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I don't think there will be an engagement either -- the ring was just shipper bait with no follow-through on it. I think there would be a wedding if and only if they know like NOW the show isn't getting a seventh season. Eduardo Castro would need time to make a dress. (Assuming they don't just go with something off the rack since it'd be for Emma and not Regina, who gets bespoke.) And even if they knew now, it wouldn't be a given they'd have Emma & Hook get married in the end -- that would upset SQers and they can't have that.

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2 hours ago, Kktjones said:

I'm starting to wonder if this will even happen. I know we have the ring in the promo that may or may not be for Emma, and we have a spoiler of Hook asking David's permission to propose, but I am starting to think there may never be an engagement. If this is the final season I could see an impromptu wedding of some sort in the finale, but I just don't think this is the kind of show where two people get engaged and then there's wedding planning, then the wedding. If there is a season 7, maybe the engagement will happen during the finale, but I am still guessing they will never actually get engaged, they'll skip straight to the wedding if anything.

Seriously! I am a huge Hook fan, but I'm getting so tired of the same old storyline with him. Did he honestly survive all those centuries with absolutely no allies or friends? Guess A&E just needed to get one more shot at dragging his character through the mud b/c they didn't do enough damage last season... 

You mean pull a Rumbelle? Yeah I could see that happening. It's not like there needs to be much planning. Couple of people on the JR, Killian officiate it since he's captain, Emma shows up in a dress of Snows, done deal.

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I'm still really confused why Hook is going on this adventure by himself. I don't need Hook and Emma attached at the hip all the time, but if we're building up to an engagement in the finale, shouldn't they have one realm-hopping adventure alone together this season? If the writers were able to send Regina and Emma to two different realms away from the rest of the main cast this season (three if you include the Season 5 finale), couldn't they find a way to give one realm-hopping adventure episode to Emma and Hook? But even if it's not Emma accompanying Hook, why not send Snow? We could have finally gotten the first legitimate Hook/Snow team up in the show's entire history. Maybe they would have even spoken to each other for more than 2 minutes! Or why not Charming? Or Belle? Heck, even Zelena would be interesting. It just seems odd to isolate Hook for multiple episodes so close to the show's potential series finale.

Hook is going on the adventure alone because literally there's no one else. This is clearly a quest to save Emma, which he will do whatever it takes. Emma probably knows that he's gone on a quest. 

Anyway to answer your question there's no one else.

Charming/Snow - Cursed. Unless Ginny or Josh wanted a big episode break of sleeping for 4 episodes straight wasn't gonna happen.

Belle- Dealing with Gideon/Rumple drama

Henry- Too young

Regina- HAHAHAHAHAH

Zelena- Hates hook, but she's irrelevant so it doesn't matter.

This is the epic CS adventure they teased. True they're not both going on an adventure together but at it's core this quest is about CS.

"I would go to the end of the world for her, or time".  Nuff said.

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I don't think there will be an engagement either -- the ring was just shipper bait with no follow-through on it. I think there would be a wedding if and only if they know like NOW the show isn't getting a seventh season. Eduardo Castro would need time to make a dress. (Assuming they don't just go with something off the rack since it'd be for Emma and not Regina, who gets bespoke.) And even if they knew now, it wouldn't be a given they'd have Emma & Hook get married in the end -- that would upset SQers and they can't have that.

Clearly there's follow up cause we have episode 12. But you do you.

No they couldn't possibly give Emma one of Snow's old dresses to wear for her wedding? You know the something borrowed? He wouldn't need to make a dress, Emma could wear a simple dress as long as it was white. Did Belle have an extravagant outfit for her wedding to Rumple? No she did not.

I don't expect Emma will want an extravagant wedding either, it's not her.

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11 minutes ago, Hookian said:

This is the epic CS adventure they teased. True they're not both going on an adventure together but at it's core this quest is about CS.

Yeah that's not an epic CS adventure. That is a Hook adventure with guest stars. You're kind of missing the S part of CS there.

I'm not interested in watching that AT ALL.

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It cannot be called a CS adventure if CS isn't on it together. Full stop. That was a deliberately misleading statement from Adam to make CSers think that CS was going on an adventure together and so stop complaining to him about the finale and 6A. But it's clearly a Hook adventure with guest stars and a separate Emma adventure with everybody else. Plus how do we even know it's about CS? We don't. Maybe Hook is off looking for some magical McGuffin to break Snowing's curse. Pretty sure A&E wrote him out of the main Savior story to pander to the SQers who want Hook removed from the show. There's zero reason to separate CS, when they've barely had any scenes together all season, except that A&E wanted to. I'm sure you'll be able to cut everything Hook does out of the show and it won't affect the flow of the story. They're basically segregating Hook completely from the main story; he's interacting with nobody but guest stars on a pointless multi-episode arc completely removed from the rest of the show. He'll come back with some magical McGuffin that could've easily been written to be found in Gold's shop instead, except they wanted Hook out of the way. I won't be surprised if he's out of Storybrooke for the entire rest of the season. 

It's like the Snowing curse. Yeah, it's technically about Snowing, but Snowing fans are PISSED and have every right to be, because Snow and David can never be in scenes together. This is after the A&E BS of the "Year of Snowing" that similarly raised Snowing fans' hopes only to be sorely disappointed. Fans want to see their OTP in scenes together, not separated. Who cares what they're doing if they never get to have scenes together?

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It is not a CS adventure. Period

I really hope CS won't be happy with that  whatever it is as the cs adventure Adams talked about. 

He clairly mentioned romance, passion... So, Emma will be passionate with Gideon while Hook is romance tiger Lily? Love always begin on adverse side on this show.

 The final will be their double wedding to their new paramour on the Jolly.

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Passion= Hook's determination to save Emma and growing through the realms in order to save her from her fate. He's confronting his past at the same time.

Romance= Just the act in and of itself is romantic, and who knows what could happen with CS during the adventure. Snowing were separated all of S2 but they still felt each other they did interact in the burning red room as well. 

A CS scene does not need to have CS in order for it to be CS.

Hook and Charming's upcoming scene where he'll ask for his permission to marry Emma. 

When Tink told Hook all he did was for Emma.

When Emma told Regina in 3x17 that she trusts Hook and that's good with Henry. 

When Charming and Hook had the scene in 3x22 where Hook saids "I'd go to the end of the world for her or time"

You don't need to the two interacting in order for it to be positive for CS and there's plenty of other scenes like the ones listed.

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4 hours ago, Kktjones said:

I am a huge Hook fan, but I'm getting so tired of the same old storyline with him. Did he honestly survive all those centuries with absolutely no allies or friends?

In some fairness to the writers, the Nemo episode didn't exactly fit the pattern. The wrong he did to 2.0 in the name of revenge was in a different episode, and in the flashbacks to the Nemo episode, he didn't actually do anything other than escape his captors when things got ugly. Then he didn't really do anything to win 2.0 over in the present other than be someone Henry wanted to help, so 2.0 changed his mind about killing him. With 2.0 coming back, they might actually do something wacky and develop their reconciliation further than "gee, I guess you have changed, so now we're friends, but we'll never see each other again."

But didn't Adam mock someone from this forum because of a question about the same old story about Hook's past, missing the point entirely and joking that the story should maybe be about his future?

Why does everyone he have a past with seem to have had something to do with his revenge and come from that particular period in his life (I'm not counting "The Brothers Jones" as a Hook episode, since it was about people Liam wronged in the past)? Given the number of ways they've shown for people to avoid aging -- Neverland, sleeping curse, the Land of Untold Stories, the magic urn, etc. -- why doesn't he ever run into someone from his navy days who's surprised to see him as even a reformed pirate, someone he knew when he was sailing with Milah, someone he met as a child enslaved deckhand? Or maybe someone from when he was in his early pirate days and still figuring it out? Maybe there was someone he helped once, and he runs into that person in the present when he's having one of his self-loathing moments, reminding him that he's always been capable of being a good man. Or someone who screwed him over, which led to him developing one of his negative traits, and meeting that person again helps him rise above it. You could do lots of stories about his past without telling the same story over and over.

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It's either all gloom and doom or all polyanna in this forum these days! 

IMO, CS is not breaking up, and neither is this the "epic" CS adventure. It is what it is--a Hook centric. The CS adventure is most likely in the finale, if we get another season. 

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4 hours ago, Rumsy4 said:

It's either all gloom and doom or all polyanna in this forum these days! 

IMO, CS is not breaking up, and neither is this the "epic" CS adventure. It is what it is--a Hook centric. The CS adventure is most likely in the finale, if we get another season. 

I agree with you. My God if people say one more time that CS is breaking up, I'm gonna blow a gasket. I can't take that kind of nonsense honestly,lol. It's not going to happen, just chillax people.

I also don't think it's a Hook centric as the title suggests Snowing as does the casting of Young Charming.

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I agree that I this point the cs epic adventure will probably happen in the final and the last act will be the proposal or wedding (if not renew for another season everything will be more rush) 

And, no it won't be the CS movie part 2 probably more like a longer season 4 CS journey with a little more romance.

 That what make the most sense. For, now Hook and Emma have more individual arc. 

Not a bad thing usually but we got so little of them and I don't have a lot of faith in the writers to make their respective journey interesting or original.

hard to say if Hook will have a traditional centric but I do believe EP.17 will be heavy for snowing.

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15 hours ago, Hookian said:

I agree with you. My God if people say one more time that CS is breaking up, I'm gonna blow a gasket. I can't take that kind of nonsense honestly,lol. It's not going to happen, just chillax people.

Yeah, well--the extreme positivity is wearing too. ;-) We need a little bit of balance in viewpoints back in this forum, I think. It's swinging to extremes.

13 hours ago, maryle said:

And, no it won't be the CS movie part 2 probably more like a longer season 4 CS journey with a little more romance.

That's what I'm anticipating as well. We're never gonna get a full-blown CS movie Part 2 like the S3 finale.

13 hours ago, maryle said:

hard to say if Hook will have a traditional centric but I do believe EP.17 will be heavy for snowing.

He is having the princess/pirate adventure with Nemo and 2.0 thrown in.

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10 hours ago, KingOfHearts said:

Black knights invading a hovel... great, more Regina/Snow era flashbacks.

It's for episode 6x14. It snowed heavily when they were filming this episode. Probably a sign.

We have EQ in flashbacks, EQ in the present, as well as Regina. Should be a fun episode.

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On 1/20/2017 at 7:17 PM, maryle said:

The fact that I more certain that rumbelle will share a tlk  this season than CS will even have a meaty story line in the final ( maybe the series final, the rating will be tell) is a proof of all is wrong with this show.

If Rumple and Belle actually have a TLK (whether or not Killian and Emma have one) after all the crap he's pulled this season so far...I might blow a gasket.  ;)  Okay not really.  But I will probably throw up a little in my mouth.

On 1/20/2017 at 8:22 PM, Hookian said:

You mean pull a Rumbelle? Yeah I could see that happening. It's not like there needs to be much planning. Couple of people on the JR, Killian officiate it since he's captain, Emma shows up in a dress of Snows, done deal.

Hook is going on the adventure alone because literally there's no one else. This is clearly a quest to save Emma, which he will do whatever it takes. Emma probably knows that he's gone on a quest. 

I appreciate your positivism, I really do.  But...couple things: I don't think Killian can officiate and be a participant.   Pretty sure that's not how it works.  Of course, on this show, who knows? 

I can't remember from the spoilers if we know for certain that Emma is out of the wish realm when Killian goes on this adventure.  And if she is still in the wishverse, then how would she know that he's gone on this quest?  Or, even if she's off on some other adventure with Regina, how would she know?  Bottom line for me right now is: I have no confidence that Emma knows about Killian's quest.  

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1 hour ago, RulerofallIsurvey said:

If Rumple and Belle actually have a TLK (whether or not Killian and Emma have one) after all the crap he's pulled this season so far...I might blow a gasket.  ;)  Okay not really.  But I will probably throw up a little in my mouth.

I appreciate your positivism, I really do.  But...couple things: I don't think Killian can officiate and be a participant.   Pretty sure that's not how it works.  Of course, on this show, who knows? 

I can't remember from the spoilers if we know for certain that Emma is out of the wish realm when Killian goes on this adventure.  And if she is still in the wishverse, then how would she know that he's gone on this quest?  Or, even if she's off on some other adventure with Regina, how would she know?  Bottom line for me right now is: I have no confidence that Emma knows about Killian's quest.  

She's absolutely out of the wish realm because she is filming with the people in SB. She's out of the wishrealm half way through episode 11. Another indication that 11 was the true mid-season finale not the trash episode 10.

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2 hours ago, Serena said:

So do you guys think A&E will hire someone to write original songs or they will sing classic Disney stuff?

It would be cool if they brought Alan Menken over to do it (since they brought over the actress from Galavant already).

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3 minutes ago, Curio said:

A musical episode? Yep, this show is definitely getting cancelled.

Yeah. Reeks of desperation. A&E are throwing everything and the kitchen sink into the season.

That said, I would die for a CS duet.

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2 minutes ago, Curio said:

A musical episode? Yep, this show is definitely getting cancelled.

No it's not. A musical episode does not mean cancellation. It does however suggest the show is close to coming to an end. This is probably the last full season of OUAT.

Tons of shows have done musical episodes nowhere near cancellation time.

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1 minute ago, Rumsy4 said:

Yeah. Reeks of desperation. A&E are throwing everything and the kitchen sink into the season.

That sound you hear isn't the opening refrain..it's the sound of them scraping the bottom of the barrel......(there could be a very cruel joke in there about Jared singing but i am  not going to go there...).

'Buffy'  was able to pull off a musical show and without leads who were mostly non singers. OUaT may have been able to manage a passable storyline for a musical ep back in s1 or maybe s2 (especially with Emma's 1st trip to the EF)...but now...i am already cringing in 2ndhand embarrassment. 

I need to stop being so negative but I think I'm in a spiral...

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ok, I am interested ! it can be funny and campy and a good way for once. But, I  really hope it feature the main cast and not all this guest star that mostly interesting this year. Lets, our cast sing together and have fun with the audience. Could be the last time!

cs are better be together and have a duet!  But, it does sound a little desesperate. 

I totally believe Once are on its last legs and I hope they choose to do a last final season with most of the cast and not some strange gimmick who  very probably will not work. just look at sleepy hollow.

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Okay, so how does OUAT do a musical episode while also sticking to the show's canon and not making it super random? The only way I can see it working is if Emma is under a sleeping curse and her dream world (not the stupid Wish Realm) is one where everyone sings like Disney characters because that's what she grew up watching in her childhood. It wouldn't really make sense for any other character to think that way except Emma.

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4 minutes ago, Curio said:

Okay, so how does OUAT do a musical episode while also sticking to the show's canon and not making it super random? The only way I can see it working is if Emma is under a sleeping curse and her dream world (not the stupid Wish Realm) is one where everyone sings like Disney characters because that's what she grew up watching in her childhood. It wouldn't really make sense for any other character to think that way except Emma.

This makes the most sense. They should have made the Wish World a musical episode, as someone mentioned in a different thread. That might have saved it. 

6 minutes ago, TheGreenKnight said:

For a fairytale show with heavy Disney ties, a musical episode is scraping the bottom of the barrel, really? lol What will they come up with next.

The fact that they're doing this six seasons in when the ratings are plunging does spell out desperation, IMO. ONCE has never been a whimsical show--it's always taken itself seriously as though it was a drama. Even the ridiculous ideas about heroes and villains are presented seriously. 

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50 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

This makes the most sense. They should have made the Wish World a musical episode, as someone mentioned in a different thread. That might have saved it. 

The fact that they're doing this six seasons in when the ratings are plunging does spell out desperation, IMO. ONCE has never been a whimsical show--it's always taken itself seriously as though it was a drama. Even the ridiculous ideas about heroes and villains are presented seriously. 

They're just throwing everything they can

47 minutes ago, TheGreenKnight said:

Just like people also saw using Frozen as "desperation" even though the ratings weren't even bad then. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Sorta, Frozen definitely felt more controlled, the writers had more to do with the Snow Queen, but they were super cautious about the Frozen characters.  Frozen was more them jumping on the bandwagon, back when OuaT was doing better and around during Frozen's peak in popularity.

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I'm so hyped for a musical episode, to be honest. But this type of thing belonged back in S4, when they were making Disney musical references left and right. (Beauty in the Beast in 4x01, Ariel's song in 4x15, Cruella's in 4x18, etc.) It feels like the writers are doing this begrudgingly. A musical episode has been requested for a very long time and they've always said no until now.

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I'm super excited for a musical episode. I've been wanting one forever. I just hope they have the time to do it well. A dream world would make the most sense, or it could be like on Buffy, where a spell was cast that caused people to randomly break out in song and dance.

I wonder if them doing a musical episode now has something to do with the popularity of LaLa Land. They always seem to be jumping on a bandwagon of some kind.

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1 hour ago, KingOfHearts said:

I'm so hyped for a musical episode, to be honest. But this type of thing belonged back in S4, when they were making Disney musical references left and right. (Beauty in the Beast in 4x01, Ariel's song in 4x15, Cruella's in 4x18, etc.) It feels like the writers are doing this begrudgingly. A musical episode has been requested for a very long time and they've always said no until now.

They really burned themselves out on the fairy tale characters.

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You know, I was just thinking last night that it's odd that Jane Espenson hasn't written an ep for 6B so far. I would not be surprised if she's been writing the musical ep, since she has the Buffy experience.

Never mind, I forgot she co-wrote 6x12 with Jerome Schwartz.

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With her Galavant experience, I imagine they'll give Jasmine some singing opportunities.

While I'm super stoked for a musical episode, there are also a ton of ways TW;TW could screw it up epically. For starters, they'll probably give the non-singers in the cast the most singing opportunities, while the actual talented singers in the cast will only get short solos. I just hope there's a running gag that whenever Rumple is supposed to sing, he "nopes" out of there and comments on how stupid it all is. (I'm pretty sure Carlyle gave an interview in the past where he didn't seem very keen on a musical episode.) And I also need a bunch of Emma "REALLY?!" comments.

If the writers can come up with some awesome lyrics and give Charming and Hook an "Agony" type of duet, then great. But musical episodes are really hard to pull off. It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia just did a musical episode that was very divisive. I thought it was brilliant, but a lot of other fans online hated it.

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3 minutes ago, Stuffy said:

I guess this is why Jennifer started voice lessons again. I was wondering why she'd randomly start the lessons when she's stuck on Once. 

Oh, I didn't know she had! Did she mention it?

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I love the Buffy musical because not only were the songs absolutely brilliant and they had great singers (even the ones who weren't known for being singers) but they also played to their actors' strengths. Alyson Hannigan was clearly the weakest singer in the cast and she wasn't comfortable with it so they only gave her a few words to sing in the whole episode with them even mentioning in the episode how she was only singing a little filler part in one song. The actress who played Dawn was a good dancer so they only gave her a few lines to sing and then gave her a big dance number to do. So if they play to the strengths of the actors then it could be good.

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2 minutes ago, Souris said:

Oh, I didn't know she had! Did she mention it?

And I'll add, when did she mention it?

Because the thing that scares me most about musical episodes is how much prep time and outside help it takes.  Its odd to not have heard anything about it until now.  Flash/Supergirl has been talking about theirs for a while already.

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5 minutes ago, ParadoxLost said:

And I'll add, when did she mention it?

Because the thing that scares me most about musical episodes is how much prep time and outside help it takes.  Its odd to not have heard anything about it until now.  Flash/Supergirl has been talking about theirs for a while already.

Was just told that apparently Jen mentioned it in context of working on some music with her sister. Now I vaguely remember that. Maybe Julia will help with the music or something.

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13 minutes ago, ParadoxLost said:

A musical episode has the feel of something they'd save for the finale, be it the season or series.

What episode are they filming now anyway?

That's why I mentioned a cancellation seems more and more likely. It always seemed like A&E kept pushing off a musical episode until the final season, and if they've caught wind that they're most likely getting the axe, then they're probably scrambling to fit this in just in case they don't get renewed.

I think they're filming Episode 17 now? Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

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13 minutes ago, Curio said:

I think they're filming Episode 17 now? Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I believe they just started 17 or are about to. Adam usually posts the title when it starts filming or is about to. He posted the 17 title on Wednesday.

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Would they have original songs composed, or would they just use Disney songs?  Because it wouldn't shock me at all if the characters burst into songs from their respective cartoon musical.

It would either be completely unrelated to whatever passes for the episode's plot, or the plot would be twisted so that whatever Disney song they were singing made a vague sort of sense.

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