when they think it's perfectly acceptable to get handsy with you.

Soooooo, if I grind on Daniel Craig I cannot complain if he gets handsy with me?  I will give him 3 hours before I start whining, maybe 4 but no more than 6  ;)

John may have junk but, I am guessing, DC ain't packing any junk lol

Edited June 7, 2015 by Crikey

[KungFuBunny]

Be careful what you say, ryebread -- Heather is gonna get out her scully and show a bitch who the real Papi is around here!

 

Didn't understand that clip...I guess we will see next week.

 

scully reference - is she talking about x-files Scully?

She should have said I am gonna go Bad Boy on you so that she could tie in another P Diddy reference.

[FaithsMum]

I finally watched the episode earlier today (although I had already read this thread!)

Eh, Bethenny's brittleness doesn't really bother me. I mean, people don't always react to stress in ways that necessarily make them sympathetic to others. I'm hospitalised with anorexia atm; at least once a day I have an internal pity party with myself about how much my life sucks right now and how I'm a fucking adult who doesn't have the freedom to a) leave or b) make my own medical decisions. Catch me in the wrong mood and I'm equally as likely to bite your head off or burst into tears. More bite your head off, if I'm honest. I'm every bit as brittle and tightly wound as Bethenny is right now and truthfully as a result I don't always respond in a pretty way that make it easy for others to empathise. I don't consider these meltdowns my finest moments but human nature is not so black and white and people respond to stress differently.

However, I would not go on a reality show because unlike Bethenny I do seem to be aware my fragility and reaction to it isn't exactly the most endearing thing about me. I have no idea what Bethenny's reasons were for coming back, but it was a bad, bad move... And I say that as someone who, overall, likes Bethenny although I wouldn't want to be friends with her, or even know her since I imagine she's exhausting to be around whether she's "happy" or "sad."

I've never liked Heather and frankly I now feel my dislike of her is justified! For me, her need to "fix" is not out of genuine kindness, it's a desire to stroke her own ego and control a situation. She exhausts me too and I fucking hate the way she smiles. I hate the scrunched up nose, the clamped together like she's having a seizure teeth. (I have epilepsy so I feel I can make the comparison!) There's something I find incredibly insincere about her.

Luann looked amazing at Dorinda's gathering! While I wouldn't wear the dress since I consider it "too old" for me, I thought Luann looked beautiful. One thing about her is that she almost always looks fabulous while being completely age appropriate. I'm liking Luann these last few seasons. I've just been re-watching seasons 1-4 and Christ, for many reasons, she was insufferable throughout them particularly with her shoving the Countess shtick down everyone's throats and crawling up Jill's arse season 3/4.

I love Ramona. I can't help it. But then I also love Tre, Vicki, Nene, Lisa V, Phaedra so there's probably something wrong with me! :)

Edited June 7, 2015 by FaithsMum