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maryle

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No, I think it is about Emma actually.

Killian have a ligne similar about how she is tougher than that in episode 3.

People think it after a song where and could fit CS really well.

And, there a reality world to the title that fit for Emma as character and the fact she most be tougher to survive the Saviors fate.

So, I don't want my hope up but it seems that CS and Emma will have a on going storyline after the break.

I will take it.

And if I am not interesting in Robin.

I do appreciate it seems to focus on having a better closure for the OQ fans.

A. and E. are maybe not that bad, after all.

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When everyone realized Rumple and Regina weren't coming back, they had a big celebration and put on a cloaking spell so they can never be found or contacted ever again.

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At least someone is freaking out over Emma's darkness. Keep giving a shit, Hook! You're pretty much the only one who does...

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HER GRANDMA IS EMMA! Are they being serious with this?

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Are we discussing Sean Maguire's comments about his return here?

http://screenertv.com/television/once-upon-a-time-sean-maguire-robins-return-outlaw-queen/
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/10/21/once-upon-time-sean-maguire-robin-hood-return

“They pitched me this idea and it sounded really interesting,” Maguire continues. “It’s an opportunity to give some closure to this character, because I saw on social media that people felt that it was an abrupt end and it left a lot of questions unanswered. I don’t really know what the full completion of this arc is, I just know the premise and I thought it sounded interesting enough to give the audience that little bit of closure, and myself as well, because [I thought] it was rather quick and abrupt, too.”

It's wasn't any less abrupt than the death of a character like Neal, which was a one-and-done as well.

Maguire will appear in multiple episodes this season, but Robin Hood will not be coming back to life after sacrificing himself to save Regina (Lana Parrilla). Still, Maguire ultimately hopes the show will “give the audience a happy ending,” he says. “It was lovely, absolutely lovely [to play him], and I’m so grateful to the writers and everyone on the show for helping make that character a popular character, because I feel very blessed to have played him.”

I guess he's making nice now...  I don't see how an actual Outlaw Queen fan could feel satisfied, no matter how it's done.

Though maybe the actor's sour grapes actually DID force A&E to write something character driven for Robin, for the first time ever.  I'm not holding my breath.

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I just can't help thinking that A&E are just doing damage control on this.  There was a *reason* why they made the dialogue crystal clear that Robin was dead, and it wasn't so they could come up with this "interesting" idea to bring him back.

Interesting that he's implying that a flashback return is unsatisfying.  Too bad so sad, Sheriff Graham.

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I'd bet they don't wish for a reset. I'm sure Robin's closure will be the result of both Robin and Regina getting a long tearful goodbye and making a painful sacrifice to let go and then Robin will walk into the light. Meanwhile, Roland will stay in the Enchanted Forest, Robin will forget he had an adorable son and may or may not remember he has a daughter. Could they at least have him make a video for Roland and Pistachio? Something along the lines of My Life (the Michael Keaton movie) is what I'd like to see. Just something that makes Robin's return also about the other people who lost him that are not named Regina.

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Rumsy4

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Somehow, the Twitter complaints of a few (of persistent) OQ fans can't be the reason for Robin's return to the Show. The writers killed off Robin because they got bored writing for him past season 3 basically. As to why bring him back--basically to wrap up Regina's story with Robin. They must have thought it out over the hiatus.

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KingOfHearts

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32 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

Sean is painting Robin as some complex fan favorite character who got a short shrift in the Show. Sorry, but...welcome to the club, buddy! I doubt Robin was half so popular as Neal, or that he got a worse deal than Will or Graham. The only reason the writers are bringing Robin back is for the sake of Regina. 

I really don't care about Robin's death. I'm mildly satisfied that it happened because he was dead weight. The abruptness did not matter to me and I thought the premiere gave excessive closure already. (Many will disagree. That's just my personal feelings.)

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I just can't help thinking that A&E are just doing damage control on this.  There was a *reason* why they made the dialogue crystal clear that Robin was dead, and it wasn't so they could come up with this "interesting" idea to bring him back.

This. S6 has been nothing but damage control. Aladdin. Jekyll/Hyde dying. Robin coming back. CS moving in together. 

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Somehow, the Twitter complaints of a few (of persistent) OQ fans can't be the reason for Robin's return to the Show. The writers killed off Robin because they got bored writing for him past season 3 basically. As to why bring him back--basically to wrap up Regina's story with Robin. They must have thought it out over the hiatus.

Rumsy, when are you and I going to get closure for Hyde Queen?! :'(

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Was Stealthy in the Underworld? Maybe that's why he was able to be brought back to life. But Robin can't be brought back to life because he's officially in the afterlife...or obliterated...or whatever the writers decide at the last second.

So Regina sees Stealthy back and thinks she can do the same with Robin. But because you can't bring someone back from dead dead, when Regina wishes Robin alive again, we get the Page 23 alternate universe scenario by default because that's the only other way to bring Robin back to life. Regina thinks she's bringing Robin back to Storybrooke, but instead, everyone is whisked over to the Enchanted Forest and my crack theory is turning out to be not-so-crack. It fulfills all the hints we've gotten so far: Robin is back for multiple episodes, Sean agreed to sign on only if the writing was worth it, Sheriff Nottingham will be back, Robin will not have any flashbacks (because he'll be living in the A-Plot), and it's "unexpected and surprising." Add in the fact that this episode is called "Wish You Were Here" (they better not use the actual song in the show because I don't want them to ruin one of my favorite Pink Floyd songs), we have Jafar as a genie walking around, and they're burning through these Land of Untold stories faster than you can say ABC Meddling, and it's not so farfetched.

So if Stealthy being alive is Wish #1, Robin being alive is Wish #2, what is Wish #3? Will they keep that in their back pocket for the Season 6 finale when someone wishes they were back in Storybrooke to their normal lives? That would release Jafar from being a genie, right?

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7 hours ago, Souris said:

Based on this set spoiler, I think the dwarves wished Stealthy back alive.

If a genie grants three wishes, thangs oughtwould be one. Robin being  brought back would be two. Things being reset would be three.

If they go the wish route...maybe Killian makes a wish to save Emma and although it works there are side effects like ending up back in the EF back in time when Robin is still alive...? 

YaddaYadda

YaddaYadda

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5 hours ago, Curio said:

Was Stealthy in the Underworld?

Stealthy was in the Underworld, but Henry also gave him the tools to move on when he wrote him the reasons he was still stuck there.

Maybe them wishing people back to life brings back other people. Like Robin being wished back to life brings back the Sheriff of Nottingham since his ass is also coming back. Robin isn't in flashbacks, he's not alive either. I'm already having 5A flashbacks with the whole find Nimue, don't pull the sword from the stone...

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Rumsy4

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Remember when the Sheriff of Nottingham was used to show how feminist Regina was? Because being  a powerful independent woman is feminist, despite all the mass murders she commits and sex slaves she keeps.

I have a feeling a similar message will be made by contrasting Robin and the Sheriff.

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Mathius

Mathius

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Stealthy is wished back alive?  But genie wishes can't bring people back from the dead!

Except there was that one guy who was able to break those magic laws and then got turned into a genie.......oh, SHIT.

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This. S6 has been nothing but damage control. Aladdin. Jekyll/Hyde dying. Robin coming back. CS moving in together. 

Yeah, I could definitely see the Aladdin stuff always being planned as part of the Untold Stories since it fit (plus we saw Arabian people there in the S5 finale), but it being made into a major recurring arc and THE focal point of marketing (seriously, was there any S6 marketing focused specifically on the Evil Queen or on other Untold Stories characters? It's been all about Aladdin, Jasmine and Jafar since Comic Con) reeks of executive meddling......in a good way, mind you, since the Aladdin stuff already seems much better than what they had going on before, and is a better potential viewer draw.

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Remember when the Sheriff of Nottingham was used to show how feminist Regina was? Because being a powerful independent woman is feminist, despite all the mass murders she commits and sex slaves she keeps.

In the same tone-deaf episode in which she murdered an innocent man on his wedding day, no less.

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1 hour ago, Mathius said:

Stealthy is wished back alive?  But genie wishes can't bring people back from the dead!

Except there was that one guy who was able to break those magic laws and then got turned into a genie.... .

That was Jafar on Once Upon a Time in Wonderland who originally broke the Laws of Magic in order to make his father love him before he murdered him in revenge for his father's attempt to murder Jafar when the latter was only ten years old.  The Laws of Magic were automatically re-set to default after Jafar was turned into a genie, meaning that the one dead person he brought back to life (Anastasia) immediately died again as soon as the laws were re-set.  Since then, only Zelena has been able to break the Laws of Magic by enacting the time-travel spell that sent her, Emma, and Hook back to the time that Snow and David first met.

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3 hours ago, Mathius said:

Yes, but if he were to be released, I can't help but wonder if he could still have that power...he just can't use it on his own anymore, someone has to wish for him to use it.

No.  I think this entire story arc is supposed to take place before the events of OUATIW, in order to preserve as much of the latter's continuity as possible, so at most, he's a powerful wizard, not a genie here.  And changing the Laws of Magic as he did in Wonderland requires far more power than even Jafar alone possesses -- it actually took the combined powers of two wizards and three genies to activate the very complicated spell that Jafar had to cast in order to do it.

Rumsy4

Rumsy4

The events of OUATiW have already happened at this time in the mother-show. It wouldn't make sense for the writers to tie their hands by saying OUATiW is yet to happen. This way, they have more freedom to do what they want with Jafar. The last we knew of him, he was trapped as a genie in lamp/jar. Unless he managed to free himself afterwards, he's still a genie. 

I wouldn't take the canon of OUATiW as set in stone as far changing the laws of magic. They could just say that Jafar is suddenly powerful for some reason and that he can change the laws of magic by himself becasue he acquired some powerful artifact in the LoUS. 

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22 hours ago, KAOS Agent said:

I'd bet they don't wish for a reset. I'm sure Robin's closure will be the result of both Robin and Regina getting a long tearful goodbye and making a painful sacrifice to let go and then Robin will walk into the light. Meanwhile, Roland will stay in the Enchanted Forest, Robin will forget he had an adorable son and may or may not remember he has a daughter. Could they at least have him make a video for Roland and Pistachio? Something along the lines of My Life (the Michael Keaton movie) is what I'd like to see. Just something that makes Robin's return also about the other people who lost him that are not named Regina.

Considering they have an entire arc with 2 of her, it obviously will.  He's forgotten about Roland a long time ago and that's before he died.

 

22 hours ago, KingOfHearts said:

I really don't care about Robin's death. I'm mildly satisfied that it happened because he was dead weight. The abruptness did not matter to me and I thought the premiere gave excessive closure already. (Many will disagree. That's just my personal feelings.)

This. S6 has been nothing but damage control. Aladdin. Jekyll/Hyde dying. Robin coming back. CS moving in together. 

Rumsy, when are you and I going to get closure for Hyde Queen?! :'(

No you're right and if anything, this show continues to make a complete joke about the concept of death as a rule of magic.

The show has been spinning its wheels for several seasons, even the damage control results in constantly hitting the reset button each arc.  It feels like they just threw anything they could find together.

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23 hours ago, mjgchick said:

lol If only they gave poor Graham closure.

 

23 hours ago, Rumsy4 said:

Sean is painting Robin as some complex fan favorite character who got a short shrift in the Show. Sorry, but...welcome to the club, buddy! I doubt Robin was half so popular as Neal, or that he got a worse deal than Will or Graham. The only reason the writers are bringing Robin back is for the sake of Regina. 

 

23 hours ago, Camera One said:

I just can't help thinking that A&E are just doing damage control on this.  There was a *reason* why they made the dialogue crystal clear that Robin was dead, and it wasn't so they could come up with this "interesting" idea to bring him back.

Interesting that he's implying that a flashback return is unsatisfying.  Too bad so sad, Sheriff Graham.

It is, basically giving Regina her happy endgame.  It really makes the whole trip to the underworld even more pointless as is the whole concept of death, same with this hooded character 'killing' Emma.

daxx

daxx

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Katrina posted some bts from Friday and it sure looks like Lily filming with them in the graveyard.

What do you all think? The woman in the olive green coat. Her back is to us in every picture unfortunately. She is holding a script so not a crew member.

http://daxx04.tumblr.com/post/152204835294/katmtan-photos-from-filming-october-21st-2016

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Shanna Marie

Shanna Marie

That must be rehearsal, unless Hook finally gets a real wardrobe rather than a costume and gives up on looking like a pirate (and even then, he's carrying the script in his back pocket). The person with the script could be the stand-in to provide sightlines for a scene between Regina and the Evil Queen.

orza

orza

It could be a production assistant. The actors are just standing around during a rehearsal. The director is also holding some paper in the last picture.

From her Twitter account it appears that Agnes Bruckner is currently in Los Angeles and was getting a tattoo yesterday rather than traveling. She posts pretty much daily about what she's doing and it doesn't look like she was anywhere near Vancouver.

mjgchick

mjgchick

2 hours ago, Mathius said:

Snow, you sent Archie to talk to Emma, and Emma has been talking to him.  If you wanted her to talk to you, you should have gone to her yourself.

This and 6x01 were written by A&E themselves.  Are they this blind to how shitty a mother to Emma they've made Snow?

Yes they are that blind.

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The build, clothes and hair are very reminiscent of Lily to me. But I wouldn't say, "OMG, that's totally Lily!"

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From her Twitter account it appears that Agnes Bruckner is currently in Los Angeles and was getting a tattoo yesterday rather than traveling. She posts pretty much daily about what she's doing and it doesn't look like she was anywhere near Vancouver.

If that's the case, I think we're safe. ;)

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Here's Sean's latest interview on TV Line.
http://tvline.com/2016/10/23/sean-maguire-timeless-once-upon-a-time/

TVLINE | What can you say about the how and the why of Robin Hood’s return?


I can say why from my point of  view: For one, I was very nicely asked. And two, as we discussed the last time you and I spoke, I feel that a lot of people weren’t loving how that abrupt end came about. I said to you that I was disappointed, too, that the fans did not get an end to the character that they wanted or maybe deserved, so hopefully the idea is to come back and maybe give a bit more closure to this character. I actually don’t know all the details, just the premise of what the [series creators] pitched to me, and I thought it sounded very interesting. Fingers crossed they’ll do their usual bang-up, good job and the audience can maybe see a last interesting adventure for Robin Hood.

He's kind of contradicting himself in some ways.  A lot of people weren't loving that abrupt end, but this time, they'll do their "usual bang-up, good job"?  

TVLINE | Did the fact that it’s for multiple episodes sell you on returning? If it was just a one-off, might you have politely declined?


No, the prerequisite was “What story do you want to tell?” I sort of said, “I’ll go first: If it’s this or that, that might not be the ideal thing for me. But if the story is something that we all feel is an exciting chapter to tell, that’s the deal-breaker. That’s really what it was all about, whether it was one episode or 10. I obviously had no intention of going back, because I, like they, felt that that was it and it was done. But the story that they pitched sounded interesting, and they seemed excited about it. Hopefully, the audience will enjoy it.

It feels like a lot of back-tracking and damage control to show that it's a big happy family again.  I wonder if there's so much two-sided talks in other previously hyped returns.  I mean, Red returning for the one-off with Dorothy?  Graham returning for a brief flashback role?  Sidney returning for an episode only to run off and never be seen again?  Neal returning for one scene inside a car saying vague stuff?  August returning for multiple episodes doing nothing?  Maybe usually, everyone just jumps to come back regardless of what's written for them?

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26 minutes ago, Camera One said:

Here's Sean's latest interview on TV Line.
http://tvline.com/2016/10/23/sean-maguire-timeless-once-upon-a-time/

 

 

He's kind of contradicting himself in some ways.  A lot of people weren't loving that abrupt end, but this time, they'll do their "usual bang-up, good job"?  

 

 

It feels like a lot of back-tracking and damage control to show that it's a big happy family again.  I wonder if there's so much two-sided talks in other previously hyped returns.  I mean, Red returning for the one-off with Dorothy?  Graham returning for a brief flashback role?  Sidney returning for an episode only to run off and never be seen again?  Neal returning for one scene inside a car saying vague stuff?  August returning for multiple episodes doing nothing?  Maybe usually, everyone just jumps to come back regardless of what's written for them?

It is basically damage control and back-tracking and even when the characters do come back, not much really happens or changes anything with the main characters/story so it's more of a pointless cameo.

KingOfHearts

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It is basically damage control and back-tracking and even when the characters do come back, not much really happens or changes anything with the main characters/story so it's more of a pointless cameo.

I really, really hate the Neal tributes. I disliked Rumple's speech at the gravestone, Snowflake's name, his cameo at the beginning of 5x12, and all the times his mentions are shoehorned in. Somehow, I feel like Robin is going to get a similar treatment. Maybe it will burn less because I don't hate him as much.

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