Current Plots Discussion: Actually Today's Episode

[buffynut]

peachmangosteen: JJ was suspended without pay, not fired. Sonny realized Will's body needs to be exhumed to do DNA testing. Chad & Abby were pronounced married and Jennifer and Andre blew bubbles out of a bubble machine gadget.

Another good episode.  I'm enjoying everything. And I've realized the usual sets aren't so boring when you're interested in the storylines.  

[Harmony233]

JJ being punished and rafe Not was ridclous.Also could they really deny Ben a lawyer?

chabby wedding was cute I just find them dull.

Hopefully now that they know to exhume wills body the story will move quickly.

Edited October 4, 2017 by Harmony233

[Cupcake04]

Wow these last few episodes have been really really good....and we are still a month away from Nov sweeps!  Chad & Abs wedding was really sweet and I loved that when Thomas started crying and fussing they just went with it and incorporated it into the scene.   Also thought JJ was great in the scene where Hope suspends him...he didn't need to say a word cuz his eyes and face said it all.

Curses to whoever noted that JJ was packing heat in those pants cuz now that is ALL I can see! Hopefully he changes clothes soon!

What did Chad say to Abby when she was putting his ring on and they all laughed? I rewound like 4 times and couldnt catch it.

The short scenes are really bugging me....hate it on GH...must be a Ron thing?

Edited October 5, 2017 by Cupcake04

[DisneyBoy]

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And I've realized the usual sets aren't so boring when you're interested in the storylines.

No kidding. I still hate the DiWall Sconces though.

Was the bubble gun the first time a weapon failed Andre at a key moment?

He had no bubbles to give. No bubbles.

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The short scenes are really bugging me....hate it on GH...must be a Ron thing?

Maybe he's trying to build momentum? Friday's episode had a lot of long scenes at the church and that was so nice.

[Frozendiva]

I didn't think that Hope was much better a choice than Rafe for the Commissioner position. Rafe's family has no bearing on his character. Although the dad, Gabi, Dario..... how did Rafe stay semi-clean?

At least Abby didn't have to buy another wedding gown. Don't know how long she and Chad will last. A bit convenient that Father Louie showed up.

Paul faces an uncertain future. Of course Sonny needs to investigate if his deceased husband is not exactly deceased. It's right and fair.

JJ should probably be dealing with Internal Affairs.

[annabel]

Maybe Hope will realize that she doesn't want to be commissioner and it is negatively affecting her relationship with Rafe, so she will step down and then Abe can offer it to Eli. I really think it should have been him all along.

[JBC344]

1 hour ago, annabel said:

Maybe Hope will realize that she doesn't want to be commissioner and it is negatively affecting her relationship with Rafe, so she will step down and then Abe can offer it to Eli. I really think it should have been him all along.

I agree.  I think if the whole Stefano thing didn't happen Hope as the Commissioner makes perfect sense.  Hope and Rafe should have both been disqualified for the crime and cover up allowing Eli to be appointed.  No he doesn't have their experience but the "killing Stefano" plot would of been a perfect way to allow him to beat out Hope and Rafe fairly.

Also, what is this absurdity that Abe was talking about in regard to hiring Eli?  He is hesitant to hire Eli because Rafe may have an issue with him?  Are you kidding me, since when does Rafe have any power over new hires?  Rafe's involvement in the cover up should of removed him of any seniority privileges that he had. 

Ironically Hope's first decision as Commissioner in regard to suspending JJ was a very fair and sensible reaction.  Given the severity of what he did but also taking into account his personal connection to the victims as leeway, it was again very fair.  Now if only Hope and Rafe's actions had the same fair consequences.

[tribeca]

Not that favoritism is an issue with this police department but maybe it’s not a good idea to hire the son of who you are dating especially a high position like commissioner.   

I always think Bens accent changes since he moved around a lot with Jordan.   Or maybe since I live close to Massachusetts I don’t hear an accent ?

[JBC344]

49 minutes ago, tribeca said:

Not that favoritism is an issue with this police department but maybe it’s not a good idea to hire the son of who you are dating especially a high position like commissioner.   

I always think Bens accent changes since he moved around a lot with Jordan.   Or maybe since I live close to Massachusetts I don’t hear an accent ?

Well considering how incestuous this town is I don't know if that would be a concern.

Abe and Hope have a much closer relationship and have for years. If anything Eli being new to town might be a benefit.

Either way "fairness" gets thrown out the window I guess if you go with either of the three. 

[rcc]

Lucas breaks my heart. BD is killing his scenes today.

[TeeVee329]

I really like that the news/import of Will possibly still being alive is still reverberating through town.  That's what a good soap opera is all about. *glares at "General Hospital"*

And heh at Paul being the one to suggest pulling the pin on the Sami grenade.

[Silver Raven]

I loved RSW's scenes in the jail, his blank affect worked perfectly.

[FnkyChkn34]

Quick question - and maybe I blocked this out because the whole story was stupid - but is it common public knowledge that Rafe helped Hope cover up the "murder"?  I thought she confessed and went to trial so that his part wouldn't be known.  I think Andre accused him, but there were never any charges or other legal ramifications.  So maybe Rafe did have the better argument to become commissioner in the eyes of the public (if it weren't for his messed up family, I guess).  

[DisneyBoy]

Neither Rafe nor Roman's parts in the cover-up are public knowledge. After Hope was exonerated because Stefano was "found", Andre threatened to spill the beans  about her co-conspirators but Hope blackmailed him with the proof she had that he had set up Hattie and sent her to jail for his crime. She was able to somehow reveal just enough evidence to get Hattie released, however, without implicating Andre....supposedly.

The bottom line is, Hope still withheld the fact that Andre was implicated in the mess that Hattie went to jail for. If she was really on the up-and-up the way she is trying to be now with Hattie and JJ, she would have revealed the Roman and Rafe parts in the cover-up as well as the fact that Andre screwed over Hattie. That certainly wouldn't make her popular with the three of them, but at least she would be sticking to her morals...

 

They have so severely botched Hope up at this point the only way I'll ever feel okay with her again is if she's nowhere near the police station. I don't particularly mind the fact that Roman stuck his neck out for her because she is his brother's widow and he was one foot out the door anyways. Rafe I just don't like. So really the only character that was permanently damaged in my eyes was Hope, and yet she's supposed to be one of the show's leading ladies.

I'm not reading spoilers so I don't know if this is where things are headed, but I really hope that Ron makes Hope's tenure as commissioner especially bumpy so that she will resign within a couple of months and that the stress will break her and Rafe up so that a year from now we can have Hope reset for some new stories that don't make her out to be so hard to root for.

On another note, I found the final wedding between Abigail and Chad really underwhelming, what with Thomas crying and her and Chad laughing over the whole thing and the camera not being able to get a single shot of them looking especially picturesque without people's heads and shoulders bobbing in and out of the frame. I really hope it is the final wedding between these two because I just can't stand any more sappiness.

I really liked that Abe and Valerie's conversation at the pub yesterday covered the fact that there wasn't much public outcry about Hope being given the promotion. It at least makes me feel like Ron is aware that there should plausibly be some negative response to this, even if they decide not to go that route (which would be very disappointing).

It's for stuff like this that I really think Anne is a viable character. She always seems to channel the thoughts that we the viewers are having but that other characters in the world aren't permitted to have based on the hierarchy within the cast - IE Jennifer Horton is perfect and everyone must love her. I could see her making some fun remarks at Abigail's expense, or astutely pointing out that nothing of substance seems to be going on between Sonny and Paul. At the very least, I think she would be the first one to immediately catch on to the fact that Adrienne is not the same person.

Oh Anne, how I miss thee!

Wouldn't it have been awesome to get a bunch of scenes of Anne babysitting Tate over the course of these last few months, while Brady has been so distracted saving Nicole's butt and running Titan?

I'm still not over the fact that Theresa supposedly got hooked on drugs, abandoned her son and left town and Anne has been nowhere to comment on much of it or even miss her BFF. There's was one of the best and only real friendships on the show.

 

 

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This is just a friendly reminder to all to please not include spoilers in this particular thread. Now that the show doesn't completely suck anymore it's actually kind of fun not knowing what's going to happen next. So if you want to reference a character or an actor who's coming back, please do so in spoiler tags or just don't even mention it in this thread. Thanks guys!

 

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Edited October 5, 2017 by DisneyBoy

[Apprentice79]

22 minutes ago, rcc said:

Lucas breaks my heart. BD is killing his scenes today.

He is so awesome.   I wonder how Sami will treat Sparkle. 

[tribeca]

Chloe seems like such a busy body to me. She is not very good at keeping a secret and she has a terrible pocker face. She must have forgotten about Lucas and the dead body.  I did until today ?

[Silver Raven]

I KNEW Julie changed the club's name without Chloe's input.

When were Will and Sonny legally separated?  That's news.

I looked up just as Gabi was reliving the discovery of Will's body.  Did they show Chandler?

Brian Dattilo is killing it.

Gabi's not exactly dressed for wrestling.

[peachmangosteen]

32 minutes ago, Silver Raven said:

I looked up just as Gabi was reliving the discovery of Will's body.  Did they show Chandler?

No.

I loved Lucas so much back in the day so it was fun seeing him again today. BD is so good. Sami is returning at some point, right? I used to be such a Sami/Lucas fangirl.

[JBC344]

I didn't mean to cause confusion with the Rafe comments. I meant more that Abe if he didn't know 100% that Rafe and Roman were involved he certainly could read the situation. I know the general public doesn't know.

[Frozendiva]

I wondered if Gabi's dress had some sort of stretch lining or stretch lace/glitter. Wearing it and especially since it is a mini-dress, yikes. Lots of opportunity for a rip/tear/wardrobe malfunction. Not really appropriate for wrestling unless she changes to sweats or other stretchy type clothes.

Lucas' anger and grief is understandable. Why bring up the same pain again. Especially if he hasn't released it.

Doug's Place for the club name? Not a good idea. Chloe should bail. And she should not be telling Nicole that Eric left town because of her.

Speaking of the dead body, not much has been done about Anjelica/Anj.

[jaylee-03031]

I just got caught up on the last two days worth of episodes. 

I loved all the Ben scenes.  I love how he stood up and put his head into JJ's gun.  RSW plays cray cray so damn well it's almost scary.

It cracked me up when he called JJ out for sleeping with Eve and called him and Abby whores.  I wish Abby and Chad would accept  responsibility for screwing each other behind Ben's back and show some kind of remorse for how they basically stabbed him in the back.   And I wish JJ would have said yeah Abby cheated on you and lied to you over and over again which was wrong and she shouldn't have done it.  It doesn't take away from what Ben did but Chabby played a role in the decline of his mental health.  I get tired of everyone treating Abby and Chad like they are perfect , innocent little angels.

I hated that they kept denying Ben the right to see his attorney and even told him no one would want to represent them.  He kept asking for a lawyer and saying he would tell them about Will but only if he had a lawyer present.  That is his constitutional right.  Glad JJ got suspended but Rafe should be disciplined too.  I wonder if all this lawyer denying and police brutality along with Will being alive is how Ben gets off the hook for his crimes.  He could be exonerated of his crimes due to Will being alive and technicality because of the police actions.  It happens,  He could still be a delicious and funny bad boy on the show.  We need bad boys.

If Sonny wants answers, maybe he should get Ben the lawyer he keeps asking for.

Cracked up laughing when Ben told JJ everyone's telling him to talk and then telling him to shut up  and then when he said Paige was worm food.  Then when Ben was rubbing his nose on the gun and making little smirky faces.  JJ with a gun is not that scary or menacing.

The wedding was a snooze just like Chabby are but I did like the bubbles at the end.  It's better than throwing rice which ends up killing birds.  (if thrown outside)

I was really hoping Eli would be the commish but I think they are going to amp up the conflict by having Eli and Rafe become police partners. It is ridiculous that Abe was saying Rafe was going to have an issue with him hiring Eli and that Rafe has some say in it.  Rafe should have no say in who Abe hires.  Plus Rafe if hadn't gotten Eli fired, Eli would still have a job.

I felt sad for both Sonny and Paul.  Sonny just  had his world rocked and he  wants to believe that Will could be alive and Paul saw his first wedding crash and burn and he may lose Sonny to Will.  Sad that between Sonny, Chad,Abby, and Paul- this was only Paul's first wedding and he didn't even get to get married.

On Thursday's show:  I loved all the Gabi and Eli scenes.  Be still my heart I love them.  That was funny when she flipped Eli over and he landed on the ground.  He had this cute surprised look on his face and I loved their first kiss.  I even let out a little squeal.  I'm not proud, lol,

Lucas broke my heart and I understand why he didn't want Will's grave to exhumed.  He is afraid to hope that Will might be alive and then be crushed.  I wanted to reach through the screen and give Lucas a hug.

I wonder where Chloe was the whole time that Julie was decorating the bar and putting up Doug's Place sign.  I really wish Jennifer or Kate has been the one tell Lucas about Will instead of Chloe.

Getting tired of watching Brady practically make love to every bottle of booze he sees and his jealousy and possessiveness is over the top.

I am glad that Nicole and Chloe are still friends after everything that happened with Holly.

Eric was looking hot today and  I want to really like him but he's a little bland.  I was hoping when he returned from prison, he would come back with a spine and some fire in him.  My boyfriend walked in just as Eric was mentioning that he had a leaky hole in his roof and my boyfriend said screw the roof, that dude some leaky holes in his head. LOL. He doesn't think Eric is too bright.

and it was awesome to have a Chabby free day!

[Star Aristille]

50 minutes ago, jaylee-03031 said:

It cracked me up when he called JJ out for sleeping with Eve and called him and Abby whores.  I wish Abby and Chad would accept  responsibility for screwing each other behind Ben's back and show some kind of remorse for how they basically stabbed him in the back.   And I wish JJ would have said yeah Abby cheated on you and lied to you over and over again which was wrong and she shouldn't have done it.  It doesn't take away from what Ben did but Chabby played a role in the decline of his mental health.  I get tired of everyone treating Abby and Chad like they are perfect , innocent little angels.

Problem is, almost every couple responsible for driving someone crazy is treated like that.  They're rarely made to take responsibility for their part in that person's mental decline.  On ATWT, Jack and Carly were treated as the victims even though they drove Julia crazy.  Neither took responsibility for it.  On AMC, Greenlee at least took responsibility for Annie Novak's mental decline, but Ryan only halfheartedly did.  On GL, Josh and Reva pretty much acted like they were innocent when Annie Dutton went crazy thanks to them.  And to show that he was just like his parents, Shayne made Ben go crazy with Marina's help.  Hart and Cassie drove Dinah insane, as well, which led to Hart's own demise.  On Passions, Ethan and Theresa were probably one of the worst cases, as neither took accountability for their part in Gwen's brief visit to Crazy Town.  Nor did Luis and Sheridan when Beth went crazy.  OLTL had a rare exception, as John and Natalie did take responsibility for Brody's mental decline near the end of their network run.

And even looking at this show, it's happened, with none of the couples taking responsibility.  I like John and Marlena a lot, but I admit that they're marred a fair bit by not owning up to their part in Kristen's decline into evil and insanity.  Billie never went crazy, but Bo and Hope did a number on her, too.  Jack and Jennifer never apologized to Peter.  And I know she's hated here for all the damage she did to them, but from what I've gathered from various posts about her, Shane and Kimberly were the ones who sent Emma on her spiral and never took responsibility.  And to go with a couple from my era, let's not forget Shawn and Belle's part in making Jan go crazy and not owning up to that.

The point?  Soap couples driving others crazy and mostly being let off the hook is nothing new at all.  It sucks, but it happens.  All too often.

50 minutes ago, jaylee-03031 said:

I wonder if all this lawyer denying and police brutality along with Will being alive is how Ben gets off the hook for his crimes.  He could be exonerated of his crimes due to Will being alive and technicality because of the police actions.  It happens,  He could still be a delicious and funny bad boy on the show.  We need bad boys.

The only way Ben gets exonerated is not only if Will is still alive, but if Serena and Paige are, too.  But neither one of those seems to be happening.  So he's still on the hook for them, at the very least.

Edited October 6, 2017 by Star Aristille

[buffynut]

5 hours ago, Star Aristille said:

The only way Ben gets exonerated is not only if Will is still alive, but if Serena and Paige are, too.  But neither one of those seems to be happening.  So he's still on the hook for them, at the very least.

And the poor mid-wife. Does anyone in Salem even know he killed her?

[DisneyBoy]

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Then when Ben was rubbing his nose on the gun and making little smirky faces.  

For me, that moment encapsulated exactly why I hate this actor. WTH kind of facial expressions were those? Flaring nostrils + pursing lips + narrowing eyes = sex face? Yuck. I have to see that?

it's a cheesy thing to do to have him push his head into the gun and I'm not saying most actors would be able to sell a moment like that without it coming across as pretty trite, but Geez Louise it just couldn't have been much worse. Aren't actors supposed to be aware of how they look when they do things? Isn't that lack of awareness what separates good actors from complete novices? After all, it's not about how they feel performing a scene as much as how they are able to make the audience feel. I felt embarrassed and royally turned off watching him. Ron is giving him funny dialogue I'll grant you that, but he doesn't deserve it.

You just go, evil! Just GO!

One of the things I admire most about Eileen Davidson is how, even when given crappy material the likes of which she got the last few times she returned as Kristen, she was able to rise above the fact that Kristen was trashing her hotel room for the fifth time and talking to herself, or flinging a trash can around the park, or sitting on Brady's lap and sobbing while saying goodbye to him because she's having him executed. I don't think any of those moments on paper were especially well written, but her performance seemed driven by her instincts. She understands how to rein in something that can come across looking stupid and make it at least watchable instead of utterly terrible. Take notes, RSW.

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And the poor mid-wife. Does anyone in Salem even know he killed her?

Seriously. That was the one moment in the storyline that actually chilled me to the bone a little bit. That's the kind of stuff that happens during these real life kidnappings and murders that's just horrifying to me. It's so senseless. That woman was just trying to help in a bad situation as best she could. I feel like in the olden days, Days would have had Abigail give Thomas some variation on the woman's name as his middle name in honor of her sacrifice.

I get that some of you think Ben would be a good recurring character, but I totally disagree. Ron might be giving him somewhat funny dialogue right now, but the actor is bad (as I have previously stated at length, LOL) and there's just no character there to build on. Back in the day, Ben was just this guy that loved Abby and negotiated a kind of relationship with his creepy father and didn't listen to his obviously concerned for valid reasons sister. I don't remember Ben having any particular quirks or personality or dreams to speak of. They had to turn him into a killer because there was just no where else to go with the character accept to use him as a plot point to get rid of some of the weaker or less popular characters and then push Chad and Abby back together.

I know this show has pulled 180s on characters in recent years and had it work - Theresa is a good example of this - but it seems like there was usually a good actor there to support. RSW is not that. He's game, I'll grant you that, but he'll never be sexy or fun. He's the guy who choked Will and happened not to kill him, apparently. He's the guy who broke into Paige's room, strangled her for no reason and then just called her worm food. I have no stomach for watching that guy on my screen any more than he's been this past week. The real world is dark enough, thank you.

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I like John and Marlena a lot, but I admit that they're marred a fair bit by not owning up to their part in Kristen's decline into evil and insanity.  

One of the things I liked about the idiotic John Seduces Kristen To Neutralize Her plot from 2013 was how John actually had to speak words of contrition to the woman he previously pledged his heart to. I think DH did some of his best work in those scenes. You can see him trying to figure out what to say or do to seduce or move Kristen, but when it came time to admitting that John had been unfair to her whether or not he realized it by obsessing over Marlena in the final days of their relationship, you could see that Drake wasn't having John make stuff up. John was confessing the truth and admitting things he'd probably been previously too ashamed to. I don't remember Marlena ever once doing that. It's like from a certain point in that storyline onwards, Marlena just decided that she was entitled to John, Kristen's feelings be damned. And she's always been smug about that. Never once did Marlena admit she could have been more sympathetic to her...of course I realize Kristen did horrible things to Marlena and that kind of cancels out any guilt over whether or not she felt sympathy towards her, but I think I've already spoken about that and that's a whole other conversation anyway, LOL.

Chad in particular, given his humble upbringing and the horrible DiMera reputation he has to battle now, should be more sympathetic and self-aware than to completely absolve himself and Abigail of any responsibility. He's seen DiMera's do that for years and always paint themselves as the victims when they drive other people to desperation.

I think it's just because of the fact that he still wants to be with Abigail. Don't all couples do this? If Chad actually turned to Abigail and said "Well yeah honey, but you've never had a track record for being good with men, right? I mean you screwed around with EJ behind my back after I left town to get medical treatment, and then you screwed around behind Ben's back with me and made him think there was still a future there for the two of you. It's kind of a pattern..." that would seriously damage their relationship. It would be nice to think that a couple who's been together this long and is married and has a son could be honest with each other, but let's face it: couples often lie to stay in their happy bubble.

Doc MUST be uncomfortable with the fact that she knows John was pleased with Kristen for a long time and didn't really suspect that she was duplicitous until Marlena and Laura basically had to nearly die and spell out 2 years worth of lies to him like he was a four-year-old incapable of piecing any of it together himself. But she ignores it. Kristen's line to Marlena back in 2013 about how nothing Marlena says or does can change the fact that she and John have always had incredible chemistry was such a good line because it spoke to the thing that the show never otherwise addressed. John and Kristen do have incredible chemistry. John probably did stay with Kristen because she's such a hot tamale. I completely believe that John does have sexual fantasies about her some nights while dreaming and probably doesn't tell Marlena about it. I don't necessarily buy that Marlena's "not in touch with that part" of herself the way Kristen said, because I seem to recall lots of sex scenes between John and Marlena back in the day, but us viewers, we certainly know that between Marlena and Kristen, Kristen is the better lay! So while she might never get the closure of John and Marlena owning up to how both of them treated her like a cheap prostitute once they got to reunite with each other, at least she knows why. Their powerful love and intense smugness can never erase the fact that she was one hot item capable of putting their fated love in question.

I can't say I believe that Ben suddenly is no longer interested in Abigail at all. I find it downright weird that he seems to have a fresh perspective on things and believes Chad will suffer in the long run for marrying her. I guess he got some good therapy? But at least he is pointing out that Abigail and Clyde both got the dominoes falling. He has free will and of course shouldn't have murdered anybody but it isn't wrong to point out that Abigail messed with him.

I find it annoying that JJ and Abigail are so shamed by their past indiscretions that no one can so much as utter a word about them. I get that it's human not to be proud of the times you cheated on your exes, but they're supposed to be mature adults who have grown into wonderful people, at least according to their mother. You'd think by now they could not fly into a rage when someone points out that they've been slutty.

Edited October 6, 2017 by DisneyBoy

[Apprentice79]

9 hours ago, Star Aristille said:

And even looking at this show, it's happened, with none of the couples taking responsibility.  I like John and Marlena a lot, but I admit that they're marred a fair bit by not owning up to their part in Kristen's decline into evil and insanity.  Billie never went crazy, but Bo and Hope did a number on her, too.  Jack and Jennifer never apologized to Peter.  And I know she's hated here for all the damage she did to them, but from what I've gathered from various posts about her, Shane and Kimberly were the ones who sent Emma on her spiral and never took responsibility.  And to go with a couple from my era, let's not forget Shawn and Belle's part in making Jan go crazy and not owning up to that.

Why should any of these couples have apologized to the interlopers that hurt them.  That is the excuse that Jack used to rape Kayla. Steve and Kayla were having an affair while she was married to Jack. She refused to sleep with Jack throughout their marriage.  They never consummated their marriage.  She wanted to come clean about her feelings for Steve, but, Steve did not want her to do that. Once Jack found out about her betrayal, it did not end well for Kayla.  Should Kayla and Steve have apologized to Jack for playing him for a fool, for lying about their affair. That is what Chabby did to Ben.  Jack felt foolish, hurt, humiliated and it pushed him to hurt Kayla in the worst way that a man can hurt a woman. He taunted her and threatened her about it being his right as her husband. A right that Steve got to enjoy.  Billie, Kristen, Ben, Jack and Emma had the right to get angry and feel hurt, but, they had no right to hurt their victims. I will never feel sorry for any of them.  Jack is the only one that realized the error of his ways and sincerely apologized to Steve and Kayla.  I always tear up when I see the scene of Jack apologizing to Kayla about the rape..

I feel that the only person that got screwed by John and Marlena was Roman.. John took over his life to no fault of his own.  Roman lost years with his parents, his sisters, brother, friends and children.  The world moved on without him. He missed  seeing Eric and Sami taking their first steps.  He was not able to protect Carrie, when Stefano kidnapped her. He did not see Kayla marry Steve. He was not there to comfort Bo, after Hope died.  He was not there to help Kim, when Emma kidnapped her son Andrew.  He was not there when his mom  had heart surgery.  Precious moments that the he will never get to experience.  John experienced those and more.  He even lost Belle as a daughter, it was his idea to have another child with Marlena. Belle was supposed to be the child that he and Marlena would raise together from birth to adulthood. Even John got that.  Roman was the biggest loser.. His family accepted this stranger into the fold as him. 

As a fan of Kim and Shane. Emma was a psychopath who took pleasure in hurting Kim.  Kim never did anything to Emma.  She left Shane alone when Emma came back. Kim was actually her friend for a short period of time. Kim and Marlena took care of her.. Emma was the one who targeted Kim.  It was not even about getting Shane back, she knew that she lost him forever. Her goal in life was to hurt Kim and destroy her.  She had a blind Kim crawl through broken glass to get a cameo that Shane gave her.  It was a scene that Sherry  Anderson wrote to show how vile Emma was... The cameo was special to Kim, because it belonged to Shane's mother Jeannie.  Shane's mother gave it to Shane to present it to the woman that he loved. Shane gave it Kim in England, when they made love for the first time.  

Edited October 6, 2017 by Apprentice79

[Harmony233]

I really liked the Marlena and Ben scenes today.

Rafe is so annoying.

I felt bad for victor having to listen to Sonny and Brady bitch and moan.

[tribeca]

Paul is bearly hanging on.  He seems very alone.  

Felt really bad for Marlena.  Bad is still entertaining crazy to me.  

So now if that wasn’t Will that was killed who was it ?   Was it fake Will that cheated on Sony ? 

Victor was really enjoying Sony and Brady argument?  

Victor should not give any advice like ever.  

[Silver Raven]

Oh, stfu, Rafe.

Eli needs to realize that Gabi is on the rebound.

And our cable went out.  For the third freaking time this month. Fortunately for only five minutes this time.

RSW is doing much better work now than he did before he left.

Ugh, that horrible whiny heavy breathing singer singing the Chad and Abigail song is back.

And the cable goes out again.

[Star Aristille]

11 hours ago, buffynut said:

And the poor mid-wife. Does anyone in Salem even know he killed her?

Yes!  Forgot about Wendy!  Yes, Abigail told the police about her after she and Chad were rescued from the fire.  So her, as well.

8 hours ago, Apprentice79 said:

Why should any of these couples have apologized to the interlopers that hurt them?

If they were responsible for them losing their grip on reality due to leading them on rather than just being honest with them, then yes, they should apologize.

Edited October 6, 2017 by Star Aristille

[Rowan]

An Eric and Nicole declaration of semi-forbidden love...in the rain? That's the stuff of soap legend. Make it happen Days. You owe me. 

My two cents on the crazy Ben situation, Ben is responsible for Ben. Was Abby a shit fiancé? Um, yeah. Sure, she deserves shade from him, but he chose to work through that shit by murdering the townsfolk. Screw him. I don't think we were ever shown that she just didn't give a crap. She owed him an apology for being unfaithful. That's it. Somehow, I doubt that alone would have appeased his psychotic need to have her at any cost.

I'm suddenly wanting Marlena to become an FBI profiler or something. I also liked how John totally allowed her space to deal with Ben. 

[Harmony233]

Maybe it’s me and I’m assuming Ben is on meds but I thought he seemed confused or weird when Hope showed him a picture of Clyde also how could he forget a vist?

[annabel]

please tell me we are not going to be subjected to the return of Clyde Weston. 

[Frozendiva]

The Sonny-Brady he-man posturing was funny. Both don't deserve to run Titan, or whatever.

Abby spent an awful lot of time in that wedding gown. Surely it would be creased or stained by now. I would have changed in to sweats or something a bit more comfortable when I got home. Long may she and Chad last - well, til February sweeps!

Marlena was quite good with Ben. DH was not well lit or maybe the makeup was a bit off.

Someone told him Will was alive? And we see a picture of Daddy Weston? Just wish the guy playing Ben was a better actor to give a bit more range, but, ah well.

Hopefully Nicole will dump Brady after what Chloe told her about him forcing Eric to fire her.

Eli, Gabi is not really ready to have anything more than something fun and casual with you. Live in the moment. That's it.

[annabel]

I have been watching this show on and off since the early 80s and Marlena's job has always been such a part of who she is. She was great today.

[SueB]

Breezing by with quick thoughts:

- I loved the punch.  In fact, I that's really the first time I truly warmed to Marci's Abby.  I'm totally Chabbie but I liked her spirit in that episode.
- Nicole honey, no more eyeliner for you.  It ages you.  (See Johnny Depp).
- Chloe... you surprise me... you're the good guy these days.
- WTF Brady?  Could you be more erratic in personality?
- Poor Lucas.  And seriously, why aren't they all alcoholics by now.  I'd be drinking heavily if this was my life.

 

And I'm totally on the forbidden romance (again) with Eric (again) and Nicole sleeping together while she's with another man (again).  Angst pudding w/ angsty whipped cream. I'm just saying, I think Eric/Nicole could have been a Days power couple if they could have just held onto the actors for a consistent set of stints.  I'd like to see them together again.  

[Apprentice79]

6 hours ago, annabel said:

I have been watching this show on and off since the early 80s and Marlena's job has always been such a part of who she is. She was great today.

She was really great.  She was compassionate, fearless and understanding to a man that tried to kill her. She was hopeful that Ben was telling the truth about Will, but, scared that it was just a delusion of his, when she asked him, if it was a voice, in his head, telling him that Will was alive. 

Edited October 7, 2017 by Apprentice79

[hielandfoodie]

Ben go away. Clyde stay away. Xander too.

[peachmangosteen]

Oh, his name is Clyde. I thought it was Clive lol.

I loved the Marlena/Ben scenes. DH killed them. And I continue to find RSW/Ben entertaining as hell.

21 hours ago, Harmony233 said:

Maybe it’s me and I’m assuming Ben is on meds but I thought he seemed confused or weird when Hope showed him a picture of Clyde also how could he forget a vist?

Yea, I found that whole thing very confusing, but I don't really know the while story with Ben since I wasn't watching so I just figured that was why.

[Happytobehere]

Just finished watching this week’s episodes.

1) No comment of Monday because it was not shown in NY for obvious reasons,  I am however disappointed that NBC chose not to air the episode of Tuesday.

2) When did the actor who plays Sonny become so bad.  He used to be enjoyable.  Is it the path the show has taken with his character, or just hm?

3) He and the actor who plays Paul have no chemistry, so Paul’s claims of his great love for Sonny ring hollow and silly rather than heartfelt and moving.  I still don’t know why posters call his character Sparkle, cause that guy is deadly dull to the point of me actually trailing off when ever he is in a scene.

4) I still can’t take Hope, Rafe or Hope and Rafe.  I might have to go back to ff in order to be able to stick with this return.

5) Nicole works so much better with Eric than Brady, so naturally we will never get that.  Just as the show dropped the ball on Eric and Jennifer, I pairing I surprisingly thought had real promise, I’m sure Eric and Nicole are going nowhere fast.

6) Marlena’s scenes with John, Sonny and Ben were really well done.  DH did most of the heavy lifting when with Sonny, but the actor who plays Ben was actually good and strangely likable and compelling for a serial killer.

7) Are Andre and Kate a thing?

8) I continue to like Gabi and Eli but while an extremely beautiful woman with to die for hair, that actress who plays Gabi isn’t that strong an actress either.

9) I like that Lucas is finally getting more screen time, I just which t wasn’t rooted in his return to alcoholism, even though addiction is a life-long battle so this fall is all too real.

[Star Aristille]

1 hour ago, Happytobehere said:

2) When did the actor who plays Sonny become so bad?  He used to be enjoyable.  Is it the path the show has taken with his character, or just him?

You'd have to ask someone better-versed with Freddie Smith (Sonny), but it has a lot to do more with his personal life than it does with the writing of the show.

[DisneyBoy]

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She was compassionate, fearless and understanding to a man that tried to kill her.

I had forgotten about that! The attack in her office....good memory.

Now to answer those numbered questions:

1) Bummer.

2) It's him.

3) Agreed and they call him Sparkle cause he used to when he first came onboard, like a toothpaste commercial actor.

4) Me neither.

5) If there's any justice, November will feature them having two weeks of joyful sex, minimum.

6) DH was good.

7) The show isn't sure. No...for now?

8) Amen! Gabi's looks and general warmth have saved her.

9) How true.

[Apprentice79]

27 minutes ago, DisneyBoy said:

I had forgotten about that! The attack in her office....good memory.

I have never understood why Marlena never invoked her twin sister's name, after she was attacked by Ben.  Samantha was strangled to death by a serial killer, who thought he was killing Marlena.  I always expected her to say that she knew the horror that Will and Samantha felt, before they died. It would have added another layer of sadness to her grief for Will.

Edited October 8, 2017 by Apprentice79

[Stella Rose]

I can't say enough good things about Marci Miller and her performance as Abby.  New Abby indeed.  Bless - could you imagine KM trying to handle the Ben is Back material.   Ugh.   MM is fan-freaking-tastic.  

[Harmony233]

Maybe its because I just started watching again but I cant get into new abby at all.I find her really bland.I wasn’t a big KM either but it’s hard to believe this is the same character that had an affair with EJ,obessed over Austin.

[DisneyBoy]

I still don't think she's received material that would allow her to bridge the gap. When she first started as Mentally Unstable Abby, she was apparently working without any notes on who the character was and was still trying to get into the groove of the show. Her confrontation with Ben at the church was pretty well done but again it wasn't like she had a couple of scenes with him to hash out details from their past relationship and confront any residual feelings about that. She basically had to momentarily panic, then get angry and punch him.

 

Maybe Ron and Sherry and the producers already know that Marci can't bridge the gap between who Abigail used to be and the Abigail she plays now. Maybe they realize they cast a very different actress and the audience just has to accept that Abby's new and improved. That certainly seems to be what she was saying after throwing the punch.

My biggest problem with the current Abigail is how much wiser than her years she seems. Marci seems very zen and quiet whereas the other Abigail almost seemed deranged in her need for attention and adulation. I guess we can only call it a character reboot and leave it at that. I don't think I'll ever love this character, but perhaps if someone like Marci had been playing her all along we would have at least been able to respect her. Heck, maybe the writers wouldn't have taken her down the path they did either...

 

I just caught up on the rest of this week and wanted to ask for the show to please stop putting in so many useless scenes of Chad and Abigail. It seems like every episode would cut to them sitting somewhere talking about how great they are and how weird the week has been and how much they can't wait to have sex. And then we'd get the exact same scene two minutes later. And then the exact scene again five minutes after that.

We got a bit of the same thing on Friday with Gaby and Eli. I can't help think back to how quickly the show was burning through plot points during the 50th. This week felt excruciatingly long just to get to the point that someone had visited Ben and told him Will was alive. I feel like they could have established all of that by Wednesday or Thursday and pushed the plot forward even more before the weekend.

I am liking Eli a lot more than I was before though so that's a positive.

Commissioner Hope certainly took matters into her own hands in a good way. Provided they don't have her act shady, I might be able to stomach her in this position for a little while. Still hoping for her to quit though.

Chloe continues to be the worst written character on the show. 2017 has seen her purposefully keep Nicole from her own daughter for flimsy reasons, obsess about said child as if she were her own, and now go around town asking people to confide in her and then spilling their secrets left, right and center. And since when would Jennifer ever call Chloe and give her updates? Aren't they still on the outs after all Chloe did to break up Jennifer and Daniel a few years back?

I really can't deal with Andre as a sweet cuddly teddy bear the way we've seen him this week. I don't believe for a second that he's attracted to Kate and I don't believe that Kate would be so incredibly stupid as to get involved with him. She was pretty much fine with him being put in a straight jacket just a few days ago! But now she's opening up to him about Will and gazing at him longingly? Please show - stop it.

I wonder if they are going to say that Clyde visited him during last year's siege storyline. That wouldn't make much sense because obviously Clyde had appeared on television and walking into the mental institution that was treating his son would have been a very easy way of getting caught. But then again, if they're trying to suggest that he visited Ben while he was incarcerated before or after the siege, I don't buy that either because it means he was capable of escaping and somehow ending up back in jail anyways.

I think it would have been more effective if Jordan had been the one to visit Ben, since she's technically free and would surely have wanted some closure after hearing about Ben's crimes on the news. Plus she could have accidentally let it slip that she saw Will and then asked him not to tell anybody because she wants to continue to live anonymously and not have her whereabouts get back to Clyde. Then Ben at least would have had a reason to want to keep the secret about who told him Will was still living.

I have no idea how Clyde would have discovered that Will was still alive or why he would have bothered to go and tell Ben about that. I guess we'll have to wait and find out if that makes any sense.

I really like that Nicole showed up dripping wet at the cabin. Classic soap set up for a love scene there! Her hair and makeup need work though.

Edited October 8, 2017 by DisneyBoy

[A.J.]

On ‎10‎/‎7‎/‎2017 at 0:01 PM, hielandfoodie said:

 Ben go away. Clyde stay away. Xander too.

I'd love if they somehow redeemed Ben.  He was a good guy until Abigail did what she did.  And I'd love, love to see more of Xander.  Why they don't make this smoking hot guy a regular cast member is beyond me. 

 

Clyde can stay far, far away unless they show him suffering or being beaten to a pulp by a cell mate! I haven't had so much disgust for a DAYS character in quite a while.  He is/was repulsive!   

Edited October 8, 2017 by A.J.
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[peachmangosteen]

Can someone give me a brief rundown on Clyde and what happened with him, please? Maybe on the history thread, if there is one.

Edited October 8, 2017 by peachmangosteen

[DisneyBoy]

Hoo-boy. Okay. I'll try.

 

We must first begin with the story of "Jordan", who moved to Salem to work as a physical therapist at the hospital. She began a relationship with Rafe, her patient, and we gradually came to learn that her real name was not Jordan and that she was in fact a woman who had been on the run from her father for several years. That father was Clyde Weston.

Having been physically and sexually abused by Clyde, she decided to make a run for it with her brother Ollie rather than stay under Clyde's thumb. (How moving from state to state and adopting fake names didn't prevent her from obtaining the education necessary to work in a hospital as a physical therapist was never explained). Kate, not knowing any of this and secretly being jealous that Rafe had found another woman so soon after their recent fling, did some digging about Jordan and found Clyde in a small town called Poplar Bluff. He came to Salem and Jordan, who had by this point developed a relationship with Chad, was extremely uncomfortable and worried for the safety of her brother "Ben". Clyde pretended to be a Charming Southern Man with a trucking company and began to woo Kate, while threatening Jordan to keep quiet about the past abuse. She instead opted to break up with Chad and leave town altogether, while Ben somehow disregarded her concerns and tentatively began a reconciliation with their father.

Ben, who worked at Club TBD under Sonny, was in a relationship with Abigail when Chad came back to town. He immediately disliked Chad, who Abby was obviously still attracted to and yet uncomfortable around due to her having messed around with his brother EJ. Chad was also Ben's boss, adding an additional layer of resentment to the situation.

Clyde continued to charm Kate, who began a relationship with him unaware of the fact that he was engaged in criminal activities on the side. (Yes, Kate should be smarter than that. Much smarter.)

EJ and Clyde ended up meeting in the park to discuss one of their drug deals. When EJ became disrespectful, Clyde gave his man the order to shoot him. EJ died that night without anyone in his family knowing the cause of the dispute or who was behind it.

Ben began to realize that Abigail was having a bit of an affair with Chad behind his back, so when she became pregnant it was a serious concern who the father of the baby was. Clyde encouraged Ben to fight for his woman, and then secretly tampered with the results of the blood test to make it appear that Ben was Abigail's child's father even though it was Chad. Clyde even offered to buy a house for Ben and Abigail to live in. Jennifer felt extremely uneasy with the prospect of Abigail marrying into Clyde's family. He even came to Jennifer's house one day and walked around the living room being very ominous all the while discussing the upcoming wedding of their children.

When Will was writing an article about Clyde and his history back in Poplar Bluff, Clyde made it very clear to Will that he should pick someone else to focus the story on. He also showed up at Will's apartment and commented on how beautiful his baby daughter Arianna looked as a way of driving home his unspoken threat.

Clyde began to get irritated with Kate's busy schedule and lack of availability. Sensing she was being controlled by her boyfriend, she dumped him abruptly.

Seeking to make up for having bought and sold drugs on the street, JJ decided to do some undercover work and cozy up to one of the young dealers in town selling Clyde's drugs. JJ narrowly avoided being killed when Clyde showed up to shoot the dealer himself. JJ helped the cops nail Clyde, and Clyde swore he get back at him and was dragged off to prison.

Ben went on to become the Necktie Killer in order to frame Chad for a series of murders and have him sent off to prison. Ben strangled Serena, Paige and Will before he was finally caught. He ended up kidnapping Abby and bringing her to a cabin in the woods where she was forced to give birth with the aid of a midwife Ben promptly killed afterwards. Chad showed up to save her but Ben tied them both up to the bed and set fire to it while walking out with the baby. Everyone ended up surviving and Ben's deeds came to light, exonerating Chad who was revealed to be the baby's father.

Months later as Chad and Abigail tried to get married, she began having visions of Ben after hearing that he was on the loose. The real Ben did in fact show up at the DiMera mansion hoping to start a new life with her and "their" baby, but a deranged Abigail seduced him, knocked him out, tied him to a bed and set it on fire. Ben's legs were burned and he was sent off to a mental institution. Abigail ended up voluntarily committing to an institution as well, Shady Hills, but continued to have hallucinations of Ben and managed to even set herself on fire trying to escape him. Distraught, she ended up fleeing Salem and faking her death.

Clyde resurfaced last fall when he, Xander and Orpheus teamed up to break out of jail together. Clyde confronted Kate at the Martin house, where she pointed out that his abuse of Ben and Jordan led to Ben becoming a killer. (It remains unclear whether Kate knows Jordan was sexually abused or not. Again, she should be smart enough to fill in the blanks.) Chad showed up and saved Kate in the process.

Clyde and the other two kidnapped Joey and Claire and destroyed the town's power supply by planting a bomb. They appeared on television after hijacking a signal to announce that they had the kids. Clyde used a sharpshooter to shoot Abe. This prompted Theo to steal a gun and track down Clyde at the docks and threaten to shoot him. Clyde managed to escape.

Marlena started to write up psychological profiles of each of the three convicts in order to create traps for them to fall into.

After being approached by Andre, who offered Clyde a secret way into the mansion and insisted he wanted Chad out of the way so he could run the family business on his own, Clyde confronted Chad demanding to know where Thomas was. Lucas and Adrienne played along as Chad argued with Andre over his "betrayal" and then ended up shot on the floor. This was all a ruse of course, to get Clyde thinking he had the upper hand. A recording of Thomas crying was played in side a crib in a panic room at the mansion. They trapped Clyde there until the police arrived and Clyde was once again dragged off to jail.

 

That's the last we saw of him. Those are all the details as best as I can remember them.

Edited October 9, 2017 by DisneyBoy

[peachmangosteen]

Thanks, @DisneyBoy!

[Silver Raven]

Clyde also got into a drug war with Victor over control of the apparently lucrative drug trade in Salem, and had Sonny stabbed in the back as a warning to Victor to stay out of it or he would start going after all of Victor's loved ones.  Victor knows that Clyde was responsible for Sonny almost dying, but this man who pledges his entire life for his family never did anything about it.  And Sonny to this day does not know who stabbed him.