S05.E03: Old Wounds

[Tara Ariano]

Tyler posts a video of Carly on their fan page, but it doesn't go over well with Brandon and Teresa; Maci and Ryan have communication issues; and Amber is upset when Gary won't let Leah spend the night.

[pakalolo]

Still no Farrah? Haven't we seen all of these storylines already? Farrah is out making sex toys molded from her own butt hole, hosting day drinking pool parties in Vegas and posing for magazine covers with dead corpses and all we get is part 6,587,243 of Maci and Ryaaaahn's communication issues?

[PinkSprinkles]

I read somewhere (random article on my homepage) that they had already filmed three episodes before Farrah was brought back. 

[brandyelf]

It took them 3 episodes to realize how boring, repetitive, and stagnant the other three have become??

[Brooklynista]

We all know Farrah is batshit but she's the only one that actually DOES anything. The others just sit around with friends complaining about the last thing they complained about.

Farrah is a goer, she's a doer. She's doing madness but she's out there doing it.

Maybe that's why the others can't stand her.her ambitions (far fetched as they are) expose the rest of them as a bunch of shiftless loafs.

[RedKoolAide]

^That is why the other girls are so pissed about Farrah coming back. They can use the porn thing as an excuse to look down their noses at Farrah, but they're really mad that Farrah actually did something instead of having a sofa fused to her ass.

[wrestlesflamingos]

I don't think anyone envies Farrah. She has no friends, a toxic relationship with her family, and has hours of footage showing her mental illness. I think its as simple as Farrah is entertaining but also massively poor company. I'm sure she's an absolutely nightmare backstage at the catch up shows. She's Charlie Sheen without the sense of humor.

[Brooklynista]

I don't think anyone envies Farrah. She has no friends, a toxic relationship with her family, and has hours of footage showing her mental illness. I think its as simple as Farrah is entertaining but also massively poor company. I'm sure she's an absolutely nightmare backstage at the catch up shows. She's Charlie Sheen without the sense of humor.

I agree. I don't think the girls envy Farrah at all and I'm sure she's a monster to be around. We all have co-workers that we can't stand but their reactions to her coming back seemed to be about more than Farrah being annoying to deal with for 3hours of taping.

We had a woman in my office that we just could not stand. She was legit bonkers. She would hide in the bathroom until 8:59 am because she refused to step on th floor before 9. She was very Bartelby the Scrivener and refuse to work.

We would marvel every day about how crazy she was and still employed. Well while we were all busy hating her, she was working full time and getting her Masters in Social Working. That's how much she gave a damn about our dislike of her.

I know how it is to have intense dislike for for someone. You want them to implode, you want them to fail and when they have the audacity to keep on keeping on, it kinda pisses you off. Like seeing an ex boyfriend and his beautiful wife and cute kids.

Edited April 5, 2015 by Brooklynista

[RedKoolAide]

What Farrah does shouldn't affect them. They only have to see her during reunions, but they talk about her more than she does them. That leads me to believe that they resent that Farrah has made her own (crazy)niche and they're all still stagnant. They make a bigger deal out of Farrah coming back than is necessary.

I also have to add that I can't stand Gary. Amber has many, many faults but Gary is an asshole who tries to masquerade as a "good guy". Dude is a jerk.

Edited April 5, 2015 by RedKoolAide

[wrestlesflamingos]

I think the producers stirred up the Farrah nonsense by asking them about it repeatedly. I think Maci also thinks quite a bit about herself and may worry about her image.

[cereality]

Tyler is a douche, and he seems to have an anger problem. When he posted that video of Carly that he knew he wasn't allowed to post and Caitlyn told him that's a bad idea, it's not allowed etc. -- he lashed out looking at the camera saying "anyone considering adoption, pick the right couple; this is a punch in the face; WE gave THEM a chance to be parents and this is how they repay us." Um -- pick the right people??? Don't most people pick the right family based upon who will best raise the child, or do people give consideration to the family's views on social media!?

 

Caitlyn was actually being reasonable and said a few times during the episode -- we gave up our right to do that; they've been very clear they don't want media etc. Even when Tyler's mom started to make excuses re "oh well everyone will always say -- that's Caitlyn and Tyler's daughter regardless of what's out on social media," Caitlyn jumped right in and said no -- they want to protect her, and the kids that are on Teen Mom like Bentley don't have normal lives, they're noticed everywhere, they're asked for pictures etc. She is the only one with the reasonable view of -- as long as we still get pictures and visits, I don't care that we can't share it with the world. She actually seems to consider that they could easily take away visitation, stop sending pictures etc. Too bad she says things in such a passive way and doesn't want to contradict Tyler or else she'd more forcefully say -- NO you're not posting this stuff, I am not going to lose visitation over this.

 

I did like Tyler's mom earlier in the episode when she said -- you have a baby on the way, you need a career and sorry MTV but this ain't it.

[Madison Bumgarner]

Ryan is such a douche canoe. She told him (the world saw this!) she'd be there at 1:30, and nearly an hour later, he's still not there. He hadn't changed at all. No wonder Shelby jumped ship on his ass. And the fact that he's cussing at her and calling her names in front of Bentley is truly despicable.

Honestly, I think Gary has a point with asking if she's ready for Leah overnight. She has a HELL of a temper, and the stupidest things set her off. Despite what she thinks, she does NOT know how to be a Mom. She was higher than a plane every time she had her prior, and has been in jail for the rest.

It's great to see April thriving. She seems so happy and stable and sober. Looks like Nick finally has the Mom he's needed for years. It's like watching a whole different person in her from 16 & pregnant to now. Hope she finds happiness.

[Samwil]

I do not like Tyler's temper one bit.  More and more like Butch every day.  I hope B & T cut ties with them.  Whiny fuck.

 

Yes! about April.  She looks happy.  It's nice to see.

 

Much as I dislike Gary, I think he's right about keeping Leah to a schedule.  Amber hasn't proven herself to be stable yet.  She always says she's ready to fly off the handle.

 

Bentley is as whiny as Maci.  Too bad.  Ryan's dad was a hoot.

[Brooklynista]

I want Ryan's GF 2.0 (no point in learning her name) to really pay attention to how Ryan treats Bentley. Pay attention to how he talks to Maci. That will be you. Don't make the mistake in thinking it'll be different for you. He's showing you right now who he is. Believe him. He's telling you everything you need to know right now.

And screw you Ryan for making me side with Maci. Damn you straight to hell.

Edited April 7, 2015 by Brooklynista

[Madison Bumgarner]

You know what, I'm very impressed with what Cate was saying about Tyler posting the video. She had a great response to it. She understands what she is to that little girl, which is not Mom. She finally gets it. I'm happy to see that and proud of how far she's come.

And no Amber, if Leah wasn't in school, she still wouldn't be with you on tour. You do NOT have primary custody anymore. She's not helping her case by bitching and moaning about Gary and the situation at all times on National TV. Woe is you, dumbass

[Brooklynista]

Instead of getting angry at BrandonandTheresa, Tyler should be aiming his venom at Dawn the baby broker. She is the one that spun a tale about how they could hand over the baby and co-parent with BrandonandTeresa. I will always believe Dawn saw two uneducated teens that didn't have the smarts or the means to hire an attorney to go over with them what their rights really are in the adoption.

One thing that did bug me is Cate expressing her views on posting the video and the chewing the shit out of her nails while Tyler did what he wanted anyway. She didn't tell him to take it down. She didn't go online an remove the video herself. She just meekly stated her case and Butch Jr. did what he felt.

[Darknight]

Co parent? I'm sorry I don't know much about private adoption, I do take in and have adopted foster kids. Once the parents rights are terminated bio parent contact ends. So what was Catelynn and Tyler expecting? To be buddy buddy with Brandon and Theresa, have Carlys picture everywhere and claim they're Carlys real parents? And what's with this Dawn lady? I've heard she did lie about Catelynn and Tyler contacting Carly. If they have such a problem with their adoption then maybe they should've thought about their choice thoroughly. The way they drag Brandon and Theresa Carlys parents are disgusting. Do they realize Carly will see this when she's older?

[Maharincess]

Amber, you aren't being made to feel like a piece of shit mom, you are a piece of shit mom. What you want does not matter. What is best for your child is what matters.

I can't stand her.

I wonder how she has watched herself on TV all this time and still thinks those damn eye spiders look good.

I'm not seeing how April looks any different. Still looks like a fiend to me.

Catelynn and Tyler...Carly is not your child's sister.

Edited April 7, 2015 by Maharincess

[cereality]

Their views on adoption were screwed up from the start. They took open adoption to mean that they would co-parent with B&T because they couldn't meet Carly's need as a baby and young child, but then when she was older -- they would ALL be her parents. I don't know how much came from them and how much from the adoption counselor, but when an adoption counselor sees two 16 yr olds saying this (or implying it) -- it was her place to firmly step in and say -- open adoption means pictures 2x a year and visits when the family allows, which is typically 1x a year and you're allowed to send Christmas presents and that's it. They had the most unrealistic views back then. At one point they (or at least Tyler) was talking about how when she's older -- like late teens or college -- he would want her to spend summers at their house. Um-- why would she, you are not her parents -- her home is B&T's home. They also had these weird expectations that B&T would be surrogate parents to them and about how they not only wanted to make Carly proud but also B&T proud; I believe they invited B&T to their high school graduation, which they respectfully declined. They didn't seem to get that B&T are with you to get an infant; they are not looking to help two screwed up 16 yr olds sort out their lives -- and if they ask "how's school," that's just politeness.

 

At this point, I don't know how much Tyler cares to be involved in Carly's life for real vs. just being involved enough to keep it "social media worthy." After all they seem to only make a living through MTV and through whoever cares to invite them to tell their story over and over. An adoption that happened 6 yrs ago is old new -- you have to keep bringing it up once in a while, so that people don't forget -- have to keep the 15 min of fame going.

 

I don't get why Tyler doesn't get it. He and Cate don't have solid family situations, Carly does. Does he not think that by publicly associating himself with Carly -- it will affect Carly -- the daughter he supposedly loves SO MUCH -- bc she'll be looked down upon/made fun of? B&T are an upper middle class southern family that is at least somewhat religious (I think -- I mean B&T met at church). I'm sure people know that Carly is adopted from 2 teen parents, but by bringing it up over and over on social media and via TV shows -- people get to see what Butch is like; they get to see Cate's former drug addict mom; they get to see the screwed up marriage. Right now it doesn't matter bc Carly's 1st grade friends aren't watching MTV -- but some of their parents likely are. All it takes is 1-2 old school, critical church ladies -- tsk tsking to B&T about we know Carly came from teen parents but we didn't realize their background was SO screwed up -- and a few kids hearing it, and Carly will be mocked in her upper middle class elementary school for the fact that her REAL grandparents are drug addicts and in jail and her REAL parents didn't want her. I guess Tyler's paycheck is worth it though.

[Maharincess]

I never do stuff like this and I'm sure the morons will delete it but I just blasted those two assholes on their "fan" page. Its idiots like them that make people afraid to enter into adoption.

I'm a bit steamed right now.

[luvly]

Tbh, I don't blame them as much as I blame Dawn. They were two scared, uneducated minors and she told them whatever they needed to hear in order to get her claws on their in-demand, white newborn baby. If you look up reviews on Bethany, their reputation is terrible and one of the most common themes is the blatant lies they tell birth parents. It'll be an open adoption, you'll have all kinds of contact, you'll automatically be connected with your child once they turn 18, etc. It's no wonder Catelynn and Tyler acted like Brandon and Teresa were just really long-term babysitters, that's pretty much the exact story they were sold.

Edited April 13, 2015 by luvly

[Maharincess]

Great excuse by Amber to not go to any meetings. I'm an addict 22 years clean. We have a big music venue in my city and once a year a HUUUUGE rock star comes to play here and attends meetings. Nobody says anything. People don't start showing up at meetings when this person comes to town to try to see the person.

Amber is full of crap. Nobody cares Amber.

Also nice of Dr Drew to generalize and say that at meetings in the midwest nobody stays anonymous.

Tbh, I don't blame them as much as I blame Dawn. They were two scared, uneducated minors and she told them whatever they needed to hear in order to get her claws on their in-demand, white newborn baby. If you look up reviews on Bethany, their reputation is terrible and one of the most common themes is the blatant lies they tell birth parents. It'll be an open adoption, you'll have all kinds of contact, you'll automatically be connected with your child once they turn 18, etc. It's no wonder Catelynn and Tyler acted like Brandon and Teresa where just really long-term babysitters, that's pretty much the exact story they were sold.

I see your point but they aren't 16 anymore. They should know by now that Carly isn't their child. They told their friends not to post anything about her pregnancy. How do they not see the irony in that?

[LexiconDevilOne]

I've defended Ryan, although I agree he's an ass, before...but tonight...NO WAY would I wait 45 minutes outside his building with my 5 year old child, then drop him off at his parents. NO WAY.

This will catch up to him, one way or another.

 

 

Amber, when were you ever not a POS 'Mom' when you had full custody of Leah? I'm sorry, but I really don't see any progress with her. Nor do I think she's anywhere near being ready to regain custody.

 

I saw on my Facebook that, in real time, she's going, or already has, filed for full custody. Good luck, she doesn't go to AA, Counseling, or have a full time job, and she has a prison record. Judges love that...

 

Tyler's going to cause Catelynn to lose visitation/contact with B&T, and I wouldn't blame them if they cut it after tonight. He's an idiot.

 

Why do I watch this?...

[Maharincess]

I thought Theresa and Brandon were going to be on tonight

[Darknight]

Tbh, I don't blame them as much as I blame Dawn. They were two scared, uneducated minors and she told them whatever they needed to hear in order to get her claws on their in-demand, white newborn baby. If you look up reviews on Bethany, their reputation is terrible and one of the most common themes is the blatant lies they tell birth parents. It'll be an open adoption, you'll have all kinds of contact, you'll automatically be connected with your child once they turn 18, etc. It's no wonder Catelynn and Tyler acted like Brandon and Teresa where just really long-term babysitters, that's pretty much the exact story they were sold.

I've heard about Bethany? Christian services as well. You're right that their reviews aren't good, but before you choose private adoption you should educate yourself. Open adopting just means you stay connected through pictures once a year. It doesn't mean Co parent. I remember when Catelynn and Tyler were upset that they don't know Carlys last name or where she lives. Well you aren't suppose to. I do agree that healthy white babies are in high demand. Everyone wants one and when Dawn saw the opportunity she grab it. But Catelynn and Tyler need to realize they don't have any say with Carly or her parents

Tbh, I don't blame them as much as I blame Dawn. They were two scared, uneducated minors and she told them whatever they needed to hear in order to get her claws on their in-demand, white newborn baby. If you look up reviews on Bethany, their reputation is terrible and one of the most common themes is the blatant lies they tell birth parents. It'll be an open adoption, you'll have all kinds of contact, you'll automatically be connected with your child once they turn 18, etc. It's no wonder Catelynn and Tyler acted like Brandon and Teresa where just really long-term babysitters, that's pretty much the exact story they were sold.

I've heard about Bethany? Christian services as well. You're right that their reviews aren't good, but before you choose private adoption you should educate yourself. Open adopting just means you stay connected through pictures once a year. It doesn't mean Co parent. I remember when Catelynn and Tyler were upset that they don't know Carlys last name or where she lives. Well you aren't suppose to. I do agree that healthy white babies are in high demand. Everyone wants one and when Dawn saw the opportunity she grab it. But Catelynn and Tyler need to realize they don't have any say with Carly or her parents

[NikSac]

Dang it what's wrong with my DVR? I thought this was supposed to be on tonight and saw nothing, thought maybe it was a Spring Break thing. Thanks everyone here for posting and the updates.

[alexa]

I have no words about Ryan--he is so immature, and clearly is not showing Bentley any love at all.  The fact he can't show up on time when they had a conversation about the time to meet, and then when he does get to his parents he continues to be a jerk--he only asked if Bentley was there.  He didn't rush to go see him, or act like he had any interest in him.  I can't blame Bentley for being so attached to Maci as she is really the only parent he has.  

 

I think the new girlfriend seems actually okay in that she tries to be nice to Bentley and had a sense of humor with Ryan's dad.  I think the farther above post is correct that she should clearly see that this is how Ryan is, and he is not going to change.  

 

Like many have said, I was also proud of Catelynn for trying to speak up on the video issue.  Especially when Tyler's mom was there she made some good points about all she cared about was having a relationship with her, not having some videos on their fanpage.  Tyler is a complete jerk these days.  I can't stand him anymore.  He was so rude to B & T with his comments that he knew very well would be aired on TV.  I would be pissed if I were them.

 

I think Amber was a little better this episode because she had something to do, but other than that not much to say.  I do agree about the school schedule even though I don't like Gary.  It is distracting for kids to have too much back and forth during the school week, and they really need their sleep at this age.  

[PinkSprinkles]

And no Amber, if Leah wasn't in school, she still wouldn't be with you on tour. You do NOT have primary custody anymore. She's not helping her case by bitching and moaning about Gary and the situation at all times on National TV. Woe is you, dumbass

 

IIRC, didn't Amber give up all rights to Leah in order to get the no contact order lifted between her and Gary? If that's the case, then Gary doesn't have to give her time with Leah if he doesn't want to, right? 

[Samwil]

Tyler Tyler Tyler...maybe he realizes that he is irrelevant without Carly and Catelynn. 

 

Catelynn will always be a TM, yeah, you are the dad, but the show isn't about the dad's as much.  

 

I would love to know how late they stay up on Monday nights reading viewer comments.  It has to suck for him since his public opinion has changed.  

 

Your Mom is right, Tyler.  Go to school, get a career going, you are a father now, and the MTV money won't last forever.  Oh, and get some counseling.  You need it.

[wrestlesflamingos]

IIRC, didn't Amber give up all rights to Leah in order to get the no contact order lifted between her and Gary? If that's the case, then Gary doesn't have to give her time with Leah if he doesn't want to, right?

Leah became a ward of the State when her mother was arrested for assaulting Gary. As Amber's legal problems piled up, Gary was unable to prove fit enough for primary custody. I believe, he was given supervised custody of Leah. I don't recall that changing.

So, Amber could be trying to relieve the State of Leah's care not necessarily Gary. Amber did not relinquish Leah, like Jenelle did with her son, the courts removed Amber.

[wrestlesflamingos]

Tyler on school "Especially with Nova coming here..." I wonder if just a house guest would have been enough motivation.

[Keke29]

As an adoptee, the person I feel for the most in this situation is Carly. Regardless of how anyone feels about Cate and Tyler, they ARE still her birth parents and that relationship should be treasured. However, Carly also has the right to live as Carly- not as an adopted child from Teen Mom. Kids can be cruel and I remember a few times that being adopted led to teasing when I was younger.

Nova IS Carly's sister, regardless of the fact that Carly's rights have been terminated with her bio parents and I hope they are allowed to have a relationship. I treasure my relationships with both my adoptive sisters as well as my biological siblings, it isn't a binary, they are all my sisters. Period.

I just hope that all parties involved can work together so Carly can continue to have access to her birthparents, sister and to her roots, while still respecting her privacy.

[ghoulina]

Okay, let's start with Tyler, because I've had just about enough of him. Who does he think he is? Seriously. He feels, deep down, that he has the "right" to post pics/videos of Carly online? Um, no sir. You gave up any rights when you signed the adoption papers. He really seems to have this attitude like, "We gave you a baby. Without us, you'd have nothing. So you need to be nice to us". But Brandon and Teresa owe them nothing. In fact, they've been pretty cool all these years, sending pictures and arranging meetings. And you want to risk it all so you can try and get some likes on social media? I swear, that's all it's about for Tyler. I don't, for a minute, think he made that video because he was feeling all sad and just wanted to express himself. He uses that baby for publicity. Period. 

 

At least Catelynn is the sensible one. She warned him it was a bad idea. To her, all that matters is being able to see Carly and have contact. She could care less if the whole world knows who she is. And the dumb thing is, Tyler knew this! It's not like this is the first time. Brandon and Teresa have pointedly said - no newer pics or videos. What's so hard to understand? It doesn't matter if you don't like the rules. They're the parents, they decide. And now you've just majorly disrespected them, so good luck moving forward. 

 

Oh, and I hated, hated, HATED how he insinuated that all of this proves that Brandon and Teresa weren't the "right" parents for them to give their baby to. Wow. That was low. Like, because there were cameras from day one, they should have known. They should have to put up with cameras perpetually. Again, Catelynn is the voice of reason - "We didn't know how big it would get, maybe they didn't either". Exactly! And have you ever heard of people changing their mind? For fuck's sake! I think B&T have been pretty awesome as far as adoptive parents go. You should count yourself lucky you were able to get someone who was willing to be as open as they have been. 

 

Points to Kim for calling out MTV as not being a lifelong career. 

 

Demerits to April for smoking in the car with her pregnant daughter. 

 

Pity to poor Novalee Reign who not only will have the world's tackiest name, but the world's tackiest room. Ever. 

 

 

 

 

A close follow up on the Ghoulina-pissed-off-o-meter would be Ryan. What in the ever loving fuck is wrong with that dude? You don't make someone wait 45 minutes to drop off their child. Especially BECAUSE of the child. I have 3 small children. They're not so great at just sitting in cars, waiting. If you are running late, you call. You don't wait until the person who is waiting on you finally calls you to be all, "Oh yea, I'm late". And then proceed to call the person a "dumbass" and "stupid" because they have the NERVE to be irritated. Maybe it was stupid, seeing Maci drop Bentley off at his grandparents, only to have Ryan show up 12 minutes later. But how was Maci to know how much longer she was going to have to wait? He never gave her a time table. Plus, she was so pissed off, I can't blame her for not wanting to deal with him. 

 

The thing is, all of that could have been avoided if Ryan would have let Maci just come into the apt to drop off Bentley. No, it was all, "Let's meet at the car wash 100ft away so you don't have to deal with the gate". Because gates are soooo complicated. I swear, it's all about control with him. He basically said as much at their meeting later. He just doesn't want to do anything she wants him to do. She is she suggests coming over to drop Bentley off, he was to make some stipulation to get the control back. 

 

He's just a self-involved asshole. That's all. Bentley never seems excited to be with him, especially when it means not being with Larry and Jen. At least Shelby plays with him. But not Ryan. Could he have played along when Shelby dropped the "newborn baby" on to his lap? No. He was too busy checking his phone. What a tool. 

 

Taylor looks more and more like an inbred hillbilly from a horror movie every week. 

 

 

 

Amber and Gary need a schedule! Damn. It's so annoying. Not only because of school, children need consistency, period. But if Leah is having trouble getting up in the morning, these random evening hang-outs do need to stop. I get Amber wanting to see her kid, but it's not just about her. Leah needs to have a routine down, and now when she is going to mommy's ahead of time. 

 

And Amber needs to keep her issues to herself. Leah is already very aware that her mother has issues with Kristina and it's making her worried about spending time with Kristina in her own home. NOT cool. How long has Amber been out at this point? She keeps going on about how much she has proved and how good she has been.....it just doesn't seem like it's been that long to me. 

 

Also, how in the seven hells is Krista able to go on a publicity tour with Amber? Isn't she a single mom? What about her kids? I just keep going back to what Amber's mom said about Krista coming around for the cameras, and it seems like she is just as much of a famewhore as Tyler. 

Edited April 7, 2015 by ghoulina

[zenme]

Not a Maci fan, but damn it! Ryan, you're not late for Maci, you're being late for Bentley. He's aware of what's going on, and he's not a baby anymore. He's going to remember everything.

[poeticlicensed]

Ryan is truly a piece of work. He tells Maci 1:30, yet doesn't bother to show up until 2:10 and is pissed because she left. Then he bitches because he is "only a few seconds away". Well douche, if you are so close, what was stopping you from being at the place you were supposed to do the pick up at 1:30? I can see why Maci is frustrated. On top of which Bentley didn't seem to keen on visiting Ryan. t's probably super boring, evidenced by Ryan's couch laying. I noticed when Maci dropped him off at his grandparents house, he was all excited for that. 

 

I can't figure out what Tyler's problem is. Is he just a famewhore who wants to exploit Carly for his Fanpage? Were he and Cate just naive and/or misinformed about what the boundaries of adoption were? Cate seems to understand and honestly, she seems ok with a few pics and updates. Tyler just can't seem to let it go. Or maybe it's all for the cameras. 

 

Amber wrote a book? And went on tour? And some publishing company sponsored her tour? and people showed up? Color me shocked. Poor Leah, she knows exactly what's going on. She loves Gary's gf (Kristin?), but she doesn't want to show it because she knows Amber will have a hissy. Classic case of a child assuming a parent role, Unfortunately, Leah will probably have a life time of being the grown up while Amber will b e the child.

Edited April 7, 2015 by poeticlicensed

[AnythingCanBe]

I agree with everything that's been said here.  It's nice to hear from sane people after watching this show.

 

The only thing I have to add is that Larry is dangerously close to surpassing Jeff (Corey's dad from TM2) as my favorite Teen Mom grandparent.

[ghoulina]

One thing that did bug me is Cate expressing her views on posting the video and the chewing the shit out of her nails while Tyler did what he wanted anyway. She didn't tell him to take it down. She didn't go online an remove the video herself. She just meekly stated her case and Butch Jr. did what he felt.

 

Right? Because him pulling that stunt could effect HER relationship with B&T as well, and he didn't even stop to consider that. He's so gross. 

[wrestlesflamingos]

Cate seemed painfully aware if it though. Her voice was clearer and firmer than ever when objecting. I think the scenes were staged, recreated, so she could plan her thoughts and rehearse them. However, I'm not sure Tyler still wins in Carly v. Tyler.

[Kellyee]

 

Were he and Cate just naive and/or misinformed about what the boundaries of adoption were?

 

I think Tyler and Catelynn were misled about the reality of open adoption. In the their original 16 and Pregnant episode, it never seemed like Dawn was telling them the real truth about how life would be after they gave up their daughter. Tyler and Catelynn were a gift in Dawn's lap, two stupid, uninformed teenagers with no real parental support. Catelynn seems to have gotten a clue since then, but Tyler has not. The Internet is full of birth parent stories just like theirs. I knew the "open" adoption was bogus when they weren't allowed to even know their birth daughter's last name or what state she lives in.

 

It doesn't really matter that Tyler posted the video. If it wasn't for the show and the publicity, Brandon and Teresa would have cut off contact a long time ago. After the show is done, Tyler and Catelynn won't be seeing Carly. Especially if they start referring to their second baby as her "sister". You can see that Brandon and Teresa already want out of the whole thing.

[ivgotspirit02]

I hate HATE to defend Ryan here because he really lost me last week with the storming out and not hugging his son goodbye without prompting but I thought I heard Maci say something like along the lines of "I know I'm usually late but he should have been here". I have a friend who, no matter what time I say we're going to meet, arrives at least a half hour late. I'm one of the most punctual people you'll ever meet (on time to me is late, I'm always at least 5 minutes early!) so this drives me crazy. Now I always tell her to meet me a half hour early than when I really want to meet her. Maybe, if Maci has a habit of being late, that's what Ryan expected as well and that was why he himself was late. Ugh I feel dirty trying to justify it but I just can't fathom why else he would be late when he lives two feet away and wasn't doing anything other than lying around in bed. 

I hate agreeing with Gary over anything either but he is definitely right about Leah needing to be on a schedule with an earlier bedtime. They really need to sit down and work out a visitation schedule ASAP, consistency is key with little kids. I feel like it must totally mess with Leah to have Amber calling/showing up and picking her up at all kinds of random times. 

C&T....I really wish we could have seen Theresa lecture him. I cannot BELIEVE he would do that after KNOWING that it was something B&T specifically forbade. I was proud of Cate for speaking up but she should have been waaaaay more assertive about it. Tyler doing that doesn't just sever his ties with Carly but hers as well. 

[Brooklynista]

I noticed that Bentley had a room full of toys still at Jen's house. Does Bentley even have a room at Ryan's?  Ryan seems like the dad who sits on the couch staring at Instagram on his cell  while the kid is forced to amuse hisself.  Of course Bentley prefers the grandparents house.  They actual acknowlegde him.

 

Amber just really gets on my last nerve.  She does this thing that drives me batshit!  When she's on the phone w Gary and he tells her no to one of her dumb ass requests, she opens her eyes really wide and takes in this DEEP breath of air like she just cant BELIEVE the audacity of him.  How dare he not let her have a sleepover with Bew Bew on a school night.

Edited April 7, 2015 by Brooklynista

[Katydid]

My evil side really wishes we'd been able to hear Brandanteresa deliver the smackdown to Tyler. Unbelievable how he looked at the camera and warned people to be careful who they pick to adopt their kids! I felt so bad for Catelynn, who had sense enough to realize Tyler was jeopardizing what access they do have to Carly. I bet Brandanteresa would close the adoption in a heartbeat at this point if not for Cate. They probably realize she's trying to do the right thing, and Tyler is the jerk that he is.

Oh, and OF COURSE Tyler wants to go to "film school". I'm not opposed to that type of training in general, but it does seem a little... pipe dreamy? Given the fact that the they live in Michigan and don't seem keen to leave, and had a baby on the way, it seems a responsible person would train for something that is a little more of a sure bet in terms of their local job market. Besides, the people I know who have graduated from "film school" still started off in jobs like production assistant, the same job available to those who didn't get formal training at all. It's who you know in that business. Tyler probably doesn't think he should have to start at the bottom and work his way up because, after all, he's famous. If he were serious about a career in TV/film production, I bet MTV could hook him up with a job. But he'd still need to get out of Bumfruck, MI to make it happen.

[lasandi]

I get Tyler is frustrated but he is thinking the wrong way. He is thinking that's my kid and why can't i. Well you can't cuz you signed over your rights. Your rights to Carly, Tyler. Her adoptive parents are not babysitting for you. And Tyler keep your frustrations off the camera so that you don't further alienate your daughter's parents.

[DollyMamaB]

As much as I don't like Gary, he's right about Leah being on a schedule.  When she's falling asleep in class after spending the night with Amber, something has to give.  Amber needs to keep the schedule.

 

Tyler was wrong to post that video of Carly after Brandon and Teresa asked them not to do that.  Tyler is being selfish.  Carly may be their child biologically, but they are not her parents.  They gave up that right.

 

Ryan is just an ass and still only cares about Ryan.  Even his dad is getting fed up with his attitude.

 

I for one am glad Farrah isn't back on the show yet and when she is, i'll fast forward her as I always did. 

[DollyMamaB]

As an adoptee, the person I feel for the most in this situation is Carly. Regardless of how anyone feels about Cate and Tyler, they ARE still her birth parents and that relationship should be treasured. However, Carly also has the right to live as Carly- not as an adopted child from Teen Mom. Kids can be cruel and I remember a few times that being adopted led to teasing when I was younger.

Nova IS Carly's sister, regardless of the fact that Carly's rights have been terminated with her bio parents and I hope they are allowed to have a relationship. I treasure my relationships with both my adoptive sisters as well as my biological siblings, it isn't a binary, they are all my sisters. Period.

I just hope that all parties involved can work together so Carly can continue to have access to her birthparents, sister and to her roots, while still respecting her privacy.

 

One of my best friends is adopted and she feels the exact opposite.  She has biological siblings and has said if they ever knocked on her door, she wouldn't answer it.  Every person is different.  Carly is too young to make this decision right now.  One day she'll be able to decide for herself whether or not she wants a relationship with Cate, Tyler and Nova.  But for right now, Brandon and Teresa are making those decisions because they are her parents. 

[luvly]

How long has Amber been out at this point? She keeps going on about how much she has proved and how good she has been.....it just doesn't seem like it's been that long to me.

 

Amber got out of jail in November 2013, the girls (except Maci) were spotted filming their Being... specials in December 2013, they aired in February 2014 and this current season started filming in July/August 2014. So she's been out for a whopping 8-9 months (and only living on her own for a couple of weeks, she was living with her grandparents up until she got her place in July) and thinks she's proven herself to be a good mother when she's on the record saying she was under the influence the entire time she was filming, ie. the entire time she was parenting Leah. I do think Gary likes to rile her up, but I don't blame him for thinking it might not be the best idea to for Leah to be doing overnights yet.

 

I hate HATE to defend Ryan here because he really lost me last week with the storming out and not hugging his son goodbye without prompting but I thought I heard Maci say something like along the lines of "I know I'm usually late but he should have been here". 

 

Do you mean when she was talking to her friend in the bridal store? She actually said, "I'm late sometimes, I get it. But I'm not also telling you that you're a dumb-ass on the phone in front of your son. You can't be 45 minutes late and then call me and tell me that I'm stupid." I think the point she was trying to make it that people run late sometimes and she understands but you probably shouldn't go insulting the person who's waiting on you.

[ghoulina]

I think Tyler and Catelynn were misled about the reality of open adoption. In the their original 16 and Pregnant episode, it never seemed like Dawn was telling them the real truth about how life would be after they gave up their daughter. Tyler and Catelynn were a gift in Dawn's lap, two stupid, uninformed teenagers with no real parental support. Catelynn seems to have gotten a clue since then, but Tyler has not. The Internet is full of birth parent stories just like theirs. I knew the "open" adoption was bogus when they weren't allowed to even know their birth daughter's last name or what state she lives in.

 

I've seen quite a few statements like this, and I'm just curious - what would Dawn's motivation be? I'm being totally serious here, not snarky or argumentative. I don't know much about adoption, and I was just wondering what she would gain from presenting it this way. 

 

Amber just really gets on my last nerve.  She does this thing that drives me batshit!  When she's on the phone w Gary and he tells her no to one of her dumb ass requests, she opens her eyes really wide and takes in this DEEP breath of air like she just cant BELIEVE the audacity of him.  How dare he not let her have a sleepover with Bew Bew on a school night.

 

This is what I'm saying about Amber. She is so easily riled! That is why I keep saying she needs some sort of therapy so she can learn techniques for dealing with her anger. I was with Gary on this. But even if he was totally in the wrong, she needs to be able to cope with it like a mature mother, and not fly off the handle, hang up, etc. 

Do you mean when she was talking to her friend in the bridal store? She actually said, "I'm late sometimes, I get it. But I'm not also telling you that you're a dumb-ass on the phone in front of your son. You can't be 45 minutes late and then call me and tell me that I'm stupid." I think the point she was trying to make it that people run late sometimes and she understands but you probably shouldn't go insulting the person who's waiting on you.

 

Right. That's how I took it. I thought she was giving him the grace of acknowledging that anyone can run late from time to time, but you don't make it like the person who gets fed up and leaves is in the wrong. Also, if you ARE running late, and it's more than 5 minutes, CALL. Damn. Ryan just handled the entire situation like a giant ass. Sometimes I wonder if he is worse when he has a girlfriend around (when doesn't he?), so he can kind of impress her with his "toughness". Prove to her he is NOT into Maci anymore. But if I were one of his girlfriends, the way he treats the mother of his child (and the child, for that matter) would be a huge red flag. Bye, Felicia!

[Tatum]

 

Sometimes I wonder if he is worse when he has a girlfriend around (when doesn't he?), so he can kind of impress her with his "toughness". Prove to her he is NOT into Maci anymore. But if I were one of his girlfriends, the way he treats the mother of his child (and the child, for that matter) would be a huge red flag.

 

I've noticed too that Ryan seems more combative when he's in a serious relationship with someone (and not looking to get out of it). Hard to say what comes first- is he more combative because Maci starts pulling more passive aggressive stunts when he's in a relationship, or is he just ruder to Maci when he's with someone else? If it's the latter, I don't know if he does it to impress his girlfriends or not. I kind of suspect that whenever Ryan and Maci are between relationships, they hook up with each other. If that's the case, then it behooves Ryan to treat Maci a little more nicely if he's going to proposition her after a night of drinking.

[wrestlesflamingos]

The motivation to make open adoption seem more appealing is convincing the birth parents to place their child. I tend to think that Cate wasn't mature enough to parent or place Carly and has some PTSD about it. Tyler seems delusional and disconnection from the actual person of Carly. When he rants, he moves like Butch. He holds his neck stiff and chin slightly up.

[ivgotspirit02]

Do you mean when she was talking to her friend in the bridal store? She actually said, "I'm late sometimes, I get it. But I'm not also telling you that you're a dumb-ass on the phone in front of your son. You can't be 45 minutes late and then call me and tell me that I'm stupid." I think the point she was trying to make it that people run late sometimes and she understands but you probably shouldn't go insulting the person who's waiting on you.

 

Thank you, I must have misunderstood her. Now I can go back to being annoyed with Ryan.