Spoiler Discussion: The apple was poisoned?!

[Rumsy4]

The writers can't resist having Regina save the day in every climactic moment. If I were to guess, Regina will be the one responsible for saving Marian from the DQ's Curse. That fits with the whole OQ triangle plot. I think the DQ will sacrifice herself to save Emma or Elsa from either her own magic gone wrong, or from being "hatted" by Rumple. And of course, we'll get the reverse of Frozen with Elsa turning into a block of ice trying to save Anna. We only have spoilers of Elsa being potentially frozen solid so far. Hook will "die" trying to save Emma, but I don't want a True Love's kiss between them this soon. But we may get it this half-season, as 4B is likely to feature an OQ TLK. 

[YaddaYadda]

I don't want a TLK either because it's completely cheap now and if OQ get to have one, then I want it even less.  Putting the whole pearl clutching aside for a moment, I really don't hate the idea of the hat spitting out the people it sucks in somewhere in the land without magic.  It would be sort of cool to actually have Hook look like a completely normal person for like 5 minutes, without the guyliner, the leather and wearing sneakers.  I'd laugh.

[Souris]

I had a horrible terrible thought. Someone please tell me this is total crazy talk.

 

So, after this whole arc about Emma and Elsa having something in common in not being able to control their powers, and Emma being afraid of hurting someone with her powers, plus whatever her history is with the DQ, in the final confrontation, she'll fail, and Hook will be cursed/apparently dead/dead/Mostly Dead, with Emma sobbing over him. And then Regina will swoop in, use some unprecedented magic to defeat DQ, then save Hook, proving she's Emma's superior in every way, able to do magic no one has been able to do in saving someone from death, plus, unlike certain other life ruiners who separate people from their loved ones (never mind that Cora was lying to Leopold, that Snow was trying to make it possible for Regina and Daniel to be together and that Emma was reuniting Marian with her family), Regina actually saves Emma's loved one. All hail St. Regina!

 

It'll never happen, right? Right?

 

Welcome to my world of terrible scenario thoughts! That is a terrible thought. And unfortunately, it has multiple precedents on this show. As I said before, one can't count out A&E doing anything that strokes their Regina perma-boner. (Too much?)

[retrograde]

So it looks like our predictions that the mirror will affect the whole town (other than Emma and Elsa) were correct. Which I'm cool with. I'd rather see that than just one of the couples. Though I wonder if it will end up being a bit of Echo Cave redux, with Hook, Rumple and whoever else spilling their darkest secrets.

[YaddaYadda]

Rumple knows about the mirror, wouldn't he move to protect himself from whatever it does?

 

And David pushing Hook out of the way of the falling lamp post.  So Hook saves him last season and David returns the favor...

[HoodlumSheep]

Captain Charming 4eva!!!

Anyways, Killy mentioned smashing the mirror, so I wonder if we'll see someone attempting that or if the DQ actually casts the spell. Also, Rumple could've taken out the snow queen with that hat, but he didn't. He's scheming something big.

[stealinghome]

Man, if David gets seriously hurt because Emma's magic gets out of control, Emma's guilt will be immense. :(

[retrograde]

I'm pretty sure those watching filming said David doesn't seem to get seriously hurt, but Emma freaks out and runs off anyway.

[HoodlumSheep]

Belle has the fake dagger, correct? Why didn't they show Rumple's wound healing (or something like that), or did I completely miss that? He gets stabbed in the chest with a hook, and shows no sign of injury, but a fake dagger manages to draw blood? Confused! >_<

Edited November 3, 2014 by HoodlumSheep

[Jean]

I think it's a good sign that the Frozen crew is here for all 11 episodes and not just the 9 they had planned. Anna/Elsa team up for sure saves part of the day but as we've seen they can makeup enough pieces of the pie to shoehorn in their pet.

EM/DQ continues to be the best part of the arc. I loved her crazy eyes in the promo when Emma blew out that wall. She's also the only one in the whole universe that gives zero fucks about Rumple. How refreshing. Can we keep her and get rid of the St. Anchor Victim that drags the entire show down?

I was joking earlier about Emma being the DQ's sister reincarnated but are they serious? That lookalike comment was unnecessary for them to get to the reveal since the scroll did that for them. I guess if your squint hard enough Pressman resembles JMo. My guess is DQ accidentally killed Helga and Elsa's mom urned her in response. I'm surprised Disney let them change the name.

[sharky]

I don't think we ever got the name in the movie.

And remember that we're actually getting Frozen for 12 episodes! With the double episode coming in two weeks, I wonder if that will be the week the mirror gets unleashed on Storybrooke.

[YaddaYadda]

DQ completely gleeful at Emma's powers...she let herself get captured and she's likely enjoying every second of it.  Even Rumple threatening her with the hat doesn't seem to have fazed her all that much.  She's full on cray-cray.

 

So now I'm trying to figure out the timeline of the stills/pics that we saw, including the hook on the hook in the station.

 

So Emma flips out next week about her powers, Hook goes to touch her/grab her and she has a hysterical reaction to that which brings down the lamp post, then we know she runs and in 408, her parents still don't know where she is.  Am I getting this right?

[Emma]

Cinderella and Aurora return.

Are we going to get an actual conversation between Emma and Snow about how she feels about baby do-over or just another 10 second look?

“The Snow Queen” – Emma captures the Snow Queen and interrogates her at the sheriff’s station. But the Snow Queen uses her prior knowledge of Emma to try to persuade her into thinking that they are more alike than she could possibly imagine. Regina and Robin Hood’s relationship grows increasingly complex as they struggle to find a way to save his dying wife, Emma begins to see what she missed out on by not growing up and being a family with Snow and Charming when she sees how involved Mary Margaret is in baby Neal’s life, and Henry begins his after school job in Gold’s shop while trying to help Regina find a clue to the identity of the author of the storybook. Meanwhile, in Arendelle of the past, we learn about the origin of the Snow Queen and her familial connection to Elsa and Anna as we see her discover her spectacular yet deadly ice powers, on “Once Upon a Time,” SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 9 (8:00-9:00 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network.

“Once Upon a Time” stars Ginnifer Goodwin as Snow White/Mary Margaret, Jennifer Morrison as Emma Swan, Lana Parrilla as the Evil Queen/Regina, Josh Dallas as Prince Charming/David Nolan, Emilie de Ravin as Belle, Colin O’Donoghue as Hook, Jared S. Gilmore as Henry, Michael Socha as Will Scarlet and Robert Carlyle as Rumplestiltskin/Mr. Gold.

Guest starring are Jessy Schram as Ashley/Cinderella, Sarah Bolger as Aurora, Sean Maguire as Robin Hood, Georgina Haig as Elsa, Elizabeth Mitchell as Snow Queen, John Rhys-Davies as Grand Pabbie, Brighton Sharbino as young Ingrid, Ava Marie Telek as young Gerda, Bailey Herbert as young Helga, Jonathan Runyon as Duke, Pascale Hutton as Gerda, Sally Pressman as Helga, Greg Webb as King and Ryan Booth as man.

[FurryFury]

Emma begins to see what she missed out on by not growing up and being a family with Snow and Charming when she sees how involved Mary Margaret is in baby Neal’s life

 

You don't say! Color me legitimately shocked they've ever bothered to address that. I guess the extra episode helped.

 

Also I'm very interested in Ingrid's flashbacks.

[KAOS Agent]

The Baby Snowflake stuff is only there in service to the Emma drama of they can never love you and look they've already replaced you crap the Snow Queen is going to feed her. That it's actually true (see: Snow's confession in Echo Cave) will not be acknowledged. It will all be in Emma's head. I will be interested to see if they bring up Emma's first family who replaced her with a new baby. Snow Queen has Emma's history, so I definitely see her playing on that as history repeats itself.

[YaddaYadda]

Sounds like they're gonna be putting Emma through the emotional ringer next week.  I think she'll go find Hook on her own at the end.

Edited November 3, 2014 by YaddaYadda

[FabulousTater]

I'm kinda laughing at the press releases and articles that have to specify "baby Neal" because the fucktards that are these writers decided to grossly name Emma's brother after the douchebag that emotionally eviscerated Emma and they keep name checking him in every episode. So they have to put "baby" in front the Snowflake's name every time because people get mental whiplash when someone mentions the baby only by name and they don't know who the hell they're talking about (like every time Snow talks about feeding "Neal", the downright nightmarish images that fly through my head before I realize she's talking about the baby are just frightening). Also, the grossness that a baby named "Neal" gets everything Emma never had when in fact the real Neal that the baby is named after played a big part in stripping the last hope of ever having a home from teen Emma is not lost on me. I didn't know it was possible to hate a character more and more even after they're dead.

Edited November 3, 2014 by FabulousTater

[Serena]

Who wants to bet that they're gonna be like "the curse robbed us of being a family!", like last episode it was "the curse and Zelena" that kept their babies from Snowing, instead of "Regina" or even "Regina's curse"?

[RadioGirl27]

I'm sure the DQ is going to use Snowflake to get into Emma's head. And it seems they want to keep Hook's deal with Rumple a secret until it blows in his face in episode 8, but it's something the DQ could use to mess with Emma.

[Rumsy4]

And putting Emma into a wardrobe will be framed as a decicion Snow and Charming made without reference to a vindictive infant-murdering Evil Queen.

[Bluerang1]

Why didn't highlight the flashback in the promo? That would have made me more interested in next week's episode. But readung this info I'm really interested now. Andd looking forward to seein Cinderella who I've missed since S1 <3

[patchwork]

 

 

So, after this whole arc about Emma and Elsa having something in common in not being able to control their powers, and Emma being afraid of hurting someone with her powers, plus whatever her history is with the DQ, in the final confrontation, she'll fail, and Hook will be cursed/apparently dead/dead/Mostly Dead, with Emma sobbing over him. And then Regina will swoop in, use some unprecedented magic to defeat DQ, then save Hook, proving she's Emma's superior in every way, able to do magic no one has been able to do in saving someone from death, plus, unlike certain other life ruiners who separate people from their loved ones (never mind that Cora was lying to Leopold, that Snow was trying to make it possible for Regina and Daniel to be together and that Emma was reuniting Marian with her family), Regina actually saves Emma's loved one. All hail St. Regina!

It'll never happen, right? Right?

 

It feels like tempting fate to type this but I'm pretty confident that Elsa, Anna and Emma are going to be the heroes of this arc right to the end. Regina has had limited contact with the Frozen cast and I can't help but think it's because Disney are keeping an eagle eye on everything related to their cash cow.

 

But we will pay for it in 4B, oh how we will pay.  

[Mari]

But we will pay for it in 4B, oh how we will pay.  

 

I have a fast forward button, and I'm not afraid to use it. (Also, if I don't fast forward, it gives me something to rage semi-satisfyingly about.)

 

Edited to add:

If it gets bad enough, maybe we can watch on mute, and start an "invent the dialogue" thread.  It'll be a whole alternate story that actually makes sense and has actual character development.

Edited November 3, 2014 by Mari

[Emma]

I am guessing we'll see the head games, no real confrontations on it, Emma freaks out, and runs. Last scenes will be of her looking pensive and upset in the woods probably.

 

It's my hope that Emma doesn't buy into all the head games in terms of doubting those who love her. I can see it pissing her off and thus losing control of her magic (maybe with a little help from the DQ). I hope she's running away because she's afraid of hurting those she loves rather than believing they're really afraid of what she might do.

 

While I've been enjoying all the Emma smiles and happiness, I can't wait to see Jen bring the drama. She always breaks my heart when she's hurting.

[snarkastic]

I want to be excited that they're bringing Aurora and Cinderella back, but I'm sure it will be for a 30 second scene with Snow about how much they love babies and being mothers, and Emma will see and get sad. And let's see if they remember Alexandra should be 1.5-2 years old and not a baby.

 

Is it too much to hope for Cinderella and Will having a scene together? Yes? I thought so.

[YaddaYadda]

Is it too much to hope for Cinderella and Will having a scene together? Yes? I thought so

 

Isn't that the reason they're bringing Cinderella back in the first place?  I don't see what else she has to do on OUaT other than push whatever Will is doing forward.

[Jean]

So Ingrid is a cautionary tale of what could've happened to Elsa/Emma if they didn't have a support system? I'm almost positive that when the DQ was trying to teach Emma magic when she was a kid, she accidentally hurt Lily and that was what broke them up. As a result she took away Emma's memories, which to me seems more merciful than taking away Anna's but leaving Elsa with the memory of hurting her sister. Or presumably what also happened to her, the rock trolls took away her sisters' memories but left hers intact.

 

So when Emma remembers the entire thing she gets desperate enough to go to Rumple because it's based on a real event instead of something that could happen.

[scenicbyway]

My guess is that Aurora and Cinderella are hanging out together in Storybrooke and they have a run in with Will.  But it will be nothing more than a blip on the episode.

 

So this is the episode where Emma decides to run away from everyone. Great.  I wish David would've done the interrogation.  It does seem like a weird time for her to get jealous of baby Snowflake?  The kid is 2 weeks old and needs constant care. Come on.

 

I think that Ingrid accidentally kills her sister and to protect her other sister, their parents end up urning Ingrid and have Grand Pabbie erase Gerda's memories of her sisters.

 

My husband has been watching the show a little bit, and a plot point that he's irritated by, is that little Emma would've had no trouble being adopted since that she was an adorable blonde child.  I think he's right, she seems like a good kid and is pretty, so how was she really never adopted?

[Mari]

My husband has been watching the show a little bit, and a plot point that he's irritated by, is that little Emma would've had no trouble being adopted since that she was an adorable blonde child.  I think he's right, she seems like a good kid and is pretty, so how was she really never adopted?

Replying in the Emma thread.

[Rumsy4]

The girl, Brighton Sherbino, who is playing young Ingrid, looks exactly like little Elizabeth Mitchell. Where do they find these people? lol

[Emma]

http://www.farfarawaysite.com/section/once/gallery5/gallery7/gallery.htm

 

Some episode 7 bts and stills.

 

All the moms and babies in one room is freaking me out for some reason. And that look on Snows face makes me think Emma did something wrong. Yikes.

Edited November 3, 2014 by Emma

[Rumsy4]

All the moms and babies in one room is freaking me out for some reason. And that look on Snows face makes me think Emma did something wrong. Yikes.

 

Yeah--me too. Maybe Emma brings something magical to the new!mom party, and Snow tells her off saying she only has fake memories of raising Henry. That is my worst-case scenario. Hopefully, it won't be anything horrible like that. So, how come Aurora had that baby? And isn't Cinderella's baby a toddler by now? 

 

ETA: Maybe Emma let the milk curdle. Horrors! 

So, Aurora got de-monkeyfied and had that baby in the last week, even though she was not near term when she got monkeyfied by Zelena. And she lost all that birth-weight immediately. And she is dressed in modern Storybrooke outfit. So, they can dress Aurora up nicely, but continued dressing Marian up like a tramp. okay... 

Edited November 3, 2014 by Rumsy4

[snarkastic]

Congratulations to Cinderella and Thomas on their second child, I guess. Uncle Will now has a niece and nephew he'll probably never meet. And Aurora must have had hers during the White Out or something? Also, in the small pics of OQ it looks like Regina is trying to seduce Robin in her red dress and all the candles. (I can see that's not the case in the larger version, but still...)

[YaddaYadda]

Emma standing in a room full of babies when she didn't have that with either her mother or her son will probably contribute to the emotional upheaval.  Girlfriend can't catch a break.

[Emma]

I take it back. I'm not looking forward to this episode at all.

 

Emma's been too happy and this episode is going to be one big dump on after another. It's going to be painful.

[HoodlumSheep]

So, they can dress Aurora up nicely, but continued dressing Marian up like a tramp. okay...

I choose to believe that it's because Marian isn't part of the Disney Princess Clique, so she doesn't get new fancy clothes or nice things. Instead she gets to be a popsicle.

Also hoping Cindy's baby is her second.

Cute mickey outfit!

[Serena]

Cindy's baby is totally older than the others. She stands up straight.

[Shanna Marie]

Shouldn't Aurora's baby not even be born yet, or at least be younger than Snowflake? She wasn't de-monkeyfied until after Snowflake was born.

[Rumsy4]

I guess everyone got busy making babies in the missing year, and there were no magical birth control options available. That's why we got so few flashbacks to the missing year. It would have been X-rated. ;-)

[daxx]

I guess everyone got busy making babies in the missing year, and there were no magical birth control options available. That's why we got so few flashbacks to the missing year. It would have been X-rated. ;-)

No more Netflix or Internet. They were bored after all. He.

[FabulousTater]

I can imagine Rumple getting a glimpse of that room full of (I'm assuming) True Love babies and just getting giddy with the all the potion making potential.

 

Meanwhile, Zelena be like, "Where were all these drooling brats when I needed them. Gah! Why didn't I think of invading the Baby and Me club! Damn my rash decisions and overly complex plans! I should've never read Rumple's copy of 'Rube Goldberg's Guide To Curses' when he gave it to me. That damn dirty trickster, Rumpelstiltskin!"

Edited November 3, 2014 by FabulousTater

[Shanna Marie]

There may also be a number of broken curse babies -- all those happy reunions among spouses/lovers once they got their memories back and found each other again. How long before the missing year did the curse break? There should have been a massive baby boom about nine months later.

 

Cinderella's baby should be close to two by now, so maybe the one pictured is a second child.

[scenicbyway]

I'm intrigued that Emma is back in her Red (beanstalk, travel back in time) leather jacket.  It's a departure from the orange jacket she's been wearing for most of the season.  Maybe this means good things for Hook and Emma?  They always have a lot of drama (usually good) when she wears that jacket.

 

It looks to me like, Emma wants to join in with the mommy and me group but the ladies aren't having it.  I'd be ticked if I were her.

[YaddaYadda]

It looks to me like, Emma wants to join in with the mommy and me group but the ladies aren't having it.

 

If that happens, Emma should get Hook, get in her bug and leave Storybrooke forever.  Screw everyone's happy ending.

 

ETA - I know I left Henry out, but I really dislike him and he lives with Regina, so he can just stay there.

Edited November 3, 2014 by YaddaYadda

[HoodlumSheep]

Cindy's baby does look older, but not old enough? I have no idea. The baby looks like it is dressed like a boy which causes some confusion. Then again, the clothes could be hand-me-downs, or they just don't care what they dress their baby in, which is fine too. But shouldn't the baby have more hair on its head than that at about 1-2 yrs.?

Aurora's outfit looks cute and she seems happy.

[KingOfHearts]

 

All the moms and babies in one room is freaking me out for some reason. 

This scene cracks me up for some reason. Cinderella, Aurora and Snow White all going to a Mommy Princess support group is just funny on paper. Anyone else notice the Mickey Mouse baby?

 

Judging by those pictures of Rumple, Ingrid and the urn, it looks like Ingrid is trading Elsa for something, or Rumple is going to keep Elsa locked away for her in exchange for something else.

 

Robin! Get out of Regina's vault, now. She really needs to start locking that thing. What's with all the candles and Regina's dress...? I'm scared of this.

Edited November 3, 2014 by KingOfHearts

[YaddaYadda]

Judging by those pictures of Rumple, Ingrid and the urn, it looks like Ingrid is trading Elsa for something, or Rumple is going to keep Elsa locked away for her in exchange for something else.

 

The hat that was taken from him by Anna and that DQ now has?  Going by what happened yesterday, she doesn't know how he got it, so she probably doesn't give it to him.

[FabulousTater]

Cinderella's baby girl, Alexandra, has to be at least 2 years old since she was born very early in season 1. That baby with Cinderella now looks much younger than two years old and is dressed as a boy. Unless the writing staff has completely lost their ability to maintain even the smallest amount of continuity (which is really, really possible. I mean, it's this show ), I don't think it's too far out there to assume that baby is Cinderella's second child.

Edited November 3, 2014 by FabulousTater

[Jean]

You guys act like A&E care about stuff like timeline and logic. And then when fans go on twitter to bitch about CIndy's baby being around the same age, they'll go, it was in utero for so long it led to stunted growth. And Aurora's baby had accelerated growth cause it spent time in a monkey womb. Get with the program guys.

 

I can't even imagine the logistics involved with having that many babies on set. Which director drew the short straw for this episode?

 

 

It's going to be painful.

I'm looking forward to finally having a meaty scene with DQ and Emma and DQ/Emma/Elsa. It should be awesome. Emma is pretty much cool and collected like the DQ is and to watch her blow her top while the DQ is practically rubbing her hands in glee?

 

I don't think the Rumple pic with the urn is about how Elsa got urned, but how the DQ got urned.

[BelovedMaeve]

If we can get some conversations between Emma and her parents about babies and lost childhoods, I will be happy, even if its relatively short (but not if the replace w/ Regina). However, I am concerned with a bit in the promo. David and Snow have never showed "fear" of Emma…so are they going to come up with some contrivance before Emma's powers go crazy? I already hate that because my best guess is that they'll dump that stupidity on Snow.

<sigh>