Michelle and JimBob aka J'Chelle and Boob

[Lisa418722]

2 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

"Michelle writes to Jimbob, Jimbob writes preaches to and lectures at the general public."   Fixed it for ya. 

He "sent" her a sermon for the masses on the evils of television. What a jerk.

Exactly.

I'm not a ME-chelle fan by any stretch of the imagination, but I would be royally pissed if I wrote a letter directed to my husband (even if I did post it for the world to read) while he preached to the general public (I like that).  There was nothing written that was for her only. 

[DangerousMinds]

I still have no idea why any couple would post private letters to one another on the internet.

[GeeGolly]

13 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

I still have no idea why any couple would post private letters to one another on the internet.

JB & M leave most of us shaking our heads when trying to figure them out.

I really think they have become so enmeshed with the spotlight that in their minds, they don't exist without it.

[jcbrown]

19 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

I still have no idea why any couple would post private letters to one another on the internet.

How else would we know how superior they are to us? Other than the fact that they say it all. the. time. in various verbal ("we do things a little differently") and non-verbal passive-aggressive ways.

[Almost 3000]

1 hour ago, DangerousMinds said:

I still have no idea why any couple would post private letters to one another on the internet.

Silly, its their ministry and reason for everything.

[Arwen Evenstar]

5 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

"Michelle writes to Jimbob, Jimbob writes preaches to and lectures at the general public."   Fixed it for ya. 

He "sent" her a sermon for the masses on the evils of television. What a jerk.

Exactly.

Of course TeeVee is evil because no one who watches TV wants to see his face.  He looks like a constipated frog with a Lego hair helmet.

[Marigold]

5 hours ago, DangerousMinds said:

I still have no idea why any couple would post private letters to one another on the internet.

I think there are a few reasons.

1. Jim Bob and michlle don't have boundaries like regular people do, which is why they are on reality TV and film toilet births.

2. Truthfully, their fans really enjoy this stuff. Fans = money/TV show. So, if their fans enjoy it and clamor for more, I can understand why they post things on social media like this. It's their livelihood and people eat it up. For the Duggars, it's a win-win situation.

I HATE when people overshare on social media but I seem to be in the minority. 

Edited July 26, 2016 by Marigold

[Sew Sumi]

Nah, I hate over-sharing, but I think it's more a generational thing; millenials share EVERYTHING. I am going to the dentist for some hardcore work tomorrow. I will post a pic to my Insta and FB with all the dental tools. It gets the point across without having to take a selfie of the dentist drilling in my mouth. 

That's about it for sharing and me. :D

[Marigold]

Definately a generational thing. And, once again, we have Jim Bob and Michelle joining in on the teen crowd! Jim Bob would snap chat in the bedroom if he could figure it out.  Hey, he is a stud on the golf course! 

I get that theDuggar kidults use social media for silly pictures of sucking lollipops but Michelle and I are similiar ages...as an adult your "overshare radar" should start to ping. Jim Bob and Michelle only hear "ka-ching" $$$$$$

My opinion was that the letters were poorly written and nothing new was said. If I wrote my husband a public love letter, it would be a hell of a lot better than that mess of words. That's what made it extra stupid. Plus, it was too long.  

Edited July 27, 2016 by Marigold

[Sew Sumi]

They're only doing it because of their "celebrity."

 

The "Real Housewives" are all on Instagram, and most of them are of my (ie. the elder Duggars') generation. Frankly, most of them look stupid, except maybe Heather Dubrow, who is building that 22000 sf mansion. That excess has been interesting to watch come together. Sometimes, there's travel porn; Kyle Richards' is the best. I don't follow every housewife by any stretch. I mostly follow professional athletes and drag queens; they have the best stuff! 

The fundies? I watch to see if there's any hint of change and wonder how those girls find time to manage all that hair every.fucking.day.

[GeeGolly]

I'm not a fan of the constant oversharing by celebrities or the average Joe. I'm just glad my kids, all in their late 20s & early 30s, are not over sharers. I worry about kids, more so the under 25 crowd, and their self-esteem, and being so caught up with 'likes' & 'followers'. And JB & M have effed-up their kids views, and their owns views on reality, that I believe likes & followers mean more to them than just dollar signs.

[DoctorWhovian]

14 hours ago, Kokapetl said:

Compare Michelle's letter to Jimbob's letter. Michelle writes to Jimbob, Jimbob writes to general public. 

"Then shortly after our first year, someone gave us a TV and we connected it to cable television. We instantly noticed our communication dropped off, and that our attention turned from each other, to being glued to the TV. After 3 weeks of constant TV watching, we both agreed that this was not healthy for our relationship, so we got rid of the television in order to concentrate more on each other. Looking back, that is one of the best things we have done for our marriage and family." Take note, everyone, your life would be better with less TV in your life. You know, the thing that gives Jim Bob his platform to preach about his backwards family and keeps them all in multiple homes and a fleet of cars. But it's evil, don't 'cha know.

[Arwen Evenstar]

4 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

They're only doing it because of their "celebrity."

 

The "Real Housewives" are all on Instagram, and most of them are of my (ie. the elder Duggars') generation. Frankly, most of them look stupid, except maybe Heather Dubrow, who is building that 22000 sf mansion. That excess has been interesting to watch come together. Sometimes, there's travel porn; Kyle Richards' is the best. I don't follow every housewife by any stretch. I mostly follow professional athletes and drag queens; they have the best stuff! 

The fundies? I watch to see if there's any hint of change and wonder how those girls find time to manage all that hair every.fucking.day.

Latrice Mother Fucking Royale will always be more interesting to me than watching any stupid, insipid thing that the Duggars do!!!

[MunichNark]

WHY does that bitch always has to be in every fucking photo of her kids? Get out Meeechelle! You're not engaged, get the hell away and let them have their moment of glory. It's the only one they will ever have.

[Sew Sumi]

I remember both sets of parents being photographed with Michael Bates and Brandon Keilen when they got engaged. This seems to be a very common thing for fundies to do. The only engagement I can think of with no parents present was Jill's. The Keller parents accompanied Anna to that sad lunch at Gator Landing lo those eight years ago. 

Mechelle is probably cheesed that she missed those two. 

[DangerousMinds]

22 hours ago, Marigold said:

I think there are a few reasons.

1. Jim Bob and michlle don't have boundaries like regular people do, which is why they are on reality TV and film toilet births.

2. Truthfully, their fans really enjoy this stuff. Fans = money/TV show. So, if their fans enjoy it and clamor for more, I can understand why they post things on social media like this. It's their livelihood and people eat it up. For the Duggars, it's a win-win situation.

I HATE when people overshare on social media but I seem to be in the minority. 

Definitely NOT in the minority!

[Defrauder]

On 7/27/2016 at 0:34 AM, DoctorWhovian said:

"Then shortly after our first year, someone gave us a TV and we connected it to cable television. We instantly noticed our communication dropped off, and that our attention turned from each other, to being glued to the TV. After 3 weeks of constant TV watching, we both agreed that this was not healthy for our relationship, so we got rid of the television in order to concentrate more on each other. Looking back, that is one of the best things we have done for our marriage and family." Take note, everyone, your life would be better with less TV in your life. You know, the thing that gives Jim Bob his platform to preach about his backwards family and keeps them all in multiple homes and a fleet of cars. But it's evil, don't 'cha know.

And why did someone have to GIVE them a TV?  They were grifting way back when, proudly so. I wonder when they got 'rid' of the TV how much they sold it for.   No self discipline, none, 3 weeks of constant TV watching and the only way to stop is to 'get rid' of the TV.   But 'take note' everyone - less TV would be better in your life - but keep the set to watch our show about how you shouldn't watch TV because we are nothing if not hypocritical. 

[Defrauder]

Thinking about it some more I wonder if JB was upset that he was no longer getting Michelle's undivided attention once the TV came into the house.  He suddenly had to compete with the TV.  That's why he thinks it wasn't 'healthy' for their relationship.  He was no longer the only focus of her adoring gaze.  He couldn't stand it for more than 3 weeks so 'they both agreed'. 

[Vaysh]

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No self discipline, none, 3 weeks of constant TV watching and the only way to stop is to 'get rid' of the TV.  

That's what went through my mind as well when I read that quote. They have an extreme 'all or nothing' attitude about everything and no critical thinking skills whatsoever. So what if you watched a lot of TV for a few weeks, it was a novelty and would probably have worn off in time. And if they thought it affected their communication so badly, why not just TURN IT OFF? Most people manage to own a TV and not let it take over their lives.

I'm not sure I buy this story, it sounds doctored. I have a vague memory of it being a Gothard requirement for ATI families to get rid of their TV sets as part of his program for total control. The better to indoctrinate them (especially their children) without any outside influences, I always thought. Any kind of proper documentary or science program would've blown his stupid Wisdom Booklets out of the water so clearly TV must be evil.

[GeeGolly]

That's the Duggars for you - black & white and all or nothing thinking. They have no ability to mull things over. It they took a minute with the TV, maybe they could have been able to apply reasoning to that and then to raising their kids. Maybe they could have realized that the TV was new to them, the novelty would wear off, and like Defrauder mentioned, they could set limits on how much TV they watched.

Great minds think alike Vaysh.

Edited July 28, 2016 by GeeGolly
Got distracted before I pushed submit.

[Bitter Betty]

Didn't they post a picture earlier this year that gave a glimpse into the master bedroom and there was a TV on the wall?

[Churchhoney]

12 minutes ago, Bitter Betty said:

Didn't they post a picture earlier this year that gave a glimpse into the master bedroom and there was a TV on the wall?

Yep. Do as I say not as I do!               

Of course there's still the possibility that the bedroom screen is the household surveillance system. Or JB and M's version of a mirrored ceiling. Or both. : )

[Defrauder]

2 hours ago, Vaysh said:

That's what went through my mind as well when I read that quote. They have an extreme 'all or nothing' attitude about everything and no critical thinking skills whatsoever. So what if you watched a lot of TV for a few weeks, it was a novelty and would probably have worn off in time. And if they thought it affected their communication so badly, why not just TURN IT OFF? Most people manage to own a TV and not let it take over their lives.

I'm not sure I buy this story, it sounds doctored. I have a vague memory of it being a Gothard requirement for ATI families to get rid of their TV sets as part of his program for total control. The better to indoctrinate them (especially their children) without any outside influences, I always thought. Any kind of proper documentary or science program would've blown his stupid Wisdom Booklets out of the water so clearly TV must be evil.

The only thing they're consistent about is the fact that they can't control themselves.  Whether it's TV or accountability partners or courtship rules or hiding their knees they consistently give out the message that they can't control themselves.  They lack self control. They can't resist temptation.  They're incapable of controlling their own behavior and instincts.   It's just downright bizarre.  The average person who is exposed to various 'temptations' has no problem controlling themselves and their behavior, but the Duggars can't and make no secret of it.

[Arwen Evenstar]

1 hour ago, Churchhoney said:

Yep. Do as I say not as I do!               

Of course there's still the possibility that the bedroom screen is the household surveillance system. Or JB and M's version of a mirrored ceiling. Or both. : )

That conjures up a totally  skeevy image that's too much for me to deal with in my presently uncaffeinated state. 

If it's their surveillance system, no doubt there's a camera in the prayer closet since Smuggar couldn't be trusted not to comfort his rod and staff in there. I guess since Jeremy's about now, it's his jurisdiction to deal with that if Smuggs or any other Dugg boy steps out of line. I pity the fool.

Edited July 28, 2016 by Arwen Evenstar

[Churchhoney]

2 hours ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

That conjures up a totally  skeevy image that's too much for me to deal with in my presently uncaffeinated state. 

If it's their surveillance system, no doubt there's a camera in the prayer closet since Smuggar couldn't be trusted not to comfort his rod and staff in there. I guess since Jeremy's about now, it's his jurisdiction to deal with that if Smuggs or any other Dugg boy steps out of line. I pity the fool.

Yep to all this.

I've learned over time, though. Never come here before early-day caffeine or late-day alcohol. ;  ) 

[lulu69]

10 hours ago, Defrauder said:

Thinking about it some more I wonder if JB was upset that he was no longer getting Michelle's undivided attention once the TV came into the house.  He suddenly had to compete with the TV.  That's why he thinks it wasn't 'healthy' for their relationship.  He was no longer the only focus of her adoring gaze.  He couldn't stand it for more than 3 weeks so 'they both agreed'. 

Come to think of it, my son went through a stage like this. He was about 2 years old at the time. So, yup, sounds about right for JB.

[RedDelicious]

I just saw on FB that Michelle was spotted at the Philadelphia airport with Jessa and Bin.

[JoanArc]

Old Speech

 

Found this old speech on youtube. I skimmed it. They bash TV in one part, then tell people who watch the show in another. Michelle loses count of Caleb.

 

And they totally didn't seek out fame either.

 

Probably a few gems in it for those of you who can stomach it. Interesting to see them at their zenith, and bootlegged, too! Buy used...

[Sew Sumi]

Eeew, this is when they were hardcore campaining for Santorum. 

Boob claims he was "saved" at 7. Okey doke. 

Ooooh, JL bashing speech begins at 3:35. 

That baby voice. Click. 

Edited July 29, 2016 by Sew Sumi

[louannems]

16 hours ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

That conjures up a totally  skeevy image that's too much for me to deal with in my presently uncaffeinated state. 

If it's their surveillance system, no doubt there's a camera in the prayer closet since Smuggar couldn't be trusted not to comfort his rod and staff in there. I guess since Jeremy's about now, it's his jurisdiction to deal with that if Smuggs or any other Dugg boy steps out of line. I pity the fool.

I still need to find Jeremy's video instructing the Howler about the evilness of self-pleasure.  Is it Duggar Studio?

[Sew Sumi]

No, I'm pretty sure it was released through his church. It was presented in the context of a sermon with Howlers and others in attendance at what looked to be the entrance hall of the Pool House. 

Sorry, but I'm too lazy to find it now. 

[JoanArc]

Jill's son James was in that one. He looked bored as hell. 

[Arwen Evenstar]

That's ok, Sew, I'm not sure I'd ever be able to unsee or unhear that little gem.

[Churchhoney]

5 hours ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

That's ok, Sew, I'm not sure I'd ever be able to unsee or unhear that little gem.

Well, here it is, anyway.

 

He starts by saying that it's not often that men get to talk with men about sexual lust. ..... Where has he been?

Then a quick followup showing that he definitely has something in common with Jinge. He, too, became aware at age 5 that he was a monstrous sinner. Really.

[Sew Sumi]

This generation is on the ball. TFDW claims he was saved at 3. In that lecture JoanArc posted upthread yesterday, Boob claimed salvation at 7, and of course we know that Mechelle was 15. Slackers. 

[Missy Vixen]

On 7/26/2016 at 5:41 PM, Sew Sumi said:

I mostly follow professional athletes and drag queens; they have the best stuff! 

The fundies? I watch to see if there's any hint of change and wonder how those girls find time to manage all that hair every.fucking.day.

If you're ever on Twitter, Chris Kluwe is a goldmine of humor and outrage. @ChrisWarcraft

The hair: Those women have nothing else to do, especially the Duggars. They're probably in the bathroom with hair and makeup an hour a day.

[Missy Vixen]

On 7/28/2016 at 4:27 AM, Churchhoney said:

Yep. Do as I say not as I do!               

Of course there's still the possibility that the bedroom screen is the household surveillance system. Or JB and M's version of a mirrored ceiling. Or both. : )

They're watching TV and lying about it.

I'm also guessing they're not watching Andy Griffith reruns, either.

[Jynnan tonnix]

6 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

Well, here it is, anyway.

 

 

He starts by saying that it's not often that men get to talk with men about sexual lust. ..... Where has he been?

Then a quick followup showing that he definitely has something in common with Jinge. He, too, became aware at age 5 that he was a monstrous sinner. Really.

Wow. I just listened to that entire thing (while playing solitaire). Scary stuff. Like, honestly frightening. His reiteration of "whatever it takes" , over and over. I could see him as a cult leader. His constant reminders of the tortures of hell, and almost the inevitability of it if not for the constant vigilance. I'm not sure what happens to the notion of forgiveness in his ideology, but for all that he talks about Jesus giving up everything to redeem mankind, it doesn't seem that he believes in salvation outside of constant groveling and denial with the constant threat of losing it if you slip up.

"Whatever it takes" would seem to include literally cutting off a hand or plucking out an eye to avoid sexual immorality. He talks about that passage and never hints that it might not be literal. He talks about fasting and praying not giving up on either until it's enough for God to answer, because even losing your life is better than losing your soul. He goes on and on about a passage from the Bible wherein Israel is cursed until someone (sorry, not a Bible scholar and couldn't quite make out all the particulars) ended the curses by killing the sinners. Being "jealous for your God" is apparently a great thing even up to that point. "Whatever it takes".....

I see absolutely no softness or compassion in him whatsoever, and honestly fear for poor "meek" Jinger. I have to wonder whether he hasn't been encouraging (or bullying) her into fasting over something as frail as she looks.

She has been looking happier in the past few photos, I'll give her that, but I still don't trust someone with Jeremy's mindset an inch.

[louannems]

I watched the video.  Jeremy's a nutcase!  The boys are bored and freezing, wearing jackets indoors!  JB doesn't heat the pool house ?  And was that Ben in the maroon ski cap who kept yawning?  Horrible to scare those boys that way!  A lot of emphasis on the Jezebels of the world tempting poor, helpless men!

[Sew Sumi]

Yeah, from what I recall of that wretched video, Jeremy really relished telling the stories of those sluts Jezebel and Bathsheba. It just reinforces that it's always the woman's fault in their little world. Men? They're just going to be tempted all the time and going to have to pray away the temptation. 

Barf.

[sometimesy]

Thank you Churchhoney. 

Haven't listened yet, but, umm err, did the guys in the dressing room not talk to Jeremy? Pretty sure jocks manage to squeeze 'talking about sex and lust' into conversations.  

Less than a minute in... omg he has godly parents.. he does Duggspeak. Double plus not good.  

Edited July 30, 2016 by sometimesy

[Jynnan tonnix]

4 hours ago, louannems said:

I watched the video.  Jeremy's a nutcase!  The boys are bored and freezing, wearing jackets indoors!  JB doesn't heat the pool house ?  And was that Ben in the maroon ski cap who kept yawning?  Horrible to scare those boys that way!  A lot of emphasis on the Jezebels of the world tempting poor, helpless men!

Who was the dark-haired, sort of cute guy in the armchair in the front (to Jeremy's left)? He seemed monumentally bored, and was fiddling with a cell-phone much of the time. It did occur to me that he might be recording the sermon and taking notes on it or something, but right at the end, when Jeremy was praying and all the kids had their heads bowed (some way toward their knees), this kid, though he was blocked from view by Jeremy much of the time, was alternating between still fooling with the cell-phone, scratching his eyebrow, and lolling back in the armchair stretching (I think he yawned as well). Just didn't have the same demeanor as the others.

[Defrauder]

OMG at 5 years old he thought he was in Satan's Kingdom?  

[sometimesy]

JB really knows how to pick 'em hunh? It isn't the talent I had supposed though. This guy is obviously perfect for the cult,  eg: any sexual deviance (like stroking your own dangly bit in privacy) is because of harlots. Yeah, so JB didn't go outlier here afterall. 

Edited July 30, 2016 by sometimesy

[JoanArc]

18 minutes ago, Defrauder said:

OMG at 5 years old he thought he was in Satan's Kingdom?  

Have you BEEN to Philly?

[Defrauder]

24 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

Have you BEEN to Philly?

I honestly don't remember. 

[Defrauder]

On 7/28/2016 at 9:30 PM, JoanArc said:

Old Speech

 

Found this old speech on youtube. I skimmed it. They bash TV in one part, then tell people who watch the show in another. Michelle loses count of Caleb.

 

And they totally didn't seek out fame either.

 

Probably a few gems in it for those of you who can stomach it. Interesting to see them at their zenith, and bootlegged, too! Buy used...

Call me shocked that Michelle never had to cook or clean as a kid.  Didn't know JB grew up with electric being shut off and their home foreclosed on.  Not surprised he thought it was OK to shove 14 kids into 2 bedrooms.   By the way  JB, I was on my own and I was a single mother and I never had my electric shut off.

[Sew Sumi]

We also don't know how much of his story is hyperbole or straight-up lies. The Duggars didn't start using this speech until after Jimmy Lee died. I think Boob really resented the guy. Failing to get him even a used wheelchair for use near the end, rather than pushing him around in an off ice chair demonstrates his true affection. I think the only reason Boob took them in at all was because of Mary.

[JoanArc]

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  By the way  JB, I was on my own and I was a single mother and I never had my electric shut off.

It's ok, neither did Jim Bob's somewhat well off family, in reality. He went to private school FFS.

[Defrauder]

1 hour ago, JoanArc said:

It's ok, neither did Jim Bob's somewhat well off family, in reality. He went to private school FFS.

Hey you're right! JB lied and I believed him.  I feel really stupid right now.