S02.E05: The Holidays

[trashjunkie]

Further proof that Jessica is kind and gracious. She didn't laugh or shrink back in terror! She says "its nice!" convincingly. Maybe she can add it to her audition reel.

 

She would have been well within her rights to call it "trash".

 

My husband kept repeating, "That clown's gotta go, that sad clown's gotta go!"  Cracked me up.

[Whistler]

I am confused.  When Sean told that story, I sensed that this wasn't a serious girlfriend, rather a hook up who got pregnant and called Sean, and then called and said she miscarried.  

Read posts from JerseyNurse at bachandbachettefans.net/t2909p288-married-at-first-sight-season-2-sean-varricchio-davina-kullar-sleuthing-spoilers to get first-hand information about Sean. This *was* a pregnancy from a hookup and *not* a relationship. The poster JerseyNurse is a nurse and works with Sean in the ER.

[cardigirl]

Maybe I am remembering last season incorrectly, but I was surprised that the couples came back from the honeymoons and went to their own houses.  It sounded like they went for several days.  I was kind of surprised by that.  I thought last year they made moving in together decisions right away? 

 

Anyway, this whole season seems less "strict" than last year?  I don't know if that is the right term.  I just mean that the couples are all acting less like they are married to each other, and more like "it's only for five weeks."  Anybody else feel that way?

[Snarklepuss]

If not for the situation with his mom and niece, Ryan R. doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would be living at home right now.  I was under the impression he was there for the family, so it's not like he was doing it for no reason.  In fact, he seems to me to be too independent to have never lived away from home.  I get the impression that he lived away and came back because his family needed him, which speaks volumes about his character.

 

Anyway, this whole season seems less "strict" than last year?  I don't know if that is the right term.  I just mean that the couples are all acting less like they are married to each other, and more like "it's only for five weeks."  Anybody else feel that way?

 

I didn't see last season but I feel that way anyway.  I feel like the show pushed the bit about how they can get a divorce if they're not happy with it so they're all going through the motions until they have to render a decision after 6 weeks.

 

Regarding the sad clown picture - My grandma crocheted a hideous red and white granny square blanket that clashes with everything in my house.  I loved my grandma and cherish everything of hers that I have (most of it is beautiful) but this one item is my least favorite.  I would never display it in my house no matter how sentimental it is.  I keep it in my linen closet where I can see it but not have to display it.  Now if it were the only item of hers I had I might feel differently.  But then again if my grandma had painted that tacky picture there's no way in hell I'd ever display it in my house under any circumstances.

[absolutelyido]

Maybe I am remembering last season incorrectly, but I was surprised that the couples came back from the honeymoons and went to their own houses.  It sounded like they went for several days.  I was kind of surprised by that.  I thought last year they made moving in together decisions right away?

 

I think they are just dragging things out a bit longer in the episodes this season, but the actual timeline is pretty much the same as  S1. Last season they showed Jamie visiting Doug's parents home after the honeymoon and Doug was still living there. Then they showed Doug seeing Jamie's NYC apartment for the first time. They also showed Monet going to Vaughn's apartment in NJ when they were deciding where to live.

[cardigirl]

I remember that, absolutelyido, but I don't remember them being apart for a night or two. I guess they were.

[B3cky50]

Thoughts:

Someone upthread mentioned how alarming it was to hear Davina say that she and Shawn were a 'perfect match' -- I too, found this strange, but listening back to it, that sentence was very disjointed and they didnt show her mouth when we heard that sound bite. I am pretty positive it was edited together. For all we know, she said the wine he picked was the perfect match for her TOMATILLO salsa.

Also - seeing the "trashy" argument between Jessica and Ryan again - I cant remember verbatim, but I got the vibe that they had had the argument already and he believed it was over. Then she brought it up again in the restaurant (probably as instructed by production) for the camera and that was why he was angry.

Does anyone agree? I forget what he said exactly, but something like "I'm not going to do this AGAIN." And, "I am done with this" -- made me believe he was ambushed by it after he thought it had been resolved privately.

[B3cky50]

And OMG, can we talk about the awful, cheesy, pop Christmas "music" leading into every scene after commercials? WTF was that??

"It's Christmas eve..... I've got my red hat on!"

Yikes. Is it a producer's daughter or something, trying to make her big break??

I looked up the credits to see if maybe it was Gia Giudice's god awful girl group's song because it was THAT BAD.

[girlplease]

In light of the miscarriage reveal, among other things, I'm getting the vibe from Sean that he thinks he can sort of fast-forward past the emotionally difficult things in life - like if he just keeps talking he can bluff himself into a real relationship. He isn't interested in actually putting in the work. For some reason it really bothered me how he barely acknowledged the fish feast Davina brought him - he just brushed past it so they could get to whatever he had planned (showing off his house). It's all about him.

I have nothing good to say about Ryan and Jessica. He doesn't know how to apologize. I feel like the fight must have been much worse than what we saw - they both seem pretty messed up about it.

Tickled to see that Jaclyn gave the gift of booze (a girl after my own heart!) and I thought she was genuinely sweet and affectionate with Ryan's mom and niece. She seems like a demonstrative person. They continue to be my favorite couple just by their sheer normalcy. Also, Ryan kept saying "my wife" in a vaguely Borat way... listen for it! :D

How weird is it that "mom's basement" almost seems like the best living situation? I guess when the others in the running are "sad clown" and "metrosexual"... (Sean, I do not think that means what you think it means.)

Edited April 16, 2015 by girlplease

[Snarklepuss]

Also - seeing the "trashy" argument between Jessica and Ryan again - I cant remember verbatim, but I got the vibe that they had had the argument already and he believed it was over. Then she brought it up again in the restaurant (probably as instructed by production) for the camera and that was why he was angry.

Does anyone agree? I forget what he said exactly, but something like "I'm not going to do this AGAIN." And, "I am done with this" -- made me believe he was ambushed by it after he thought it had been resolved privately.

 

I hadn't seen it that way but now that you mention it, I think you might be right.  I think a lot of this show is set up, staged and scripted and I would not be surprised at all if this is exactly what happened.  Not that I want to find reasons to let Ryan Douche off the hook for anything but it would kind of make his reaction a bit more understandable under those circumstances.

 

 

Tickled to see that Jaclyn gave the gift of booze (a girl after my own heart!) and I thought she was genuinely sweet and affectionate with Ryan's mom and niece. She seems like a demonstrative person. They continue to be my favorite couple just by their sheer normalcy. Also, Ryan kept saying "my wife" in a vaguely Borat way... listen for it! :D

How weird is it that "mom's basement" almost seems like the best living situation? I guess when the others in the running are "sad clown" and "metrosexual"... (Sean, I do not think that means what you think it means.)

 

I thought it was a hoot when Jaclyn gave Ryan that steamer, but to be honest, who would give that kind of gift to a guy you basically just got involved with?  I would have thought she'd go for something more personal or romantic.  People have been getting down on Ryan for getting her that fugly leopard print bag but I think perhaps the steamer was a worse let down for saying "You're still in the friend zone".  OK, I'm all for getting stuff like that from hubbie but we have been married for 35 years and we are way beyond the romantic phase of gift giving (although we can surprise each other that way even now), but for them?  I dunno, it just doesn't make sense to me.  Maybe he was complaining about packing wrinkles all through the honeymoon?  Even so, it still kind of bugs me.  He got her a nice necklace, which she seemed really touched to get.  I don't remember seeing him so touched.

 

And Sean - I still no way believe he decorated that apartment.  He can't possibly have a set of testicles and have made the place look like grandma's house, not even if he were Liberace.  I am a 56 year old woman and even I could not have decorated that, LOL.  He is just too creepy for words.

Edited April 16, 2015 by Snarklepuss

[biakbiak]

but to be honest, who would give that kind of gift to a guy you basically just got involved with?  I would have thought she'd go for something more personal or romantic.

 

I guess people are different, I wouldn't give anything personal or romantic to someone I had just got involved with because I don't know them well enough to know what would be personal or romantic. But hell I love the hell out of my steamer, so maybe I am just more into practical gifts!

[coloradoqt]

I didn't have a problem with Ryan buying the leopard bag..He said he didn't know what to buy. I think he believed a salesgirl in a boutique Christmas eve,had to know something.When he said she liked leopard and she goes "let me show you this leopard purse" i'm sure he thought he had hit the jackpot..I also thought the green shopping bag on Xmas eve, was a little strange..I'm glad he knew enough not to buy one of those dresses,the sales girl kept pulling out. His Mom ask is it imported because she thought it was wine.

Edited April 16, 2015 by coloradoqt

[moonxyz]

This show is loooking more and more staged with every passing episode. They stage so many of the scenes and the miscarriage talk just confirmed this for me, And I belivee that most of the participants rehearse their lines. Ryan R is probably the only one who doesn't do that.

[Snarklepuss]

I guess people are different, I wouldn't give anything personal or romantic to someone I had just got involved with because I don't know them well enough to know what would be personal or romantic. But hell I love the hell out of my steamer, so maybe I am just more into practical gifts!

 

More personal gifts for a guy don't have to involve knowing him that well.  An old fashioned shaving set from "The Art of Shaving" or a good quality designer wallet, or even the latest techno. object like a laptop or quality case for his laptop, or a thoughtful newfangled car mount for his i-phone could qualify as personal gifts for a guy you don't know that well but want to.  Those things are more appealing to a guy generally than cleaning devices.  Unless Ryan was going on about having a lot of wrinkles but even then I just don't see it as essentially your first gift to a guy.  I think if the shoe were on the other foot and Ryan gave something like that to Jaclyn she wouldn't have been so happy having it come from someone she was looking to have a romantic relationship with.   Appliances routinely make the list of gifts a man should never buy for a woman.  I think she would like the steamer, but that's what she likes when she buys for herself, not what lovers male or female generally want to get from a fresh romantic interest.  I think she was trying to sell him on an idea she likes, not buy something he would like.  I also think it was yet another instance of her throwing up blocks to romance between them.  She might as well have turned on the cold shower herself.  I think he was more on the right track getting her the jewelry and purse even if he didn't get the purse style quite right.  He'd have been better off getting her a hot designer name bag.  Things that make the worst gift list for men include anything overly gadgety and home cleaning oriented, which I could see Ryan seeing the steamer as being.

Edited April 16, 2015 by Snarklepuss

[MsPH]

Jaclyn didn't just give Ryan the steamer, she also got him some cologne he liked and a bottle of something, not sure what. So it was both practical and personal. I thought it was rude to laugh at the purse too, but at least she acknowledged it was the wrong reaction. Maybe she'll wear it in "a few years".

[girlplease]

It looked like she got him a bottle of wine and... wait for it... Tito's vodka! I thought the steamer was sweet because she explained that he wouldn't have to take his clothes to the cleaners because she was his wife now and would steam them for him.

The leopard purse... well, that's what comes from doing your shopping on Christmas Eve. Still, his intentions were good.

[okerry]

I think the show is bringing out all this pathetic stuff about Sean because they think we'll feel sorry for him and be rooting for him.

 

But it seems to be backfiring. He just looks like some kind of emotionally unstable nut case, what with the sad bullying stories and the pregnant hook-up who miscarried and the almost-immediate jumping into marriage with a total stranger.

 

I'm not sure Sean is gay. From his THs at the beginning, and the other hints he's dropped, he sounds like he was a real manwhore for women for a long time. This didn't raise any red flags with the experts? Most of these guys with a high "body count" have a hard time settling down, even when they *say* they want to, because they've learned that there's always something new right around the corner.

 

And it's very hard for a wife/long-term girlfriend to compete with an extensive history like that. He's always going to have somebody else who was better at this/that/the other thing than the current one and can't help but compare them, even when he tries not to. (I speak from experience on this one.)

 

Sean sounds like someone who needed extensive counseling to figure out what he really wants from a relationship. Instead, he got Davina. Nice going, experts. (And it's not fair to her, either, to stick her with a guy like this.)

 

P.S. Ryan D doesn't apologize because he's not sorry. Period.

[Drogo]

Men are harder to buy gifts for because we tend to buy what we want when we want it if we can afford it, whereas it seems women (ex: my wife, my mother) are more rational about spending their own money and don't mind waiting to receive said luxury item as a gift/treat. 

 

I actually thought the steamer was cute and well-played, since one of the first things I remember her saying during their honeymoon was that she could steam his clothes for him.  Also, as others have mentioned, it wasn't the only gift. 

 

Last Christmas, my wife gave me two eBay'd dice from the (closed) Sahara Hotel in Vegas where we stayed when we went to the Marine Corps ball twelve years ago, right when we met, before we'd even been intimate- not so different from these folks' situation.  I wanted to play craps but I didn't, because she was too young to be in the casino back then.  The card said "Thanks for never leaving my side."    Best gift I ever got, so I see potential in the steamer.   

 

 

P.S. Ryan D doesn't apologize because he's not sorry. Period.

 

I felt bad for Ryan D. during Trashygate.  Seemed more to me that Jessica heard what she wanted to hear ("you're trashy") after she didn't get the reaction she was hoping for over her big reveal ("OMG I love that piece of metal you normally have in your face! Why didn't you wear it to the wedding? Should I get one too?") - because he seemed pretty confused about her being upset. 

 

Also, because I believe the bottom-feeding producers would be sure to show us the footage outside if it corroborated Jessica's "Ryan's a D-Bag" story. 

Edited April 16, 2015 by Drogo

[CindyBee]

I agree too. Its not like he's living in his childhood bedroom, he's got the basement fixed up like a little apartment. He's probably the only one of his family who isn't married so he's the logical one to be at home and help his mother out. Good for him, I say. It shows his kind heart and loyal nature. And his mother cracked me up completely with her "is it IMPORTED?" when she opened her gift from Jacklyn. I don't know why, but that just struck me so funny!

 

 

 

I forgot to reply back to this yesterday but totally loved the "IS IT IMPORTED!?" from Mama Ryan too.     Laughed and laughed at her joy/wonder at receiving her pretty bottle!

 

Of all the parents that have been on this show, something about her has struck a cord with me.  I guess its cause it seems like she's a good soul and the difficulty she has faced the past few years.     IF Jaclyn & Ryan do end up staying together long term, the fact that Mama Ryan has been so open and welcoming has played a part, IMHO. 

[JapMo]

"This show is loooking more and more staged with every passing episode. They stage so many of the scenes and the miscarriage talk just confirmed this for me, And I belivee that most of the participants rehearse their lines. Ryan R is probably the only one who doesn't do that."

I totally don't see that.

[Snarklepuss]

It looked like she got him a bottle of wine and... wait for it... Tito's vodka! I thought the steamer was sweet because she explained that he wouldn't have to take his clothes to the cleaners because she was his wife now and would steam them for him.

The leopard purse... well, that's what comes from doing your shopping on Christmas Eve. Still, his intentions were good.

 

I didn't remember seeing the cologne but now that it was mentioned, yes.  Only the bottle of Tito's was about her, not him.  I think she could have left the steamer out and would have been better off.  Just like he could have gone shopping earlier than Christmas eve so he wouldn't end up with that bag.  I didn't like the way she acted about the bag.  It was teasing in a not so nice way, like she's trying to create a romantic "don't trespass" sign on herself not to let him too close.  I am sure the guy would be sensitive to that this early in their relationship and given how relatively insecure he must be feeling not being sure if she is ever going to dig him in a romantic sense.

 

She pushed the steamer as a way to show him she would do it for him?  I don't quite get that, nor do I really buy that she meant it.  I think she was pouring it on thick.  I don't see her as the type to stay home and iron a guy's clothes.  I would never give my husband a gift and say I'd be steaming his clothes for him from now on.  I might do it sometimes anyway but be careful what you say you'll do early on in a relationship.  If you can't deliver it later on you set up expectations in your partner that you will only fall short of.  My husband promised to clean up after himself generally in our house when we first got married but he is not naturally a neat person and so he never could live up to that (not even close).  I ended up disappointed and a bit upset that he said he'd do something but could not deliver.

 

ETA:  Didn't Jaclyn say to Ryan that she had the same steamer herself?  Why would she need to buy him one of his own then if she already had one?  Unless they're planning on living apart for at least part of the time.

Edited April 16, 2015 by Snarklepuss

[Snarklepuss]

When I saw that pic I thought of the "Sad Crying Clown in an Iron Lung" from Rocko's Modern Life...

 

I thought of the tacky 1960s and 70s popular art, "Sad Clown on Velvet".  Too creepy for words.

[Passthepopcorn]

Ryan is 28 so not that "old" to be still living at home, especially considering the circumstances surrounding his home life with his mom & Kayla.

I have no problem with multigenerational homes. As long as he is hardworking, independent and respectful. What he is doing for his family is very loving.

And they are working together to find their own place somewhere in the middle of both families. So all good.

[cerealboxkilla]

It feels more and more like I'm watching The Bachelor or some other superficial reality dating show. Not to say the first season wasn't superficial, but I'm just not jiving with this particular group of people, especially how they were matched. I think Ryan Douchebag/Jessica is the worst pairing because they are so obviously the complete opposite of each other. In this episode, there was a scene where Jessica was knocking on Ryan's door and he goes, "Who is it?" And she responds all exasperated with, "It's me; why can't you just look through the window?" She didn't even get the joke! Jessica is uber sensitive, a crybaby, gullible, doesn't take jokes well. How could the experts think she was a good pairing for fun!douchebag Ryan? It's so obvious they're trying to orchestrate from Vaughn/Monet type disasters or something. At least last season was more earnest. I don't know.

Edited April 16, 2015 by cerealboxkilla

[JapMo]

"I think Ryan Douchebag/Jessica is the worst pairing because they are so obviously the complete opposite of each other. In this episode, there was a scene where Jessica was knocking on Ryan's door and he goes, "Who is it?" And she responds all exasperated with, "It's me; why can't you just look through the window?" She didn't even get the joke!"

EXACTLY. It's a joke people say to each other all the time when they know who is on the other side of the door. I expected her to laugh. I didn't think she sounded exasperated but she seemed taken aback that he asked.

[moonxyz]

It feels more and more like I'm watching The Bachelor or some other superficial reality dating show. Not to say the first season wasn't superficial, but I'm just not jiving with this particular group of people, especially how they were matched. I think Ryan Douchebag/Jessica is the worst pairing because they are so obviously the complete opposite of each other. In this episode, there was a scene where Jessica was knocking on Ryan's door and he goes, "Who is it?" And she responds all exasperated with, "It's me; why can't you just look through the window?" She didn't even get the joke! Jessica is uber sensitive, a crybaby, gullible, doesn't take jokes well. How could the experts think she was a good pairing for fun!douchebag Ryan? It's so obvious they're trying to orchestrate from Vaughn/Monet type disasters or something. At least last season was more earnest. I don't know.

 

Ryan is always "Just joking". He was "Just joking" when he destroyed the towel arrangement. Again he was "just joking" when he threw her off the kayak twice. Another "just joking" moment was making the jet ski crash intentionally. He "joked" again when he indirectly called her stupid.

 

He warmed up with these "jokes" and went for the kill with the trashy comment. If I were Jess, I wouldn't accept any of his "jokes" cause he has no boundaries. Sensitive or not, I can see why she would want to cut all the shit out. 

[Passthepopcorn]

All in all I liked this episode, because you can see the small steps everybody is doing to make things work. Everybody at this point wants to make it work.

 

 Of all six, I think that the most difficult person to succeed in a relationship is Davina. She seems very difficult to get through, very guarded, ready to attack at the slightest smell of a threat. She said she knows she sabotages herself. I don't know what is going to take for someone to earn her trust.

I was quite shocked at her lack of reaction about finding out that Sean was going to be a father the prior year. She would get upset because he doesn't remember how she drinks her coffee on day 2 and now nothing. Which makes me think that she already knew and didn't mind.

 

About that. I think the loss of his child will be forever in his heart if he had already gotten to the idea of being a father. And I'm sorry for his loss. But I don't think that it will necessarily prevent him from starting a new life in a romantic way. It would have been different if the one that passed away was his girlfriend or fiancé and he was grieving over her (which in this case it wouldn't have applied since she was "someone I was dating at the time").

 

Still, it is a bomb of news. And I would have had a lot of questions.

 

I enjoyed the family times we saw. RR and Ja seemed very comfortable together. All of them.

Je and RD's seem like loving families too. But Je and DD don't seem as comfortable. I appreciate what he did, he put some effort...

 

The clown picture was well executed, I just dislike the subject (a sad clown).

The purse. Like it or not I don't think it says "old lady". It wasn't obvious at least. She just didn't like it.

Edited April 16, 2015 by Passthepopcorn

[The Evil One]

Awh! Jaclyn and Ryan. I am 'shipping them hard. I loved how she gave his mom and niece gifts. They seem to have the most potential and as she warms up, she is way less of a bitch and a lot more self-aware than I would have guessed in her Notebook-obsessed premiere. The other Ryan and Jessica are a coin toss to me. He is very immature but improved this week. Sean and Davina - gah. They seem to spend more time analyzing and discussing their relationship with eachother than actually having a relationship. There is something about their connection that is just so cold and clinical to me.

[shopper73]

So true about the analyzing! I am noticing the lack of affection, especially on Sean's part - no hugs, kisses are pecks, what happened? They are not going to make it, this is just for Tv. I am married and it is not all about work at all.

[CindyBee]

So true about the analyzing! I am noticing the lack of affection, especially on Sean's part - no hugs, kisses are pecks, what happened? They are not going to make it, this is just for Tv. I am married and it is not all about work at all.

 

Its almost as Sean checked out when he got told by Davina "no sex till love".   And now that he has to leave his comfort zone of New Jersey, he really has no intention of getting to the next level with Davina.

Edited April 17, 2015 by CindyBee

[shopper73]

I still think they did it on the wedding night, and he is done now. I don't care what she says they did, or the producers are telling them to say. Must have been bad! Or he just doesn't click with her, or has a problem with intimacy? Maybe why he is not involved with pregnant "girlfriend" or looking for love on a TV show?

[essexjan]

Well, most of it's already been said about the trainwreck that is Sean and Davina. What I picked up from her is how often she talks about a 'fairytale'. Well, this one is indeed Grimm.

 

I don't have a problem with Jaclyn seeming a little false. It must be awkward as hell to meet new people and be filmed at the same time. I know I can overcompensate for insecurity when I'm meeting new people - particularly if I want them to like me. I think she's sweet.

 

Ryan DBag is beyond awful. No wonder that clown is crying.

[The Evil One]

 

Its almost as Sean checked out when he got told by Davina "no sex till love".   And now that he has to leave his comfort zone of New Jersey, he really has no intention of getting to the next level with Davina.

 

I agree that Sean is checked out and I think he would have gotten to this place whether he had sex with her on the wedding night or not. I think the checking out process would have taken a little bit longer, but he would have gotten there soon. Between her expectations, the constant fairy tale references and the constant overanalyzing of every little thing, Davina is exhausting. I find her exhausting for less than an hour a week; Sean must have hit that spot by day 2. That's not to say Sean isn't a strange duck himself.

[Pepper Mostly]

 

I thought it was a hoot when Jaclyn gave Ryan that steamer, but to be honest, who would give that kind of gift to a guy you basically just got involved with?  I would have thought she'd go for something more personal or romantic.  People have been getting down on Ryan for getting her that fugly leopard print bag but I think perhaps the steamer was a worse let down for saying "You're still in the friend zone".  OK, I'm all for getting stuff like that from hubbie but we have been married for 35 years and we are way beyond the romantic phase of gift giving (although we can surprise each other that way even now), but for them?  I dunno, it just doesn't make sense to me.  Maybe he was complaining about packing wrinkles all through the honeymoon?  Even so, it still kind of bugs me.  He got her a nice necklace, which she seemed really touched to get.  I don't remember seeing him so touched.

 

 

When Ryan was packing his stuff at the hotel, he was bemoaning the wrinkled state of his clothes and saying his drycleaning bill was going to be through the roof. Jackie told him he needed a steamer and that she loved hers. So I thought it was totally cute that she got him the steamer--it was a little private joke of theirs--as well as funny AND practical! (I love practical gifts, woe betide anyone who gives me jewelry or a crystal vase!)

[MissScarlett]

I thoroughly enjoy watching Jaclyn and Ryan R. navigate this whole thing.  I  didn't think that Jaclyn laughed about the purse because she was trying to hurt Ryan's feelings.  I think she thought it was unbelievably cute that he picked something out like that for her -- even though it wasn't her taste.  She could tell that he tried.  Even if he failed a little on the first gift.

 

They are more snuggly and you can tell that Jaclyn is developing feelings for Ryan.  However, Ryan is hard to read.  Is he starting to fall for Jaclyn?  He's a hard read. 

 

Sean and Davina.  Do these two have anything HAPPY to discuss?  Every single conversation with them is overly analytical, emotional and there's always a tragic story that "comes out".  BTW -- I call bullshit on this being the first time that Davina has heard about the miscarriage and Sean's previous relationship.  Her reaction clearly told me that she had heard that story already.  They are like the woe-is-me twins. 

 

Ryan and Jessica.  They both seem "over it" already.  Jessica's sparkle isn't there like it was in the beginning.  She looks cautious and not at all optimistic.  As Ryan sits looking at the camera with his eyes half closed.. it shows that he is uncomfortable.

[The Evil One]

I take Ryan's half closed eyes that he is stoned all of the time. He's a Staten Island club boy. I bet the. Burnim-Ellis MTV production floors are littered with audition tapes from Staten Island Ryan.

Edited April 18, 2015 by The Evil One

[Snarklepuss]

So. Much. Word. Davina reminds me of so many overachieving, neurotic people I know who lack self-awareness.

 

So much Word to THIS.....Bingo, on the money!  Davina is so analytical yet has no insight into hers or anyone else's real feelings/motivations.  So much talk about the relationship and none of it is even for real - But she doesn't even see that!  Her mind is fabricating it to be something it's not. 

 

 

Who was it that called it re: Sean's creepiness? Was it Snarklepuss? Between what I've seen in the episodes since you called it and the comments that have come out about him, I am convinced he is a creep. I can't say that i necessarily believe *everything* people who claim to know Sean have posted, but it seems strange that none of the other cast embers have had the same happen. That, and what they're saying isn't too far-fetched. I guess time will...

 

Yup that was me.  I called him creepy early on and then it snowballed.

[Wings]

Read posts from JerseyNurse at bachandbachettefans.net/t2909p288-married-at-first-sight-season-2-sean-varricchio-davina-kullar-sleuthing-spoilers to get first-hand information about Sean. This *was* a pregnancy from a hookup and *not* a relationship. The poster JerseyNurse is a nurse and works with Sean in the ER.

 

 

Thanks.  I came here to post that this was my thought since he said he wanted a child and never mentioned loving the woman.  

 

Random thoughts.  I agree with almost every post so not necessary to repeat anything! 

 

I am giving them all a break to get used to the camera.  There will be some strained and rehearsed conversations until they settle into the format. 

 

Ryan and Jacklyn may have a shot at this.  Their connection is not unlike Jaime and Doug from last season.  They just renewed their vows are very happy.  Given his situation I didn't find him living in his mother's basement necessarily a red flag.  Please get your caps fixed, terrible job.   I didn't know he knew Doug.  How?  

 

Ryan D's temper that we glimpsed is not good.  Getting up and storming out when in conflict is not something easy to change.  

 

Sean is off to me, too.  I just don't see these two making it until the end of the show let alone life!  

[Vicky8675309]

I'm not sure why so many people automatically believe Jessica. Ryan, flaws and all, comes across as more genuine imo. He knows he has issues with anger and consciously tries to manage it. Jessica come across as someone wanting to look good on camera. I probably am misinterpreting Jessica and Ryan but I keep liking her less and less. I was never a fan of his but I think I like him more than her right now.

I posted this on the last episode but it applies here as well:

Ryan has been a jerk, however, sometimes Jessica has come across as overly sensitive and dramatic. Towards the beginning of the episode I couldn't stand Ryan but as the episode continued, I started to think Jessica was playing mind games and may be "misinterpreting" stuff. I'm not sure if she is as sweet & genuine as I initially thought.

Jessica narrates more than Ryan and kind of comes off as thirsty for fame rather than love. I think the turning point for me was Ryan leaving an argument rather than arguing in a restaurant for fame (self-awareness on his part that she was lying to create drama or misinterpreting what was said OR he didn't want his rage to be captured). No one is perfect and so Ryan comes off as more genuine since he dropped the perfect act and is being somewhat "normal". Sure he was a jerk multiple times but Jessica isn't perfect and imo seems fake

[shopper73]

Does Ryan admitting he has anger issues make it okay? Then Jessica has to love him for who he is and take abuse? Or help h try to change? He already said "this is who I am." He doesn't care how anything makes her feel, and she looked pretty real to me when she brought it up at the restaurant, or was upset at breakfast.

No one is expecting anyone to be perfect, but he enjoys being a jerk and having fun at others' expense.

I noticed too that only Ryan R and Jessica are close to their parents, at least that is how it looks to me. Maybe there is a reason for that. Ryan D says he has been on his own since 21 with mom's blessing in the interview on the FYI site.

[Kareem]

Agree with shopper above. Maybe the producers talk to her more. Maybe they've edited Ryan's two cents. Maybe he's actually the self-centered insensitive clod he appears to be, and she's left to deal with it. Certainly seems likely after watching the honeymoon episode. Found myself wondering during the holiday episode how often they asked her about the fight...

Edited April 19, 2015 by Kareem

[Wings]

Jessica is more outgoing thus talks more.  I don't see her seeking fame by doing this. 

 

Just because Ryan has to learn to express his anger constructively does not mean he is abusive when he is not able to contain it.  Abuse is an overly used word these days, as is bully.   Storming out of a restaurant is not an abusive move.  Quite the opposite, really.   I think he was beyond frustration with her because she twisted his words.  My guess. 

[shopper73]

I disagree! He twisted her words. She was upset because he called her piecing and tattoo trashy, not because of the way he said it or handled their discussion later, even though she was upset about that too. The way he doesn't take ownership of his actions, calling things he does "jokes" that he knows she doesn't like, points to an abusive personality. He doesn't want to "have to get mad". WHAT? She is supposed to accept his "anger issues"

[Vicky8675309]

Does Ryan admitting he has anger issues make it okay? Then Jessica has to love him for who he is and take abuse? Or help h try to change? He already said "this is who I am." He doesn't care how anything makes her feel, and she looked pretty real to me when she brought it up at the restaurant, or was upset at breakfast.

No one is expecting anyone to be perfect, but he enjoys being a jerk and having fun at others' expense.

I noticed too that only Ryan R and Jessica are close to their parents, at least that is how it looks to me. Maybe there is a reason for that. Ryan D says he has been on his own since 21 with mom's blessing in the interview on the FYI site.

 

 

Admitting one has an issue is great but it doesn't negate having an issue. At least he has self-awareness and seems to be trying to work on his issue. Does Jessica have issues? Has she admitted them and is she trying to work on them?

 

Abuse? really? I'd say immature but I don't think abuse is applicable. Thoughtless? sure. Negligent? sure.

 

I think he does care about how she feels but I think he picked up "psycho" vibes from her at the restaurant. How would you feel if you said something like "neon colored clothes are ugly but they look great on you" and someone got super upset and brought it up later on camera after you had said "I didn't mean to say you were ugly and I actually said <insert comment> sorry you are upset and it wasn't meant that way" and that person kept trying to twist your words to make you look bad and them look like a victim. Maybe she didn't intentionally twist the words maybe she did.

 

His anger looked real and maybe he was angry because he KNOWS he didn't say she was trashy. That was the only reason I could see for his anger. It seems like it was justified. Whereas if you knew your were wrong you would just apologize and then try to charm her.

 

I just don't think he is always the one in the wrong and that Jessica is innocent. That maybe the case but when I watched it I thought he was a jerk and she was a basket case.

 

 

 

I disagree! He twisted her words. She was upset because he called her piecing and tattoo trashy, not because of the way he said it or handled their discussion later, even though she was upset about that too. The way he doesn't take ownership of his actions, calling things he does "jokes" that he knows she doesn't like, points to an abusive personality. He doesn't want to "have to get mad". WHAT? She is supposed to accept his "anger issues"

 

 

How do you know he twisted her words? How can you state something as fact when it hasn't been shown on tv. Keep an open mind.

 

Maybe he doesn't take ownership because I didn't say it. I got mad when she wanted to play with dolphins but then got all chicken shit about it. I wouldn't have said anything to her about it but I can she how if she keeps doing that then it would keep making me mad. I can get his "have to get mad" comment especially if someone is twisting my words. Is he supposed to accept her "let's make everything about me and my overly sensitive emotions and misinterpreting everything" issues.

 

He has come off as a jerk and she has come off as psycho (kind of like splitting but not actually that term…not sure yet).

I'm trying not to let personal experience cloud my interpretation but that is impossible. I am trying to look at it all with an open mind and try to see things from both sides. Neither Jessica nor Ryan are perfect or 100% correct in their actions. I think both are flawed and think Jessica is getting a better edit (psychologist's favorite). Yes, Ryan is a jerk is reckless and immature but try not to let that blind you to questionable actions/words of Jessica

[shopper73]

I think some of the activities that the couples do are the producer's choice, not really their own. I doubt the dolphins or the jet skis were their ideas.

I am also not sure I believe who did or didn't really sleep together.

But, I thought early on that both Ryan D and Jaclyn May have good intentions, but they both behave with their own needs as primary.

We will see what Ryan shows us in the weeks ahead. I think Jessica is normal but a bit emotional.

[Waterlilly]

I'm surprised they didn't go to the John Pennecamp Coral Reef State Park, or the beaches or the Everglades. So much to do in the Florida Keys.

[Sims Addict]

But, I thought early on that both Ryan D and Jaclyn May have good intentions, but they both behave with their own needs as primary.

 

 

Yes, I agree. I especially see this more with Ryan D. Don't get me wrong, I like them the best out of all three couples, but he seems very rigid in what he will and won't do as it relates to his family of origin. It's tough because there is a void from his sister's passing and a pre-teen left behind. I get that he wants to be there for his mother and niece, but he can't sacrifice this shot at what could be a good relationship all because of a sense of guilt/obligation/habit. Hasn't the sister been deceased for a while and Kayla's dad passed three years ago? I know the pain lessens, but never goes away and he seems like a nice guy trying to do the right thing. If anything his sister's death should make him see how fleeting life can be. He should go full throttle this six weeks and really give it a go. And I hope Jac will play her part, too, and be understanding about the family she's married into.

 

No words for Davina and Sean. I side-eyed Davina from the get go with her identity issues (I know, I know...we won't rehash it), but I knew back then that that type of transference doesn't go away without serious work (re: therapy or spiritual guidance).

[HZAnita]

The one person I have the most issues with on this show is Davina.  She seems kind of spoiled and delusional.  When she got upset about Sean not picking up on her emotions on the honeymoon, I was like, "Does Davina even know any guys?"  I mean, most guys - most people - are not mind-readers.  In fact, you usually have to hit guys over the head to make them take notice of things like your emotional status.  Plus, she seems to be observing their relationship instead of living it.  It's very, very strange.  I actually liked them on their wedding day, now I'm just...meh.

[Wings]

I disagree! He twisted her words. She was upset because he called her piecing and tattoo trashy, not because of the way he said it or handled their discussion later, even though she was upset about that too. The way he doesn't take ownership of his actions, calling things he does "jokes" that he knows she doesn't like, points to an abusive personality. He doesn't want to "have to get mad". WHAT? She is supposed to accept his "anger issues"

 

 

You are right.  I was not paying close attention and now I can see your point. 

[Jack Sampson]

In this episode, Sean seems like he turned into a jerk the second he realized Davina wasn't sexual - at least not with him.  I admit to occasionally doing this too, especially in college.  When sex is a priority for someone - and it seems to be with Sean (there's no way the "experts" could miss it) - you don't match them up with someone who isn't.  Davina strikes me as possibly frigid, they should have matched her with a much older man.