S02.E09: Conflict

[Tara Ariano]

Clinical psychologist Dr. Joseph Cilona steps in to help the three couples adjust to their new lives and overcome issues that threaten their marriages.

[okerry]

Two things:

1) It's about freakin' time that SOMEBODY stepped in here, especially when it comes to Ryan D. and Jessica.

2) If this is the episode that they're calling "Conflict" -- after watching the last one -- I'd hate to see what else is in store.

[moonxyz]

Too little too late:

1) They should have intervened with Sean & Davina after the honeymoon: Sean going off on the hotel staff  and Davina's attention seeking episodes

2) They should have intervened with Ryan and Jessica after the honeymoon (the trashy fight)

3) They should have intervened with Ryan and Jaclyn after he moved out of the basement

 

Letting things fester leads to resentment, which could destroy a normal couple, let alone strangers who barely know each other. 

 

PS: I always though we weren't allowed to comment before the episode aired?

[Snarklepuss]

I think the last 2-3 episodes could have easily been entitled "Conflict".  As if we haven't seen any yet, LOL.

[Wings]

It seems they will get some counseling to help them this week.  It is a stretch but maybe Ryan will realize that emulating his grandfather's behavior is not going to make a good marriage.  It worked for them, presumably, but it is not working for Jessica.  

[I-Kare]

Okay that was an odd episode. 

 

1) It felt like filler to me and we're already not getting much with the "experiment" being only 6 weeks, so filler felt like a big cheat.

 

and 

 

2) A lot of the sessions had small statements in them that made it seem like we've missed a lot of what's happened between the couples (particularly Davina and Sean and Ryan and Jaclyn), which is irritating. Did anyone else hear the doctor say something to Davina about her being bothered due to Sean questioning why she was picked for him? That hasn't been shown has it? 

 

So yeah, this episode ended up irritating me. 

 

(not even going to touch on Jessica and Ryan because come on)

Edited May 13, 2015 by I-Kare

[Niecy1109]

This episode was irritating.  How could Ryan change his behavior so drastically since last week?!!!! He is a hot-head!!!  He would not change that quick in real life.

 

I commend Jaclyn for being so mature.  I am thoroughly upset with this Ryan because now he wants to be in the "friend" mode!!!!  He's turned into a whiner!!!!  I've lost respect for both Ryans!

 

Sean and Davina....... enough said.....  But just as they show Davina a past tape of herself, they should have done that for both Ryans!!!!

[Gigi43]

Did Jessica tell the therapist Ryan said she thought she was better than people? Last week she said that about Ryan. She expressed am inferiority complex from her last relationship and Ryan does seem to have a superiority complex. That was a WTF.

I don't like Sean. However, I don't agree at all he should "take" everything Davina throws at him. I get that's what she wants, to have her ass kissed, but life doesn't work like that. The therapist also mentioned something about "no matter how often Davina turns him down", didn't we last see Sean turn her down? I thought Davina doesn't want a " weak" man, isn't being a doormat weak?

Ryan and Jac: STOP saying FriendZone!!!

[roamyn]

For Ryan R. To switch up all of a sudden proves to me that alot of this scripted. I, do not think, however, the animosity between Jessica & Douchebag is scripted, though.

[humbleopinion]

Legos and Playmobil are going to sue M@FS for worst product placement.

Sean and Davida actually made playing with them sad and depressing.

[Adeejay]

Ryan was really looking forward to being intimate with Jaclyn, so obviously something happened that turned him off.  I wouldn't be surprise if Jessica and Ryan D were the only couple to stay together. 

[butterly17]

This week looked bleak for Ryan R and Jaclyn.   :-(    

 

You would have never guess how nasty the Ryan D and Jessica fight had been by the way they were acting tonight.

 

Sean and Davina ....  I think she has a point, he just isn't that interested in her thoughts and feelings, because he wants it to be all about Sean and what Sean says, feels and needs all the time.  And Davina needs someone who is confident, and can handle her, instead of her trying to handle them.

[Adeejay]

Sean and Davina ....  I think she has a point, he just isn't that interested in her thoughts and feelings, because he wants it to be all about Sean and what Sean says, feels and needs all the time.  And Davina needs someone who is confident, and can handle her, instead of her trying to handle them.

 

Davina needs someone who is going to worship the ground she walks on; someone who is willing to tell her how wonderful and special she is, each and every day.

Edited May 13, 2015 by Adeejay

[anarchyangel84]

••Davina is so freaking weird & a little creepy.

The way she talks to people- she's a bitch. She wants something from a guy that just isn't possible. Unless her man has no job, no friends, & no family and can focus on HER and JUST HER.

••Since I seen Jessica on that show, I can't take her seriously. Really- what are the odds that BOTH Ryan and Jess were both on shows? I'm new to this show so I don't know how many seasons were before this. I also don't know if there were any "actors" that were matched in previous seasons.

••I like Jaclyn & her Ryan. Ryan's complaining about him being homesick got on my nerves- but no one can do everything right. I really do hope these two make it- but I don't know.

[smiley221]

Davina is not wrong in believing that she is working hard to make Sean happy.   Now, the more she tries the more she pushes him away.  Yes, her initial looking for red flags (expecting Sean to read her mind about her becoming emotional) was off but after that Sean seemed very distant and disengaged.  She isn't being oversensitive.  We don't see Sean being affectionate towards her anymore. The therapist was wrong in throwing that video in her face at this point in the relationship.

Edited May 13, 2015 by smiley221

[sleekandchic]

I agree that this episode was irritating to the max and packed with filler. I also found it to be depressing and b-o-r-i-n-g because it wore its cloak of inauthentic phoniness like a badge of honor.

What are we to believe at this point about these couples? The editing tricks and ridiculously topsy-turvy turnarounds are just not feasible at all. One short session each with Dr C and everyone is back on track?! Lol.

Every one of the newlyweds is suspect to me now. Ryan R (Jaclyn's spouse) seemed sincere and regular when season 2 started, and he probably will get the hero's edit in the end. Several posters here commented that they saw early red flags in Ryan R though because he loved casino life. Tangentially, there was concern that gambling and drinking often (though not always) went hand in hand.

Well did you all check out the card table where Ryan and his buds were chillin while Jaclyn was in Florida? The beer was a-flowing (though the number of bottles was ridiculously inconsistent because of sloppy editing).

IF the RyanR story arc is true and he's not really wanting marriage, I dont think its anything to do with homesickness for his niece, mom and brothers -- or with Jaclyn's personality. I think Ryan was actually enjoying the life he was living as a single guy, and now he knows it. Jaclyn deserves better so she should walk.

Sean......biggest phony baloney EVER. LOVES the sound of his own voice above all else. Shut up please!

Davina........has her issues, but biggest one is Sean. I think she comes across badly because she's feeling duped and used, and she cannot hide her genuine disappointment.

RyanD.......lololol......when a guy needs to constantly remind himself and us that he's "a man, not a boy," then he's not.

Jessica.......too sensitive for this world. I dont understand how she survives show biz auditions where rejection and harsh critiques are a way of life. PLEASE leave Ryan when the six weeks are mercifully done!

Dr C ..........you tried your best tonight; I didnt cringe at your counseling because you were specific, honest and practical in your guidance. Please lose the blazer with that ribbon piping though. Im sure its a designer jacket that cost a bit, but it looks doorman-y, or, maybe, a little circus ringmaster -y. :)........but good job, tonight (I know Ive been rough on the man).

Edited May 13, 2015 by sleekandchic

[HumblePi]

They're all doomed as couples, there's really no more to be said.

[sleekandchic]

I didn't like how Dr. Cilona played that tape with Davina and kind of blamed her for Sean's behavior. I think that Sean isn't authentic and that Davina is having trouble articulating what is wrong and what she is feeling. Dr. C seems to like Sean a lot and he's been saying things about Davina on that baby board that seem to make it seem like he's picked a side. Not a fan of Davina's, but this doesn't seem fair.

Yes, I agree that those moments with Davina seemed like "gotcha," gimipizza. To give Dr C his due in that instance, Im thinking he thought opening Davina's eyes and reminding her of her triggers might help alleviate her doubts and hurt. The HUGE problem though is Sean. He is thoroughly insincere, and the doc doesnt see it. He's buying Seans act, and as long as he does that, Davina is out of luck.

[roamyn]

Davina........has her issues, but biggest one is Sean. I think she comes across badly because she's feeling duped and used, and she cannot hide her ...

Oh, please...

Sean's got issues and hasn't made this easy for Princess Davina, but he's been tespectful of her on social media.

SHE'S the one acting like a jr. High student.

[Janet Snakehole]

The tape bugged the shit out of me too. Not a Davina fan either, but that was so manipulative. I understand that this was a pattern for Davina, but it felt like Dr. C was grasping onto a straw to convince them to stay together.

I may be alone on this, but I did not like Jessica requesting selfish being on the bad word list. Stupid, sure, but I don't think it is verbally abusive to point out selfish behavior.

Agree with everyone that this episode was boring.

[sleekandchic]

What's the general consensus re Davina and Sean's intimate life, as of this episode? I was kind of/sort of getting the impression that Davina is now interested in having a sex life, but Sean has lost interest in that? Were they hinting at that tonight?

God, I hope the sucking-toes preview that blinded us tonight wasnt an example of their foreplay.

[absolutelyido]

I may be alone on this, but I did not like Jessica requesting selfish being on the bad word list. Stupid, sure, but I don't think it is verbally abusive to point out selfish behavior.

 

Yes, it bothered me when she said that she doesn't want him to use that word because she's not selfish. Hate to tell you Jessica, but everyone acts selfishly at some point.

 

I just don't know about Sean and Davina. There's something a little off about both of them. Davina's depiction of their relationship as her constantly having to be supportive of Sean because he's having difficulty adjusting to 'the experiment' does not compute from the 'Moving In" episode when Sean was clearly overwhelmed, and her response was a long list of, "I need you to, I need you to, I need you to...." She's exhausting. And I feel like everything she does is so over thought for how it will appear to others (not just for the cameras, but I think even in her normal life she thinks very, very hard about how she is perceived by other people.) For example the Legos; I think she bought them not because she thought they would be fun, but because she thought people watching would think how cute and fun she is to buy them. 

 

ETA: Also meant to comment on Ryan R. He's a nice guy, but I just find him so dull. I really think he's the kind of guy who would be content living in his mother's basement all his life so he didn't ever have to leave his comfort zone.

Edited May 13, 2015 by absolutelyido

[sleekandchic]

The tape bugged the shit out of me too. Not a Davina fan either, but that was so manipulative. I understand that this was a pattern for Davina, but it felt like Dr. C was grasping onto a straw to convince them to stay together.

I may be alone on this, but I did not like Jessica requesting selfish being on the bad word list. Stupid, sure, but I don't think it is verbally abusive to point out selfish behavior.

Agree with everyone that this episode was boring.

Janet, did you catch how Ryan D REALLY wanted to disagree with Jessica's list and edit it down? Lol. If that scene had been included last week, instead of this week's pretend-laidback Ryan, he probably would have grabbed a butcher knife and attacked the list like a chef at Benihana's! :)

[Janet Snakehole]

I am sure that if the list was brought up last week, some choice words Jessica may have originally missed may have been brought up by Ryan.

Edited May 13, 2015 by Janet Snakehole

[cherry slushie]

Since Jessica and Ryan are actors, I no longer believe their story line.  They did this for exposure to further their careers.

 

Sean has that strange sullenness that comes when a guy wants sex and isn't getting it On the other end, Davina is sullen because she's not getting what she wants, which is a pretty long list at this point.

 

Ryan R. and Jaclyn - The way Ryan is acting is all too familiar because something similar happened to me.  Something turned him off when they had sex.

 

I don't think any of them will stay married, although if I had to choose one couple, maybe Sean and Davina will stick it out a little while longer (read: sex). 

[Snarklepuss]

Okay that was an odd episode. 

 

1) It felt like filler to me and we're already not getting much with the "experiment" being only 6 weeks, so filler felt like a big cheat.

 

and 

 

2) A lot of the sessions had small statements in them that made it seem like we've missed a lot of what's happened between the couples (particularly Davina and Sean and Ryan and Jaclyn), which is irritating. Did anyone else hear the doctor say something to Davina about her being bothered due to Sean questioning why she was picked for him? That hasn't been shown has it?

 

I agree.  I felt like this episode was helping to pad the series out or to make how things really turn out look more "dramatic" at the end.   Like they give us stupid misleading stuff and skip over the real stuff so when they finally show us what happens we're surprised.  Dumb show.

 

Did Jessica tell the therapist Ryan said she thought she was better than people? Last week she said that about Ryan. She expressed am inferiority complex from her last relationship and Ryan does seem to have a superiority complex. That was a WTF.

 

I thought she said she didn't think she was better than other people, as if she was implying that Ryan thinks he's better than other people.  But again, this is coming from her inferiority complex and perhaps a genuine reaction to Ryan's superiority complex, especially to her.

 

Ryan was really looking forward to being intimate with Jaclyn, so obviously something happened that turned him off.  I wouldn't be surprise if Jessica and Ryan D were the only couple to stay together. 

 

I think what happened to turn Ryan R. off is what he said in his talking head - That until they had sex Jaclyn was holding back, but afterwards she suddenly became so into him that it overwhelmed him.  I could imagine that it must have felt a little creepy, desperate and unexpected.  Jaclyn is too much even when she's holding back but to suddenly act like she is THAT into him must have felt like too much all at once.   She was doing OK until then but way to scare a guy by suddenly letting the floodgates open and turning into a clinging vine!  The way she almost swallowed him whole jumping on him and grabbing him with her legs last week said it all!  And she probably ate him up in bed, too.  He already was worried last week about her voracious sexual appetite.   I think this does have something to do with an introvert versus extrovert thing, but I think it goes way beyond extroversion with Jaclyn.   There's like a creepy neediness she has been hiding but couldn't help but let out of the bottle after having sex with him.  It's no wonder Ryan was turned off!

 

What is with the editing on this show? They show an aerial shot of Central Park, and then they show the exterior of Ryan and Jaclyn's house? Way to confuse the viewers.

 

Yeah but it bothers us more because we're New Yorkers, lol.

Edited May 13, 2015 by Snarklepuss

[salvame]

Why does it feel like we're in about week 27 of this six week "experiment?"  *yawn

[Snarklepuss]

IF the RyanR story arc is true and he's not really wanting marriage, I dont think its anything to do with homesickness for his niece, mom and brothers -- or with Jaclyn's personality. I think Ryan was actually enjoying the life he was living as a single guy, and now he knows it. Jaclyn deserves better so she should walk.

 

I think the way Jaclyn is acting at this point would make any guy look like he doesn't want marriage.  Since they had sex she's suddenly coming on way too strong and scaring him away.  I'm starting to feel that this is why he has not stopped whining about being away from the family.  Sure, he enjoyed being single and is having trouble detaching himself from the family, but I think he has genuine reservations about the relationship that are making him have more trouble with letting go of those things. 

Edited May 13, 2015 by Snarklepuss

[Wings]

 

Dr C ..........you tried your best tonight; I didnt cringe at your counseling because you were specific, honest and practical in your guidance. Please lose the blazer with that ribbon piping though. Im sure its a designer jacket that cost a bit, but it looks doorman-y, or, maybe, a little circus ringmaster -y. :)........but good job, tonight (I know Ive been rough on the man).

 

 

I think the word you are searching for is bellhop.   :>)

[Lnmop]

1. Ryan R. Wants to live with mom.

2. Sean wants to go back to his nursing job without the commute.

3. Ryan D. Is an asshole,

None these men or women should have been chosen for this show.

[zxy556575]

I remember the middle episodes last season as being pretty boring, too. There's a lot of anticipation and action around the weddings, honeymoon and moving in together but then a lull until we get the decisions.

 

Okay, yes. Jaclyn's boisterous, extroverted personality would wear on me after a while, but Ryan R is such a ... nothing. He has zero personality. He didn't seem bothered when Jaclyn was keeping him at a distance and didn't push her for sex or take any kind of positive action to try to bring them closer. He didn't respond any better after they had sex. He's not in any way affectionate, spontaneous or fun-loving. He barely smiles. His one tone of voice is monotone, if not outright dolorous. I thought he was at least loyal, stable, and dependable, but no. He cut and ran while Ryan Douche did not. For him to not so much as text Jaclyn while she was out of town was really low.

 

Ryan R = flaccid ass

Ryan D = angry ass

Sean = selfish ass (yeah, Jessica, I said the word)

 

Speaking of asses, Dr. Cilona was so far up Sean's that he could probably see light from the esophagus. Jeez. Way to be impartial.

 

As for the women:

Davina = pouting princess

Jessica = sullen Cinderella

Jaclyn = sales queen

Edited May 13, 2015 by lordonia

[Wings]

Jaclyn came across as genuine and I understood her position.  She is easy going, upbeat and taking this seriously.  I like her.  

[CindyBee]

Jaclyn came across as genuine and I understood her position.  She is easy going, upbeat and taking this seriously.  I like her.  

 

I too like Jaclyn and do agree that she seems genuine.  I felt terrible for her to be basically ignored by Ryan while she was away.  That must have made her feel like total crap, that he reverted back to his single self after they had been intimate.  Not sure if she bought his apology so I guess we'll see if they can salvage any sense of a relationship.  

 

As for the other two couples, I couldn't care less about them.  I find Ryan/Jess to be bad actors and Sean/Davina make me want to gouge out my eyes/ears everytime they are on the screen.   Sigh.

[jamblastx]

Easily the worst episode of the season.  Anyway....

 

• Sean/Davina - All they do is overanalyze themselves and the 'experiment' (for the love of god, I wish this show would stop using that word...it should be on Jessica's list), then they come to the realization that they overanalyze themselves and then.....they overanalyze themselves some more. Zzzzzzz  At least I now know why my marriage didn't work out, my ex wife and I never played with Lego's together
• Basement Ryan/Jaclyn - She may say the right things that she is willing to try but she looks like she has checked out and is done with trying to have a relationship with this man child...I don't blame her.  While I was on her at first for immediately shutting him down when they first met. she did give him a chance to win her over and her complaints that she was not attracted to him was never to his face.  It is certainly understandable when thrust into this situation not to be head over heels in love and/or lust and let that build, but then to be rejected after she does let her guard down is very hurtful.  And I agree with her that Ryan's longing for being back in the bunker with Mom and Kayla is a complete cop out.  If he felt the same way about Jaclyn as she did or as he THOUGHT he did when he was chasing her, he would make it work.  He is NOT that far away from them
• Douchebag Ryan/Jessica - 'If I offended you, I'm sorry'  Really?  'IF'?!  That's like saying 'I said nothing wrong, its just that you are overly sensitive'  And she may be, but not in what we saw last week.  As far as of her list of words that hurt, selfish should not be there but 'stupid'?!  Hell yeah that should be there.  And her thinking that this is going to turn around is delusional.  Oh and her bold statement that 'Everyone who knows me knows that I wanted to get married and divorce is not in my vocabulary'....wow....a 30 year old woman who wants to be married...AND it not ending in divorce?!  Woooaaaahhhh stop the presses!!!  Jeez, that statement is so stupid....oh ;)

Edited May 13, 2015 by jamblastx

[JaneVM]

At this point the show is so boring.  There is nothing to keep these couples together. There are millions of couples who divorce after starting out genuinely loving each other and enjoying each other's company so why is there any hope for the couples on the show long term? Even if they stay together at the 6 week show that means nothing in terms of staying together when the cameras are turned off.

[Snarklepuss]

I think Ryan R., being a more traditional guy, likes to be the one in pursuit.  That's why he was happier when Jaclyn was letting him pursue her.  That plus he strikes me as being more sexually conservative than Jaclyn.  Now that she has become the pursuer and wants what is probably more adventurous sex 3 times a day, Ryan is completely uncomfortable with that.  I try to put myself in Ryan's place.  If a guy came on to me like Jaclyn after playing it cool for several days it would throw me for a loop.  I don't know if I could handle a guy that came on like Jaclyn, to be honest.  And that's a woman's perspective about a man, and women traditionally expect men to be more of the pursuer and more sexually adventurous and voracious!  Imagine the other way around!   That said, Jaclyn is a lovely person.  I hope they find a way to work it out.  Jaclyn still needs to dial it back several notches if she doesn't want to scare him away for good.

[SaucyMommy]

I am losing interest fast in this show. Like the ship is sinking and I'm about to call for a life raft. Last night was bad, boring, and I don't believe for a milli-second Ryan and Jessica are all better. Poof lunch with MIL and it's all ok. And omg I'm sick of hearing them say "I'm not perfect" or whatever cliche that is on their queue cards. And dr c - omg I could have provided better advice.

[mamey2422]

Ryan and Jac: STOP saying FriendZone!!!

 

They also say "growing" a lot which I find hysterical. "We're not growing" or "My goal is for us to continue growing in this relationship." They definitely have their favorite phrases. 

 

 

I am losing interest fast in this show. Like the ship is sinking and I'm about to call for a life raft. Last night was bad, boring, and I don't believe for a milli-second Ryan and Jessica are all better. 

 

I agree with this. I didn't watch last season so I have no frame of reference but I feel like we're being TOLD everything and SHOWN very little. Like there was no discernable change to me in Ryan R.'s behavior so the change in his relationship with Jaclyn and her feeling like he was checking-out didn't carry much weight with me. Davina complains that Sean is not "with her" but we haven't seen that. We never saw her watiing around for him when she expected him or something similar. I find Jessica and Ryan terribly annoying but at least I understand their relationship more because we're actually seeing the things they talk about. It's just been strange for me. 

Edited May 13, 2015 by mamey2422

[SaucyMommy]

I loved how Sean and Davina were just going to have fun - even their fun looked boring. And no serious talks. All they do is talk about their relationship. Sigh

[cardigirl]

Okay, unpopular opinion, but I actually really enjoyed this episode.  I liked Dr. Cilona's advice as well as the cuts from the other experts and thought they did a good job of explaining the ups and downs of marriage, which occur in the most amenable of couples. 

 

Being a reality show, they have cut the filming to make it more dramatic, etc, but this episode I enjoyed to see the couples together.

 

I see hope for all three, but as I have stated before, I had hope for Vaughan and Monet last season and was completely wrong.  Maybe none of the three couples this season will make it.  I don't know.

Edited May 13, 2015 by cardigirl

[Liberty]

OMG

 

So many things wrong at so many levels.  Other forum members have addressed most of them, but still I cannot cover all the ground that needs it.

 

So Sean is now on a first name basis with Dr. Cilona, 

 

It would have taken 5 minutes to catch onto Davina/Sean's little game with the questions. When S asks D something, he wants to answer the question he just asked.  When D asks S something, she wants to be asked the question she just asked.

 

Four weeks of marriage and they still have failed to figure it out.

 

Hey, which couple combines to use the pronoun "I" the most?

Edited May 13, 2015 by Liberty

[Neurochick]

Jessica bores me.  Divorce isn't in her vocabulary?  That sounded silly to me, this isn't the 1950's.

 

 I think what happened to turn Ryan R. off is what he said in his talking head - That until they had sex Jaclyn was holding back, but afterwards she suddenly became so into him that it overwhelmed him.  I could imagine that it must have felt a little creepy, desperate and unexpected.  Jaclyn is too much even when she's holding back but to suddenly act like she is THAT into him must have felt like too much all at once.   She was doing OK until then but way to scare a guy by suddenly letting the floodgates open and turning into a clinging vine!  The way she almost swallowed him whole jumping on him and grabbing him with her legs last week said it all!  And she probably ate him up in bed, too.  He already was worried last week about her voracious sexual appetite.   I think this does have something to do with an introvert versus extrovert thing, but I think it goes way beyond extroversion with Jaclyn.   There's like a creepy neediness she has been hiding but couldn't help but let out of the bottle after having sex with him.  It's no wonder Ryan was turned off!

 

 

Jaclyn came on WAY too strong.  If one flipped the genders, most women would be freaking out if a guy they had sex with suddenly became a clinging vine.  I like Jaclyn but she really needs to chill out.

[SaucyMommy]

Divorce isn't in my vocabulary either.  I don't think that is an outdated notion but rather a view that is lacking sometimes in marriage. To me that tells me she takes it serious. I'm no fan of Jessica, but when she said that I could respect it. No matter what my husband and I go through - Divorce is not an option. 

[Trixie Belden]

So Sean is now on a first name basis with Dr. Cilona, 

 

It would have taken 5 minutes to catch onto Davina/Sean's little game with the questions. When S asks D something, he wants to answer the question he just asked.  When D asks S something, she wants to be asked the question she just asked.

 

 

 

That is PERFECT!  You absolutely nailed their dynamic and how they totally misread each other over and over.  Just watching them on tv talk to each other is exhausting, I can't imagine how it is to actually participate.  Then again, these two seem to looooove talking about themselves, so they probably enjoy it.

 

Jaclyn and Ryan R are making me sad.  That was a total douche move he pulled on her, both pulling away and then not even texting her while she was gone.  This is a woman who has been nothing but kind to him, keeping her negative initial feelings to herself (unlike Jamie who laid on the floor and had a temper tantrum in her wedding dress), reached out to his family at Christmas and really tried to push through the issues she knew that she had, taking those things on herself, rather than putting it all on him.  If he wants to have a traditional male role in the relationship, he needs to talk to her about it and negotiate it, not suddenly go cold.  It has to be incredibly hurtful to open up sexually after 2 years of celibacy and then have the guy just go "uh, on second thought, no thanks".  I really really hope they're being edited for drama and that they are working it all out.

 

Jessica and Ryan D - one therapy session isn't going to scratch the surface of that mess.

[sleekandchic]

At this stage, I would almost find it a relief to learn that all six of these people had secret agenda to get on this show. Otherwise, it's hard for me to understand the behaviors we're seeing. They all knew this wasnt a dating show; it's a marriage-show. Yet all the men, plus Davina, cannot wait to get back to single life; and Jessica is torn between her traditional mindset never to divorce versus her longing to kill Ryan D in his sleep.

Jaclyn is in overdrive, but, at least, she's trying to get in the true spirit of what this show is SUPPOSED to be about.

I realized last night that Davina's friends have disappeared from the show completely.

The experts are the Greek Chorus of The Obvious. The humanist spiritual guru really phones in his THs.

Even if any of the three couples announce success after the eternal six weeks are done, I wont believe them.

P.S. I cannot stand the commercial with Jamie and Doug buying the car, the house, talking about a baby. Its an ad for Experian, right? At first I thought it was just another promo, but then the voiceover intones about responsible use of credit!

[Wings]

There are two parallel conversations going on, one here and one in this thread.   

http://forums.previously.tv/topic/15691-social-media-and-spoiler-y-media/page-6

 

 

At this stage, I would almost find it a relief to learn that all six of these people had secret agenda to get on this show. Otherwise, it's hard for me to understand the behaviors we're seeing.

 

I don't want to repeat myself by posting in both.  The spoiler thread contains some detective work on SM, there are no definitive spoilers like who makes it and who doesn't.  It is an interesting conversation so do not fear going in there thinking you will know the outcome.  

Edited May 13, 2015 by wings707

[Snarklepuss]

I can't really condone Ryan R. not contacting Jaclyn while she was away, but why did she all of a sudden expect him to contact her when she was so busy taking the lead and smothering him before she left?  It makes no sense.  No wonder Ryan is confused.  How is he to know when to turn on the traditional behavior and when to let her take the lead?  I personally think it had to be really bad for Ryan not to contact her in that she smothered him THAT much that he couldn't wait for a break.  He doesn't seem like the kind of guy that would not contact a woman in that situation unless he was really smothered to to an inch of death.  Was he ignoring her attempts to contact him?  I didn't catch that if so.

Edited May 13, 2015 by Snarklepuss

[okerry]

Not one of these so-called experts picked up on what's happening with Ryan R and Jaclyn. It's obvious that she's an extrovert and he's an introvert. That means he's going to need some time alone periodically to recharge. That's what he was doing when she went to Key West. It wasn't personal. It's what an introvert needs, especially when spending a lot of time with a high-energy extrovert like Jaclyn. If they can both understand this and allow for it, they'll do fine.

 

And somebody should tell her to dial back the masculine aggressiveness when she's with her husband. She can be as aggressive as she wants at work, but her husband is not interested in being around another man. He wants to be with a woman. Act like it, Jaclyn! Being a female is a good thing when you're with your husband!

[Snarklepuss]

Not one of these so-called experts picked up on what's happening with Ryan R and Jaclyn. It's obvious that she's an extrovert and he's an introvert. That means he's going to need some time alone periodically to recharge. That's what he was doing when she went to Key West. It wasn't personal. It's what an introvert needs, especially when spending a lot of time with a high-energy extrovert like Jaclyn. If they can both understand this and allow for it, they'll do fine.

 

Amen to your entire post!  But truthfully her over the top extroversion looks a little pathological to me.  I can't help but think it comes from desperation.  It even reminds me a little of the manic phase of manic depression.  (Sorry for the armchair psychology.)  The more she pursues the more he pulls away and then the more she pursues to the point where she's effectively chased him away so bad he won't even contact her when she goes away.  Yikes.

[JennyMominFL]

Not one of these so-called experts picked up on what's happening with Ryan R and Jaclyn. It's obvious that she's an extrovert and he's an introvert. That means he's going to need some time alone periodically to recharge. That's what he was doing when she went to Key West. It wasn't personal. It's what an introvert needs, especially when spending a lot of time with a high-energy extrovert like Jaclyn. If they can both understand this and allow for it, they'll do fine.

 

And somebody should tell her to dial back the masculine aggressiveness when she's with her husband. She can be as aggressive as she wants at work, but her husband is not interested in being around another man. He wants to be with a woman. Act like it, Jaclyn! Being a female is a good thing when you're with your husband!

I agree with the first part totally. I am an introvert with an extrovert husband. I need time to myself to recharge.

I have no idea what the second part even means. I'm not quite sure what  be a woman means. Women  act in many different ways. There are no set rules for being one.