The Crazed Spruce April 10, 2015 Share April 10, 2015 Murdock and Foggy take on a mysterious wealthy client, but Murdock is convinced that there's more to the case than just the facts Link to comment
Actionmage April 10, 2015 Share April 10, 2015 I really enjoyed this episode a lot. We got more of Foggy's ideals for the firm and more of Karen dealing with the aftermath of her situation. The introduction of Ben Urich was neat. I felt for him as he was talking to his editor. Then to the pragmatic angel, Shirley. Mr. Healy was very interesting. His demeanor during the reading of the jury's decision was oddly respectful and reassuring to Matt. I guess, not so odd, but still. An added character note for this kind of character. I think I'm just going to make peace with episode endings not...as I'm used to getting. Which is great, don't get me wrong. I wasn't looking for a unicorn's rainbow farts and a field of daisies and chocolate chip cookies. Like with Hannibal, I will have to face my squeamishness and deal with my ish. Glad I have a chance to do so! 2 Link to comment
Eegah April 10, 2015 Share April 10, 2015 I'm starting to find it a bit amusing that they feel free to throw in all the blood and gore they want, but any profanity more severe than "shit" (in stark contrast to every other Netflix show) is where they get squeamish. 1 Link to comment
WendyCR72 April 10, 2015 Share April 10, 2015 I'm starting to find it a bit amusing that they feel free to throw in all the blood and gore they want, but any profanity more severe than "shit" (in stark contrast to every other Netflix show) is where they get squeamish. Maybe because ABC Studios is one of the backers. Its shows (like Castle) tend to be softer and play it safe. Which is kind of stupid when you have more freedom not being on broadcast. Link to comment
90PercentGravity April 11, 2015 Share April 11, 2015 I don't know the name of the guy in the suit, but for some reason he reminds me of Liam Neeson. The show is definitely more violent than I expected, but I don't mind. Nice to finally see VD'O. I was starting to think I imagined seeing his name in the credits. Link to comment
WendyCR72 April 11, 2015 Share April 11, 2015 Three words: Eye. Socket. Ewww. Three more: Hello, Wilson Fisk. Speaking of Fisk, he's a villain. He's evil, when it comes down to it, but...when he said the Rabbit In A Snowstorm painting made him feel alone, I had a moment of sympathy for the guy. Damn. Clearly, I have issues. :-) 7 Link to comment
thuganomics85 April 11, 2015 Share April 11, 2015 Yeah, that ending for the perp was brutal, but really shows the fear Wilson Fisk brings out of people. I mean, resorting to that over what he could potentially do to you and your love ones? Ouch! They've really done a great job at building up the Frisk character, despite being off screen for the majority of these episodes. But, now he is finally here! Loved him in the art gallery. Can't wait to see what he brings, although I hope we still get his henchman, because he's fun too. And, I'm curious about this character played by Ayelet Zurer, and if she is going to stick around. Really loving this Ben character. Always a sucker for the whole "Reporter who wants to keep the news real, but has to deal with the changing tide of fluff pieces" arcs. Plus, the actor really did a good job here. And I like that it looks like he and Karen are going to be interacting and exposing what the company did to her. I'm glad that Karen isn't just going to be stuck as Matt/Foggy's secretary, but will be having her own story-lines. Even though the case was mainly just part of Fisk's big plan, it was still fun seeing how Foggy and Matt performance in court, and what they consider their strengths. Not surprised they seem to go the "Foggy opens, while Matt closes" route. Foggy's natural likability is good for making the jury feel comfortable, while Matt brings it home, by just stating the facts in a firm, but calm matter. Although, he can crack jokes with the best of them, like with the pornography line. Amused that the judge had a "WTF?" look on her, while everyone else laughed. Still loving the fight scenes. Even though Matt wins, it still feels more realistic then normal, and that he really earns the victories. Enjoyed the episode, even if it was a bit slower then other two. I think this was one of those things were being on Netflix helps, because it might have been more frustrating if I had to wait another week to see what happens next, but instead, I can just catch episode 4 tonight! Yay, Netflix! 4 Link to comment
benteen April 11, 2015 Share April 11, 2015 (edited) Great episode! I used to work in a bowling alley so seeing the opening fight break out there was cool and it was a cool/different location for one to happen. The actor playing Healy was very good. Matt's closing argument was excellent and I've been enjoying the legal stuff. Interesting play for him to take this case. The Karen storyline is intriguing. I like the Ben character too and I'm glad they kept him as a newspaper reporter. And welcome to the show, Mr. Fisk! Edited April 11, 2015 by benteen Link to comment
kieyra April 11, 2015 Share April 11, 2015 I really hate to be that poster, but so far the show seems like a bit of a sausage fest. I think I've been spoiled by so many "strong female roles" on television lately, which I suppose on balance is a good thing. It just makes the lack of non-victim females so far feel a little weird. 2 Link to comment
The Crazed Spruce April 11, 2015 Author Share April 11, 2015 I really hate to be that poster, but so far the show seems like a bit of a sausage fest. I think I've been spoiled by so many "strong female roles" on television lately, which I suppose on balance is a good thing. It just makes the lack of non-victim females so far feel a little weird.Keep watching. I don't think any woman on this show has been strictly a victim. 6 Link to comment
Chaos Theory April 11, 2015 Share April 11, 2015 As much as I like shows with strong females, if the show is good I don't necessarily need them. That being said the females on the show so far have hardly been weak. I am only three episodes in so I am willing to give the show time to impress me and this show does far more then Arrow ever did. I think it was a good idea to keep Fisk off the show until this point. He been the "He who must not be named" character up until now and the fact that someone named him of course means his death because it looks like there is far worse things then death in this world....and I kinda dig that. 2 Link to comment
enchantingmonkey April 12, 2015 Share April 12, 2015 (edited) Wendy Moniz! Love her. Perception is a curious thing. While Karen Page may have been victimized in the first episode, she's certainly showing some backbone in pursuing the Union Allied thing. Claire was no victim. What about all the men that got their asses kicked? I like how they're touching on the consequences, or potential for them, of seemingly heroic acts. Finding out Fisk's name isn't a happy ending. Ripple effects. Edited April 12, 2015 by enchantingmonkey 4 Link to comment
readster April 12, 2015 Share April 12, 2015 Great work introducing Ben Urich and Fisk at the end. That opening was really shocking. You felt bad for guy but at the end, he knew what was the right choice to protect his family. I actually liked this being less Daredevil fight until the end and actually working the court scene more. I was afraid we would be waiting longer for some nice court drama. Always loved that aspect of Daredevil, Owsley continues to be great. Link to comment
Silly Angel April 12, 2015 Share April 12, 2015 I kept hearing "Mr. F" from Arrested Development in my head. 2 Link to comment
Kel Varnsen April 13, 2015 Share April 13, 2015 Wendy Moniz! Love her. Perception is a curious thing. While Karen Page may have been victimized in the first episode, she's certainly showing some backbone in pursuing the Union Allied thing. eroic acts. I would say that Karen has had backbone from the start when a guard in jail tried to kill her and she gouged one of his eyes out. The amount of of blood and real violence is really interesting on this show. I am used to super hero stuff having fight scenes, but i don't think i have ever seen real effects of it. That broken arm in the bowling alley fight with the exposed bone was brutal. And then the guy gets his head smashed in and you seen the blood splatter. The introduction of Ben Urich was interesting. The conversation with him and that mobster guy was well done. I didn't know 100% what were talking about, but it really effectively conveyed that things are changing in the underworld and it is bad. Tied together nicely with the guy at the end having to kill himself. Althouhg i sort of mentioned in the last episode thread, too bad he couldn't be working for the Daily Bugle. I am curious to see why his wife needs medical care though. 5 Link to comment
enchantingmonkey April 13, 2015 Share April 13, 2015 That broken arm in the bowling alley fight with the exposed bone was brutal. Do you watch The Americans? It made me think of them trying to get Annalise in the suitcase. Ugh. Link to comment
tennisgurl April 13, 2015 Share April 13, 2015 Do you watch The Americans? It made me think of them trying to get Annalise in the suitcase. Ughhhh! I`m trying so hard to forget that! Such a great episode. The gore is pretty intense, but I think it works in this story. Its the tough, hard world that exists underneath the super hero hijinks. Link to comment
enchantingmonkey April 13, 2015 Share April 13, 2015 Ughhhh! I`m trying so hard to forget that! Good luck with that! Muahahahahahahaha! ;) 3 Link to comment
Danny Franks April 13, 2015 Share April 13, 2015 This was an interesting episode. Beginning with that rather gruesome, bone-breaking fight in the bowling alley (okay, I'll admit it, I'm squeamish as hell about graphic violence. I don't enjoy it at all), and I may have missed some details but I'm just not sure what the goal was. Wesley and Fisk wanted to get rid of Prohaska, so they got Healy to take him out. Did they want it to get messy and for him to get caught? Did they plan it all so that they could get a read on Matt and Foggy? Seems a bit of a stretch. I prefer to think Healy just lost control of the situation and, instead of panicking and running when he heard the police sirens, he just assessed his situation and realised that he had a pretty good shot at a self defence... defence. A genuine professional criminal, as was made clear through the rest of the episode. I guess Wesley just took the opportunity to run his eye over Nelson & Murdock, which seems smart of him. It was cool to see them working as actual lawyers as well, because it's important to establish Matt's job as a big part of who he is. He shouldn't lose himself in the vigilante side of things, and the show shouldn't neglect the lawyer side. It also gives Foggy something to do other than crack jokes, and I like the dynamic they have between practical and idealistic, affable and authoritative. They work well as a pairing. This version of Ben Urich is cool too. A jaded old reporter, losing his readers to bloggers and twitter-hacks who don't do one tenth of the work. As someone who has real distaste for that sort of immediate-but-unverified, chinese whispers style 'news', I sided with Ben and his boss in a big way. And I like that Karen is not letting go of this. That she wants to expose the people who tried to kill her, and who did kill her co-worker. She's willing to stick her neck out to see them pay, and it's likely to be a tough learning curve for her, as she realises just how ruthless these people are. Oh, and then there was that last fight scene, and the rather pointed ending to it. Yuck. Did I say already that I don't like graphic violence? I was expecting him to kill himself, with all his 'you don't get it. I'm a dead man' stuff, but I expected him to pull a gun and shoot himself, not impale his own face on an iron spike. Plus, we got introduced to Wilson Fisk himself, and D'Onofrio looks every inch the part. Big, coarse, intimidating, but also oddly appealing. If first appearances are anything to go by, he'll be a very intriguing villain. Also, that conversation between Ben and the mobster, where Rigoletto was mentioned. Rigoletto was the guy who the guard who tried to kill Karen owed money to. So it seems that Fisk may have had him killed just to take over his book, which he may only have wanted to be able to put the squeeze on the guard. Talk about using a hammer to crack a nut! 3 Link to comment
Kel Varnsen April 14, 2015 Share April 14, 2015 One thing i really liked about the fight at the end is it showed how Matt's powers only give him a slight edge, It didn't turn him into Captain America,but his powers plus training make him good enough to beat up most untrained criminals. Hell a bunch of regular MCU humans we have met could probably beat him in a fight. I'm thinkin Black Widow, Hawkeye, Mockingbird and Melinda May all probably could. But most criminals probably don't bother with the extensive martial arts training. 1 Link to comment
Way Wes Jr April 14, 2015 Share April 14, 2015 Last episode I thanked them for not going the, "36 hours earlier," route ... and then, no ... wait, it was just a standard flashback - whose primary purpose was assigning a fan-boy name to Turk. Nice fake out. As part of a (slow) binge-watch, I didn't mind this being a slightly 'slower' episode. It allowed us to see a little bit more of the legal practice of Nelson & Murdock, and allowed time to introduce Ben, and expand on Karen's character. Healy was (understandably) despondent over giving out Wilson Fisk's name, but damn, that took commitment. 1 Link to comment
paigow April 18, 2015 Share April 18, 2015 Is there a connection between Daniel's wife and the Art Gallery woman with Fisk? Link to comment
VCRTracking April 18, 2015 Share April 18, 2015 I think the art gallery woman is supposed to be Vanessa, who is the Kingpin's wife in the comics. I guess this is how they met since Wilson said he was lonely. Wow, that ending was brutal. I knew it was going to be one of those situations where the guy would rather die than face whatever consequences are for giving up the big bad's name but daaaaaamn. 1 Link to comment
Boundary April 22, 2015 Share April 22, 2015 Keep watching. I don't think any woman on this show has been strictly a victim. Even frail old women aren't victims, lol! Link to comment
Primetimer April 23, 2015 Share April 23, 2015 Will the masked vigilante make a habit of pounding nonviolent offenders? Read the story Link to comment
John Abides April 23, 2015 Share April 23, 2015 (edited) A jaded old reporter, losing his readers to bloggers and twitter-hacks who don't do one tenth of the work. As someone who has real distaste for that sort of immediate-but-unverified, chinese whispers style 'news', I sided with Ben and his boss in a big way. All well and good, but this is 2015! I feel like the news organization side of the show is taking place in 2005 when Youtube launched and people are thinking this internet thing might be the real deal. Today, are loads of great investigative journalism joints to be had online. Even Buzzfeed runs deeply reported stories. There has to be a media outlet interested in following the paper trail of a failed company with possible criminal connections. For example, ProPublica has been looking into how the Red Cross allocated funds during hurricane Sandy. Also, it appears you don't side with Ben's bosses. They are chasing the gossip and aren't interested deeply reported stuff. That's why Ben's grumpy with Beardy-man. Still, I dig the show and Ben's character. I've binged all the way through already but am considering a weekly rewatch to keep fresh with Jeff's write-ups. edit. Rare poster, had to fix my quotations. Edited April 23, 2015 by John Abides 1 Link to comment
Danny Franks April 26, 2015 Share April 26, 2015 All well and good, but this is 2015! I feel like the news organization side of the show is taking place in 2005 when Youtube launched and people are thinking this internet thing might be the real deal. Today, are loads of great investigative journalism joints to be had online. Even Buzzfeed runs deeply reported stories. There has to be a media outlet interested in following the paper trail of a failed company with possible criminal connections. For example, ProPublica has been looking into how the Red Cross allocated funds during hurricane Sandy. Yeah, it did feel a little dated for Ben to be so grumpy about bloggers and the like, especially in the modern, post-Avengers world. Perhaps the Marvel Universe just held on to traditional journalism for longer than ours. Honestly, it's not HuffPost and the likes that annoy me so much as these 'journalists' who tweet one sentence 'exclusives' and get the credit. I feel there's a romance to investigative journalism of the likes of Woodward and Bernstein, and it makes me sad to think that, today, a story like that might be broken via twitter, with all the facts only being verified later. 2 Link to comment
Capricasix May 6, 2015 Share May 6, 2015 Wendy Moniz (whom I loved on Guiding Light back in the day!) is married to Frank Grillo, who played the lead Hydra heavy in Winter Soldier. Link to comment
supposebly November 1, 2015 Share November 1, 2015 Turk: "...or my name is not Turk Barrett" Flashback: gun jams. Me: Now I'm wondering if his name is really not Turk Barrett. Alas, I don't think this show is funny like that. Liked Fisk's intro (I always had a weird thing for D'Onofrio), saw Healy's suicide coming from a mile away, and throughout the episode I was wondering whether Karen had told the boys what was going on with her own investigation. Because I HATE when characters don't tell each other important plot points. It's such lazy writing. Urich's story so far feels like a throwback to whenever blogs seemed to be a new thing and twitter didn't exist. So far, that's the boring part. His conversation at the beginning made me think of Gotham and Falcone who claimed stability comes from the stability a strong mob boss with rules provides. All of this feels very dated. Someone is messing with the wi-fi, I'm sure. Why Foggy didn't wig out completely right away when Wesley wouldn't tell them his name makes me not take him too seriously as a lawyer, despite the degrees and such. Pragmatic but stupid side-kick is not anything really new. Having said all that, I'm still watching. Actually, so far, I liked this one the best. Although I also hate that trope of superhero just deciding what is going to be done and side-kick is annoyed but doesn't mind too much. Link to comment
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