Current Plots Discussion: Actually Today's Episode

[teacake]

On 11/12/2017 at 1:28 PM, Sandman said:

How so? I agree that the writing of the story is shoddy, but I'm not convinced it could have been redeemed in the performance. I also agree that, at least at times, Lastovic showed some believable anguish and guilt -- but a lot of the time he was so low-key as to be almost absent.

Yeah, the material has been bad, but I'm setting the bar a lot lower than redeeming it single-handedly.  I thought LA brought some energy to the creepazoid material and leaned into that, but he was pretty flat in the aftermath, and didn't do much to show layers or bridge the different versions of his character.

 

4 hours ago, Silver Raven said:

I think I'm glad now that Carlavati blocked me on Twitter.

LOL.  He blocked me during the Sabrina stories on GH, and I agree.  The dynamic he creates on social media is kind of gross.

Edited November 15, 2017 by lska

[katie9918]

Far too much EJ talk going on. For that reason alone, Carlivati’s a bust in my eyes.

[Black Knight]

8 hours ago, TigerLynx said:

I'm glad Sami punched Susan.  I know the writers have changed Susan's personality, but I am so tired of people judging Sami because she has twins with different fathers.  The reason Sami has twins with different fathers is because EJ raped Sami.

Amen. I see this come up a number of times and I hate it so much - if a woman has sex with her partner and then is raped, somehow the revelation that she'd had sex with her partner and then was raped is seen as promiscuity on her part, and further is perceived as damaging to her case against the rapist. She was raped! She didn't consent to the second partner! She didn't know when she slept with her partner that she was going to be raped later! Aargghh!

6 hours ago, bantering said:

What happened to the other guy that Sonny was with? (I forgot his name -- he slept with the previous version of Will).

That other guy is Paul, Sonny's current fiancé, although presumably not for much longer. Paul and Sonny were together first, then Paul slept with Will not knowing that Will is Sonny's husband, and then Paul and Sonny got back together after Will's "death."

[bannana]

2 hours ago, ByaNose said:

How do they keep a straight face with ED as Susan Banks? I think ED is amazing how she makes Susan so real and not just a goofy character.

As a viewer that has never seen Susan, I have to disagree. This character is completely unbelievable to me, really a joke. I cannot believe that Susan is a character that anyone can embrace or believe or like.  It really takes me out of the story.  I did like when Sami punched her, because IMO she is hateful and deserved it.  I don't get this Susan character and why she would be so hateful as to make Will believe he is EJ, meaning he "had children with is his own mother".   She seems despicable to me. 

[jaylee-03031]

Okay, so I am going to get my irritations out the way first.

1) I am so tired of Sami  hitting and manhandling people all the time.  She is a grown woman who needs to keep her hands to herself.  I know her emotions are all over the place but she is always hitting or pushing/manhandling someone around when she is on the show and it gets on my nerves. 

2)Rafe can shut up now.  He has no business interrogating Susan without  any Memphis police officers around and  both he and Sami should call the Memphis police and handle it.  Badgering Susan isn't getting anywhere and both badgering her and Sami hitting her could hurt any case against Susan.  I hope Sami gets arrested for assault.

3) Sonny had no business barging into Will's house.  That is breaking and entering - didn't they learn anything from the last time they barged into that house?  You don't enter someone's house without their permission.

4) Everyone ganging up on Will and insisting he is Will was upsetting and scaring him but they kept pushing him and practically verbally attacking him and the woman he sees as his woman.  That is not the way to help someone who has lost their memory.  I know Sami and Sonny are emotional but ease up a little on Will.  The poor guy looked scared and angry by the end before he stormed off.

Other then that, I enjoyed the show.  I cried when Lani and Abe were talking to Theo, especially when Abe was getting all choked up and begging him not to leave them.  Claire and Tripp were sweet in their scenes and I loved that she got to see Theo and that Tripp was able to support her.

It is hard to tell if JJ is upset because his facial expression looks like he's constipated.  Who knows maybe he is, lol.  Does Abe know that JJ got suspended for about five minutes for pulling a gun on a handcuffed Ben?

Glad Hope suspended him now and hopefully it is for more than five minutes this time. 

I feel sorry for Will having all these strangers in his face scaring him but Chandler Massey is really selling it.  He's a very good actor.

[annabel]

I was not watching regularly during the original Kristen/Susan/etc. storyline but it always seemed farfetched and over-the-top in not a good way to me. also, full disclosure, I am not an ED fan at all, I did not like her on Y&R, and though it was not her fault she was horribly miscast as Kelly Capwell on SB, I did not like her on that either.

[Apprentice79]

10 minutes ago, annabel said:

I was not watching regularly during the original Kristen/Susan/etc. storyline but it always seemed farfetched and over-the-top in not a good way to me. also, full disclosure, I am not an ED fan at all, I did not like her on Y&R, and though it was not her fault she was horribly miscast as Kelly Capwell on SB, I did not like her on that either.

It was farfetched, but, to enjoy most of JER's stories, you have to suspend disbelief.  This is the writer that had Marlena possessed by the devil. I was not the biggest JER fan, but, I did enjoy the original Kristen/Susan story...

Edited November 15, 2017 by Apprentice79

[Black Knight]

The original Kristen/Susan story is one of my all-time favorites. I found it absolutely hilarious. Not at all believable, but hilarious. To this day I still giggle when I think about Susan and John's wedding, capped off by Laura crashing the wedding and shaking Susan until her teeth flew out and landed in Vivian's glass. But yeah, I think that to be able to even tolerate this current version of Susan, one would need to have a ton of nostalgia from not only watching but enjoying the original storyline.

[MsTree]

Is it possible that Rolf "injected" EJ's personality into Will?  This would make Susan's claim that Will is dead to be true. IOW, Will's body is alive, but his mind is that of her beloved son, EJ.

[DisneyBoy]

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I am hope hope hope that this is really Kristen pretending to be Susan.

I'm starting to lean that way too. The storyline is just too crazy otherwise and really throws Susan under the bus. I could get her being grief-stricken over EJ and wanting to torture Sami about it, but I don't see her leaving Edmond, or hooking up with Rolfe or resurrecting Will or calling him EJ... it's too demented.

... of course on the other hand, I don't see how Kristen, fresh out of falling from a cliffside castle to her near death, would go to Memphis and disguise herself as Susan to resurrect Will and play house over the course of presumably months. She totally hated having to pretend to be Susan back in the 90s. And I don't remember Kristen really giving a damn about Will at all.

The bottom line is, one of the two characters I love most on this show is getting thrown under the bus for a narrative that isn't even all that entertaining. Chandler isn't really showing us a character is he? His EJ Persona is so nondescript. Freddie thankfully is about half awake now, but still most of his lines feel perfunctory. Allison isn't at her best but she is still heads and tails above everyone else. Eileen's doing okay, but there were a few moments where I thought I saw Kristen peeking through Susan's face. If that isn't intentional then maybe Eileen is having trouble slipping back into character. She used to be so good at playing Susan in that you didn't see any Kristen in her at all.

As much as you guys were put off by Sami being called a whore - which I agree with - I was equally aghast to hear Susan declare that her son isn't "a homosexual". That's a really ugly new shade on the character (if she is in fact Susan) that Ron is giving us. I get that she's supposed to be from the south and all, but does that mean Susan for all of these years has been homophobic? I don't see it. She's a soft hearted person.

Ain't it funny how the guy who actually is responsible for EJ's death, Clyde, has appeared on the show recently and yet isn't the focus of Susan's wrath?

If Rafe was smart, he'd call Violet and Edmund Crumb in the UK to check out "Susan's" story.

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I'm already aggravated by this whole stupid "JJ shoots Theo" storyline

Ditto. It's just a lot of angst and anguish and tears over nothing. I really can't blame JJ too much for this and I don't see him as some macho, over-aggressive, too eager to prove himself cop who needs to learn a lesson. At least if they had tried to develop that as his character for while I could buy it now. This doesn't feel like a black lives matter thing either, since there's apparently no such thing as racism in Salem. It doesn't seem like a DiMera related storyline either, or an autism one, so it feels random and pointless. Kind of like that whole virus storyline they did after Yo Ling killed himself. I bet in two or three months it's completely forgotten.

Galen really seems different around Allison Sweeney doesn't he? Those two still have chemistry.

Edited November 15, 2017 by DisneyBoy

[JBC344]

1 hour ago, MsTree said:

Is it possible that Rolf "injected" EJ's personality into Will?  This would make Susan's claim that Will is dead to be true. IOW, Will's body is alive, but his mind is that of her beloved son, EJ.

This is where I thought that Susan was getting at when she kept saying he isn't Will.

I think Susan's "homosexual"comment was just her trying to sell Will as EJ. I don't think she has an issue with gay people. 

[SanDiegoInExile]

19 hours ago, nilyank said:

I just don't buy the motivation behind Susan's action. .................Will is the grandson of her favorite friend Marlena and Susan knows what it feels to lose a son. Sami is EJ's widow and is raising his children, Susan's grandchildren. It would be more  logical for Susan to go after the little children than Will who is norhing like EJ.

One theory bouncing around is that Susan Banks has merely gone over the edge and that will be the rationale for her actions.  It makes more logical than just *evil*.  The loss of her son pushed her over the edge and Rolf stepped in under orders from Stefano before Hope killed him. Doesn't make much sense since Stefano somewhat adored Will, though Stefano may have wanted Samanther and Marlena to suffer once again.  I think this is a plausible way they will go, with Susan's surviving siblings (Thomas and Mary Moira) stepping in to put pieces of the puzzle together (with Marlena) to ultimately put Susan into some type of treatment center.  Seems pretty boring.

I had been thinking that *susan* was actually Kristen in disguise, but then everything makes even less sense.  Kristen wouldn't get anything by "hiding" Will and training him to be "Elvis", especially since DNA would be so easily prove the truth.  I still do think that we will get some type of Kristen appearance in this storyline, though I suspect she own't be part of the key scenes/developments and instead just provide us some teaser that she didn't die when Marlena awkwardly shoved her through the villa window and onto the rocks below.

All speculation, no inside scoop.....

[buffynut]

6 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

She's a soft hearted person.

That's how I remember Susan from the little bit I was watching back when she first appeared.  This current version seems totally different.

I only watched Y&R occasionally, and mostly back when Christine was "Cricket", but I know and liked Ashley, and still find it hard to believe both Susan and Ashley are played by the same actor.   Not to mention Kristen, too.  So for that, I have to give Eileen Davidson praise.

[swtrgrl]

I watched the entire episode yesterday and didn't ffwd once. That's the first time in years.

I think FINALLY they're giving some material to Sal and she is killing it. I think she's doing a great job now that she has something with which to work. She and Casey were great yesterday. Hell, even the actress who plays Clair didn't completely suck (only a little). I want to see the dilema Chad is going to be in between the Hortons and the Carvers and the Dimeras b/c of this. Kate is going to be in trouble.

I don't think Ron is making Will straight, guys. Chill for a second. I think that Susan has told him homosexuality is wrong and that he's her son, EJ who was married to Evil Sami, etc... He's feeling things. You can already tell by how he reacted to all of that. I think there are bigger fish to fry in this story first.

I don't understand Susan's end game here. I mean, it's super easy to show Will pictures and videos and newspaper articles, etc... before you even get into the DNA thing. he's going to hate her at some point.

Edited November 15, 2017 by swtrgrl

[FnkyChkn34]

47 minutes ago, swtrgrl said:

I don't understand Susan's end game here. I mean, it's super easy to show Will pictures and videos and newspaper articles, etc... before you even get into the DNA thing. he's going to hate her at some point.

IMO, Susan isn't smart enough to realize all of that.  So she probably doesn't even have an end game, or thought through her scheme in the first place.

[enchantingmonkey]

4 hours ago, swtrgrl said:

I don't understand Susan's end game here. I mean, it's super easy to show Will pictures and videos and newspaper articles, etc... before you even get into the DNA thing. he's going to hate her at some point.

Susan couldn't have predicted that Rolf would tell Clyde, Clyde would tell Ben, and Ben would break out of prison and tell someone in Salem.  She probably thought that if they lived a quiet, simple life in Memphis that no one would find them.  Alaska would have been a better place to live, though.  

If Susan is actually Kristin in disguise, I guess it would make sense that she got tired of this charade and told Rolf to spill the beans and get the ball rolling.   

[TeeVee329]

4 hours ago, swtrgrl said:

I don't think Ron is making Will straight, guys. Chill for a second. I think that Susan has told him homosexuality is wrong and that he's her son, EJ who was married to Evil Sami, etc... He's feeling things. You can already tell by how he reacted to all of that. I think there are bigger fish to fry in this story first.

Agreed.  It sounds like Will's entire world for the past two years or so has been Susan and what she's drummed into his head.  I wouldn't be surprised if we hear he's had thought about/attractions to men, etc., but he pushed them out of his head because they conflicted with what Susan had told him.

That said, I am still a little sad Amnesia Will didn't have a boyfriend, that would have added another messy, soapy layer and it's a pretty standard soap trope as well.

[Apprentice79]

5 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

Agreed.  It sounds like Will's entire world for the past two years or so has been Susan and what she's drummed into his head.  I wouldn't be surprised if we hear he's had thought about/attractions to men, etc., but he pushed them out of his head because they conflicted with what Susan had told him.

That said, I am still a little sad Amnesia Will didn't have a boyfriend, that would have added another messy, soapy layer and it's a pretty standard soap trope as well.

Plus, Will has had history with women. It would not be farfetched for him to go back to women due to Susan's influence. Plus, this is Days, Marlena was possessed by the devil. So, anything goes...

Edited November 15, 2017 by Apprentice79

[kitmerlot1213]

Man, today's episode was rather brutal, but in a good way.  I liked how Abe's anger did not wilt in the face of Jenn's  teary eyed sympathy--I don't doubt that she feels horrible for what happened to Theo, but Abe was right in calling her out for wanting absolution for JJ.  DAMN!!

Maybe I'm just remembering Matt Dillon's superb line delivery from The Outsiders, but Lani's painfully over-wrought, "Do it for Theo, Dad," in no way matched "We're doing it for Johnny man, we;re doing it for Johnny!"  :):)

I can't believe I'm about to post this but I feel bad for Andre--this is the second time Chad's accused him of hurting Theo and seriously Chad, did you not see Kate's quietly freaking out at the news?

I thought Claire did a good job with showing her delayed reaction to the shock and I loved how Tripp didn't hesitate to comfort her--good man.  And did Claire actually call Hope "Grandma?"  That'd right show, they are related :):)

[swtrgrl]

I actually can't wait to get home and watch this. I can't remember when the last time I said that was. Jeez. 

[Silver Raven]

I hate to admit it, but Missy Reeves is killing it. They all are, especially Casey Moss and James Reynolds.

I really hope Kate comes clean.

A really excellent show all around.

[buffynut]

Another good episode. I watched live and couldn't wait for the commercials to be over so we'd get back to the show.

Days is so much better when they focus on the core families and their connections.  

I also like that there's 2 big stories going on right now, so when they take a break from one, it's not a boring episode.

[DisneyBoy]

I'm not too excited to catch today's sob-fest. Maybe I'm just getting cold inside LOL.

 

You know, now that I think about it I always felt a little bit robbed that we never got to see Susan raising EJ. So in a weird way I guess I should feel fulfilled by the current storyline...

[Star Aristille]

James and Melissa win the MVP awards for this episode, IMO.  Abe's restrained, then blatant, rage and Jennifer's devastation both for J.J. and for her family's bond with the Carvers were both incredibly heartbreaking.

Sal Stowers really did step it up today.  Up until now, I'd thought she was subpar, at worst, and average, at best.  But she nailed it today.  I just hope she can keep it up.

Lauren killed it with Kate's shock over Theo being shot.  I hope she also keeps it up going forward.

Casey broke my heart with his quiet devastation over Theo.  I hope J.J. can come back for this.

The entire episode focused on and around Theo's shooting.  This is a true ripple effect I see occurring.  I'm very happy to see this continue unfolding.

[JBC344]

8 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

Agreed.  It sounds like Will's entire world for the past two years or so has been Susan and what she's drummed into his head.  I wouldn't be surprised if we hear he's had thought about/attractions to men, etc., but he pushed them out of his head because they conflicted with what Susan had told him.

That said, I am still a little sad Amnesia Will didn't have a boyfriend, that would have added another messy, soapy layer and it's a pretty standard soap trope as well.

Same here.  I was really hoping we would get an amnesiac Will living happily with a new hot boyfriend.  One that would come back to Salem with him and make the triangle a quad.  This is very much falling in line with the Hope as Gina storyline with a little twist.  Gina was a great character, but very different from Hope, and one that wasn't compatible with Bo at all.  Maybe we will get that with amnesiac Will.  The person he is now even if he doesn't believe he is EJ anymore doesn't mean he will just fall in line and want Sonny back, especially if he doesn't have his memories.

[Apprentice79]

27 minutes ago, JBC344 said:

Same here.  I was really hoping we would get an amnesiac Will living happily with a new hot boyfriend.  One that would come back to Salem with him and make the triangle a quad.  This is very much falling in line with the Hope as Gina storyline with a little twist.  Gina was a great character, but very different from Hope, and one that wasn't compatible with Bo at all.  Maybe we will get that with amnesiac Will.  The person he is now even if he doesn't believe he is EJ anymore doesn't mean he will just fall in line and want Sonny back, especially if he doesn't have his memories.

Gina was Hope. How was she not compatible with Bo? Even as Gina, there were signs and clues that she was Hope. Especially, when it came to Shawn-Douglas. She felt that pull towards him. She wanted to mother him, but, could not. When he got hurt, like any mother, she spent the night with him at the hospital, making sure he was fine. It irritated Billie, who was very territorial with Shawn-Douglas. Not even Carly was that way and she saved his life.

[Frozendiva]

Good episode today. Abe was a police officer and the Commissioner, so he should have some idea of what it is like to shoot someone with a police weapon in a murky circumstance. Yes, he has a right to be enraged, but he has also been on the other side of the coin. Will Theo being shot permanently affect his relationship with the Hortons? Probably not.

JJ is being real, as is Jennifer. This will probably affect Salem and its families for a long time to come.

I hope someone takes Theo's phone and sees that Kate has been calling him and leaving messages - implicating her involvement. 

[Star Aristille]

9 minutes ago, Frozendiva said:

I hope someone takes Theo's phone and sees that Kate has been calling him and leaving messages - implicating her involvement. 

Tripp is already figuring that out, as indicated through flashbacks he's had of him walking in on her and Theo talking.

Speaking of whom, I'm a bit surprised that, given what happened with Kayla, Hope didn't give him a total stink-eye when she saw him with Claire today.

[Frozendiva]

3 minutes ago, Star Aristille said:

Tripp is already figuring that out, as indicated through flashbacks he's had of him walking in on her and Theo talking.

Speaking of whom, I'm a bit surprised that, given what happened with Kayla, Hope didn't give him a total stink-eye when she saw him with Claire today.

Hope was busy with other stuff.  Tripp may not be the best person to be around Claire, but at least he was there for her and genuinely seemed interested and wanting to help.

[JBC344]

1 hour ago, Apprentice79 said:

Gina was Hope. How was she not compatible with Bo? Even as Gina, there were signs and clues that she was Hope. Especially, when it came to Shawn-Douglas. She felt that pull towards him. She wanted to mother him, but, could not. When he got hurt, like any mother, she spent the night with him at the hospital, making sure he was fine. It irritated Billie, who was very territorial with Shawn-Douglas. Not even Carly was that way and she saved his life.

Gina had a completely different personality than Hope.  Even though she was Hope, and everyone most likely knew that she would be proven to be Hope that didn't change the fact that she didn't have her memories.  Gina wasn't compatible with Bo because she wasn't the same person that Hope "was".  That to me is what made the triangle the most interesting is that even though Bo knew she was probably Hope he didn't rush and dump Billie for her because to him she wasn't the same person.  People aren't necessarily interchangeable no matter how much they "look" alike. 

I used this example before but say Jennifer fell down a flight of stairs and woke up with Kate's personality that doesn't mean that Eric will automatically still want to pursue a relationship with her.  Why? Because even though she is still Jennifer she isn't necessarily the person that attracted him to her.

I bring that up only to mention the parallels to Will's current situation.  No amount of yelling or pleading with amnesiac Will is going to make him just flip a switch and run into Sami and Sunny's arms.  Even if amnesiac Will realizes the truth about himself that is no guarantee that he will have his memories or that he will want the same things he did two years ago.  He may come to terms that he is Will Horton and agree to come back to Salem but without his memories all is fair game.  Like I mentioned earlier amnesiac Will may decide that he likes Paul better than Sonny. 

[teacake]

1 hour ago, Star Aristille said:

Tripp is already figuring that out, as indicated through flashbacks he's had of him walking in on her and Theo talking.

Speaking of whom, I'm a bit surprised that, given what happened with Kayla, Hope didn't give him a total stink-eye when she saw him with Claire today.

Unless I missed something -- which given how much I've been watching is totally possible -- Hope doesn't know what Tripp did to Kayla.  They talked at Abby's bachelorette party, but it was just about how Kayla should tell Steve that she was angry about Tripp and Joey.  (Which she never did).

[annabel]

Why should Tripp hand over Theo's phone to Kate? I hope he says "why should I?" and her complicity in all this comes out

[Rowan]

I get Abe's is devastated and reacting emotionally, but "I don't give a damn about JJ's side of the story" is kinda not something I'd expect from a dude who spent his whole career in law enforcement. 

It's huge clusterfuck, but Theo owns more than a little a responsibility in it. 

Sal Stowers is finding her way in this. Good for her. 

Kate, you are so screwed. I hope Abe eats you alive for your part in it. 

Edited November 16, 2017 by Rowan

[buffynut]

6 hours ago, annabel said:

Why should Tripp hand over Theo's phone to Kate? I hope he says "why should I?" and her complicity in all this comes out

If Tripp says "why should I", Kate will probably reply "if you don't, I'll tell the board you tried to kill Kayla and she covered it up".  I presume that Kate "did" overhear that tidbit from the Kayla/Steve conversation she eavesdropped on last week.

 

5 hours ago, Rowan said:

I get Abe's is devastated and reacting emotionally, but "I don't give a damn about JJ's side of the story" is kinda not something I'd expect from a dude who spent his whole career in law enforcement.  

I've had the same thought.  I know he's acting on emotion, but for a former cop/commissioner and current town mayor, I'm surprised at the extent he's allowing himself to lose his composure. I actually expected Lani to react worse, and that this would break up her and JJ, but I'm not sure if that will happen or not.  

[kitmerlot1213]

Everyone did such a great job today!  I especially loved the tense conversation between Kate and Tripp--Tripp is torn between being genuinely horrified that Kate wants to cover up what she knows about Theo's shooting, to realizing that he has to protect Kayla from getting into trouble because she covered for him.  Damn, what a gorgeously twisted, guilt-ridden scene.  We also know that Tripp's feeling for Claire are also intertwined with his angst which makes the emotional scenes ever more fraught.  And Kate truly is an awful, soulless human being.  She's gotten away with a multitude of crimes, but she better not skate on this one.

The Eric/Jenn and Abby/JJ conversations were also filled with pain and angst and all of the actors brought their A game and I'm especially impressed by MR and CM--truly gut-wrenching work,

Abe is full of rage because of what happened to Theo but he is way too quick to blame the DiMeras and wash any blame off of his son--what is going to happen when he finds out that Theo really did break into that warehouse?

I think the actress playing Lani is trying which is more then she was doing before but now it feels like she's trying too hard--her every line reading feels too over the top now.

[swtrgrl]

11 hours ago, Rowan said:

I get Abe's is devastated and reacting emotionally, but "I don't give a damn about JJ's side of the story" is kinda not something I'd expect from a dude who spent his whole career in law enforcement. 

It's huge clusterfuck, but Theo owns more than a little a responsibility in it. 

Sal Stowers is finding her way in this. Good for her. 

 

I understand Abe's rage. No matter what your profession, if it's someone you know and love? All bets are off. Emotion takes over and you just feel what you feel.

I don't want to debate BLM here really but...Theo doing something wrong to warrant being shot? No. JJ didn't have to shoot, necessarily. That's the whole point of BLM. Supposed thug in a hoodie = shot. White dude shoots up a movie theater/church/school? They buy him lunch as they escort him to the police station unharmed.

Theo didn't drop what was in his hand b/c he wasn't asked to, specifically. He's autistic and it's been clearly stated for years (and by JJ post shooting) that he's very literal. If JJ had said, "drop what's in your hand," he would have. In the moment, JJ did as he was trained to do. But should the training include more sensitivity? Don't know. In this instance, JJ wasn't wrong. It's unfortunate, though. 

Sal is killing her scenes. She just needed a story.

1 minute ago, kitmerlot1213 said:

Abe is full of rage because of what happened to Theo but he is way too quick to blame the DiMeras and wash any blame off of his son--what is going to happen when he finds out that Theo really did break into that warehouse?

 

He'll still blame the Dimeras....and in this case? He'd be right to do so. This is all Kate and Dimera Enterprises drama.

[kitmerlot1213]

44 minutes ago, swtrgrl said:

He'll still blame the Dimeras....and in this case? He'd be right to do so. This is all Kate and Dimera Enterprises drama.

Yes, this is a DiMera drama but Theo chose to break into the warehouse, convinced that he could bypass the alarm.  Is Theo blameless in the shooting?  He didn't think he was doing anything wrong because he wasn't trying to steal anything but he still committed a crime by breaking and entering-- is he not accountable for his actions?

[buffynut]

Another intense episode.  I'm impressed with how Ron has intertwined the families and characters into the Theo story.  Right to Eric showing to comfort Jennifer.

Kate is the one coming off the worst. She should never have involved Theo in the shady side of Dimera business.   She's worse than Andre, right now. 

I guess tomorrow will be back to Memphis? (just assuming, still avoiding spoilers)

[Apprentice79]

16 hours ago, JBC344 said:

Gina had a completely different personality than Hope.  Even though she was Hope, and everyone most likely knew that she would be proven to be Hope that didn't change the fact that she didn't have her memories.  Gina wasn't compatible with Bo because she wasn't the same person that Hope "was".  That to me is what made the triangle the most interesting is that even though Bo knew she was probably Hope he didn't rush and dump Billie for her because to him she wasn't the same person.  People aren't necessarily interchangeable no matter how much they "look" alike. 

I used this example before but say Jennifer fell down a flight of stairs and woke up with Kate's personality that doesn't mean that Eric will automatically still want to pursue a relationship with her.  Why? Because even though she is still Jennifer she isn't necessarily the person that attracted him to her.

I bring that up only to mention the parallels to Will's current situation.  No amount of yelling or pleading with amnesiac Will is going to make him just flip a switch and run into Sami and Sunny's arms.  Even if amnesiac Will realizes the truth about himself that is no guarantee that he will have his memories or that he will want the same things he did two years ago.  He may come to terms that he is Will Horton and agree to come back to Salem but without his memories all is fair game.  Like I mentioned earlier amnesiac Will may decide that he likes Paul better than Sonny. 

I see your point. It was still annoying that Bo treated Gina like a nuisance and was constantly pacifying Billie.  He was not curious about Gina at all. Perhaps, it was because it was Faux Bo and hr did not have that history with Hope. It probably would have been different with Peter in the role..

Based on Chandler's interview, I think that Wilson will be endgame. He said that Wilson has the history that Paulson does not and that he is rooting for Wilson to reunite.

Edited November 16, 2017 by Apprentice79

[Rowan]

1 hour ago, kitmerlot1213 said:

Yes, this is a DiMera drama but Theo chose to break into the warehouse, convinced that he could bypass the alarm.  Is Theo blameless in the shooting?  He didn't think he was doing anything wrong because he wasn't trying to steal anything but he still committed a crime by breaking and entering-- is he not accountable for his actions?

I guess Theo's autism casts his accountability into even murkier waters, but I don't think he is completely without responsibility in this mess. 

So, JJ thinks he saw Theo's face as he was pulling the trigger or a split second before he pulled the trigger? I guess JJ going all hothead cop on Ben was to help setup the idea that JJ doesn't have the ideal temperament to be a levelheaded police officer.

Abe can't tell Lani's grown ass to stay away from the man she is in love with. Also, would a polite "you did the best you could" and an arm pat for Valerie, the woman you love, be asking to much? She did spend her night trying to save his life. 

I know he is under some extreme emotional duress, but that's the first time, I was like, "c'mon, man." I do think people need to give him some space. He's obviously in no mental or emotional state to be having conversations about blame. Just let him be for right now. 

[Star Aristille]

1 hour ago, Rowan said:

Abe can't tell Lani's grown ass to stay away from the man she is in love with. Also, would a polite "you did the best you could" and an arm pat for Valerie, the woman you love, be asking to much? She did spend her night trying to save his life. 

I know he is under some extreme emotional duress, but that's the first time, I was like, "c'mon, man." I do think people need to give him some space. He's obviously in no mental or emotional state to be having conversations about blame. Just let him be for right now. 

Abe really needed to shut up in that moment.  If Lani wants to go near J.J., she can.  And yes, the way he brushed off Valerie was heartless and cold.

That said, yes, I am going to give him a pass for now.  But after all the shock sets in and runs out, the pass will be gone.

So Kate successfully blackmailed Tripp to cover her own ass.  I hope she feels proud of herself for caring about herself and her safety first and foremost.  I like Kate, but she really needs to get caught for this.

The Deveraux family scenes were nice, and I especially like J.J. and Abigail's scenes, as well as Eric and Jennifer's.

I hope everything works out for Theo.  And I also hope that this story isn't skipped tomorrow.

[Silver Raven]

Come on, Tripp, don't let Kate bully you. Dammit.

Abe needs to bring it down several notches.

Everybody probably disagrees with me, but I think Tripp and Claire have chemistry.

Oh, Valerie, no.

Does Kate know that Will is alive yet?

[Frozendiva]

Abe, once your emotions settle down and you get some space, calm down. You have been in law enforcement for most of your life. Sometimes cops do shoot and injure 'innocent' people. Theo did have responsibility for his actions. He could have chosen to go with someone instead of going alone. A back-up, a lookout, whatever.

Tripp, hopefully you looked at Theo's phone and snapped some screenshots of his texts before giving it to Kate. Someone with phone forensics could probably resurrect some of the calls.

Abe, at least show some compassion and kindness toward Lani and Valerie. Lani is a grown-up woman who can make her own life choices. Butt out.

The Deveraux scenes were well-done.

[annabel]

It's no secret that I do not like Kate at all, and her behavior today was just loathsome. somehow I do not think that just deleting voicemails and messages from a phone magically erases them from ever having existed. I hope she goes down hard for all of this.

[Star Aristille]

6 minutes ago, annabel said:

It's no secret that I do not like Kate at all, and her behavior today was just loathsome. somehow I do not think that just deleting voicemails and messages from a phone magically erases them from ever having existed. I hope she goes down hard for all of this.

It doesn't.  The police can subpoena the phone provider or company to bring them up.  They always keep copies of texts and voicemails.  Something Tripp's lucky he didn't bring up, because Kate could have them erased, too.

[MsTree]

8 hours ago, Silver Raven said:

 

Everybody probably disagrees with me, but I think Tripp and Claire have chemistry.

 

Don't disagree at all. I think they'd be good together.

[tawny411]

I wonder if they'll bring up that years ago Abe shot Brady and he was paralyzed for a time. John forgave Abe. 

[buffynut]

7 hours ago, annabel said:

somehow I do not think that just deleting voicemails and messages from a phone magically erases them from ever having existed. I hope she goes down hard for all of this.

It did seem as though she deleted "all" messages and voicemails, not just the ones she sent. So that should be a red flag when they check Theo's phone. 

[swtrgrl]

17 hours ago, kitmerlot1213 said:

Yes, this is a DiMera drama but Theo chose to break into the warehouse, convinced that he could bypass the alarm.  Is Theo blameless in the shooting?  He didn't think he was doing anything wrong because he wasn't trying to steal anything but he still committed a crime by breaking and entering-- is he not accountable for his actions?

Not to the point of being shot, no. But should he be charged with a crime? Yes.

13 hours ago, Silver Raven said:

Does Kate know that Will is alive yet?

No one in Salem does yet, I don't think. I think it's all the same day right now.

[kitmerlot1213]

6 hours ago, MsTree said:

Don't disagree at all. I think they'd be good together.

I also love Tripp and Claire--I think they are adorable together and bring out the best in each other.

 

1 hour ago, swtrgrl said:

Not to the point of being shot, no. But should he be charged with a crime? Yes.

I don't think Theo deserved to be shot either but from the way Abe's talking, you'd think Theo was ten seconds from being anointed a saint.  It's going to be a wake up call for Abe when he learns that Theo actually committed a crime.

Edited November 17, 2017 by kitmerlot1213