S05.E16: Amster-Damn

[hypnotoad]

 

My problem is that Lisar was portraying herself one way, the caring addict whisperer. And in actuality she doesn't give a damn about Kim Richards

 

I don't think it has to mean Lisa R didn't really care about Kim at that time. Perhaps she decided Kim wasn't worth her time or effort after the restaurant outburst.  Guess what? I don't blame her.

 

 

Maybe for one or two episodes, but for 11 episodes I find that rather punitive and mean spirited to say the least.  I also find it exploiting a persons weakness for profit.

 

Then Kim shouldn't have taken a pill that rendered her high in front of her employer Bravo because Bravo is seemingly happy to exploit her weakness for profit.

[tabloidlover]

It took me until today to catch up on reading all of the pages just to post!  So very many of you are spot on!  I have enjoyed the snark much more than the episode itself.  For the love of all that keeps me sane... Can Kim cut me a fuckin break and take even a sliver of responsibility?  Like, even an iota?  No?  She is such an asshole fucktard, I just can't with her.  If you don't want to be judged on your addiction issues, perhaps you could try not to get high before being in the company of others ON.CAMERA.  

[SFoster21]

Kim is exploiting her own damn self and laughing all the way to the bank. She doesn't care what anyone else thinks; she's fine.

[zoeysmom]

Lisar is entitled to her opinion about calling Kim an addict because Kim took a pill rendering her high in front of her.  Maybe for one or two episodes, but for 11 episodes I find that rather punitive and mean spirited to say the least.  I also find it exploiting a persons weakness for profit.

The way to get people to stop talking about is to apologize and Kim instead of apologizing she continued with more abhorrent behavior.  From not being able to clearly define how long she was in the hospital to throwing out a series of maladies than would not amount to hospitalization, to engaging in a lot of double speak between about Kyle to Brandi, to bringing Brandi to crash the party.  I will give Lisar a pass as far as Calgary.  In Amsterdam I think Kim and Lisar  should have just let it be.  it isn't Lisar or Kim decision what the producers decide to edit for one episode.  Obviously they like to split the more exciting encounters over two episodes.

 

Kim has allowed her "weakness" to be exploited for profit.  She doesn't want her kids to be embarrassed by her behavior but she keeps signing up for the show.  I do think when Kim realizes, which may not come until Reunion time, exactly what Brandi was up to with shifting the blame to Kim and her issues she will be devastated.  Kim doesn't get that she needs to learn how to atone.  She thinks by apologizing to her children she has made all right with the world.  In reality the rest of the world wants her to apologize to those she has hurt or offended.  So far she owes apologies to Kyle, Lisar, Eileen, Yolanda, Lisav and even Brandi-but Brandi claims she is so strong she wouldn't want one.  I do think after the dog chomped Kay Rosario's arm that Kim's kids were probably concerned about her lack of responsibility.

[WireWrap]

If the truth is Kim had no HH secret then I guess Kim had nothing to say about the rumor at the Reunion because it's non-existent.

No, she would laugh and say she was "just joking" just as her BF like to say!

 

For the most part Kyle is pretty truthful-especially if it is something that has been filmed-she has a pretty good recollection.  I know you don't like her but of all the past RH and with the exception of Eileen she is a pretty straight shooter when it comes to telling the truth.  I think that is why Bravo uses her as the PR person-she does a lot of their upfront stuff.  I think she would set the record straight for Kim. I do think that is program patter about keeping your focus on your own house.  The problem is Kim used it as a weapon.

 

Which left me wondering if Kyle doesn't come back who takes her place as the party central planner and the one who always tries to keep the band together.   Obviously Kyle would never not invite her sister and Kim has the balls to just bring Brandi crashing into Kyle's life. Yolanda is out as she is too ill and clueless and Lisav has no desire.  That leaves either Rinna or Eileen and I think Eileen has certain expectations conduct wise that would make her not inclusive.

I don't see Kyle leaving the show, at least not voluntarily and I do not see Bravo firing her. Kim can still go to things like the WP if fired but that does not mean she has to be filmed or anything other than a person seen in the background.

 

I don't think it has to mean Lisa R didn't really care about Kim at that time. Perhaps she decided Kim wasn't worth her time or effort after the restaurant outburst.  Guess what? I don't blame her.

 

 

Then Kim shouldn't have taken a pill that rendered her high in front of her employer Bravo because Bravo is seemingly happy to exploit her weakness for profit.

Bravo is making money off Kim, not LisaR or any of the other HWs with the exception of Brandi. Most of the other HWs willingly film with LisaR, that is not the same with Brandi though, especially if Yolanda leaves after this season and I do not see anyone wanting to have Kim as a sidekick next year if she returns.

[AnnA]

I also find it exploiting a persons weakness for profit.

That is exactly what it is but LisaR is not the only one doing it. It starts at the top with Bravo, is true for all the cast members (including Kim who let it happen for a paycheck) and trickles down to the viewers who watch the show week after week while Bravo and the cast cash their checks.

[WireWrap]

The way to get people to stop talking about is to apologize and Kim instead of apologizing she continued with more abhorrent behavior.  From not being able to clearly define how long she was in the hospital to throwing out a series of maladies than would not amount to hospitalization, to engaging in a lot of double speak between about Kyle to Brandi, to bringing Brandi to crash the party.  I will give Lisar a pass as far as Calgary.  In Amsterdam I think Kim and Lisar  should have just let it be.  it isn't Lisar or Kim decision what the producers decide to edit for one episode.  Obviously they like to split the more exciting encounters over two episodes.

 

Kim has allowed her "weakness" to be exploited for profit.  She doesn't want her kids to be embarrassed by her behavior but she keeps signing up for the show.  I do think when Kim realizes, which may not come until Reunion time, exactly what Brandi was up to with shifting the blame to Kim and her issues she will be devastated.  Kim doesn't get that she needs to learn how to atone.  She thinks by apologizing to her children she has made all right with the world.  In reality the rest of the world wants her to apologize to those she has hurt or offended.  So far she owes apologies to Kyle, Lisar, Eileen, Yolanda, Lisav and even Brandi-but Brandi claims she is so strong she wouldn't want one.  I do think after the dog chomped Kay Rosario's arm that Kim's kids were probably concerned about her lack of responsibility.

I question how much less talk about Kim there would have been had Brandi not added fuel to the worry over Kim in the talk between her and LisaR. We have seen Brandi talk to Jen, twice about Kim, to Yolanda twice about Kim and talking to Kim about Kim as well.

[Chit Chat]

In Amsterdam I think Kim and Lisar  should have just let it be.

I wish that Yolanda wouldn't have asked everybody to share something meaningful/painful in their life.  Good grief lady, that's no way to start a vacation!  Why don't you housewives shelve the feelings for a week or so and enjoy your surroundings!  It's maddening!  Of course with this show, drama is the name of the game, so it should be expected that some shit will hit the fan at some point. 

[missy jo]

Well, I feel just as smug as Kim was after the dinner fight, because I never fell for the goofy, ditzy persona she tried to put on last season.

 

We've seen that "Being Kim Richards Means Never Having to Apologize," but to take it a step further, she seems to lack much basic empathy, encouragement or support for anyone else.

 

Harry has been mentioned a lot as the trigger for Lisa's outburst, but I think it was more the final straw. She got really emotional talking about her sister's death. Then Kim couldn't even muster a token "I'm sorry for your loss" before popping off, and it spiraled down from there.*

 

As far as the others' reactions, it went: 1. Kim: "Have a piece of bread, Lisa." 2. Eileen and others to Kim: "Shame on you. You're disgusting." 3. Insinuations about Harry. I think the pearl-clutching by the other HWs was initially about an alleged eating disorder, and showed that there might be something to that.

 

* I'm talking reasons, not excuses. I'd be scared and pissed as hell to have that broken glass flying around me. Not. Cool.

[parisprincess]

Well then Lisar should not have been feeding the viewers a line of concern for poor Kim and giving out personal stories about her dear BILs that died of alcoholism and her beloved sister that died of an overdose. All in order to drum up her addiction credits and inflate her non-existent care for a person she targeted as a fallen off the wagon addict.  But I guess she's an actress we shouldn't expect anything more from her. Your right she never gave a damn for Kim's health...it was a big joke.

 

I basically said that I wouldn't be surprised if none of these women cared that much about each other since they're not real friends outside of filming for Bravo.  I didn't say LisaR didn't give a damn or that it was a big joke.  I don't believe any of them consider Kim's situation a joke by any means.  I think Lisa does have a concern because of her family's history, although she has definitely gone further with her concern than she has a right to.  I hope she realizes by now that Kim has no interest in being helped by any of them, and that they ALL back off and let Kim lean on her bestie Brandi for support.     

[GreatKazu]

That's the part that gets me too.  Now that I have been able to travel for pleasure, I do try to keep my baggage as little as possible because I just don't want to be encumbered by anything that interferes with my enjoyment of the sites and culture I am experiencing.  Guess the bitch-wives are more concerned with the sunglasses-du-jour and how they THINK they look (heads up, Kyle) and impressing (or, at best, attempting to) the viewers than with the places they are actually so fortunate to be visiting....makes me want to vomit....truly...

Except we did see Kyle and YoFo partake in sightseeing in Spain and visit a couple of beautiful sites. Kyle and YoFo riding the donuts on the ocean in Spain was a pretty cool thing to watch. Surely better than this shit drama about Kim, Brandi, and LisaR.  Then, there was Kyle and Eileen visiting a museum while the rest of the ladies went to shop in Amsterdam. Lisa yammered in the background about not wanting to spend all day in a museum. As a group, they took the bike journey through Amsterdam. I want more of that, please Bravo!! Checking out Instagram accounts and other sources, it seems the ladies did more than what we are seeing on the show. Bravo wants to shove certain things down our throat, and then there is the issue of time constraint and needing to air commercials.

 

 

I don't believe any of them consider Kim's situation a joke by any means.  I think Lisa does have a concern because of her family's history, although she has definitely gone further with her concern than she has a right to.  I hope she realizes by now that Kim has no interest in being helped by any of them, and that they ALL back off and let Kim lean on her bestie Brandi for support.

Well said.

[parisprincess]

I don't understand why Brandi even went with the others to the pot place.  As Kim's best friend, rather than leave her alone at the hotel, she should have made other plans with her.  With so much to see in a beautiful city like Amsterdam, I sure as hell wouldn't want to be spending my evening sitting in a hotel room.  And its not as if Brandi is fond of any of the other women, so why she'd want to hang out with them instead of Kim is beyond me.

[Found A Peanut]

Kim has allowed her "weakness" to be exploited for profit.  She doesn't want her kids to be embarrassed by her behavior but she keeps signing up for the show.  I do think when Kim realizes, which may not come until Reunion time, exactly what Brandi was up to with shifting the blame to Kim and her issues she will be devastated.  Kim doesn't get that she needs to learn how to atone.  She thinks by apologizing to her children she has made all right with the world.  In reality the rest of the world wants her to apologize to those she has hurt or offended.  So far she owes apologies to Kyle, Lisar, Eileen, Yolanda, Lisav and even Brandi-but Brandi claims she is so strong she wouldn't want one.  I do think after the dog chomped Kay Rosario's arm that Kim's kids were probably concerned about her lack of responsibility.

You think Kim has apologized to her kids? I mean, I suppose it's possible like all things are possible, but I'm skeptical. I think at most she might manage to summon up an "I'm sorry if..." like she said when Kyle left the table on Poker Night, but, going by the nonpology she gave Lisar, Kim's m.o. is to eject a squid cloud of self-justifications and butthurt and then jet away.

The Kim we saw getting a rush from attacking nearly everyone around her is someone I think her children will recognize. Even Kim described it in her TH as "me at my worst" not "OMG, I never..." Her poor kids.

[quinn]

Though Hamlin, 63, was hesitant about his wife joining the show, the actor is ultimately pleased with her work on the Bravo reality series.

"Well, you know, I am [proud] because she’s doing a magnificent job," he said. "I think she’s bringing some class to a show that is kind of a reflection of who we are today. So in some sense it is art in that respect. I think she’s doing an extraordinary job."

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[WireWrap]

I don't understand why Brandi even went with the others to the pot place.  As Kim's best friend, rather than leave her alone at the hotel, she should have made other plans with her.  With so much to see in a beautiful city like Amsterdam, I sure as hell wouldn't want to be spending my evening sitting in a hotel room.  And its not as if Brandi is fond of any of the other women, so why she'd want to hang out with them instead of Kim is beyond me.

It is called camera time! LOL She knew whatever they, she/Kim, did, it would never, ever make it past editing!

[missy jo]

As far as production/story lines, I think that the loggers have to make notes on all the footage (can you imagine how annoying that must be), and then the story editors have to view it all and come up with the main narratives for the season. The beginning of the season was dull as dirt for me, but I'm enjoying the current carnage.

[Found A Peanut]

Though Hamlin, 63, was hesitant about his wife joining the show, the actor is ultimately pleased with her work on the Bravo reality series.

"Well, you know, I am [proud] because she’s doing a magnificent job," he said. "I think she’s bringing some class to a show that is kind of a reflection of who we are today. So in some sense it is art in that respect. I think she’s doing an extraordinary job."

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Hee! Awww, Harry lurrrves Lisa, why you gotta be hatin'?

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[motorcitymom65]

Heh, I am sooo guilty of this.  I can over pack with the best of 'em.  My stuff and I have separation anxiety issues, OKAY?!  We're seeing someone about it.  ; ) 

 

And I like to have options.  And plenty of shoes.  And toiletries and hair appliances and, well, you get the idea.  lol 

 

For my own greedy fashion-porn needs, I'm glad they over pack.  I also like seeing these women dragging their luggage around with them because it's always comedy gold. 

 

 

 

 

 

I totally get the luggage thing with the gals, but I am a serial over-packer even though I travel most every week for work. I don't care if the hotel has a hair dryer, I want mine. Leave my Clarisonic at home? The very thought makes me nervous. I want to have it all with me. I packed 3 pairs of boots for a 4 day trip to LA, and it is 80 degrees here. I am happy and proud to report I have found an occasion to wear all three. I can only imagine if I were on TV and folks would be watching and snarking. I would have to bring someone with me just to shuttle my bags around. Watching them do it cracks me up. But stay off the escalators with the luggage carts ladies. 

Edited March 9, 2015 by motorcitymom65

[quinn]

Hee! Awww, Harry lurrrves Lisa, why you gotta be hatin'?

 

LOL, Harry can love Lisa all he wants but she is neither classy nor a purveyor of art.

[ToukieSmith]

 

ryebread, on 07 Mar 2015 - 9:21 PM, said:

    Respectfully disagree and here's why.  When Kim said that, I stopped to imagine what it would've been like if Kathy had been there.  We've speculated about how  close Kathy is to Kim.  Closer than Kim and Kyle.  Kathy is a broad.  A dame.  With a gun in her hand she'd be a moll.  We know she's not afraid to talk up or down to anyone. She's also the matriarch of that twisted family.  I don't doubt she would have defended Kim.  Right or wrong.  She would've gone postal on Lisa Rinna and Eileen would not have dared to raise her soap boxy, breathy voice at Kathy.  So I don't think that came from Brandi, at all.  I think it came from years of Kathy standing up for Kim, and probably Kyle, unconditionally.  Little Kathy has become Big Kathy.

Eileen Davidson is an accomplished actress; works on two soap operas with an Emmy.  Why in heavens name would she ever back down from Kathy Hilton, mother of both Paris and Barron Hilton? While the Hiltons have money, I have never gotten the impression the were heavy weights in the Hollywood arena.  I don't believe Eileen or Lisa have anything to fear from the Hiltons.

 

Me neither.  Kathy is a broad, but a broad can be handled if you are strong and confident of your position.  Heck, Eileen and the Lisas are broads too.  Brandi, Kim, and Kyle are the only ones intimidated by Kathy.

[zoeysmom]

I don't understand why Brandi even went with the others to the pot place.  As Kim's best friend, rather than leave her alone at the hotel, she should have made other plans with her.  With so much to see in a beautiful city like Amsterdam, I sure as hell wouldn't want to be spending my evening sitting in a hotel room.  And its not as if Brandi is fond of any of the other women, so why she'd want to hang out with them instead of Kim is beyond me.

Brandi told her hairdresser she would just hang with Kim if the ladies decided to visit places that served marijuana. Brandi valued screen time over Kim.

[SwordQueen]

I totally get the luggage thing with the gals, but I am a serial over-packer even though I travel most every week for work. I don't care if the hotel has a hair dryer, I want mine. Leave my Clarisonic at home? The very thought makes me nervous. I want to have it all with me. I packed 3 pairs of boots for a 4 day trip to LA, and it is 80 degrees here. I am happy and proud to report I have found an occasion to wear all three. I can only imagine if I were on TV and folks would be watching and snarking. I would have to bring someone with me just to shuttle my bags around. Watching them do it cracks me up. But stay off the escalators with the luggage carts ladies. 

 

And here I thought I couldn't like you any more than I already do.  Packing Twins! 

 

For four days, I could easily bring 3-4 pairs of heels, a pair of wedges, booties, 1-2 pair knee high boots, a pair of thigh high boots, my workout trainers, and begrudgingly, a pair of ballet flats or sandals.  lol  And omg, the thought of leaving my Clarisonic is giving me hives.  Don't even get me started on jewelry.  It's like a disease and I'm 100% shameless.  I've become a pro at packing a my stuff though. 

 

I get a kick out of the HW packing scenes, even though they're totally staged.  But I like seeing them go through their closets and getting approval from whichever poor soul was roped into filming with them.  BRAVO could film 100% of its scenes in the HW closets and it would be my favorite show ever.  Bring in a table and chairs and a vase of roses and they could sit and sip tea while spilling some tea of their own.  Their end of the season rap* party could be held inside Lisa's closet.  It's bigger and more elegant looking than her restaurants, anyway. 

 

I can see Kyle now, grabbing one of Lisa's rhinestone-encrusted blouses and dabbing her tearful, black lined eyes with it.  Kim would be on the floor, trying to crush and snort one of Lisa's diamond solitaires.  Brandi would be drinking out of a pink Louboutin, by the end of the night.  Lisa would be cracking jokes about "coming out of the closet" and laughing to herself.  Yo would remind us all that her fridge is still bigger.  Lisa R would try on all of Lisa V's lipsticks and cover the mirrors in lip prints.  Eileen would be trying to dig a tunnel out of there using the sugar spoon.  I want to be invited! 

 

 

*Wrap party, not rap party, but I'm keeping it like that.  lol 

Edited March 9, 2015 by SwordQueen

[thewhiteowl]

 

Their end of the season rap party could be held inside Lisa's closet.

 

 

 Rap party? That's a disturbing visual, these white bread ho'wives rapping the night away.

 

 I know what you meant, just being cheeky. ;)

 

[SwordQueen]

 Rap party? That's a disturbing visual, these white bread ho'wives rapping the night away.

 

 I know what you meant, just being cheeky. ;)

 

Hilarious auto correct.  lol   That would be scary, indeed. 

 

 

eta:  Can you imagine Brandi, with that squeaky voice of hers, rapping?

Edited March 9, 2015 by SwordQueen

[thewhiteowl]

Hilarious auto correct.  lol   That would be scary, indeed. 

 

 

eta:  Can you imagine Brandi, with that squeaky voice of hers, rapping?

 

 No, I would have nightmares.

Kim's turtle rap might be good, if you don't expect coherence...

[BlackMamba]

The way to get people to stop talking about is to apologize and Kim instead of apologizing she continued with more abhorrent behavior.  From not being able to clearly define how long she was in the hospital to throwing out a series of maladies than would not amount to hospitalization, to engaging in a lot of double speak between about Kyle to Brandi, to bringing Brandi to crash the party.  I will give Lisar a pass as far as Calgary.  In Amsterdam I think Kim and Lisar  should have just let it be.  it isn't Lisar or Kim decision what the producers decide to edit for one episode.  Obviously they like to split the more exciting encounters over two episodes.

 

Kim has allowed her "weakness" to be exploited for profit.  She doesn't want her kids to be embarrassed by her behavior but she keeps signing up for the show.  I do think when Kim realizes, which may not come until Reunion time, exactly what Brandi was up to with shifting the blame to Kim and her issues she will be devastated.  Kim doesn't get that she needs to learn how to atone.  She thinks by apologizing to her children she has made all right with the world.  In reality the rest of the world wants her to apologize to those she has hurt or offended.  So far she owes apologies to Kyle, Lisar, Eileen, Yolanda, Lisav and even Brandi-but Brandi claims she is so strong she wouldn't want one.  I do think after the dog chomped Kay Rosario's arm that Kim's kids were probably concerned about her lack of responsibility.

 

Absolutely!  This all starts and ends with Kim!  I will say I don't like Brandi one damn bit but I will say Kim even owes her an apology for getting her involved between she and her sister with those "2am phones calls."  You know the history between Brandi and Kyle why even do that and there could be that possibly Brandi would use it at any given time to rage a war with Kyle, like it started up again on Poker Night.  Now Brandi doesn't get off light now, Brandi has done her fair share shit this season to keep it all going and being manipulative between Kim/Lisa R.  But I'm sick of the "poor Kim" nonsense especially when she has caused all the problems before and during the filming the season.  Again I'm gonna be uber pissed if during this supposed intense reunion, Kim barely gets a called out for her addiction and behavior throughout the second half of the season.

[SwordQueen]

 No, I would have nightmares.

Kim's turtle rap might be good, if you don't expect coherence...

 

Only if it were about the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.  That has the potential to be both bad and bad ass. 

 

She and Brandi could do one together about turtles, tampons, chicken salad, and fingers (banging, and pointing).  To the tune of "Baby Got Back".

[breezy424]

I just wanted to take moment to thank all of you who have shared your stories of addiction and/or dealing with an addict.  When dealing with an addict, you question yourself constantly.  You always wonder if you're doing the right thing.   

 

BTW, one of the first things you learn at Al anon is the serenity prayer.  I hope Kyle and others who are dealing with an addict let it guide them:

 

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.
 

[BlackMamba]

Ok Zoeysmom, Wire, Sword or anyone  - But why does Kyle in every media interview I have seen about Kim and her addiction she only acknowledges she's recovering alcoholic or possibly drinking again.  Or at least this season hasn't been about her alcohol usage, it's been about her taking pills?  Now she could be doing both, I hold nothing pass Kim at this point.  It just Kyle seems to not be acknowledging that it was "the pill" that got this whole thing going. 

Edited March 9, 2015 by BlackMamba

[SwordQueen]

Ok Zoeysmom, Wire, Sword or anyone  - But why does Kyle in every media interview I have seen about Kim and her addiction she only acknowledges she's recovering alcoholic or possibly drinking again.  Or at least this season hasn't been about her alcohol usage, it's been about her taking pills?  Now she could be doing both, I hold nothing pass Kim at this point.  It just Kyle seems to not be acknowledging that it was "the pill" that got this whole thing going. 

 

Because while Kyle loved yachting in Spain on the Mediterranean Sea this season, her favorite vacationing place is a river in Egypt?

 

 

I think it's 1) denial, 2) easier/simpler to explain, 3) more socially acceptable, 4) she doesn't want to get shit for "outing" Kim any more than she already has, and 5)denial, hey, nice to see you again.

[WireWrap]

Ok Zoeysmom, Wire, Sword or anyone  - But why does Kyle in every media interview I have seen about Kim and her addiction she only acknowledges she's recovering alcoholic or possibly drinking again.  Or at least this season hasn't been about her alcohol usage, it's been about her taking pills?  Now she could be doing both, I hold nothing pass Kim at this point.  It just Kyle seems to not be acknowledging that it was "the pill" that got this whole thing going. 

My theory is that the Richards think that being an alcoholic is less stigmatizing than being a drug addict is. Alcohol is legal but drug addiction/abuse, even if they are prescription drugs written for the addict, is illegal. Kim has been a drug addict from way back if reports were/are correct and IMO, they are trying to lessen any damage to her "career" and her children by saying it is alcohol addiction.  JMO though

[AnnA]

Ok Zoeysmom, Wire, Sword or anyone  - But why does Kyle in every media interview I have seen about Kim and her addiction she only acknowledges she's recovering alcoholic or possibly drinking again.  Or at least this season hasn't been about her alcohol usage, it's been about her taking pills?  Now she could be doing both, I hold nothing pass Kim at this point.  It just Kyle seems to not be acknowledging that it was "the pill" that got this whole thing going.

That rationale may have come from Big Kathy and her family. Having an alcoholic in the family isn't as bad/embarrassing or whatever as having a drug addict in the family........at least in their own minds anyway.

[BlackMamba]

My theory is that the Richards think that being an alcoholic is less stigmatizing than being a drug addict is. Alcohol is legal but drug addiction/abuse, even if they are prescription drugs written for the addict, is illegal. Kim has been a drug addict from way back if reports were/are correct and IMO, they are trying to lessen any damage to her "career" and her children by saying it is alcohol addiction.  JMO though

 

 

Because while Kyle loved yachting in Spain on the Mediterranean Sea this season, her favorite vacationing place is a river in Egypt?

 

 

I think it's 1) denial, 2) easier/simpler to explain, 3) more socially acceptable, 4) she doesn't want to get shit for "outing" Kim any more than she already has, and 5)denial, hey, nice to see you again.

 

Agreed. Thanks a million!

[SwordQueen]

A BFF of mine had that mentality. She was gorgeous, well off and ran in a wealthy social circle (She was slumming, with me.  lol).  Being an alcoholic and (in her circle at least) an Rx abuser was much more socially acceptable than being a <whispers> street drug user.  She balked at going to AA/NA at first because she thought that was for <whispers> street drug users and "junkies", but that was her rationalizing the shit out of her addiction because she hadn't hit bottom yet.  There's certain stigma with different drugs and some are more "high class", so it would be social suicide to admit to using anything else.  Plenty of people feel that way, and I can see that in Kyle and Kim. 

[zoeysmom]

Ok Zoeysmom, Wire, Sword or anyone  - But why does Kyle in every media interview I have seen about Kim and her addiction she only acknowledges she's recovering alcoholic or possibly drinking again.  Or at least this season hasn't been about her alcohol usage, it's been about her taking pills?  Now she could be doing both, I hold nothing pass Kim at this point.  It just Kyle seems to not be acknowledging that it was "the pill" that got this whole thing going. 

Kim has said she is an alcoholic and Kyle has said it is Kim's story to tell.  I have never heard Kyle say Ki's is drinking again in an interview.  During the Paris trip Kyle in a TH asked if Kim was sober and later Kim admitted to a medication error.  I think  Kyle believes Kim when she said she took Monty's pain meds. 

[motorcitymom65]

I think that Kyle is sticking by the family line with the alcohol deal. This is what Kim wants the world to think, and after outing her once, she isn't going to do it again. It has always been interesting to me, however, that in the heat of the moment when the gloves were off in the back of that limo, Kyle called her an alcoholic, not a drug addict. 

 

I do think that there is much more of a stigma with abusing drugs, especially ones like meth or heroin. Many of us think "by the grace of God" with regard to alcohol, because it is socially acceptable and everywhere. Many folks can understand someone becoming an alcoholic, but becoming a street-drug addict? An entirely different deal. It is not socially acceptable to do meth or the other stuff, so the fact that you became addicted to something you were a dumb ass to be trying to begin with doesn't bring a ton of sympathy. 

[talula]

LOL, Harry can love Lisa all he wants but she is neither classy nor a purveyor of art.

The only art LisaR is a purveyor of is self promotion.

[njbchlover]

I don't understand why Brandi even went with the others to the pot place.  As Kim's best friend, rather than leave her alone at the hotel, she should have made other plans with her.  With so much to see in a beautiful city like Amsterdam, I sure as hell wouldn't want to be spending my evening sitting in a hotel room.  And its not as if Brandi is fond of any of the other women, so why she'd want to hang out with them instead of Kim is beyond me.

 

I wondered about this, as well, and then started thinking that  maybe Kim was in a forced "time out" by the producers.  

[breezy424]

Because while Kyle loved yachting in Spain on the Mediterranean Sea this season, her favorite vacationing place is a river in Egypt?

 

 

I think it's 1) denial, 2) easier/simpler to explain, 3) more socially acceptable, 4) she doesn't want to get shit for "outing" Kim any more than she already has, and 5)denial, hey, nice to see you again.

I think it number four:  she doesn't want to get shit for "outing" Kim any more than she already has.  I also don't think it has anything to do with their mother or anything else.  What Kyle has done with her handling of Kim is the most 'natural' way of dealing with this, whether you come from whatever background.  And we've seen the 'shit' that Kyle has gotten for how daring to out Kim.  She has gotten it from all sides, and now including Yolanda.  She can't win, so to speak.  The best thing that Kyle can do is live the life she has made for herself.  She can't change Kim.  Only Kim can do that.

[GreatKazu]

 

I hate that Brandi outed her, but I think Kyle deserved being outed as much as folks here claim Kim DESERVED being outed by Lisa Rinna for the limo ride.

We didn't need LisaR to out Kim. Kim did that ALL ON HER OWN. Stevie Wonder could see that Kim was all kinds of fucked up in that limo. Kim could have been in that limo all by her damn self and it would have been obvious. I never felt Kim deserved to be outed since her sobriety has been questionable for at least a year now. What Kim deserves to be told is, how her demeanor in the limo was not acceptable. Any addict who acts inappropriately or in any bizarre fashion, should be told what they did. Even children are told when they act inappropriately. I would think any adult person who is supposedly clean and sober, has a moment that is out of line with how they normally act, would appreciate being told of their behavior.

 

Sorry, but Kyle was not outed. It was something she didn't hide or deny. Honestly, if she were trying to hide something, you think she would do it in Brandi's presence? Pot smoking...eh. No big deal. Who cares if Kyle or even Brandi smokes it?  It wasn't pot smoking that got Brandi a DUI or caused her to show her nasty ass with the tampon string.

Edited March 9, 2015 by GreatKazu

[SwordQueen]

We didn't need LisaR to out Kim. Kim did that ALL ON HER OWN. Kim could have been in that limo all by her damn self and it would have been obvious. I never felt Kim deserved to be outed since her sobriety has been questionable for at least a year now. What Kim deserves to be told is, how her demeanor in the limo was not acceptable. Any addict who acts inappropriately or in any bizarre fashion, should be told what they did. Even children are told when they act inappropriately. I would think any adult person who is supposedly clean and sober, has a moment that is out of line with how they normally act, would appreciate being told of their behavior.

 

Sorry, but Kyle was not outed. It was something she didn't hide or deny. Honestly, if she were trying to hide something, you think she would do it in Brandi's presence? Pot smoking...eh. No big deal. Who cares if Kyle or even Brandi smokes it?  It wasn't pot smoking that got Brandi a DUI or caused her to show her nasty ass with the tampon string.

 

Yes LOL @ Lisa 'outing' Kim in the limo.  Easiest 'outing' ever.  Hey look, the sky is blue.  Hey look, water is wet.  Hey look, Kim's naked wasted. 

 

I think 'outed' has become the new 'move on' as the most trite, overused phrase on the HW franchise.  Someone should tell Lisa V that she makes a lot of pussy jokes.  Oh, and please let Brandi know that her tampon string is hanging out -- I don't think anyone else noticed though.  Did anyone hear that Yolanda has Lyme's and she loves lemons, her Loves and life?  Subtle as a sledge hammer, these HW are.   

 

 

I was going to comment, before, that since Kim says her taking the pain pill was not a relapse but out of need because she was in 100% pain, then maybe we should take moment to look at it in that context.  Say Kim didn't have a substance abuse problem, wasn't known for histrionics, lying, exaggerating, abusing drugs and verbal/physical outbursts, and was, instead Dx'd with another issue like diabetes, arthritis, nerve pain, etc.  If she took someone else's medication, got into a car with someone and scared the shit out of them by acting psycho and insulting them, went to a dinner party and called everyone stupid, told them to shut up, yelled, was loud and obnoxious, told her sister that she'd taken something and it "disagreed with her" before picking a fight with her and then leaving in a huff, without thanking the host or apologizing for being an ass, what, then, would people think? 

 

Would it be "outing" Kim and getting in 'her business' in that context, to ask her if she was okay?  To ask her what she had taken?  To feel upset by her behavior and rudeness towards everyone?  To expect some kind of apology?  To follow up with her the following day or so to see how she was and if she needed anything?  To ask her if she had seen a doctor for her 100% pain, since she felt the need to self-mediate?  Would all of that, from the other HW, be out of line, still?  Should Kim apologize in that context for her behavior if it weren't addiction related?  Kim says it wasn't addiction related, so maybe we should hold her to that standard.  If anyone had behaved the way she did and chalked it up to a disagreement between them and a pill and refused to acknowledge and apologize for it, I think people would be rightly concerned and pissed.  It's not okay to treat other people like crap and then shrug it off because they weren't feeling well.  That's not generally acceptable outside a daycare center or a mental health ward. 

 

Why should Kim get a free pass because she's an addict, especially since she's not using her slip in sobriety as a reason for her behavior?  If Kim didn't take the pill as an addict but as a person in 100% pain (even thought that's 100% bullshit), what, then, did Lisa and Kyle "out", exactly?  Since she is an addict, people are going to be concerned about that first, probably.  If she says it wasn't addiction related, that's her line of BS to deal with, but other people don't have to play along and other people certainly aren't "outing" her by asking WTF is going on and wrong in feeling offended at her bizarre and rude behavior.  YMMV and IMO and all that fine print. ; )

[GreatKazu]

Great points SwordQueen.

 

Yes, remove the addict aspect of it and what is left? A person who took a pain pill that was not prescribed to them. They claim they are in 100 percent pain and they seem way out there. Surely, whoever was with Kim in that limo would ask her about her behavior and show some concern. Because she is an addict, no one should say a thing to her? God forbid something was really happening to Kim and she needed medical attention. She could have had a bad reaction to the pill, but no one can ask anything on camera because Kim's sobriety image must be maintained. When LisaV asked Kim if she was alright in Paris, it was looked upon as her painting Kim in a false light. Looking back, it seems LisaV may have been correct in her assessment that something was wrong with Kim. Of course, Kim had her excuse ready by the time her blog came out. Should Kyle have outed Kim for that time? She then would have been slammed for outing Kim and putting her dirty laundry out there. But, if Kyle remains silent and says nothing at all on camera or in her blog, she is not supporting her sister. Kyle would also be seen as a liar for covering up for her sister.

 

Why didn't Kim tell LisaR she was in pain if that in fact was the case? Why not say in response to LisaR, "No Lisa. I am not okay. I am in a lot of physical pain. I have had this bad cough and now I am feeling this immense pain. I took a pill to try and help alleviate the pain, but I don't think it is helping." That would have taken the conversation to a different place. LisaR might have advised Kim to go back home or advised her to call Kyle. LisaR could have advised production that Kim was in need of medical attention and they needed to stop filming. Assuming Kim was in fact dealing with those ailments that she later claimed, she put herself in danger by not seeking help because she was too fucked up to handle it properly.

 

Instead, there is Kim being an ass. Regardless if she is an addict or not, that behavior was not acceptable. Why it shouldn't be addressed to her as it happens, puzzles me.

 

It is late, I am tired. If my post doesn't make sense, sorry. :-)

Edited March 9, 2015 by GreatKazu

[SwordQueen]

Great points SwordQueen.

 

Yes, remove the addict aspect of it and what is left? A person who took a pain pill that was not prescribed to them. They claim they are in 100 percent pain and they seem way out there. Why then didn't Kim tell LisaR she was in pain if that in fact was the case? Why not say in response to LisaR, "No Lisa. I am not okay. I am in a lot of physical pain. I have had this bad cough and now I am feeling this immense pain. I took a pill to try and help alleviate the pain, but I don't think it is helping." That would have taken the conversation to a different place. LisaR might have advised Kim to go back home or advised her to call Kyle. LisaR could have advised production that Kim was in need of medical attention and they needed to stop filming.

 

Instead, there is Kim being an ass. Regardless if she is an addict or not, that behavior was not acceptable. Why it shouldn't be addressed to her, puzzles me.

 

She actually made herself more liable for her behavior this way, imo.  Addictions are a bitch -- they fuck with your brain, so it impairs your thinking, your perception and your actions.  That's understandable, but only if the addict takes responsibility for it.  I think most of us at one point of another have a medical issue which causes pain, chronic or temporary, like bronchitis, nerve pain, a broken bone, etc.  But I seriously doubt most people think that it's okay to act out and claim it's because they were in 100% pain and took medication that didn't belong to them.  Also, in what world would that be okay to tell your employer and coworkers this and expect no repercussions?  

 

Kim's behavior was unacceptable but her 100% pain excuse makes her look even worse because WTF kind of reason is that to be a shitty human being?  Even if that "pain pill" disagreed with her that night, surely the pill would have been out of her system the day after or so, so why no remorse, why no apologies, why no fucks given?  This is just Kim's personality, drunk, high or sober -- she takes and takes (people's time, energy, money, drugs, pity, attention) and the only thing she gives is no fucks.  Maybe if she owned that, I'd have a sliver of respect for her, at least for knowing who she is.  lol 

 

 

Your post made sense to me!  But hey, I'm tired too, and that doesn't stop me from posting. I give no fucks!! lol

Edited March 9, 2015 by SwordQueen

[BlackMamba]

She actually made herself more liable for her behavior this way, imo. Addictions are a bitch -- they fuck with your brain, so it impairs your thinking, your perception and your actions. That's understandable, but only if the addict takes responsibility for it. I think most of us at one point of another have a medical issue which causes pain, chronic or temporary, like bronchitis, nerve pain, a broken bone, etc. But I seriously doubt most people think that it's okay to act out and claim it's because they were in 100% pain and took medication that didn't belong to them. Also, in what world would that be okay to tell your employer and coworkers this and expect no repercussions?

Kim's behavior was unacceptable but her 100% pain excuse makes her look even worse because WTF kind of reason is that to be a shitty human being? Even if that "pain pill" disagreed with her that night, surely the pill would have been out of her system the day after or so, so why no remorse, why no apologies, why no fucks given? This is just Kim's personality, drunk, high or sober -- she takes and takes (people's time, energy, money, drugs, pity, attention) and the only thing she gives is no fucks. Maybe if she owned that, I'd have a sliver of respect for her, at least for knowing who she is. lol

Your post made sense to me! But hey, I'm tired too, and that doesn't stop me from posting. I give no fucks!! lol

Funny she was also in the hospital 8 days. Can anyone say detox! Thats why I dont believe her "one pill"/hernia story. Probably why she was in so much pain she was taking Monty's meds and patches and she finally had a bad reaction that almost was fatal. There is no telling how long before and during filming season 5 when she was taking his drugs and hers even for anxiety and panic disorders. There was an IG pic she shared even where Kyle and Eileen sent her flowers at her bedside. Kim knew she was playing with fire when it came to health thats why she checked herself into that hospital. Even when she went to mixer she was loopy and looked liked she was on something then IMO. Kim couldn't even remember when she talked to Kyle and spoke Brandi. And her blogs, ugh, talk about the lies and denial. Thats why Im over some giving her a slap on the wrist when it comes to her addiction. She's got an excuse for everything but no accountability. Edited March 9, 2015 by BlackMamba

[IKnowRight]

*Biggest ACTING moment (so far) this season goes to KYLE RICHARDS, clearly pretending to be "second-hand stoned" at the pot shop in Amsterdam.

Brandi's "truth cannon" offensive about prior smoking is only relevant for a viewer who believed Kyle was somehow impaired by her mere presence in the pot cafe. LOL. THEN, as a back up, Kyle added that she didn't want her kids watching. Kyle is a terrible actress. Maybe she should have led with that excuse instead of the terrible "second hand" stuff???

Anyone, anyone---who believed Kyle had second hand contact high? LOLOLOL.

Why wasn't anyone else complaining of second hand smoke (smoke we couldn't see?) Shouldn't Kyle have simply left the establishment that caused her contact high---one that legally sells pot, especially since we now have heard that SHE has smoked (with Brandi, of all people)?

I hate that Brandi outed her, but I think Kyle deserved being outed as much as folks here claim Kim DESERVED being outed by Lisa Rinna for the limo ride.

(Thankfully, I now know outing is COOL when your co worker is disingenuous!! Thanks Lisar and Eileen fans!!!)

Kyle does so much pearl clutching, especially for a willing participant in a reality show! Way before Brandi outed Kyle, I know I found Kyle disingenuous. Production must have agreed because they showed so much of her nonsense in Amsterdam.

(The asterisk means ACTING doesn't include Lisa Rinna ACTING enthusiastic and helpful, for her paycheck OR Eileen, who believes she is playing a soap star on RHoBH---ignore those somewhat professional, if way overacted, skills and Kyle wins--hands down)

Hi Tippytoes,

My take differs from yours on the pot shop because I didn't think Kyle was being serious in the pot shop. I thought all the women saw the trip as a fun way to check out a pot cafe, which is unusual for most people and to just let their hair down and be goofy. Kyle said all the same things I would have said, as I joke around a lot...I didn't see this as an act, it appeared to me she was just trying to have a fun evening...which we as viewers need as a break from Brandis drama filled and anxiety producing presence!

Brandi made me laugh, because the only time she expresses that the other ladies are embarrassing to her, is when it comes to violating the social mores of the drunk & restless, degenerate crowd. Brandi would make a scene at a ladies society luncheon and believe she's hilarious because they "society ladies" are hypocrites for wearing flowered dresses and using table manners. In her mind, the scene, be it her son urinating on the lawn or toilet paper stuck to her feet, that it's cruel if someone is embarrassed by her not employing standard etiquette...like Kyle likely would be...but if Kyle is teeheeing at a pot shop, that violates Brandis own made up code of ethics for appropriate behavior and THAT is the circumstance that would embarrass Brandi!!

So, maybe Kyle was just trying to have fun with no stress with these ladies, for once!

Whether Kyle has smoked pot or not is not relevant but yet Brandi wanted to be sure the viewers were made aware that Kyle was a smoker too...and that is apparently in dispute as well. Lisa VP admitted that she partook in similar activities but has the wherewithal to not believe that it is something to be loud & proud about in the same way as a job promotion, say, would make someone proud!

Disclaimer: I never smoked pot (apparently some people, for some reason, find that hard to believe about anyone) but I did my share of drinking back in the college days, and acting like an idiot at times, but we all have to grow up. I could care less, and make no judgments on anyone who does smoke pot, as I don't care what others do...as long as they are not driving a school bus or selling it to one of my kids!!

Brandi is just so twisted, that she doesn't see that she is the hypocrite of them all. She is the one who behaves in a way that makes it so difficult to stay friends with her. I think the ladies would love Brandi if Brandi was just herself, instead of an angry, bitter, tampon string hanging harpy.

So, speaking for myself, Kyle was just trying to have some fun after enduring yet another Kim explosion. If I were Kyle, I would move to the East Coast or another country if that was my family!

Edited March 9, 2015 by IKnowRight

[ryebread]

I was reading your post with glee. Because there was not one single mention of Kim to mar my fine Monday morning reading pleasure.  Until I got to your very last line.  I guffawed.  Almost!  Damn close. 

 

I loathed Brandi long before it became popular to do so but it's hard for me to cut Kyle any slack.  In my mind, she's just as awful as Brandi on the inside. Mean and spiteful and very damaged.  She just presents a classier picture on the outside. (Unless her legs are wide open on a bed or table as she gets a bikini wax for ratings.)  They've all got good points and bad points.  Some just have a greater deficit in the 'good' column. 

 

This season, Kyle is really cleaning up her act.  I don't think we will ever see her in such a compromising, spread eagle position again. In combination because she's seen the backlash (possibly her daughters have had some) and Moe is growing an empire.  I just keep wondering why she doesn't quit this shit storm show, leave Kim in the dust and just go about her days doing something worthwhile and spending all that lovely money.

[zoeysmom]

*Biggest ACTING moment (so far) this season goes to KYLE RICHARDS, clearly pretending to be "second-hand stoned" at the pot shop in Amsterdam.  

 

Brandi's "truth cannon" offensive about prior smoking  is only relevant for a viewer who believed Kyle was somehow impaired by her mere presence in the pot cafe.  LOL.  THEN, as a back up, Kyle added that she didn't want her kids watching.  Kyle is a terrible actress.  Maybe she should have led with that excuse instead of the terrible "second hand" stuff???

 

Anyone, anyone---who believed Kyle had second hand contact high?   LOLOLOL.

 

Why wasn't anyone else complaining of second hand smoke (smoke we couldn't see?)  Shouldn't Kyle have simply left the establishment that caused her contact high---one that legally sells pot, especially since we now have heard that SHE has smoked (with Brandi, of all people)?  

 

I hate that Brandi outed her, but I think Kyle deserved being outed as much as folks here claim Kim DESERVED being outed by Lisa Rinna for the limo ride.

 

(Thankfully, I now know outing is COOL when your co worker is disingenuous!!  Thanks Lisar and Eileen fans!!!)

 

Kyle does so much pearl clutching, especially for a willing participant in a reality show!  Way before Brandi outed Kyle, I know I found Kyle disingenuous.  Production must have agreed because they showed so much of her nonsense in Amsterdam.

 

(The asterisk means ACTING doesn't include Lisa Rinna ACTING enthusiastic and helpful, for her paycheck OR Eileen, who believes she is playing a soap star on RHoBH---ignore those somewhat professional, if way overacted, skills and Kyle wins--hands down)

Actually what Brandi said is the last time she smoked pot was in front of Kyle-not that Kyle smoked pot.  It was Brandi's oh so clever way of trying to implicate Kyle in something she did not want to be a party to-all season long it is things such as Kyle's alleged higher tolerance for alcohol than Brandi, Kyle being drunk at the Gay Mixer, when all the other folks said Kyle had been there but a few minutes and definitely not under the influence.  So if I were  Kyle I would be ticked because Brandi seems to throw a lot of misinformation out there.

 

For those of us who have never been in either a dispensary or to an Amsterdam coffee house,as apparently Yolanda even claims not to have been, collectively the ladies seemed to be acting silly. My guess is that behavior is repeated pretty regularly by the tourist trades that frequent the coffeehouses.  Kyle said her contact high was probably a psychological reaction.  She didn't say she minded the contact high.

 

The off response was Brandi outside screaming and angrily gesticulating on the otherwise streets of Amsterdam about the others being hypocrites over her anger and drinking behavior.  Kyle seemed to be the only one to take the bait in Amsterdam (and quickly shut it down) but it has been a season of Brandi going after Kyle originally subtly (oh gee my phone went dead when I was making a planned phone call to Lisa-let me use Kyle's so she thinks we are plotting against her again) to the out and out attacks poker night and beyond.

[motorcitymom65]

Hi Tippytoes,

My take differs from yours on the pot shop because I didn't think Kyle was being serious in the pot shop. I thought all the women saw the trip as a fun way to check out a pot cafe, which is unusual for most people and to just let their hair down and be goofy. Kyle said all the same things I would have said, as I joke around a lot...I didn't see this as an act, it appeared to me she was just trying to have a fun evening...which we as viewers need as a break from Brandis drama filled and anxiety producing presence!

Brandi made me laugh, because the only time she expresses that the other ladies are embarrassing to her, is when it comes to violating the social mores of the drunk & restless, degenerate crowd. Brandi would make a scene at a ladies society luncheon and believe she's hilarious because they "society ladies" are hypocrites for wearing flowered dresses and using table manners. In her mind, the scene, be it her son urinating on the lawn or toilet paper stuck to her feet, that it's cruel if someone is embarrassed by her not employing standard etiquette...like Kyle likely would be...but if Kyle is teeheeing at a pot shop, that violates Brandis own made up code of ethics for appropriate behavior and THAT is the circumstance that would embarrass Brandi!!

So, maybe Kyle was just trying to have fun with no stress with these ladies, for once!

Whether Kyle has smoked pot or not is not relevant but yet Brandi wanted to be sure the viewers were made aware that Kyle was a smoker too...and that is apparently in dispute as well. Lisa VP admitted that she partook in similar activities but has the wherewithal to not believe that it is something to be loud & proud about in the same way as a job promotion, say, would make someone proud!

Disclaimer: I never smoked pot (apparently some people, for some reason, find that hard to believe about anyone) but I did my share of drinking back in the college days, and acting like an idiot at times, but we all have to grow up. I could care less, and make no judgments on anyone who does smoke pot, as I don't care what others do...as long as they are not driving a school bus or selling it to one of my kids!!

Brandi is just so twisted, that she doesn't see that she is the hypocrite of them all. She is the one who behaves in a way that makes it so difficult to stay friends with her. I think the ladies would love Brandi if Brandi was just herself, instead of an angry, bitter, tampon string hanging harpy.

So, speaking for myself, Kyle was just trying to have some fun after enduring yet another Kim explosion. If I were Kyle, I would move to the East Coast or another country if that was my family!

Love your entire post, but especially the part in bold. So true. In her blog Brandi made a big deal out of the others thinking that her "finger banging" comment was inappropriate at Yo's dinner. She said she was having fun, so lighten up people!  If Brandi is trying to have fun the others are just supposed to go along with it and never say boo about it. 

 

I've never smoked pot either. Not one single time. It is funny how many people just cannot believe this. My MIL is 80 and is always telling me I must be lying because even she has done it. Have never had a speeding ticket either, because I am completely a nerd when it comes to the whole breaking of the law deal. No judgment on anyone else, however. The day it's legal in Michigan, I will be the first person in line. 

[ryebread]

ETA: Should we have a poll about how much time is devoted to rehashing the Amsterdam dinner over a three night reunion?

 

90%.  10% less than Kim's pain.

 

I think she’s bringing some class to a show that is kind of a reflection of who we are today. So in some sense it is art in that respect. 

 

Yeah, it's art if she's painting with caa-caa.  This type of acting - especially in Amsterdam - is not art.  Harry, seriously.  Stop.  Unless you're on a mission to justify it as such because you'll soon be joining the cast full time.

 

I want to enjoy you this last season of Mad Men. Dude, don't ruin the illusion.

Edited March 9, 2015 by ryebread

[zoeysmom]

I was reading your post with glee. Because there was not one single mention of Kim to mar my fine Monday morning reading pleasure.  Until I got to your very last line.  I guffawed.  Almost!  Damn close. 

 

I loathed Brandi long before it became popular to do so but it's hard for me to cut Kyle any slack.  In my mind, she's just as awful as Brandi on the inside. Mean and spiteful and very damaged.  She just presents a classier picture on the outside. (Unless her legs are wide open on a bed or table as she gets a bikini wax for ratings.)  They've all got good points and bad points.  Some just have a greater deficit in the 'good' column. 

 

This season, Kyle is really cleaning up her act.  I don't think we will ever see her in such a compromising, spread eagle position again. In combination because she's seen the backlash (possibly her daughters have had some) and Moe is growing an empire.  I just keep wondering why she doesn't quit this shit storm show, leave Kim in the dust and just go about her days doing something worthwhile and spending all that lovely money.

I think Brandi and Kim are trying very hard to make Kyle quit the show.  We hear Kyle talking about growing her business and taking care of four children and a husband.  If Kim and Brandi had it their way they would like to start taking away what Kyle has managed to accumulate.  This is the first season where I have heard Kyle during the season express doubts about returning.  Personally, I think there is very little chance she will quit but I think there is probably a higher chance that Kim will not be asked back.  I don't think Kim will be happy until she starts seeing Kyle have to give up some of what she has acquired.  I fully expect Kim to then call Kyle a weak loser for not being able to juggle everything.

 

Episodes such as this where Kyle becomes the villain because she doesn't do enough for Kim are taxing and Kim is doing nothing to even be close to acting like a co-star let alone sister to Kyle.  How incredibly uncomfortable Kim makes it for the rest of the ladies when she decides to ice Kyle out.  Lisar for me has two strikes against her this episode, first shattering the glass and now saying she doesn't want to hang with Eileen and Kyle and rehash the circumstances of the night before.  Pretty brazen considering she and Kim were at the center of the disaster.