S05.E13: Sister Act

[WireWrap]

I'm not sure about that. They film lots of things and then decide what they think viewers want to see.  And for some reason, they think we like the Brandi crap.  I've often felt with all the HW shows that lots of good stuff is left on the cutting room floor.  Bravo seems to have no idea what people really want out of a show like this.

 

I want to see pretty clothes and pretty houses.  I want to see fancy parties and fun vacations.  I want to see day-to-day interactions.  Yes, I want a bit of drama too, but I didn't want all of that dark Taylor/Russell stuff and I certainly don't want to watch Kim Richards go down a terrible path.  And most of all, I don't want to see Brandi anymore.  From Day One, she's been very uninteresting and extremely predictable.  None of the Brandi stuff is the slightest bit interesting to me.  I want to be entertained.  This show is supposed to be giving us a glimpse into Beverly Hills, not into bullshit that happens everywhere.  If I want to see a low-life skank screaming "STFU" at everyone, causing trouble, and feeling sorry for herself, I'll go to some trashy bar.

 

I really think that a whole different and much better show could be put together if some of us here had access to all of the footage that was shot and never used.  Oh, I would love to have that chance!

I agree. How many times have we seen the "unseen" footage shows and commented on how much we preferred seeing those lighter, funnier scenes than this type of dark, vile fighting? I don't understand why Bravo does not get it, these shows did not start out as "Jerry Springer" style soap operas but they have sure ended up that way and I for 1 am getting tired of it. Give me classy, wealthy women and their families showing us their over the top lifestyles with some minor squabbles but more laughs than tears/yelling/fighting. JMO

[talula]

Compassion before RHOBH Ratings:

 

Who the heck do these HW cast members think they are to even think about having an intervention for Kim.  They certainly are NOT family NOR are they her friends.  LisaR  should talk to Kyle about Kyle and her family holding a family intervention behind the scenes OFF CAMERA.  It's up those who love and support Kim to talk to their sister/mother about getting help. And for goodness sake a professional interventionist is a must.  The story arc desperate cast members have crossed the line by getting involved in Kim's serious health concerns in the first place. 

 

Kyle needs to be the one arranging a family intervention for Kim OFF CAMERA.  But no...Kyle has thrown her sick sister to the wolves for ratings.  Kyle is aware using her sister addiction in this very public way could possibly harm her.

 

Kyle has to be proactive for her sister's health and stop making this about Brandi...Brandi is not her family...she's got to take the emphasis off Brandi...let it go and save her seriously ill sister. I don't care for Kim at all but this has gotten out of control.

 

If Kim hates Kyle for the rest of her life so be it...at least she and her siblings would have made a sincere loving effort to save their sister from the grip of addiction and done so in a private supportive atmosphere.

 

Edited: I know Kim acted under the influence on the air at the poker party but that was no reason for Kyle to continue the public plot regarding her sister's addiction...two wrongs don't make a right.  If the family was holding an intervention on Kim's behalf, Ms. Brandi would have been locked out of the story-line.

 

Secondly, I am aware Kim and Kyle held an intervention on Taylor's behalf.  Both Kyle and Kim were friends with Taylor before doing so and most importantly Taylor had to agree to it being filmed or she just would have walked out. In Kim's blog she said she does not know the new cast members and they don't know her and we all are aware LisaV is not a friend of Kims. 

 

Excerpt--"With the aid of intervention counselors, family members can tell their loved one about their concerns and the difficulties of watching the struggle of addiction. Without argument or attack, the message is simple: “We love you and want you to get help. Intervention is the single most effective entrance into drug treatment. "  http://wwg.nationalinterventions.org/

 

Mayo Clinic--  A successful intervention must be planned carefully to work as intended. A poorly planned intervention can worsen the situation — your loved one may feel attacked and become isolated or more resistant to treatment.

www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/mental-illness/in-depth/intervention/art-20047451

 

This wisdom springs from a friend embellished by me! :)

Edited February 14, 2015 by RealityTVSmack1

[rho]

Regarding Max's desire to find out what his heritage and what generation American he is, none of this is out of the blue.  This was a storyline that was planned and filmed.  Cameras were not 'just there' when Max came to the house and asked about his heritage.  Cameras were not 'just there' when he inputted his birth surname into the computer.  This was planned by Lisa, Max and the producers.  It was all disingenuous. 

 

By that logic the whole show is disingenuous. This isn't 'The Real World' where the cameras are rolling practically 24/7. The whole thing is a staged production. What about when Lisa stops by Kyle's house and casually mentions the rumours tht Mauricio has been seen with a younger woman? How about Camille's hot tub circle jerk where she calls herself Jesus? Or Scheanna coincidentally working Sur's reopening which Brandi was invited to? The same could be said about the many interventions that Brandi spun her way out of in this episode. During the dinners, parties and getaways we are privy to the raw emotion that comes with being cooped up together but the rest of the show is manufactured drama to fill the other 28 minutes.

 

 I think Kim needs to revisit the episode, 2 season's ago, where she and Kyle staged their "intervention" with Taylor to confront her about her drinking. The one where Kim used the false storyline that Taylor did not know where Kennedy was because she was drunk off her butt, even though she knew that was a lie, an outright lie! A lie that she and sister Kyle, with help from production no doubt, used to blindside Taylor and caused Taylor to get death tweets! But Lisa R is being cruel because she is suggesting an intervention for Kim. Oh, and where was Brandi, was she crying foul about them doing that to Taylor, did she blog that they had no right to do that? Nope....crickets! LOL

 

I completely forgot about Taylor's intervention until recently and I was wondering why no one brought it up yet this season. Kim was so desperate for a sober buddy she invented Taylor's addiction.

 

But I have to disagree about Taylor's parenting skills. That particular situation can be chalked up to miscommunication but Taylor is clearly out of sync with her daughter. Maybe it was a bad edit, but that kid had some issues which I think would be attributed to neglect. The only time I saw her happy was when she was playing with Portia at Kyle's house.

[DebbieM4]

But Brandi only mentioned it without going into detail. I don't think mentioning it was that big a deal and Kim didn't seem to flinch either when Brandi brought it up. I don't think Brandi was trying to go there I think Brandi was just trying to prove to Kyle that yeah, Brandi is a significant friend and to prove it used the call as an example. The details of that call wasn't even relevant, at least not to me, UNTIL Kyle breathed life into by saying what she said. Either way Kyle was the one that gave life to the now infamous 2am call. A call at 2am could mean anything from having a good cry, unloading, venting etc. etc. I didn't take it to mean anything other than Kim having an emotional night, maybe crying or feeling down or whatever and up until Kyle said what she said and everyone erupted the way they did I thought Brandi's 2am call comment was pretty much a throw away detail.

 

IMO a good friend would not have brought up that call at all.  

 

If I had made an emotional phone call to a trusted friend at 2 am, 5 pm, or any time,  I would assume that she would keep it between the two of us.  I would not consider it a "throw away detail" if my friend decided to mention it to others.  Maybe my situation was nothing terrible - Maybe I was just having a bad moment.  But the odds are good I don't want the whole world to know that.

 

There was not one reason for Brandi to bring it up.  And she didn't just tell Kyle - She knew there were cameras there, so she was very well aware that she was saying it on national television.  And she knew she was fueling speculation.  No one is going to say, "Oh, Kim needed to speak to Brandi at 2 am.  And now let's talk about something else".  They're going to be curious about it and they're going to wonder about it, and - with Kim's history - they're going to be worried about it.

 

It's no one's business if one friend calls another one in distress at 2 am.  And there are certainly ways to say, "I've been a good friend to your sister" without revealing any details at all.  This was no slip of the tongue.  Brandi is vengeful and mean - We've seen it time and time again.  She wants to portray herself as the only one who understands Kim & the only one who is there for her.  So she decided to show how important she is in Kim's life by mentioning something that she never should have mentioned.  If you're protective of a friend, you don't provide information that opens the door to questions & speculation.  You keep that door shut tight.  If nothing is said, it stays between the two of you and no one ever knows.  That's how friends who really love each other handle those kinds of things.

 

I'm very glad that I have friends I can trust.  Something confidential stays confidential.  Not bits and pieces of it.  All of it.

Edited February 14, 2015 by DebbieM4

[CTO]

I want to see pretty clothes and pretty houses.  I want to see fancy parties and fun vacations.  I want to see day-to-day interactions.  Yes, I want a bit of drama too, but I didn't want all of that dark Taylor/Russell stuff and I certainly don't want to watch Kim Richards go down a terrible path.  And most of all, I don't want to see Brandi anymore.  From Day One, she's been very uninteresting and extremely predictable.  None of the Brandi stuff is the slightest bit interesting to me.  I want to be entertained.  This show is supposed to be giving us a glimpse into Beverly Hills, not into bullshit that happens everywhere.  If I want to see a low-life skank screaming "STFU" at everyone, causing trouble, and feeling sorry for herself, I'll go to some trashy bar.

 

THIS! Amen. Plus 1000.

[breezy424]

So you think the scenes with Kyle and her daughters were spontaneous, the college trips were spontaneous, or the scenes between Yolanda/Bella, Yolanda/Anwar, how about the scenes with Eileen/Vince/stepsons, Lisa R/parents, Lisa R/daughter going to concert? LOL They are all planned out, they are all "staged" to a certain extent. That does not mean the feelings are any less real or that these things would not have or didn't happen organically at some point or another. LOL

Yes.  I do.  The difference is that Kyle and Yo's reactions were to events that actually happened in the moment.  Lisa and Max's scenes were totally planned out.  I have no doubt that Lisa and Max knew well ahead of time what was to happen.  They were reenacting.  Do you actually think that Lisa didn't know ahead of time what Max  wanted?

 

And yes, Lisa R's scene with her daughter concerning the concert was staged.  Many scenes are staged.  LOL.  The difference is that Lisa V is playing out something that is very close to adoptive parents that is totally staged for the cameras.  It is less real and it is disingenuous. 

 

I also know that you and I will never agree on this.  But I still like you. 

[motorcitymom65]

Yes.  I do.  The difference is that Kyle and Yo's reactions were to events that actually happened in the moment.  Lisa and Max's scenes were totally planned out.  I have no doubt that Lisa and Max knew well ahead of time what was to happen.  They were reenacting.  Do you actually think that Lisa didn't know ahead of time what Max  wanted?

 

And yes, Lisa R's scene with her daughter concerning the concert was staged.  Many scenes are staged.  LOL.  The difference is that Lisa V is playing out something that is very close to adoptive parents that is totally staged for the cameras.  It is less real and it is disingenuous. 

 

I also know that you and I will never agree on this.  But I still like you. 

I think that this is where we have to cut them all some slack.  My belief is that when the season gets going each girl sits down with production to talk about what they've got going on in their lives. Any milestone birthdays, anniversaries, big vacations planned? Anyone going to college, graduating HW, going to the prom, etc. All of that kind of stuff gets fleshed out. Then I think the gals are pressured/encouraged to talk about what else is going on. I do think that there are more than likely spontaneous moments that happen off camera that get recreated by the girls for a storyline. My assumption is that Max showed an interest in learning more about his birth parents recently and Lisa suggested that they replay some of this for the cameras.  This was clearly being set up from the beginning when we saw and heard more about Max than we ever had before (the stuff with the older girlfriend, lack of car insurance, ambition, etc). Most folks speculated at that time we were clearly being prepared for a Max storyline, and this is the case. No, it wasn't an event that had an actual beginning, middle and end like someone going off to college or moving away to NY. But it could be something that is actually happening in their lives.

 

This is why Lisa is smarter than the other gals. Lisa is much more likable when she isn't a big part of the drama, because I don't think that being dramatic is part of her character. I actually like this Lisa this year. She reminds me of the Lisa from S1. She was actually more of an observer of the drama that first season. She played the role that Lisar and Eileen are playing now. Lisa V didn't give a rats ass about Kim, Taylor or Camille that first season. She was very close to Kyle and friendly with Adrienne. She had a fabulous life she was living and she didn't have time to create drama.  She stirred the pot just enough to be involved, but mostly threw out witty comments and observations about the others. Mostly she was the more level-headed provider of opinion and support for the much more emotional Kyle (with the Camille deal). She acted like she cared just enough, but then went home to her fabulous life. That is how I see her this year. She isn't plotting or causing drama, she is just dealing with her own life and letting the others in just enough. She is probably controlling the narrative just enough to keep it interesting with the Max story. It is a story that can't really go wrong if she already knows the outcome, which I am sure she did before they recreated it. 

[motorcitymom65]

Who knows?  Maybe she was on the phone with Brandi when it happened and all hell broke loose and he pinned screaming Kim to the floor away from the phone?  Let's hope someone spills, because the possibilities are endless.  My money is on Kyle to spill.

I hope that no one spills, especially if it had anything to do with any of the kids. 

 

Why would you think that Kyle would spill? One thing that seems like it is part of the DNA of these sisters is that they hold on to their private stuff as much as possible. Has Kyle ever divulged any of the private stuff that Kim has gone through and put the family through over the years? Outside of throwing out in the limo in S1 that Mauricio treated Kim like a second wife, has Kyle ever talked about exactly how badly Kim's situation has been over the years? And even with that comment, she never elaborated. Never explained what she meant by that. I remember when Andy asked Kyle what Kim went to rehab for, and Kyle wouldn't even answer that. She said that was Kim's story to tell, not hers. 

 

It just seems like between the two people who know why Kim was calling - Brandi and Kyle - one has a history of spilling secrets and one doesn't. Just interested in why the opinion would be that this would change now, aside from not caring for Kyle and really liking Brandi. 

[Lura]

Let's see now, BH Watchers --  All I asked for, three weeks ago, was something different,  and here's what I've gotten so far:

     Kim is angry with Kyle.

     Kyle is angry with Kim.

     Kyle is angry with Brandi.

     Brandi is angry with Kyle.

     Lisa V. is angry with Brandi.

     Brandi isn't so keen on Lisa.

     Yolanda is frustrated by Brandi.

     Brandi is frustrated by Yolanda.

     Lisa V. thinks she might like Kyle again.

     Kyle thinks she might like Lisa V. again.

     Lisa R. is sure there's an addict in their midst.

     The rest suspect she's right -- but which one?

     Lisa V. is unhappy with a chubby Pandora.

     Pandora is unhappy with Lisa V.

 

     Everyone seems to like Eileen.

     Eileen doesn't say much.

 

So, for the 4th week, I'll ask:

     Couldn't we have something different?

    

    

    

 

    

[ghoulina]

I'm not sure about that. They film lots of things and then decide what they think viewers want to see.  And for some reason, they think we like the Brandi crap.  I've often felt with all the HW shows that lots of good stuff is left on the cutting room floor.

 

 

I agree with you, and I think this point is evidenced when they air those Unseen Footage episodes. There's always some completely random, drama-free, hilarious moments. And the boards seem to echo with, "More of that, please!" 

[Satchels of gold]

Kim is very clever to assign a 3rd party to the 2 am phone call. This assures no one will ask her or speak about it as it involves the confidentiality of someone not on the show. And who knows maybe she did some drunk dialing talking about a third party but the issue is the 2 am phone call that clearly left Brandi thinking Kim was in some jeopardy . And yes Kim probably wasn't calling about her drinking or doing drugs but I bet Kyle and Brandi were.

[msblossom]

If Kim is telling the truth, that it involved a 3rd party, and Kyle KNEW who it was and what it was? 

 

That's the Vyle Kyle we've known for 5 seasons, especially if it was her son.

It may have something to do with Ken 2.0 and his daughter who dated Kim's son. At one point all 4 lived under the same roof together at Ken's house. After rehab, Kim admitted that she remains friends with Ken and his daughter.

If this has anything to do with Ken 2.0 -- I can imagine Kyle not wanting to go there with Kim. But if it also involves a family member of Kims -- I can see where this thing gets messy and deeply concerning.

But with Kim, who knows if she's just putting out a lie on her blog to throw attention off herself. She's good at that.

[zoeysmom]

Compassion before RHOBH Ratings:

 

Who the heck do these HW cast members think they are to even think about having an intervention for Kim.  They certainly are NOT family NOR are they her friends.  LisaR  should talk to Kyle about Kyle and her family holding a family intervention behind the scenes OFF CAMERA.  It's up those who love and support Kim to talk to their sister/mother about getting help. And for goodness sake a professional interventionist is a must.  The story arc desperate cast members have crossed the line by getting involved in Kim's serious health concerns in the first place. 

 

Kyle needs to be the one arranging a family intervention for Kim OFF CAMERA.  But no...Kyle has thrown her sick sister to the wolves for ratings.  Kyle is aware using her sister addiction in this very public way could possibly harm her.

 

Kyle has to be proactive for her sister's health and stop making this about Brandi...Brandi is not her family...she's got to take the emphasis off Brandi...let it go and save her seriously ill sister. I don't care for Kim at all but this has gotten out of control.

 

If Kim hates Kyle for the rest of her life so be it...at least she and her siblings would have made a sincere loving effort to save their sister from the grip of addiction and done so in a private supportive atmosphere.

 

Edited: I know Kim acted under the influence on the air at the poker party but that was no reason for Kyle to continue the public plot regarding her sister's addiction...two wrongs don't make a right.  If the family was holding an intervention on Kim's behalf, Ms. Brandi would have been locked out of the story-line.

 

Secondly, I am aware Kim and Kyle held an intervention on Tyler's behalf.  Both Kyle and Kim were friends with Tyler for years before doing so and most importantly Tyler had to agree to it being filmed or she just would have walked out. In Kim's blog she said she does not know the new cast members and they don't know her and we all are aware LisaV is not a friend of Kims.

 

Excerpt--"With the aid of intervention counselors, family members can tell their loved one about their concerns and the difficulties of watching the struggle of addiction. Without argument or attack, the message is simple: “We love you and want you to get help. Intervention is the single most effective entrance into drug treatment. "  http://wwg.nationalinterventions.org/

 

Mayo Clinic--  A successful intervention must be planned carefully to work as intended. A poorly planned intervention can worsen the situation — your loved one may feel attacked and become isolated or more resistant to treatment.

www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/mental-illness/in-depth/intervention/art-20047451

 

This wisdom springs from a friend embellished by me! :)

The word intervention may be a bit strong.  Kyle and Kim did not have an intervention with Taylor- I assume that is who Tyler is (darned auto correct).  Kim someone who was about six months post recovery decided to reach out to Taylor.  Kyle had little to do with Kim's desire to spread the word.  Again it is the sober majority having to kowtow to the addict.  And it is okay to say someone-last night you hit it a bit hard and um you made an ass out of yourself. 

 

Lisar has every right to confront Kim regarding her behavior on or off camera.  The behavior occurred on camera so maybe the resolve or follow up should be on camera.  Just because it involves substance abuse doesn't give Kim a pass.  If Kim were just a nasty ass they would not need rules to engage in confronting her.  Workplace interventions take place everyday and there is not a huge concern whether or not the offender's needs are met. 

 

I just feel as if Kyle and Kathy's role in the interventions of the last 20 years has been passed down to Kim's children.  The sisters should be taking a back seat and let her children assume responsibility. Kim is already so incredibly angry at sober Kyle there is no fixing it.  Kim fully intended on appearing on this show in whatever state and living her life by her rules.  Had Kyle not outed Kim's alcoholism there would have been no public admission of rehab it would have been a medication error or some other pile of manure to ensure Kim never had to be painted with an addict label.  Kim would drink on camera if she felt like and Kyle would continue to stew over it. 

 

As far as Kim knowing or not knowing Lisar and Eileen --too bad.  Maybe she would have gotten a chance to know them if she detached herself from Brandi and did not treat them so horribly.  It is a little like telling a judge-hey you have no right to tell me I have a drinking problem-you don't know me, when you are being sentenced for a DUI.  Kim not remembering how she treated the others is no excuse.  Kim not being able to watch her behavior on screen and apologize is beneath contempt.

 

Can you imagine if Kyle would have broken down to Kim when she walked in with Brandi and said-"Kim you have no right to put me in a situation with her-I suffer from anxiety and you just exacerbated  it!!!!"  Kyle's anxiety is just as real as Kim's addiction.

 

I just don't see the public plot regarding Kim's addiction.  When faced with Kim at the luncheon not one thing was mentioned by Kyle about Kim's addiction.  Even Kim is now saying the 2 am phone calls have nothing to do with her drinking or addiction.  Kyle has been guilty of towing the family line and helping Kim to keep her lapses private-until they can't.  I liken Kim's public relapsing to a cheating spouse.  The spouse gets caught publicly admits to doing wrong and swears their undying love for the other and promises to not stray.  Next thing you know the cheating spouse is seen leaving a hotel with the person they committed adultery with-it is a public display and every and anyone is entitled to their opinion.  (I am thinking Mario and Ramona here).

 

Not to sound uncaring and unfeeling but this season's eighth housewife is Kim's addiction, courtesy of Brandi Glanville.  Could we please have Addiction put the diamond down?  Thank you. 

[Satchels of gold]

Mission accomplished we are all now speculating about the third party ( including me) instead of the fact that Kim is up at 2 am drunk dialing with Brandi saying God knows what. Let's all remember this is the same Kim who said Monty gave her this pill and that she is sober. She isn't exactly an accurate historian. The good news is Brandi will turn on her any day now and spill the beans.

[haydensterling]

It seems to me that people have pretty well disproven why the mystery person in Kim's blog is likely not any of her kids.  Also, one thing I have seen repeatedly is a lot of love between Kyle and her nieces and nephews, and the nieces in general, who act more like sisters than cousins.  If the children weren't speaking to Kyle after the limo incident, I feel pretty certain that this was Kim's doing.  "Aunt Kyle was mean to me, and it would hurt me so much if you were to speak to her right now."  I don't buy that Kyle would be an ass about one of her sister's children, because I have a feeling that she has been responsible for said sister's children more than a few times when Kim is too fucked up to be a mother.

 

It's odd, the places this show takes you, because I was one of those people who adored Brandi, thought it was terrible the way people treated her, and loathed the Richards sisters.  Now I think all three of them are disgusting, and the idea that a person would nominate any of them for sainthood is really out there, but I feel for Kyle because she has clearly been in a world of shit with Kim from the get.  I don't like Kyle.  I still think she sucks.  But I will defend her because in this situation, she can't please anyone.  Not Kim, and clearly not the viewers, who seem to think she would like her sister to hurry it up, fuck off and die so that she can get back to...what?  I'm not sure, really.  

 

Their mother fucked these kids up good, and Little Kathy acts a lot like Big Kathy from what I can see.  They all do, in their way.

 

In fact, if I had known that Kim was such a goddamned mess prior to limogate?  I wouldn't have held that particular flareup against Kyle either.  The pressures of filming made sure that little secret would have come out sooner or later.  I have a lot of reasons to think that both Kim and Kyle suck when it comes to being decent people; Game Night is still one of the best examples I can hold up as to how ugly these women truly are inside.  They are shrill, hypocritical, nasty beasts, and they work very well in tandem at bullying the crap out of people.  I think that Kyle saw Game Night and, like Camille's epiphany, (god, do I miss Camille!  more house porn! and looking back she couldn't hold a candle to how awful these bitches are) realized this might not be such a great way to act towards people, especially when your husband is trying to be the biggest realtor in the freaking United States or whatever the hell Mo's range is, and tried to clean up a bit.  Not much--she still acted like a shady bitch to Lisa V.--but a little.  She cries now instead of pointing, yelling, and namecalling.

I understand the reason Kim behaves the way she does too, but she's made even more unredeeming by the way she uses her addiction as a shield to protect herself from ever having to apologize to people or come clean that she's been a lousy person and a lousy parent.  She sucks really, really bad. Where I used to see a kooky weirdo, I now see a manipulative woman who probably doles out affection very precisely and for maximum effect, even with her own kids.  Not only is she a junkie, she acts like a narcissist too.  She's just nasty as fuck. 

 

Then we come to Tampon Sally (which name also cracked me up, I pictured Brandi coming out of a saloon in the Wild West, tampons in her ammo belt and in her bandolier, six shooters at the ready to fire TRUTH!) who is a gross enabler and groomer, a predatory, botox-ed up, prematurely bitter old hag who cannot stand other people's happiness because she has none herself.  That's on her.  Brandi truly is useless.  The only thing she knows how to do with any skill is hurt other people, and in that regard is similar to the Richards.  Maybe this is why Kim likes her so much.  Who knows?  I don't.

 

I do want to see more of the Lisas, of Eileen, and even of Yo if it will keep us from having to debate this same topic over and over and over again.  I know I've said a variant of the above only about twenty or so times in the past few weeks, it's honestly exhausting and I'll be glad when this season is over.  

 

I hope Andy catches a clue that Brandi in particular is in the hot seat where viewers are concerned--not in a way that's positive for the show--and chucks her ass out the door.  He didn't seem too comfortable with her when she interviewed him, and she seemed to be in restrained attack mode, too.  So the best I can hope for is that he's tired of her, and that he ditches her.  

 

I'd take Joyce and her house porn, and her husband any day over Brandi.  Hell, I wish Camille would come back.

Edited February 14, 2015 by haydensterling

[BluishGreen]

I think that this is where we have to cut them all some slack.  My belief is that when the season gets going each girl sits down with production to talk about what they've got going on in their lives. Any milestone birthdays, anniversaries, big vacations planned? Anyone going to college, graduating HW, going to the prom, etc. All of that kind of stuff gets fleshed out. Then I think the gals are pressured/encouraged to talk about what else is going on. I do think that there are more than likely spontaneous moments that happen off camera that get recreated by the girls for a storyline. My assumption is that Max showed an interest in learning more about his birth parents recently and Lisa suggested that they replay some of this for the cameras.  This was clearly being set up from the beginning when we saw and heard more about Max than we ever had before (the stuff with the older girlfriend, lack of car insurance, ambition, etc). Most folks speculated at that time we were clearly being prepared for a Max storyline, and this is the case. No, it wasn't an event that had an actual beginning, middle and end like someone going off to college or moving away to NY. But it could be something that is actually happening in their lives.

 

This is why Lisa is smarter than the other gals. Lisa is much more likable when she isn't a big part of the drama, because I don't think that being dramatic is part of her character. I actually like this Lisa this year. She reminds me of the Lisa from S1. She was actually more of an observer of the drama that first season. She played the role that Lisar and Eileen are playing now. Lisa V didn't give a rats ass about Kim, Taylor or Camille that first season. She was very close to Kyle and friendly with Adrienne. She had a fabulous life she was living and she didn't have time to create drama.  She stirred the pot just enough to be involved, but mostly threw out witty comments and observations about the others. Mostly she was the more level-headed provider of opinion and support for the much more emotional Kyle (with the Camille deal). She acted like she cared just enough, but then went home to her fabulous life. That is how I see her this year. She isn't plotting or causing drama, she is just dealing with her own life and letting the others in just enough. She is probably controlling the narrative just enough to keep it interesting with the Max story. It is a story that can't really go wrong if she already knows the outcome, which I am sure she did before they recreated it. 

 

Again, I think it isn't the same.  Max was never searching for his birth parents, which is what we were supposed to gather from Lisa's  initial exposition of the story line.  Like many other people are doing these days, Max bought one of those tests that you spit in a cup or swab the inside of your mouth, send it to Ancestry DNA or one of those other companies and you get information regarding your genetic/ethnic background. That was the beginning, middle and end of it. This minor occurrence was then exaggerated, scripted,  packaged up and delivered as "Max's Journey". It looks as though it is conceded here that it did not happen in anything close to real time like, for example, a wedding day, a graduation party or leaving a child at college. 

 

Having a camera in the kitchen while Lisa R and her children are eating and Harry comes in with a snake he found in the garden and everyone freaks out is not the same to me as the scenes with Lisa and Max, which must have gone like this:  "Now, you said this, and then I'll say that, and I'll bravely hold back my tears, and then you look worried, and then I'll do a TH about how I fear you might leave us if you find your birth mother, even though I KNOW that was NOT what was happening..."  I get the feeling the camera was there at Lisa R's home to film some interactions with her kids; clearly, Harry chose that moment to bring in the snake, but I doubt there was a snake waiting in a tank for him to bring in while the cameras were being set up.  With Lisa V, a very specific story was created for the cameras. Max wasn't looking for his birth parents. He wanted to get some facts about himself and he didn't need Lisa V. to do it.    Some may think it clever for Lisa V to make up this storyline for herself, but if it was anyone other than Lisa V who manufactured drama that way, I suspect the reaction would be VERY different. And if she is so very smart, how come it is so very easy to see through it?

 

Finally, Pandora, and her tears at the wine store.  Was that made up as well? Was the entire family in on it, and Pandora was faking all of her tears for the camera?  Or did Lisa really drop this fake story on Pandora "out of the blue" and needlessly upset her, just to move her storyline forward?  Frankly, I don't know which is worse.

Edited February 14, 2015 by BluishGreen

[talula]

The word intervention may be a bit strong.  Kyle and Kim did not have an intervention with Taylor- I assume that is who Tyler is (darned auto correct).  Kim someone who was about six months post recovery decided to reach out to Taylor.  Kyle had little to do with Kim's desire to spread the word.  Again it is the sober majority having to kowtow to the addict.  And it is okay to say someone-last night you hit it a bit hard and um you made an ass out of yourself. 

 

Lisar has every right to confront Kim regarding her behavior on or off camera.  The behavior occurred on camera so maybe the resolve or follow up should be on camera.  Just because it involves substance abuse doesn't give Kim a pass.  If Kim were just a nasty ass they would not need rules to engage in confronting her.  Workplace interventions take place everyday and there is not a huge concern whether or not the offender's needs are met. 

 

I just feel as if Kyle and Kathy's role in the interventions of the last 20 years has been passed down to Kim's children.  The sisters should be taking a back seat and let her children assume responsibility. Kim is already so incredibly angry at sober Kyle there is no fixing it.  Kim fully intended on appearing on this show in whatever state and living her life by her rules.  Had Kyle not outed Kim's alcoholism there would have been no public admission of rehab it would have been a medication error or some other pile of manure to ensure Kim never had to be painted with an addict label.  Kim would drink on camera if she felt like and Kyle would continue to stew over it. 

 

As far as Kim knowing or not knowing Lisar and Eileen --too bad.  Maybe she would have gotten a chance to know them if she detached herself from Brandi and did not treat them so horribly.  It is a little like telling a judge-hey you have no right to tell me I have a drinking problem-you don't know me, when you are being sentenced for a DUI.  Kim not remembering how she treated the others is no excuse.  Kim not being able to watch her behavior on screen and apologize is beneath contempt.

 

Can you imagine if Kyle would have broken down to Kim when she walked in with Brandi and said-"Kim you have no right to put me in a situation with her-I suffer from anxiety and you just exacerbated  it!!!!"  Kyle's anxiety is just as real as Kim's addiction.

 

I just don't see the public plot regarding Kim's addiction.  When faced with Kim at the luncheon not one thing was mentioned by Kyle about Kim's addiction.  Even Kim is now saying the 2 am phone calls have nothing to do with her drinking or addiction.  Kyle has been guilty of towing the family line and helping Kim to keep her lapses private-until they can't.  I liken Kim's public relapsing to a cheating spouse.  The spouse gets caught publicly admits to doing wrong and swears their undying love for the other and promises to not stray.  Next thing you know the cheating spouse is seen leaving a hotel with the person they committed adultery with-it is a public display and every and anyone is entitled to their opinion.  (I am thinking Mario and Ramona here).

 

Not to sound uncaring and unfeeling but this season's eighth housewife is Kim's addiction, courtesy of Brandi Glanville.  Could we please have Addiction put the diamond down?  Thank you.

Maybe we'll get to see the HW cast intervention with Kim and see how that goes...I gather in real time Kim and Kyle aren't talking.  It should be interesting to see how LisaR's intervention with Kim works out.  Lol, wonder if Andy Cohen will award LisaR a certificate for Addiction Counseling on WWHL if she succeeds with Kim?

The sister's are fame addicts...what sane person would wish to drag family alcohol and drug addiction concerns before the public. Maybe they feel their participating in a public service announcement and LisaR believes she's doing a Depends commercial. She admits to doing anything for money...RHOBH is the perfect platform for her.

Edited February 14, 2015 by RealityTVSmack1

[talula]

I thought at the end of the scene between LisaV and Max that Lisa asked Max if he wanted to find his biological mother and he said no because she gave him up and he had money.

[quinn]

Lisa has been making up/crafting/re-enacting stories since season one. There was a vignette when Max paid Lisa a surprise visit for her birthday, except that Lisa's birthday is in September and season one was filmed in the Spring and Summer. Lisa cried when Jason and Pandora announced their engagement. The engagement announcement was a re-enactment, filming for season two started in Winter/Spring and he mentioned proposing during fashion week when it was unseasonably warm which described the weather for the Fashion Week that took place in September, the one that took place in the winter that would have coincided with filming was very snowy.

For me I see Lisa as an employee /contractor who is good at her job which is making good reality TV but I don't see her as an authentic person. To me I see the inauthenticity, but assuming that Ken, Pandora, Pandora's husband, Max and Giggy are all onboard, then more power to her and them.

I have more of a problem with Lisa seeing it as her job to stir the pot and step away as it relates to her castmates, and she has been doing that since the inaugural season as well. I am not opposed to her being a snarker towards her castmates in and of itself, but it is clear to me that Lisa has been obsessed with her image since day one and yet she has used her snark to define others in a negative way.

Someone upthread mentioned / alluded to her restraint this season being due to the curtain falling away a la The Wizard of Oz exposing the fabulous British broad as a thin-skinned woman with a victim complex - I think that person is on to something.

[birdmom]

Sorry to go off topic but can someone tell me why posts I've already read on say page 2, for example, will l later show up several pages later, on pages I haven't read yet, page 5 for example? They aren't being quoted either. On topic: I've gone from liking and defending Brandi to absolutely despising her. I now see why Eddie left her!

[zoeysmom]

Just a note-Kim's kids were photographed in Aspen with Kyle after the big outing of Kim.  Kathy and Paris' comments were simply that Kyle should not have exposed family.  Kim was angry and has stayed angry since it happened.  So for anyone suggesting that someone intervene with Kim they will be forever despised by Kim.  I find it laughable that Kathy Hilton should keep up the pretense of protecting family.  This is the mother who has had more arraignments among her children than high school graduations and most charges involve substance abuse.

 

Kim has gone months and months without speaking with Kyle (all the while drinking) and all Kyle has been able to come with is her concern and outbursts have been mistaken for anger instead of concern.  It is this strange situation where the reactions of the non offender are given far more weight than by the actual offender.

[zoeysmom]

Maybe we'll get to see the HW cast intervention with Kim and see how that goes...I gather in real time Kim and Kyle aren't talking.  It should be interesting to see how LisaR's intervention with Kim works out.  Lol, wonder if Andy Cohen will award LisaR a certificate for Addiction Counseling on WWHL if she succeeds with Kim?

The sister's are fame addicts...what sane person would wish to drag family alcohol and drug addiction concerns before the public. Maybe they feel their participating in a public service announcement and LisaR believes she's doing a Depends commercial. She admits to doing anything for money...RHOBH is the perfect platform for her.

I don't think Kim or Kyle wished to drag their family alcohol or drug addiction concerns in public.  I think Kim was an addict and it could no longer be contained.

 

There is a judge I know socially, who fairly early on told me her brother suffered from drug/alcohol issues.  I asked after getting to know her why she was so open about it.  She told me she would sentence people to community service or alcohol drug education classes and lo  and behold those she sentenced would run into her brother who was all too happy to tell them about how she had it so much easier in life and how she and her husband (an attorney) were raging alcoholics and he ran a drug ring on the side.  So in spite of her brother's disease she and her family flourished.  She claimed in the beginning her parents would not allow she or her other brother to ever address drunk/druggie brother's problem.  She said over the years the pendulum had swung and her mom and dad publicly supported his sobriety.  She said the ultimate test was her daughter was playing in the state playoffs and her brother was suppose to get a 90 day sober chip and some sort of completion certificate. Obviously the judge chose watching her daughter's game and her mother did not speak to her for six months for opting to go to her daughter's game instead of his event.  Didn't she know his sobriety was a matter of life and death? 

[BluishGreen]

Lisa has been making up/crafting/re-enacting stories since season one. There was a vignette when Max paid Lisa a surprise visit for her birthday, except that Lisa's birthday is in September and season one was filmed in the Spring and Summer. Lisa cried when Jason and Pandora announced their engagement. The engagement announcement was a re-enactment, filming for season two started in Winter/Spring and he mentioned proposing during fashion week when it was unseasonably warm which described the weather for the Fashion Week that took place in September, the one that took place in the winter that would have coincided with filming was very snowy.

For me I see Lisa as an employee /contractor who is good at her job which is making good reality TV but I don't see her as an authentic person. To me I see the inauthenticity, but assuming that Ken, Pandora, Pandora's husband, Max and Giggy are all onboard, then more power to her and them.

I have more of a problem with Lisa seeing it as her job to stir the pot and step away as it relates to her castmates, and she has been doing that since the inaugural season as well. I am not opposed to her being a snarker towards her castmates in and of itself, but it is clear to me that Lisa has been obsessed with her image since day one and yet she has used her snark to define others in a negative way.

Someone upthread mentioned / alluded to her restraint this season being due to the curtain falling away a la The Wizard of Oz exposing the fabulous British broad as a thin-skinned woman with a victim complex - I think that person is on to something.

 

I agree about the inauthenticity and I continue to have an  'Emperor's New Clothes" reaction to Lisa V.  I guess I just can't like her for being better at being fake than the rest of them-- 'cause I think Lisa V. is not thinking of RHOBH as a role she plays on TV-- I think she absolutely wants the audience to love and adore and swoon over the inauthentic person she presents.   I also think the "Max's Journey" storyline was exactly that-- a contrived plot to shine up her image.  It is the calculation of the whole thing...  

[jaync]

You are assuming the producers remember Kim, she was a child star many years ago. More people remember Kyle, LHOtP, than Kim in the age demographic Bravo is aiming for on these shows.

I don't think that can be said as a blank statement, as I was way more familiar with Kim (remembering her from movies and tv as a kid), and the same goes for others I know who watch the show.

 

It just seems like we are really reaching here to find reasons to make her an unlikable person.

That can be said about any of the HWs at one time or another, though. Like, there are some who think LisaV is a racist slave driver because Rocio had some damn booties over her shoes. Anyway, people are going to like/dislike who they do for whatever reasons.

 

Is this boyfriend cheating, is this one gay, Sheana's bridezilla meltdowns, Kristen doing her best impression of Glen Close in Fatal Attraction and Stassi stopping in, dressed like Barbara Bush, to tsk, tsk at all of her former co-workers because she now has a decent apartment and an imaginary boyfriend that doesn't work at SUR. It is a fabulous, fun, stupid show. 

Right?  Forget about invisible magazines in a suitcase nonsense - a SUR bitch will have a trick fly across the country to confront a cheatin' ass.

[Almost 3000]

Regarding Max's desire to find out what his heritage and what generation American he is, none of this is out of the blue.  This was a storyline that was planned and filmed.  Cameras were not 'just there' when Max came to the house and asked about his heritage.  Cameras were not 'just there' when he inputted his birth surname into the computer.  This was planned by Lisa, Max and the producers.  It was all disingenuous. 

I actually don't mind a set-up if the information is really fairly current and delight when something real pops up that the cast didn't expect. What I don't like are set-ups that fall completely flat like the Brandi&Kim stalking BF (boyfriend?) while on the other hand it was a hoot seeing LisaVP and Kyle climbing over a wall to break in on Kim&BF.

[zoeysmom]

Maybe we'll get to see the HW cast intervention with Kim and see how that goes...I gather in real time Kim and Kyle aren't talking.  It should be interesting to see how LisaR's intervention with Kim works out.  Lol, wonder if Andy Cohen will award LisaR a certificate for Addiction Counseling on WWHL if she succeeds with Kim?

The sister's are fame addicts...what sane person would wish to drag family alcohol and drug addiction concerns before the public. Maybe they feel their participating in a public service announcement and LisaR believes she's doing a Depends commercial. She admits to doing anything for money...RHOBH is the perfect platform for her.

They were talking until Halloween and then the dog bite and radio silence.  So something must have happened between this past episode and the season finale because all was good until Halloweenish.

[LotusFlower]

Sorry to go off topic but can someone tell me why posts I've already read on say page 2, for example, will l later show up several pages later, on pages I haven't read yet, page 5 for example? They aren't being quoted either. On topic: I've gone from liking and defending Brandi to absolutely despising her. I now see why Eddie left her!

I don't know the answer, just a guess - maybe you read the posts in the First Look thread, and they got moved over here? I'm not sure what the mods do with First Look posts after the episode (featuring the preview) airs, maybe they're deleted, or maybe they're moved to the respective ep. thread. ??

[talula]

Sorry to go off topic but can someone tell me why posts I've already read on say page 2, for example, will l later show up several pages later, on pages I haven't read yet, page 5 for example? They aren't being quoted either. On topic: I've gone from liking and defending Brandi to absolutely despising her. I now see why Eddie left her!

I had problems, but they seem to have worked themselves out.

Edited February 14, 2015 by RealityTVSmack1

[talula]

They were talking until Halloween and then the dog bite and radio silence.  So something must have happened between this past episode and the season finale because all was good until Halloweenish.

Thanks for the good news...happy to hear that the sisters were talking after the show was finished filming. Hopefully we can assume all went well during LisaR's intervention for Kim. Maybe it was decided that Kim has been sober for three years and slipped the night of the poker party only on drugs she's prescribed to take. Glad to be rid of the sobriety/Kim issue. Now we just have to watch the last vestiges of sobrietygate for the next few episodes though it might rear it's ugly head during the reunion. If the sisters don't get along after the dog issue that's a shame.

Edited February 14, 2015 by RealityTVSmack1

[talula]

Kim thinks Lisa Rinna should stay out of it and stop acting like an addict expert. I have to agree, LisaRs reason for butting in is she has two BILs that died from alcoholism but that isn't enough to label others. Making up her mind that an intervention is needed after talking to Brandi is like the blind leading the blind.

Excerpt from Kim's Bravo blog for this episode...

“To add fuel to the fire, Lisa R. was going on and on about how she knows all about addicts and how she knows when she meets one, but she is not an expert or a professional, so she shouldn’t be going around judging and stereotyping. I don’t appreciate Lisa R. talking about me in a derogatory way behind my back and about my supposed problems to everyone around us when she doesn’t even really know me or anything about my journey to sobriety. I know what happened on poker night looked bad—even I was shocked when I saw it! However, I have always been open about my sobriety, how I WAS in a bad place, and how I have been and am sober for the past three years. Instead of wanting to curl up into a ball and hide in the midst of all this drama, I feel confident and strong in myself. These rumors and the fighting actually made me realize how much stronger I am today.”

http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills/season-5/blogs/kim-richards/kim-brandi-and-kyles-feud-has

[WireWrap]

Kim thinks Lisa Rinna should stay out of it and stop acting like an addict expert. I have to agree, LisaRs reason for butting in is she has two BILs that died from alcoholism but that isn't enough to label others. Making up her mind that an intervention is needed after talking to Brandi is like the blind leading the blind.

Excerpt from Kim's Bravo blog for this episode...

“To add fuel to the fire, Lisa R. was going on and on about how she knows all about addicts and how she knows when she meets one, but she is not an expert or a professional, so she shouldn’t be going around judging and stereotyping. I don’t appreciate Lisa R. talking about me in a derogatory way behind my back and about my supposed problems to everyone around us when she doesn’t even really know me or anything about my journey to sobriety. I know what happened on poker night looked bad—even I was shocked when I saw it! However, I have always been open about my sobriety, how I WAS in a bad place, and how I have been and am sober for the past three years. Instead of wanting to curl up into a ball and hide in the midst of all this drama, I feel confident and strong in myself. These rumors and the fighting actually made me realize how much stronger I am today.”

http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills/season-5/blogs/kim-richards/kim-brandi-and-kyles-feud-has

She referenced her BIL deaths more to Brandi's drinking than to Kim's behavior, at least in the beginning. IMO, Lisa has the right to question Kim's sobriety because of Kim's limo behavior. She came right out and asked her if she took a pill or was drinking because Kim was off her rocker. I do not care if Kim hires sky writers proclaiming her supposed sobriety, she was not sober by her own admission to Kyle and in her blog, she took 1 of Monty's pain pills, pills prescribed to a man dying of cancer that had spread throughout his body, and that means she was using.  Her glazed eyes, slurred speech and blank expression added to the fact she could not think clearly enough to remember the day before also showed, IMO, that she was high at the mixer as well. Lisa only started talking about Kim needing an "intervention" after Brandi threw Kim under the bus when they had lunch after the podcast. Kim wants to shoot the messenger, Lisa R, but forgives the toxin, Brandi, that is using her and her addictions as a storyline!

[talula]

She referenced her BIL deaths more to Brandi's drinking than to Kim's behavior, at least in the beginning. IMO, Lisa has the right to question Kim's sobriety because of Kim's limo behavior. She came right out and asked her if she took a pill or was drinking because Kim was off her rocker. I do not care if Kim hires sky writers proclaiming her supposed sobriety, she was not sober by her own admission to Kyle and in her blog, she took 1 of Monty's pain pills, pills prescribed to a man dying of cancer that had spread throughout his body, and that means she was using.  Her glazed eyes, slurred speech and blank expression added to the fact she could not think clearly enough to remember the day before also showed, IMO, that she was high at the mixer as well. Lisa only started talking about Kim needing an "intervention" after Brandi threw Kim under the bus when they had lunch after the podcast. Kim wants to shoot the messenger, Lisa R, but forgives the toxin, Brandi, that is using her and her addictions as a storyline!

LisaR was there to talk about Brandi being a mean girl/possible alcoholic and she should have stuck to that...Brandi as the source of info on Brandi made sense. Brandi as the source of information about Kim was a fatal flaw. LisaR asking a question about Kim on poker night is one thing but leaping to a intervention is quite another.

We are not going to agree on this issue...Kim's blog speaks for itself and I agree with her on this issue. Lisa Rinna should stay out of it and stop acting like an addict expert.

If LisaR was so interested in Kim's sobriety than why not talk directly to Kim. Lisa wanted to milk the Kim issue for a few more scenes, lol that's why not.

Edited February 14, 2015 by RealityTVSmack1

[Umbelina]

All of the scenes at home, or only with their families are rehearsed or completely set up, not just Lisa's.  The only time something spontaneous happens is when there is a group of "wives" together, and they aren't all friends who planned it out in advance.  At least one outcast must be present for that to happen really.

Edited February 14, 2015 by Umbelina

[zoeysmom]

Kim thinks Lisa Rinna should stay out of it and stop acting like an addict expert. I have to agree, LisaRs reason for butting in is she has two BILs that died from alcoholism but that isn't enough to label others. Making up her mind that an intervention is needed after talking to Brandi is like the blind leading the blind.

Excerpt from Kim's Bravo blog for this episode...

“To add fuel to the fire, Lisa R. was going on and on about how she knows all about addicts and how she knows when she meets one, but she is not an expert or a professional, so she shouldn’t be going around judging and stereotyping. I don’t appreciate Lisa R. talking about me in a derogatory way behind my back and about my supposed problems to everyone around us when she doesn’t even really know me or anything about my journey to sobriety. I know what happened on poker night looked bad—even I was shocked when I saw it! However, I have always been open about my sobriety, how I WAS in a bad place, and how I have been and am sober for the past three years. Instead of wanting to curl up into a ball and hide in the midst of all this drama, I feel confident and strong in myself. These rumors and the fighting actually made me realize how much stronger I am today.”

http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills/season-5/blogs/kim-richards/kim-brandi-and-kyles-feud-has

Actually Kim has publicly and repeatedly stated she is am alcoholic, so unless Lisar is hard of hearing there would be no need for her to get a degree to essentially agree with Kim's claim she is an addict.  Strike one for Kim.

 

Kim has made her journey to sobriety public fodder, Lisar experienced a relapse up close and personal, Kim sobriety journey was certainly derailed that Friday night at Eileen's.  Kim might want to here a little saying from AA, "one day at a time," it wasn't just a successful sitcom she failed to get cast in, it is a way of life for many 12 step people.  The thinking is I am sober today. . . you can't say I will be sober next Thursday.  Strike two for Kim.

 

Kim takes zero responsibility for her behavior on Poker night.  "I know poker night looked bad-I was even shocked when I saw it,"  the proper answer statement is I behaved poorly and I was not sober.

 

No one gives a fig about Kim's three years of sobriety.  Every time there is a relapse, the clock starts over.

 

Instead of curling up in a ball Kim now stays in the middle of the mess and then claims amnesia or she didn't hear it.  Time for Kim to take a stroll over the new Betty Ford Outpatient Clinic and sharpen her sobriety tools. 

 

I do think Lisar is not using the term intervention correctly.  There is a world of difference between a med-legal intervention in a controlled setting and a group of friends and acquaintances expressing their concern or umbrage at someone's impaired behavior.  In this particular case Kim's behavior affected a group of people.  Her continual antics have done the same.

 

As far as rumors-um Kim admitted she took a drug and the drug was responsible for her behavior, the fighting initially was over the fact Kim was using and could not comport herself properly and the second confrontation was the bad idea to bring a sworn enemy of your sister's to her event uninvited.  So if that is what strength to Kim today I feel for her.

[zoeysmom]

LisaR was there to talk about Brandi being a mean girl/possible alcoholic and she should have stuck to that...Brandi as the source of info on Brandi made sense. Brandi as the source of information about Kim was a fatal flaw. LisaR asking a question about Kim on poker night is one thing but leaping to a intervention is quite another.

We are not going to agree on this issue...Kim's blog speaks for itself and I agree with her on this issue. Lisa Rinna should stay out of it and stop acting like an addict expert.

If LisaR was so interested in Kim's sobriety than why not talk directly to Kim. Lisa wanted to milk the Kim issue for a few more scenes, lol that's why not.

Since the world of addiction is staffed with many, many non-degreed people, who in spite of their lack of formal education do a fine job, I think Kim is being unrealistic in thinking one has to have letters of higher learning to diagnose an addict.  Especially a self-proclaimed addict.  I look at it this way on RHOA Claudia went to the podiatrist to have her feet looked at-Kenya went on and on about how and what needed to come off her feet.  Kenya may not be a podiatrist but seeing Claudia's feet gave rise to an opinion that jived with the podiatrist.

 

I don't think Lisar was trying to milk it for more camera time and I do think she will take it to the source.  The question is will Brandi clue her in on it before it happens?  The plot thickens. . . . . . .stayed tuned to see if Lisar can pull off the role of a lifetime "interventioner extraordinaire".

[thewhiteowl]

I missed the part where LisaR claimed to be an expert.  I know I am not one but I have been around addicts enough to spot one, usually. Kim is not subtle. .

[Lisin]

Sorry to go off topic but can someone tell me why posts I've already read on say page 2, for example, will l later show up several pages later, on pages I haven't read yet, page 5 for example? They aren't being quoted either. 

 

 

I don't know the answer, just a guess - maybe you read the posts in the First Look thread, and they got moved over here? I'm not sure what the mods do with First Look posts after the episode (featuring the preview) airs, maybe they're deleted, or maybe they're moved to the respective ep. thread. ??

 

That's the answer. I move the First Look thread over to the appropriate episode thread on Fridays so the First Look thread is free for the new one and the posts end up in the correct episode topic. 

[zoeysmom]

I missed the part where LisaR claimed to be an expert.  I know I am not one but I have been around addicts enough to spot one, usually. Kim is not subtle. .

I am not an expert but when a person goes on national TV and says, "I am an  alcoholic," I would call it a given that Lisar, is in the clear calling Kim an addict.  I don't know this for certain, because I don't have a degree in theology but I am comfortable stating the Pope is Catholic.

[Trooper York]

I don't know about that one. Have you listened to what he has been saying lately?

 

He sounds a lot more like a Episcopalian. Just sayn'

[DebbieM4]

LisaR was there to talk about Brandi being a mean girl/possible alcoholic and she should have stuck to that...Brandi as the source of info on Brandi made sense. Brandi as the source of information about Kim was a fatal flaw. LisaR asking a question about Kim on poker night is one thing but leaping to a intervention is quite another.

We are not going to agree on this issue...Kim's blog speaks for itself and I agree with her on this issue. Lisa Rinna should stay out of it and stop acting like an addict expert.

If LisaR was so interested in Kim's sobriety than why not talk directly to Kim. Lisa wanted to milk the Kim issue for a few more scenes, lol that's why not.

 

LisaR and Kyle have been friends for a very long time, so she certainly knows Kim's history and likely knows about more recent events than the viewing audience does.  I'm sure she's been privy to lots more than we'll ever know.  She also saw first-hand how Kim was acting in the car on the way to the poker party.  And really - Anyone just watching this show can see that Kim has a problem that needs to be addressed.

 

Kim's blog means nothing to me.  Addicts are very, very good liars, and we've seen evidence of how good Kim is at stretching the truth, bending the truth, and outright lying.  Of course an addict in denial is going to be outraged by suggestions that she's in a bad place and by attempts to help her!

 

As to Lisa speaking directly to Kim, I think we've seen what happens when that's been tried. 

 

I don't think Lisa wants to milk this for a few more episodes.  I think she's truly concerned (and probably sick of it too).  It was Brandi who diverted the subject.  She's the one who (deliberately) got Lisa totally off track.  If someone basically says that a friend is in trouble, the caring response is, "What can we do to help her?".  And that's pretty much what Lisa said.

 

I also think she would love to have HER life, HER career, and HER family be featured.  That's what they all want when they sign up.  None of them want to be supporting players, and Bravo constantly showcasing Brandi & Kim makes the rest of them exactly that.  I'm sure Lisa thinks her own life is pretty interesting, and she would far prefer to see her house, her marriage, and her daughters be a more significant part of this show rather than more of Kim.  It makes no sense to me that she would put her energy into milking the Kim issue rather than working hard to get more screen time for her own life.  

[talula]

I missed the part where LisaR claimed to be an expert.  I know I am not one but I have been around addicts enough to spot one, usually. Kim is not subtle. .

After talking about Kim with Brandi over lunch, LisaR decided that Kim fell off the wagon and needed an intervention. Brandi told LisaR that she should talk to Kyle about it and have the intervention handled by professionals not cast members.

It is Kim in her Bravo blog that states LisaR is not an addiction expert. LisaR never claimed any such expertise.

[talula]

LisaR and Kyle have been friends for a very long time, so she certainly knows Kim's history and likely knows about more recent events than the viewing audience does.  I'm sure she's been privy to lots more than we'll ever know.  She also saw first-hand how Kim was acting in the car on the way to the poker party.  And really - Anyone just watching this show can see that Kim has a problem that needs to be addressed.

 

Kim's blog means nothing to me.  Addicts are very, very good liars, and we've seen evidence of how good Kim is at stretching the truth, bending the truth, and outright lying.  Of course an addict in denial is going to be outraged by suggestions that she's in a bad place and by attempts to help her!

 

As to Lisa speaking directly to Kim, I think we've seen what happens when that's been tried. 

 

I don't think Lisa wants to milk this for a few more episodes.  I think she's truly concerned (and probably sick of it too).  It was Brandi who diverted the subject.  She's the one who (deliberately) got Lisa totally off track.  If someone basically says that a friend is in trouble, the caring response is, "What can we do to help her?".  And that's pretty much what Lisa said.

 

I also think she would love to have HER life, HER career, and HER family be featured.  That's what they all want when they sign up.  None of them want to be supporting players, and Bravo constantly showcasing Brandi & Kim makes the rest of them exactly that.  I'm sure Lisa thinks her own life is pretty interesting, and she would far prefer to see her house, her marriage, and her daughters be a more significant part of this show rather than more of Kim.  It makes no sense to me that she would put her energy into milking the Kim issue rather than working hard to get more screen time for her own life.

So LisaR is a good friend of Kyles and knows all about Kim and her sobriety. Now that she's featured as a cast member, I can't say I blame Kim for turning to Brandi and no longer trusting Kyle. In the event Kim is off the wagon she might be leery of LisaR and might not have talked to her. No wonder Kim was so upset that LisaR called Kyle to inform her about Kim's behavior in the limo.

Edited February 15, 2015 by RealityTVSmack1

[Umbelina]

That's why I think Kyle is using Lipsa as her mouthpiece.  She was burned when she shouted out Kim's problems, and physically attacked her, so she's got her good friend Lipsa to do it for her this time.

[haydensterling]

That First Look.  Ay-yi-yi.

[WireWrap]

After talking about Kim with Brandi over lunch, LisaR decided that Kim fell off the wagon and needed an intervention. Brandi told LisaR that she should talk to Kyle about it and have the intervention handled by professionals not cast members.

It is Kim in her Bravo blog that states LisaR is not an addiction expert. LisaR never claimed any such expertise.

Brandi stated, as a fact, to Lisa R that Kim fell off the wagon! It was Brandi that stated that on camera first, Lisa R took Brandi at her word. JS

[talula]

That's why I think Kyle is using Lipsa as her mouthpiece.  She was burned when she shouted out Kim's problems, and physically attacked her, so she's got her good friend Lipsa to do it for her this time.

Absolutely right...Kyle is using LisaR as a flunky mouthpiece so she doesn't get the whole family upset with her again. She learned her lesson well the last time. The only problem is that if we can see it so can they. If in fact an intervention is needed it should be done by those that love Kim in private, not a bunch of shoot from the hip publicity craving cast members, just saying. :)

Oh by the way, the last entity I'd want to have in control of editing my loved one's addiction intervention is blood thirsty for ratings NBCBravo and Andy Cohen, just saying again.

Edited February 15, 2015 by RealityTVSmack1

[Watermelon]

None of us really know LisaR, but I don't get the feeling that she's saying these things for Kyle. I think she's saying these things cuz she was stuck in a car for an hour or more with Kim acting crazy and nobody seeming to explain.  

[talula]

None of us really know LisaR, but I don't get the feeling that she's saying these things for Kyle. I think she's saying these things cuz she was stuck in a car for an hour or more with Kim acting crazy and nobody seeming to explain.

No, none of us know LisaR, though Kyle knows her very well as I have been informed about on this board, thank you very much. It must have been terrible for LisaR...even Kim was surprised by what came out of her mouth. LisaR has barely been able to talk about anything else besides addiction especially on the hour long limo ride back home with Kyle the day of the poker game. Then there's the mixer and lunch with Brandi...more addiction gossip and innuendo.

[DebbieM4]

So LisaR is a good friend of Kyles and knows all about Kim and her sobriety. Now that she's featured as a cast member, I can't say I blame Kim for turning to Brandi and no longer trusting Kyle. In the event Kyle is off the wagon she might be leery of LisaR and might not have talked to her. No wonder Kim was so upset that LisaR called Kyle to inform her about Kim's behavior in the limo.

I didn't say that LisaR knows "all about Kim".  I said that she likely knows a lot more than we do since she & Kyle have been friends for a long time.  She knows Kim too.  Not as well as she knows Kyle, but I'm sure Kim is aware that LisaR has seen her in circumstances in which she was very much not sober.   They most certainly have been attending many of the same parties & events for many years.  I'm sure lots of people in BH have seen Kim stumbling, slurring, and all the rest.  No, LisaR is not an expert on addiction, but she's seen enough to know that Kim is in huge trouble.  If we - the viewing public - are well aware of that, then of course people who she actually interacts with are aware as well.   And, all of that aside, she was in the limo with Kim.  And we all saw how that went down.

 

Kim is really, truly out of her mind if she thinks she can trust Brandi more than she can trust Kyle.  Brandi - who has humiliated Kim several times since joining the show, most pointedly at a reunion talking about her "shit-stained pillow".  Brandi - who has had friendships with one person after another until things turn ugly and they are suddenly Public Enemy #1.  Brandi - who has gleefully spilled secrets about other people on the show.  Brandi - who is showing classic abusive behavior by keeping Kim all to herself as much as possible and by telling her, "Kyle wants you to fail", "No one cares about you like I do".   No one cares about her!  Not her children!  Not Monty!  Not Kathy!  Not any of her nieces or nephews!  None of her friends!   She has no one!  Just Brandi.  That's an enormously cruel - and yes, abusive - thing to do to someone, anyone, but even more so to someone with Kim's problems and history.

 

We saw with our own eyes Kim talking about how Kyle has been a good sister, has been there for her, and "nothing can come between us".  We also saw Kim trying to express that to Brandi, and Brandi talking her out of it.  That bitch Brandi has alienated pretty much everyone on this show, and there's a reason for that.  She cares about no one except herself and she has proven that time and time again.  She is taking advantage of Kim's fragile and precarious state by convincing her that Brandi is all she has.  It's sick and demented, and feeds Brandi's ego while playing with Kim's life.

 

And this idiot Brandi is the same one who says that Kim is sober until she says she's not.  Please, dear Lord, if I am ever in a similar situation to Kim's, please do not send me a friend like Brandi.

[talula]

Brandi stated, as a fact, to Lisa R that Kim fell off the wagon! It was Brandi that stated that on camera first, Lisa R took Brandi at her word. JS

I have it On Demand and I'll check it. I never heard anyone say Kim was "off the wagon," lol.