YaddaYadda October 6, 2014 Share October 6, 2014 It seems like blackmail is a strong word for whatever is going on between Hook and Rumple. Might've started out that way, but it seems like Rumple gets the upper hand on Hook rather quickly if anything. 1 Link to comment
retrograde October 6, 2014 Share October 6, 2014 Is Hook maybe holding a vial of memory potion in this photo? Or some sort of spell from Rumple? If he finds out about the dagger, he must go visit the store at some point. Link to comment
ParadoxLost October 7, 2014 Share October 7, 2014 I wonder if Hook realizes something is messed up when Henry goes to work for Gold. Perhaps the apprentice is really Henry and Gold gives Hook the hand in order to control Hook. That would probably explain why Hook is so eager to cut it off as a way to be released so he can tell Emma what's going on. Its all so clear now. 4B is the Evil Dead II and the fairybacks are Army of Darkness. Its got villains in mirrors. Its got witches. The OUAT storybook is obviously the Book of the Dead. So Hook's hand will try to kill him right? If Hook uses A Farewell to Arms to imprison his hand that would be "Groovy". 3 Link to comment
Anakerie October 7, 2014 Share October 7, 2014 Its all so clear now. 4B is the Evil Dead II and the fairybacks are Army of Darkness. Its got villains in mirrors. Its got witches. The OUAT storybook is obviously the Book of the Dead. So Hook's hand will try to kill him right? If Hook uses A Farewell to Arms to imprison his hand that would be "Groovy". I just imagined Hook's hand snatching up plates at Granny's and bashing him over the head with them. But it's not all bad: he can then upgrade from a hook to a chainsaw. Hook: "Hail to the king, luv." 1 Link to comment
ParadoxLost October 7, 2014 Share October 7, 2014 I'm not a fan of the whole "Elsa's being framed!" plot because inevitably the characters are going to look naive in some fashion. I'm not a fan of this because the townsfolk usually decide to string someone up and ask questions later. If characters from this show were transplanted into other shows, Grumpy would be Dexter. 2 Link to comment
InsertWordHere October 7, 2014 Share October 7, 2014 (edited) Might've started out that way, but it seems like Rumple gets the upper hand on Hook rather quickly if anything. I really have to give you a hand for this pun. Edit: Regina's outfit reminds me of Lana Parrilla's lovely wardrobe on LOST. Maybe it's a shout out? Edited October 7, 2014 by InsertWordHere Link to comment
Dianthus October 7, 2014 Share October 7, 2014 I'm really not loving this development so far. Hook's not stupid (except for plot reasons, guess this is one of them) or naïve enough to think that dealing with Gold will go well for him. Maybe he thinks being the Savior's consort offers some kind of protection, but why wouldn't he just go to Emma in the first place, knowing that Gold's up to his old tricks? Link to comment
scenicbyway October 7, 2014 Share October 7, 2014 How does Hook even know that Belle is supposed to have Rumple's dagger? I do agree that Hook and Elsa get into some kind of trouble when he's supposed to be watching her and that leads to the later makeup scene between Hook and Emma. I can't get excited about this Knave character, do we need another character on the show? Especially when I think he's just there to torment Hook and Emma? I like that Operation Book Story Book requires casual clothes for Henry and Regina, that way no one will suspect a thing! Henry's scarf has been transformed into a striped shirt and Regina's just come from a yoga class. Link to comment
retrograde October 7, 2014 Share October 7, 2014 I'm glad Henry is out of the flannel shirts and actually dressing like a teenager. 1 Link to comment
stealinghome October 7, 2014 Share October 7, 2014 How does Hook even know that Belle is supposed to have Rumple's dagger? Rumpel told everyone Belle had it in 3x21, when they were watching the (altered) video of Zelena dying. Rumpel said he couldn't have done it because Belle had the dagger and didn't want him to. (Of course it was a lie, but no one knew/knows that.) Link to comment
InsertWordHere October 7, 2014 Share October 7, 2014 Hook and Emma weren't there for that scene, but I could buy Charming telling either of them about it. Or maybe Hook finds out at the beginning of 4.03 to help set up this new storyline. Link to comment
KingOfHearts October 7, 2014 Share October 7, 2014 Has Marian been in any BTS photos since 4x03? I'm curious to know if she happens to die. Link to comment
retrograde October 7, 2014 Share October 7, 2014 She hasn't (well, she has, but it was apparently for 4.03 reshoots), but then, Robin and a whole lot of others haven't been spotted at any location shooting, either. I have trouble believing they'd kill her off so early. Unless her dying sends Robin spiraling into guilt and depression for the rest of 4a. 2 Link to comment
KingOfHearts October 7, 2014 Share October 7, 2014 (edited) She hasn't (well, she has, but it was apparently for 4.03 reshoots), but then, Robin and a whole lot of others haven't been spotted at any location shooting, either. I have trouble believing they'd kill her off so early. Unless her dying sends Robin spiraling into guilt and depression for the rest of 4a.Well if she doesn't die, it definitely smells of a foreshadowing. She's almost died twice now within 3 episodes. Edited October 7, 2014 by KingOfHearts 1 Link to comment
Anakerie October 7, 2014 Share October 7, 2014 Maybe Marian is just passive-aggressive. "No, don't worry about me. I'll just lie here and die alone. Again." If they don't stop it now it'll continue on for decades. "No, Roland. You don't have to go to the pharmacy and pick me up my Preparation H. I suppose I've lived long enough anyway..." or "*sigh* No, dear, it's okay that you spend Thanksgiving with your wife's family. The kids should get used to it since I won't be around much longer..." 2 Link to comment
Curio October 7, 2014 Share October 7, 2014 (edited) I have trouble believing they'd kill her off so early. Unless her dying sends Robin spiraling into guilt and depression for the rest of 4a.I agree - from a storytelling standpoint, it would be weird for them to kill off Marian this early. In the preview, it looks like she's frozen-sleeping, as if she needs a True Love's Kiss™ to unfreeze/wake her up. I could maybe see the writers having Robin attempt a TLK to wake her up, but it ends up not working. Then he'd feel guilty that Marian died because he couldn't save her, which I guess could be enough angst to stretch the Robin/Regina storyline out for a while. But I highly doubt they'll kill her off this soon, especially since there's a lot more story to mine from this ridiculous love triangle. (Although, oddly, I'd actually be okay with them killing her just to end the love triangle in general.) Edited October 7, 2014 by Curio 4 Link to comment
YaddaYadda October 7, 2014 Share October 7, 2014 I have a self-imposed moratorium on anything to do with the triangle of fuckery that I will now have to break. they could just leave Marian in a frozen state (haha! the puns just keep on coming!). Robin can't win this one though at all which sort of makes me sorry for the douche and also roll my eyes hard the scenario the writers have come up with. If there's a TLK and Marian wakes up, Regina will be on her way to brooding into eternity and then some. If the TLK fails then Marian might be just stuck that way and Robin looks like a complete prick (which he is). Can we have several shows like 4x02 where those 3 aren't there at all and are not or barely mentioned? 4 Link to comment
retrograde October 7, 2014 Share October 7, 2014 I have considered that maybe Marian might choose to go back to the Enchanted Forest next time a portal shows up (Elsa's gotta go home eventually, and it seems like the Snow Queen can move between worlds). Like she chooses to leave Robin, and never takes to our world. But the sticking point for me there is Roland -- I can't see either parent being willing to part with him. Link to comment
patchwork October 7, 2014 Share October 7, 2014 Would OUAT really go so far as to outright show Robin Hood and Maid Marian not being a true love couple? Yeah actually it probably would and instead of it being about them it be all about Regina. 4 Link to comment
YaddaYadda October 7, 2014 Share October 7, 2014 Well they already called Marian vanilla and not memorable, so... Link to comment
Rumsy4 October 7, 2014 Share October 7, 2014 If they actually write-in Robin attempting a True Love's kiss and failing, that too in front of Regina and others, it will be disgusting, and a real insult to the traditional Robin Hood/Marian romance. But this is OUAT, where even Snow White gets character-assasinated at the altar of the Evil Queen. And we already know Marian's going to be fridged by the end of this arc. So... I could see a scenario where Roland kisses Marian and breaks the curse on her, before Robin attempts to do so. That way, they could at least leave it open-ended as to whether or not Robin could have broken the curse. 2 Link to comment
FurryFury October 7, 2014 Share October 7, 2014 (edited) t will be disgusting, and a real insult to the traditional Robin Hood/Marian romance. Wasn't Wendy in a cage already an insult to a Peter Pan/Wendy relationship? Or Tinkerbell barely (if at all) ever speaking with him? Wasn't Lancelot's handling a disgrace to his role in the Arthurian legend? Or Dorothy being well-meaning, but essentially useless, to the Oz books? But thing is, I survived that, so I could survive the Robin/Marian not being a true love (although I'd definitely prefer it if true love was either explained as not being unique - like a person having more than one true love in their lifetime - or being so freaking rare only Snow and Charming have it). It's the other stuff surrounding Robin that makes it problematic, not simply the fact he can't give her a true love's kiss (which is what I expect will happen). Edited October 7, 2014 by FurryFury Link to comment
Rumsy4 October 7, 2014 Share October 7, 2014 (edited) They twist every story, so I didn't feel that putting Wendy in a cage was an insult, as much as disturbing for other reasons. Besides, OUAT's Peter Pan is quite disconnected with Barrie's creation. With Robin Hood, they have not made any twist to the legend. He still has the same back story and characteristics of traditional Robin Hood figures. I find Marian's situation in the Show very pitiable. She is a perfectly innocent woman who's being put down to prop up Regina. She's dressed in potato sacks, and made to beg the woman she called a monster to save her. Her husband is in love with the woman who terrorized her, and was about to murder her in glee. Does she also need to witness her husband unable to give her a True Love's kiss? If Marian was brought back to the show to teach Regina a lesson about her actions having consequences, why is Marian the one paying for it? I've never really romanticised Robin Hood and Maid Marian beyond enjoying their story in general, but the specific way OUAT is portraying that tale is unpalatable to me. In the show, I found Robin Hood bland and somewhat idiotic before they brought Marian back. Now, I find him a douche. I wish the writers had gone all the way, and actually made Robin Hood a villain. As such, he's coming across as a real jerk. Edited October 7, 2014 by Rumsy4 9 Link to comment
ShadowFacts October 7, 2014 Share October 7, 2014 I think that no matter which way they handle Robin and Marian, the true love/soulmate status of Regina and Robin is compromised. Tainted love, as it were. Whether she freezes, isn't awakened by a kiss, takes an express portal elsewhere-Robin can't be unencumbered by some sort of grief and Regina just won't feel the same as before Marian reappeared. 2 Link to comment
FurryFury October 7, 2014 Share October 7, 2014 I agree it was a terrible idea. Even if Regina didn't have any baggage and wasn't guilty of killing Marian, it would still be stupid because of how soapy it is. I just don't think the show cares about preserving the canonical status of some fairytale characters, nor do I feel like it should. I'd prefer a fresh take any day - if it's good, of course. 1 Link to comment
sharky October 7, 2014 Share October 7, 2014 Well if she doesn't die, it definitely smells of a foreshadowing. She's almost died twice now within 3 episodes. I already called it months ago -- it's a Final Destination situation. She was supposed to die so she's gonna die! Of course, now that the Knave is in the picture and rooting around Robin's camp, I do wonder if there's something there. Perhaps Marian isn't all she says she is? Perhaps the Knave is there to find out what's going on, expose "Marian" and take her back to where she should be. I mean, why would the Snow Queen want to freeze her in the first place? She's just some peasant who lives in the woods....unless she isn't. ;) 2 Link to comment
KingOfHearts October 7, 2014 Share October 7, 2014 (edited) I already called it months ago -- it's a Final Destination situation. She was supposed to die so she's gonna die!Of course, now that the Knave is in the picture and rooting around Robin's camp, I do wonder if there's something there. Perhaps Marian isn't all she says she is? Perhaps the Knave is there to find out what's going on, expose "Marian" and take her back to where she should be. I mean, why would the Snow Queen want to freeze her in the first place? She's just some peasant who lives in the woods....unless she isn't. ;) Totally agree with this... from what I've seen so far, I don't think Robin could TLK/ATL* her. Otherwise, it wouldn't very climactic. I could see a scenario where Roland kisses Marian and breaks the curse on her, before Robin attempts to do so. That way, they could at least leave it open-ended as to whether or not Robin could have broken the curse. Roland barely even knows Marian though... as if TLK's weren't cheapened enough already. If they actually write-in Robin attempting a True Love's kiss and failing, that too in front of Regina and others, it will be disgusting, and a real insult to the traditional Robin Hood/Marian romance. They already insulted the traditional romance when Robin basically said he loved Regina more in 4x01. I'd actually prefer Marian to die just to get it over with. The more she's in the picture, the more injustice and tainted romance we'll see. * ATL = Act of True Love Edited October 7, 2014 by KingOfHearts 2 Link to comment
ShadowFacts October 7, 2014 Share October 7, 2014 If we are to believe the fairy dust bilge, then we have to believe that Robin and Marian were never true loves anyway, right? Wouldn't it be great if Regina arrived at the conclusion that the stolen fairy dust meant absolutely nothing? And she'd rather find love the non-fairy dust, non-magic-induced way? Yeah, I know, I know. Link to comment
Jean October 7, 2014 Share October 7, 2014 I think I know why they cut out the Henry/Rumple scene. Because it would seem super callous of Rumple to go from a heart to heart talk with his grandkid about his mom's problems and then being nonchalant about the kid's other mom dying. The Frozen newbies might not have realized that Emma is connected to Rumple in that way yet. Maybe they'll move it to Ep. 3 because there needs to be some sort of foundation to set up the Henry working in his shop. But for sure I do think it was set for Ep. 2. Robert talked about filming it already and he said Henry was waiting for him at night right when they arrived back from their honeymoon. He also said his first scene with Elsa was going to be taped that Monday? after comic con and that's in Ep. 3. I also noticed Lail wasn't listed for Ep. 3 so does she meet Rumple in Ep. 4? Could she be his apprentice? Link to comment
retrograde October 7, 2014 Share October 7, 2014 Jane Espenson said on Twitter that White Out was "very much too long" so I can imagine they had to make some tough cuts, and I can see why something otherwise irrelevant to the episode got the chop. Link to comment
FurryFury October 7, 2014 Share October 7, 2014 and I can see why something otherwise irrelevant to the episode got the chop. Like Regina and Rumple? Yeah, I totally see it. Too bad they won't make the same cuts for the other episodes. Link to comment
retrograde October 7, 2014 Share October 7, 2014 (edited) Looks like they're filming in Steveston on Thursday. ETA: Blue's back. Edited October 7, 2014 by retrograde Link to comment
l star October 7, 2014 Share October 7, 2014 While I like Robin Hood and Maid Marion in other versions, I couldn't care less about them in the Disney movie. As far as I'm concerned, nothing on this show has any connection to the classic versions. These are the Disney versions brought to life. So I'm fine with a TLK not waking Marion up. I put twists like that in the same boat I put Red Riding Hood being the wolf and killing her boyfriend in. And I do not think it is any more insulting that they are throwing away that Disney romance for Regina's romance than I do that they took any elements of Captain Hook being a badass or pirate away to pair him with Emma. You can't mix all the stories together and not have any characters or relationships change. Looking at the BTS pic, I thought it looked like Regina had on black slacks, a tee and a vest. While that is unusually casual for Regina it isn't for me. I thought that was probably her officially no longer mayor outfit. I'm glad the Rumple/Henry scene was apparently cut. I don't see how Henry wanting to go back to NY with his fake memories fit with anything in either of the past two eps. Then again I would be very happy if NY was never mentioned again. If Henry is going to be the Sorcerer's Apprentice, I'm curious if he will be shown to have been born with powers or will he have to learn what he can from spells and magic objects with Rumple? Have we seen any men yet that are inherently magical like Emma, Regina, Elsa, Zelena, etc? Link to comment
FurryFury October 7, 2014 Share October 7, 2014 Have we seen any men yet that are inherently magical like Emma, Regina, Elsa, Zelena, etc? That's an interesting point! No, I don't think so. All "magical" men had their powers come from curses (Rumple, presumably Zoso - when is he coming back, by the way?), items (Jefferson, Oz) or their knowledge (Frankenstein). I'd love to see a real "evil sorceror" or "dark lord" type later in the show. It may not be from Disney, but it's such a fantasy staple it would be fun to see a spin on this. And I could totally see such a character falling for Regina, lol. 1 Link to comment
YaddaYadda October 7, 2014 Share October 7, 2014 Baby-do-over might/could have magic. And wasn't there something about Henry about some sort of powers and a pull towards darkness because of who his other grand pappy is? Link to comment
ShadowFacts October 7, 2014 Share October 7, 2014 Where would Midas fall on the spectrum? Link to comment
FurryFury October 7, 2014 Share October 7, 2014 We have no ideas about the origin of his powers. Kinda seemed more like a curse, TBH. Otherwise, how did he manage to have a daughter? Baby-do-over might/could have magic. And wasn't there something about Henry about some sort of powers and a pull towards darkness because of who his other grand pappy is? I don't think anything conclusive has been said about either Henry or the Snowflake. Although it's not hard to imagine some sort of Charmed scenario for either of them, considering how soap operas (which Once basically is) like to aged up its child characters. Link to comment
patchwork October 7, 2014 Share October 7, 2014 Heart of the truest believer might not include the ability to cast spells but imo it does make Henry innately magical. What I wouldn't give for Henry to be the reason for Regina's TLK without a heart and white magic last season. 3 Link to comment
FabulousTater October 7, 2014 Share October 7, 2014 Have we seen any men yet that are inherently magical like Emma, Regina, Elsa, Zelena, etc? Jafar? maybe? Someone more familiar with OUaTiW feel free to correct me here because I only watched OUAT in Wonderland in passing, but didn't Jafar learn to use magic? He wasn't cursed or anything, IIRC. That would at least would make him like Regina in magical ability sense. 1 Link to comment
sharky October 7, 2014 Share October 7, 2014 What I wouldn't give for Henry to be the reason for Regina's TLK without a heart and white magic last season. Now THAT could be an interesting switch. After all, as mentioned, he does have the heart of the truest believer. It also would be an interesting twist to his future as an employee of Mr. Gold if there's something there that makes him special enough to be Gold's apprentice. Link to comment
NotBothered October 7, 2014 Share October 7, 2014 Even more promo photos. It looks like Elsa is crying, so I'm guessing she's about to take the Snow Queen's place in the urn. Which I guess we already guessed. 1 Link to comment
formerlyfreedom October 8, 2014 Share October 8, 2014 Some of the stuff getting posted here now is either Speculation without Spoilers and/or Magic, Enchantments, and Curses and/or some other topic. But not in Spoilers, okay? Let's think before we post, and adjust as necessary. Our thanks! Link to comment
snarkastic October 8, 2014 Share October 8, 2014 It looks like Hook is back in his pirate garb at the diner? (I assume this is from today, as an earlier tweet indicated filming at the diner was about to begin) I think this is for the 'Smash the Mirror', or whatever glass related title, episode. So... shard in the eye? Or just got tired of modern day wear? Link to comment
retrograde October 8, 2014 Share October 8, 2014 I dunno, Tumblr is freaking out, but that person (she works on the show in some capacity I believe?) almost always seems to put up photos taken in the past. Besides, aren;t the interiors of Granny's shot in a studio? The first picture is from the exterior at Steveston, and surely someone would have noticed if they were filming there today? Link to comment
Souris October 8, 2014 Share October 8, 2014 I want to know whether it's a new or old picture, because that totally changes the significance! (Apart from the significance of how effing hot he is in that pic.) 2 Link to comment
daxx October 8, 2014 Share October 8, 2014 I want to know whether it's a new or old picture, because that totally changes the significance! (Apart from the significance of how effing hot he is in that pic.) Pre or post new clothes makes a huge difference. Also, so hot it's kinda ridiculous. How does he do that? It does seem like he has more eyeliner than recent eps, so could be a current pic. Dark Hook would equal more eyeliner. I read a meta about his character and eyeliner and it does seem to be a thing. 1 Link to comment
RadioGirl27 October 8, 2014 Share October 8, 2014 If they go the Kai/Gerda route with Hook and Emma it makes sense for him to go back to the pirate outfit (if the pic is indeed new). And it fits with something Adam said in an interview, that Emma is going to fight for Hook this season (I'm on my phone so I can't find the link, it was a fan interview before the premiere). Oh, and yes, he looks incredibly hot in that pic. Link to comment
YaddaYadda October 8, 2014 Share October 8, 2014 I love his pirate garb, so I'm fine with it. If the Snow Queen (I hope they give her an actual name) is targeting Emma specifically, Hook is pretty much fair game at this point. She's already threatening him next week with those giant stalagmites she conjures up. 1 Link to comment
Rumsy4 October 8, 2014 Share October 8, 2014 Blue Fairy's coming back. I don't know what episode they're filming now. http://october-lady.tumblr.com/post/99414605406/look-whos-coming-back KCT referred to her character as Shady in her instagram. LMAO. 1 Link to comment
sharky October 8, 2014 Share October 8, 2014 KCT referred to her character as Shady in her instagram. LMAO. I totally noticed the Shady reference as well. Crazy fairy. As for the BTS photos, I think they also have the basic exterior of the diner laid out in the studio as well so it could be from an all-indoor shoot. I'll have to go back and really look at that picture of Colin -- like, reallllllly look at it -- to make sure there's nothing I may have missed in the background or something or whatever. 1 Link to comment
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