Current Plots Discussion: Actually Today's Episode

[Apprentice79]

27 minutes ago, JBC344 said:

So agree, it wasn't even a great storyline to "go out" on.  Hope had already divorced him and was moving on with her life, there was really no reason to kill him.  I understand Peter was retiring and the possibility of him not coming back was strong but personally I would of just hedged my bets and either left him off screen or what I wanted was for him to come back and amicably end things with Hope and move away.

There is always the possibility you can lure him back for some guest spots in the future or leave it open for him to do an "ending" story at a different time.  That whole death storyline was a complete jumbled mess and the ones who suffered were Aiden and us the audience.

True, but, only death would separate Bo and Hope...I hated the story because we had weeks of Bo being tortured. It was unnecessary.  Plus, Dena had Bo give Hope to that turd Rafe. Dena's misogyny is appalling. She writes women as being weak and dependent on the men to save them.   I hope that Dena never writes a postcard for the rest of her life. Ken  Corday is an incompetent idiot..

Aiden should have been with Kayla.  They sparkled in that brief scene at the Horton Square, before the Wilson wedding.

Edited September 15, 2017 by Apprentice79

[swtrgrl]

Holy crap. Lucas droppin' drunken truth bombs all over PaulSon is awesome AF!

24 minutes ago, Apprentice79 said:

Aiden should have been with Kayla.  They sparkled in that brief scene at the Horton Square, before the Wilson wedding.

I've been saying this for YEARS!!! They totally had chemistry. Steve wasn't in town so that would have been a good pairing. The whole gift discussion was amazing. 

[Apprentice79]

6 minutes ago, swtrgrl said:

Holy crap. Lucas droppin' drunken truth bombs all over PaulSon is awesome AF!

I've been saying this for YEARS!!! They totally had chemistry. Steve wasn't in town so that would have been a good pairing. The whole gift discussion was amazing. 

Aiden's intensity would have worked so well with Kayla...Plus, they were so adorable in that scene.  I would have loved to see Steve head explode in seeing Aiden with Kayla.. 

Lucas was awesome. Bryan was sublime and I have to thank Ron for giving him a story rooted in Lucas' tortuous history on the show. At his core, Lucas wants love and his kids are the most important people in the world.  Gabi barring Lucas from Ari's life stirred up a lot of bad memories for Lucas' battles with Sami over Will...

Edited September 15, 2017 by Apprentice79

[buffynut]

Wow. That was the most intense episode I've seen in a long time.  Everything that's happened in other story-lines came together to put Lucas where he is.  It's like the writers actually had a plan. And knew how to put it on film.  And Bryan's acting was amazing. I didn't know he had it in him. And to think he's not even on contract!

Of course I was spoiled about Will's appearance, but since the only Will I've known was the Guy Wilson version, it's just as well, otherwise I wouldn't have even known who he was.  But great way to end a Friday episode!  

[Apprentice79]

16 minutes ago, buffynut said:

Wow. That was the most intense episode I've seen in a long time.  Everything that's happened in other story-lines came together to put Lucas where he is.  It's like the writers actually had a plan. And knew how to put it on film.  And Bryan's acting was amazing. I didn't know he had it in him. And to think he's not even on contract!

Of course I was spoiled about Will's appearance, but since the only Will I've known was the Guy Wilson version, it's just as well, otherwise I wouldn't have even known who he was.  But great way to end a Friday episode!  

Bryan was amazing today! He is like fine wine and he gets better with age.. He moved me, his intense sadness was palpable. Kate had me in tears when she was reaming out "Adrienne" for her awful treatment of Lucas.. Kate is at her best when she is in mama bear mode..

[FnkyChkn34]

1 hour ago, Apprentice79 said:

Aiden should have been with Kayla.  They sparkled in that brief scene at the Horton Square, before the Wilson wedding.

I don't think I saw this part, but maybe that pairing would have made me actually like Aiden.  

47 minutes ago, buffynut said:

Wow. That was the most intense episode I've seen in a long time.  Everything that's happened in other story-lines came together to put Lucas where he is.  It's like the writers actually had a plan. And knew how to put it on film.  And Bryan's acting was amazing. I didn't know he had it in him. And to think he's not even on contract!

Of course I was spoiled about Will's appearance, but since the only Will I've known was the Guy Wilson version, it's just as well, otherwise I wouldn't have even known who he was.  But great way to end a Friday episode!  

This review makes me actually want to go home and watch today's episode.  First time I've been excited to see it in a very, very long time.  So, thanks!

[Chick2Chic]

Brady has been a mess for a while, but not in a great way. I wouldn't call him textbook abusive but watching his ridiculousness made me wonder why anyone would want to put up with him & his tantrums. I  can only assume he must lay a hell of a pipe cause I see nothing outside of the bedroom in the last 5-6 years worth putting up with Brady's inexplicably hyperreactive BS.  He's treated a lot of women he's been with terribly. I hated how he treated Arianna with Nicole selfishly inserting herself into that relationship and I wasn't a fan of how he treated Theresa (and he's a crap father to Tate too). I think Nicole deserves a lot of bad karma since she's done a lot of terrible things but I think even she deserves better than Brady's BS. (I don't hate Nicole, I just have as much sympathy for her as she did for the parents of the last baby she stole.) 

[Silver Raven]

Aw, Ari was cute throwing the flowers.

Gabi being uncomfortable with Lucas around Ari was very well done.

Brian Dattilo is killing it.

[Star Aristille]

3 hours ago, swtrgrl said:

Holy crap. Lucas droppin' drunken truth bombs all over PaulSon is awesome AF!

 

What, exactly, were the truth bombs?  Paul didn't do jack shit to split up Will and Sonny.  Will did that all on his own with his actions in the wake of them sleeping together.  Sonny didn't bail when things got tough.  He bailed because Will wouldn't take responsibility for his actions.

Edited September 15, 2017 by Star Aristille

[A.J.]

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The level of UST in Eric and Nicole's scenes have reached a new level--it isn't just Eric feeling this pull because Nicole looks like she's ready to jump on top of Eric at every opportunity.

The chemistry between them is wildly magnetic.  I haven’t wanted a soap couple to be together as much in a long, long time. 

 

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Arianne Zucker, meanwhile, seemed to show through her tears that Nicole probably is still wildly attracted to Eric and can't help it and hates herself for it because she's made up her mind to be with Brady. Anybody else get that?

Good point.  However, since Arianne is leaving I wonder how this will all turn out.  I so want her with Eric but I don’t want Brady to get hurt.  He’s done so much for her as a friend and lover. 

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Nicole has done great things? I'm neutral on her but I feel her list of horrible things is much longer than her list of anything good, and certainly altruistic, that she has done. 

Not being snarky. I really don't recall anything great/good/altruistic she's done. 

 

I can’t speak on how much bad she’s done since I wasn’t watching when she first arrived.  Concerning Nicole, my introduction came when she was helping EJ campaign for mayor.  She was downright nasty so it took me a while to come around to her.  Now she’s one of my favorite characters.    

As far as good deeds you may be right about her crimes outweighing her good deeds.  Her willingness to be a better person, her being extremely loyal to her friends and her sense of humor and spunk won me over.   

 

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Paul didn't do jack shit to split up Will and Sonny.  Will did that all on his own with his actions in the wake of them sleeping together.  Sonny didn't bail when things got tough.  He bailed because Will wouldn't take responsibility for his actions.

So true.  And even though I like Will I don’t like the idea of him coming back now.  I liked Will & Sonny but I have to say that I like Paul and Sonny too.  I hate when soaps give you a couple and then break them up.  Can’t a coupe ever stay together on a soap for a substantial amount of time? 

As good as the show has been lately, I think I’m gonna stop watching soon.  I don’t want to see Paul hurt.

 

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I had no problems with Brady being awful to Kristen and Theresa. They are both vile and irredeemable.

I totally agree.  Both ladies were wickedly good in their roles but they both did horrible, horrible things. 

[Rowan]

BD was killin' it, today, I'll give him that. I don't give a fig about about Paul. So, I'm totally ok if Sonny finds himself pining for Will in whatever becomes of Chandler's return. 

Gabi looked bee-yoo-ti-ful, today. Ari giving her shit for not letting her go to Grandpa's house for a sleepover was kinda cute.  

 I'm already over these 10 second Chad/Abby fluff scenes. I guess I'm fickle 'cause they are kinda sweet and I did want them reunited, but I'm not happy that they just totally glossed over the breakup. I want a real feakin' discussion about the messy choices they both made. 

Shallow moment alert. This show just does not know how to style Judi Evans. What is with the hair? 

[annabel]

I don't care for Lucas or Bryan Datillo, but what is really bugging me is the goatee-but-not that he's been sporting lately. If he is in such bad shape that he is not shaving, why is it not full-facial-hair?

[Frozendiva]

The only person really on to 'Adrienne's' number seems to be Kate. Spelled it out for her how much she has 'changed'.

Justin not being suspicious that 'Adrienne' wants an interview with Hattie? Since when has Adrienne been a reporter or shown any interest? Thought she was just the manager/co-owner of The Spectator.

Lucas doesn't get a vote as to what Sonny decides to do. He probably thinks that's he drunk and imagining Will. And why would Will go there to find him? Surely he would go to John and Marlena's first.

Chad and Abigail still have a lot of work to do before getting married. I expect a civil ceremony as I don't think that the Catholic church would remarry them. Whatevs.

Can see Eli applying for the new Commissioner position now that he is conveniently out of work.

[lilly6]

BD absolutely killed it today.  He's so underused.  

I love Sonny and Sparkle but I was rooting for Sonny and Sparkle when Will was NuWill.  I loved OldWill and Sonny so I'm looking forward to some delicious love triangle tension involving some pretty, pretty boys.

[DisneyBoy]

I'm curious - was anybody unspoiled for Chandler's return in today's episode?

 

 

I just watched Thursday's episode so I'm still a day behind. I can't believe Adrienne hasn't showed her breast cancer scars to the prison doctor to prove she isn't Bonnie. The plausibility of her continuously getting thrown into solitary as a means of keeping her from revealing the truth to anybody is starting to stretch thin.

I kind of feel like Ron is trying to channel the Reilly era a bit, but he needs to remember that even the wacky stories had satisfying endings back then. If all that's going to happen to Hattie is that she's going to go back to jail, and eventually so will Bonnie, I'm not sure what the point of all of this was except to clean up the mess Dena started in a somewhat entertaining fashion. I have no clue where things are going to go with Bonnie at this point and that makes it harder to care. I like the Bonnie character and if she was in jail because she was originally trying to cover up for her daughter, that makes me think she's kind of a decent person. I'd like to see her have her freedom finally but that's looking increasingly unlikely. And now that I think about it, why would she sneak out of prison and agree to the switch if all she had left was two years? If you've already served ten, what's two more years?

It's strange to care so much about supporting characters that the show rarely uses. I feel bad for these two doppelgangers.

I don't feel badly for Brady however. I know the show is just trying to quickly transition Nicole back into Eric's orbit but man oh man is Brady coming off like a total nightmare. His constant physical reactions to any mention of Eric or someone else going back to their first love makes my skin crawl. They wouldn't even be in their current situation if Eric hadn't saved Nicole from Greece at Brady's request and jeopardized his released from prison in the process. Gratitude much?

 

And what kind of psycho starts arguments with their girlfriend insinuating she's cheating or wants to and then turns on a dime and basically orders her to go back and spend time with the other guy, going so far as to tell her to dial the phone right now?! That's just crazy nuts. If I was Nicole I would be running from the Kiriakis mansion and telling Marlena to give her son some therapy. Brady is really acting like he's moments away from beating her up. I'm not liking this. I think we all need to just see Eric and Nicole get together and have crazy wild sex and enjoy it after five years of circular nonsensical unsatisfying storytelling between them. I don't want to feel badly for Brady or feel frightened on Nicole's behalf about Brady either. Can't we just have Eric and Nicole back together again without it being a ridiculous love triangle?

I would love it if next week Nicole would regrow her spine, tear into Brady for being emotionally abusive and then dump him, prompting him to self-reflect, apologize to Eric and spend some time actually growing up and maybe being a Dad to Tate, who we never see anymore.

isn't Sheila at all worried about basically being an accomplice to Bonnie? She was just released from prison and is now basically aiding a woman in impersonating somebody else. I would think she would steer clear of the whole thing, money be damned.

I miss Anne. She should be all over this Lucas getting dumped plot, especially since substance abuse is involved and we all know she likes to drink and also saw what hardcore partying and addiction did to Theresa.

[WendyCR72]

10 hours ago, Chick2Chic said:

and I wasn't a fan of how he treated Theresa

Theresa tried to kill his father. Brady treating Theresa like shit is the least she deserved.

[superdeluxe]

15 hours ago, Star Aristille said:

What, exactly, were the truth bombs?  Paul didn't do jack shit to split up Will and Sonny.  Will did that all on his own with his actions in the wake of them sleeping together.  Sonny didn't bail when things got tough.  He bailed because Will wouldn't take responsibility for his actions.

 

Thank you.  Paul didn't do anything to split up Will and Sonny.  That was all on Will.  I guess it makes sense for Lucas to whitewash what really happened since Will is his son and all, but still.  There were no truth bombs that were dropped.  Just certain versions of events.

 

I don't care for Lucas.  I have no use for him.  Never have and never will.  So, I didn't see this great acting job going on.  Hell, I laughed when Lucas walked into that church with the brown bag.

[DisneyBoy]

7 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Theresa tried to kill his father. Brady treating Theresa like shit is the least she deserved.

I mean once they realized they were parents. He could have just cut her out of his life calmly, but instead he raged at her then fell back into bed with her. He did the same with Kristen.

 

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I don't care for Lucas.  I have no use for him.  Never have and never will.  So, I didn't see this great acting job going on.  Hell, I laughed when Lucas walked into that church with the brown bag.

Now there's some truth bombs! I never liked Lucas in the 90s because he always seemed to be a whiny Mama's Boy. When he wasn't arguing with his mother he was arguing with Sami and his tone of voice just drove me up the wall. I'm really glad Lucas has a storyline now but I hate the way the whining has crept into it by virtue of the fact that he feels victimized yet again.

And I'm definitely not able to take his pain too seriously when he seems intent on walking into every establishment in town with a beer in his hand and swigging away dramatically. When he wandered over to the hospital drunk after having gone to the pub drunk, it just started to feel like he was 16 year old desperate for attention. I mean really - what kind of person who falls off the wagon immediately starts walking all over town to advertise they're upset and drinking again? It's laughable.

I guess we have to be grateful that Ron is finally letting Lucas mourn in a more realistic way. Dena gave him one day to sob over Will and that was it.

[boes]

13 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Theresa tried to kill his father. Brady treating Theresa like shit is the least she deserved.

But that's why I loved her, finally doing what I've wanted to do to Jawn since his first "pull my finger" moment.

I kid.

A little....

[tribeca]

I found Lucas hard to watch and heartbreaking   

11 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

 

 

And I'm definitely not able to take his pain too seriously when he seems intent on walking into every establishment in town with a beer in his hand and swigging away dramatically. When he wandered over to the hospital drunk after having gone to the pub drunk, it just started to feel like he was 16 year old desperate for attention. I mean really - what kind of person who falls off the wagon immediately starts walking all over town to advertise they're upset and drinking again? It's laughable.

 

As a child of an alcoholic I can tell you those things happen way to often. 

[DisneyBoy]

II am really sorry to hear that, genuinely. I guess I always assumed that there was some shame about being an alcoholic that kept people from just wandering around advertising it. Unless it's someone I ran into in the street after 10 p.m., the only alcoholics I've met were at parties, so I found it weird that Lucas would be wandering around in the middle of the day making a spectacle of himself. It felt like bad writing.

I just watched Friday's episode and I still don't completely love the way Lucas is being performed and written. It feels very sudden and abrupt. Again that may be true to how people fall off the wagon but I wish there was a little bit more finesse in this. I vaguely remember Felicia Galant's alcoholism on Another World and there was something very human about it. Lucas' alcoholism still feels like it's for show, although I think I recall seeing clips of him drinking around Will from waaaaay back in the day when Will was a toddler and Bryan was playing it very similarly, so at least there's some continuity there.

I have felt for a long time and feel still that the show could benefit from some really strong directors guiding the actors and a schedule that would permit for second or third takes. These are obviously passionate performers who want to do their best work. It just feels like the show never gives them the time to really sink their teeth into what they're doing. Lucas' confrontation in the church is a perfect example. The dialogue kept spilling out of him but without any pauses it all went by too fast. It was clearly the highpoint of the episode  but it was over with before we had any time to process it. That, compared to the scenes of Chad and Abigail chit-chatting about nothing. They should have given Bryan more time and a few more takes to really nail how he wanted to deliver Lucas' smackdowns and how they wanted to capture them on film. In the past, the show always knew when to go in for close-ups and how many cameras to have aimed on people when they were reacting to big moments, like Susan's reveal at the wedding to John for example. Looking at Chad and Abigail and Paul today it felt like none of the three actors there were entirely sure how they were supposed to be responding to Lucas. In short, I'm sick of everyone winging it now that there's some good material finally. Rant over!

Even though I knew it was coming, Will's appearance at the end was fittingly mysterious. I like that they're deciding to play him off as an apparition. This was the kind of scene Lucas desperately needed back when Will was murdered. I really feel like we're getting his grief on a massive two-year time delay here. Why was no one allowed to grieve Will?! I'm so glad Ron is bringing Chandler into the fold here but it's just reminding me how cruelly the show ripped him off the canvas and acted like he never existed.

I hope Monday is really good. Wouldn't it be amazing if they just gave us a few long scenes back-to-back of Will talking to Lucas before returning us to the other characters? I don't particularly care what's going on with anybody else right now compared to the reappearance of Will.

 

Hattie and Bonnie making faces behind Justin's back throughout their conversation with him was a lot of fun. I was also pretty impressed that young Arianna is delivering lines already. She was pretty good too.

Lauren really brought the emotion to the table in her scenes as Kate. I loved her tearing into Adrienne, but I think Judi should have probably held back some emotion. Bonnie has only met Lucas like twice and shouldn't be getting all teary-eyed over what she's done to him even if she cares a little bit. She doesn't actually love him, Judi.

That said, it's going to be really hard to say goodbye to Bonnie because I think she has more fun playing that character and Lord knows I have more fun watching that character than Adrienne.

I am so glad Sonny is looking a little bit better now than he was a month ago because I honestly couldn't imagine Paul marrying the creepily bloated greasy haired mafioso that Sonny was.

Question: could Lucas have included his father in the list of people God has taken away from him? Did he ever get to spend any time with his biological Dad? Also why didn't he mention his daughter with Sami who has basically been incommunicado practically for several years now? That's surely eating away at him too.

I did like that Ron set up Kate's willingness to fire Lucas a little while ago if he didn't clean up and then paid it off here. Sad to say, but I would probably do the same as Kate. The only difference would be I wouldn't throw things in his face as much as try to get him into a rehab facility ASAP and make sure he has a friend there to help him through it. Her heart is in the right place but the woman is sometimes as gentle as sandpaper.

I love that someone finally called Paul out on being the thing that came between Will and Sonny. I realize that's an oversimplification but it still strikes me as extremely icky that he would sleep with Will then fight Will to try and get Sonny and then ultimately end up with Sonny because Will was murdered. However nice a guy Paul may be he basically was the end of Will and Sonny's marriage from the minute he came to town. Yes, Will was a douchebag during those months, but still. Paul could have kept his distance and respected Sonny's marriage enough to remove himself for both of their lives. Harsh as it may sound coming from a drunk Lucas, Paul really is a bit of a snake, at least on paper.

I don't understand how either couple can justify asking family and friends to show up for another wedding. Chad and Abigail have to be the town joke by this point, what with her marrying Chad, then nearly burning down his house, escaping a mental Asylum after nearly burning it and herself down, faking her death, coming back but hiding in the attic, asking for a vow renewal and then backing out so he could sleep with her best friend and then promptly marrying her brother. This is their third wedding ceremony in two years...but sure, the church is on board?? And then we have the gay couple, who should have a hard time getting married in that church for obvious reasons (unfortunately), and in this instance the Groom is having his second wedding to the man who slept with his first now deceased husband.

I'm pretty sure the church would just show them the door. Interesting that for both of these couples, this is the first time either of them have considered actually getting married in the church. You think that would have been their first wedding and now they be doing alternative locations.

[jaylee-03031]

I loved the Eli and Gabi scenes but I am kind of afraid to really root for them because of the show has a way of ruining every couple I like by throwing one part of them couple under the bus so the other person can be matched up with someone else.  The exception is Steve and Kayla.  I love them and they are still together.  I was a big fan of Ben and Abby until the show threw Ben under the bus to prop up Chad and Abby.  I know Chad and Abby have their fans but I am not one of them.  I don't like Chad and his stuttering drives me nuts but at least he isn't stuttering quite as much these days.  I hate the horrible way Abby treated Ben.  She cheated on him and lied to him over and over again and even agreed to marry him even though she was cheating on him.  Abby and Chad were self righteous about it and neither of them have ever shown any remorse or cared how badly their actions hurt Ben.  

I think Eli is one of the best newcomers on Days in a long time and he is so hot!  I hope Adrienne gets of prison soon as I am not enjoying watching her suffer or Bonnie.  Maybe the show should have Brady be the next one to have a stint in the sanitarium-he needs some help for his jealousy and control issues and his constant to need to rescue women.  I hope we get to have some Steve and Kayla scenes soon.  Speaking of the Johnson family, did they ever say how long Joey's prison sentence is supposed to be?  I know Steve used his connections to ensure Joey would server his time in a minimum security facility.  Bryan was phenomenal in his scenes on Friday.  I really felt Lucas's pain. 

[Happytobehere]

I tuned in this week to try to be caught up for the Will return.  

I haven't watched so the Marlena/Hattie stuff was meh for me.

I don't like the Adrienne/Bonnie story. So no one, not her brother, not her son, not the man she was married to for almost thirty years realizes that Bonnie is not Adrienne?   Well, guess what group of people would be dead to me once I was finally freed from languishing in jail.  When Kate seems go be suspecting something is up when nobody else is, there's a problem.

I'm glad that CM is back is Will (his Will and Mop Head Will were my favorite portrayals of the character), hopefully it won't simply be dream sequences (which I think is what we saw Friday), of a short term thing to wrap up his story in a way that RC thinks will make people stop hating the show for what happened.

I can't even enjoy Hope anymore because the show has made me hate her.  I never could stand Rafe so every scene with them together and most likely with others will be FF moments for me.  Of the workmen I used to love, the show has ruined Hope and Jennifer for me.  They use Kayla like the show's toilet paper especially when it comes to propping Steve and his never ending assortment of skanks and now the spawns that he produces with them, so I hate the show for that MBE and Kayla deserve better.  Given these things, I guess it's good that I missed the Marlena/Hattie mess.

IMO, Brady has always been an entitled little brat.  The only times I have really liked him was when he and Eric were super close. I don't know whether it is the character or the character, but this version of Brady has always struc me as being a whole lot of nothing. 

Between the horrible "acting" and whatever is going on with JT's face now, the character of Roman needs to be retired.  I mean when DH's face looks more natural and human than JT's face, it is time for the actor/character to be sidelined.

Hopefully I can find a reason to stick with eh show more than a few months this check in.

Edited September 17, 2017 by Happytobehere

[Apprentice79]

8 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

I just watched Friday's episode and I still don't completely love the way Lucas is being performed and written. It feels very sudden and abrupt. Again that may be true to how people fall off the wagon but I wish there was a little bit more finesse in this. I vaguely remember Felicia Galant's alcoholism on Another World and there was something very human about it. Lucas' alcoholism still feels like it's for show, although I think I recall seeing clips of him drinking around Will from waaaaay back in the day when Will was a toddler and Bryan was playing it very similarly, so at least there's some continuity there.

It may seem abrupt to you because the show via Dena and Josh never cared to deal with the fallout of Will's murder. They wanted to erase Will.  They even had Paulson declare their devotion to each other on Will's grave.  Lucas' alcoholism is rooted in his battles with Sami over Will. Yes, Lucas did show a propensity for Alcohol. One of his many scenes with Sami, when he came on the show was Sami calling him out for his consumption of alcohol.  Sami's betrayal in keeping from Will for over 2 years pushed  him over the edge.  Adrienne dumping him was a stressor that pushed him to drink.  

 

8 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

I love that someone finally called Paul out on being the thing that came between Will and Sonny. I realize that's an oversimplification but it still strikes me as extremely icky that he would sleep with Will then fight Will to try and get Sonny and then ultimately end up with Sonny because Will was murdered. However nice a guy Paul may be he basically was the end of Will and Sonny's marriage from the minute he came to town. Yes, Will was a douchebag during those months, but still. Paul could have kept his distance and respected Sonny's marriage enough to remove himself for both of their lives. Harsh as it may sound coming from a drunk Lucas, Paul really is a bit of a snake, at least on paper.

I will always believe that Paul knew that Wilson were married. He is not the saint that the show purports him to be. Will was sacrificed by the writers to elevate Paul as the better partner for Sonny.  The writers did the same thing with Jack in regards to Saint Daniel, the patron saint of lecherous doctors. Both Sonny and Will were responsible for the demise of their marriage.  The show for some bizarre reason wanted to make Will just like Sami, forgetting that Will never had the same trajectory as Sami. Sami's villainy was a series of events that was rooted in Stefano's vendetta against Roman.  

[pau]

2 minutes ago, Apprentice79 said:

  Sami's betrayal in keeping from Will for over 2 years pushed  him over the edge. 

 

 The show for some bizarre reason wanted to make Will just like Sami, forgetting that Will never had the same trajectory as Sami. Sami's villainy was a series of events that was rooted in Stefano's vendetta against Roman.  

Sami's betrayal/lie about Will's paternity actually did last only few months..she DID NOT KNOW the father was Lucas for about two years, she discovered it only few months before she was found out by Carrie, Mike and Eric..She genuinely thought Austin was the father..i guess because she did not even remember she slept with Lucas to begin with..or really really wanted to forget it..lol.

Will could never be like Sami because he does not have her history indeed or even her layers.

[Apprentice79]

3 minutes ago, pau said:

Sami's betrayal/lie about Will's paternity actually did last only few months..she DID NOT KNOW the father was Lucas for about two years, she discovered it only few months before she was found out by Carrie, Mike and Eric..She genuinely thought Austin was the father..i guess because she did not even remember she slept with Lucas to begin with..or really really wanted to forget it..lol.

Will could never be like Sami because he does not have her history indeed or even her layers.

I know that Sami genuinely believed that Austin was the father. However, she chose to suppress it, once she found out and would not let Lucas around Will. From Lucas' perspective, it was a betrayal because they were partners in crime. Plus, even after the paternity reveal, Sami would encourage Will to view Austin as his dad.

Lumi conceived Will at Titan. After Sami felt bad about something and Lucas comforted her. It was a very sweet scene.

Edited September 17, 2017 by Apprentice79

[pau]

56 minutes ago, Apprentice79 said:

I know that Sami genuinely believed that Austin was the father. However, she chose to suppress it, once she found out and would not let Lucas around Will. From Lucas' perspective, it was a betrayal because they were partners in crime. Plus, even after the paternity reveal, Sami would encourage Will to view Austin as his dad.

Lumi conceived Will at Titan. After Sami felt bad about something and Lucas comforted her. It was a very sweet scene.

Yeah she was really rude/cruel after the reveal..she wanted to suppress Lucas's connection to Will..but Lucas was nasty too..began the infamous custody battles years..

The Will conception scene was kind of sweet but also a bit pathetic/sad at the same time..it was not a first love making love for the first time scene but just two friends/frenemies comforting each others..meh..not my cup of tea..i can be romantic..and it was the opposite of romantic to me..i wanted Sami to have a genuine and romantic first time with a guy she loved and who loved her..i was disappointed.

Edited September 17, 2017 by pau

[Apprentice79]

2 minutes ago, pau said:

Yeah she was really rude after the reveal..she wanted to suppress Lucas's connection to Will..but Lucas was nasty too..began the infamous custody battles years..

The Will conception scene was kind of sweet but also a bit pathetic at the same time..it was not a first love making love for the first time scene but just two friends/frenemies comforting each others..meh..not my cup of tea..i can be romantic..and it was the opposite of romantic to me..i wanted Sami to have a genuine and romantic first time with a guy she loved and who loved her..i was disappointed.

I am a Lumi fan and you are an Ejami fan..lol.. We will never agree on who was the right man for Sami...

[pau]

3 minutes ago, Apprentice79 said:

I am a Lumi fan and you are an Ejami fan..lol.. We will never agree on who was the right man for Sami...

I don't even talk about that here honestly..just that i was not a fan of this scene..because like i said it was not genuine romantic love..the guy could have been someone else than Lucas it would have been the same thing for me, it would have had the same effect on me. Shrug.

Edited September 17, 2017 by pau

[JBC344]

I think that scene is quite honestly the cornerstone of their relationship maybe past and present.  It was about two best friends who both needed to feel special and needed to feel mattered that night.  Both Sami and Lucas were in vulnerable positions and needed comfort from the opposite sex.  It never came off as they were doing a favor for one another, in fact if I remember it happened pretty organically and was more instinctual than calculated. 

I also think it was the shows way of saying "look at these two "outcasts" desperately chasing the "prom king/queen" when in actuality they are way more suited for each other."

Speaking of recreating history, I didn't mind when they replicated it with Gaby/Will as best friends, different situation of course but the same sentiment. I think Gabi/Will was just as authentic but more so because of the sexuality angle than the "friendship bond" that Sami and Lucas had.

Edited September 17, 2017 by JBC344

[pau]

23 minutes ago, JBC344 said:

I think that scene is quite honestly the cornerstone of their relationship maybe past and present.  It was about two best friends who both needed to feel special and needed to feel mattered that night.  Both Sami and Lucas were in vulnerable positions and needed comfort from the opposite sex.  It never came off as they were doing a favor for one another, in fact if I remember it happened pretty organically and was more instinctual than calculated. 

I also think it was the shows way of saying "look at these two "outcasts" desperately chasing the "prom king/queen" when in actuality they are way more suited for each other."

Speaking of recreating history, I didn't mind when they replicated it with Gaby/Will as best friends, different situation of course but the same sentiment. I think Gabi/Will was just as authentic but more so because of the sexuality angle than the "friendship bond" that Sami and Lucas had.

I understand this pov but i don't share it.. To me they were not 'best friends'..even at this time but friendly frienemies..it is different and Lucas kept valuating Carrie above Sami even when he was friendly to Sami..she was never 'special' to him and that was a turn off for me..Lucas only showed clear and legitimate interest for Sami when Carrie finally closed the door once and for all..and yet..he never stayed bitter towards her attitude, she used him more than once..whereas with Sami he was always harsh..no matter what.

I did not like the Will/Gabby hook up..male/female frienships are powerful and exist..no need for some shallow hookups..although the plot dictated it in order to give a child to a gay character and then a gay couple..

Edited September 17, 2017 by pau

[A.J.]

14 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

Question: could Lucas have included his father in the list of people God has taken away from him? Did he ever get to spend any time with his biological Dad? Also why didn't he mention his daughter with Sami who has basically been incommunicado practically for several years now? That's surely eating away at him too.

 

Lucas has briefly mentioned Ali.  I can't remember if it was last week or the week before. 

[Sandman]

On 9/15/2017 at 1:41 PM, Apprentice79 said:

Lucas was awesome. Bryan was sublime and I have to thank Ron for giving him a story rooted in Lucas' tortuous history on the show. At his core, Lucas wants love and his kids are the most important people in the world.  Gabi barring Lucas from Ari's life stirred up a lot of bad memories for Lucas' battles with Sami over Will...

The scenes were intense, I agree; but I think Dattilo was a little over-broad, honestly. I think he did a good job, if not exactly a great job, with the material. And I would have felt more moved by his anguish if we'd been allowed to see Lucas actively involved in his younger children's lives lately. Ariana's the only thing left in his life? Uh, sucks to be Allie, I guess. And, c'mon -- Gabi hardly barred Lucas from Ari G's life permanently. More drunken self-pity from Mr. Father of the Year (which is quite realistic in itself, of course).

On 9/15/2017 at 5:36 PM, Star Aristille said:

Paul didn't do jack shit to split up Will and Sonny.  Will did that all on his own with his actions in the wake of them sleeping together.  Sonny didn't bail when things got tough.  He bailed because Will wouldn't take responsibility for his actions.

Yeah -- I think Lucas actually over-stated Paul's responsibility for breaking up the couple; I was never quite sure if, when Paul was involved with Will, he knew that Will was Sonny's husband. It's possible, I suppose. But at least at the beginning, Will wore no wedding ring around Paul. Now, Sparkle's pursuit of his "great love" Sonny after he knew of Sonny's marriage -- and that it was in trouble -- that I can fault Sparkle for (and have done, quite frequently). I also think Lucas was being unfair to Sonny in saying he bailed when things got too tough. But on the whole I'd rather watch scenes like Lucas's, and Kate's with Naydrienne, than any André horseshit or boring Claire and Theo. Or Bonehead Black's latest paranoid flailing. (Geez.)

ETA: I guess I'm assuming that the current hairdo on Judi Evans is a reflection of what Bonnie thinks of as a rich lady's taste in "fancy" hair.

Edited September 18, 2017 by Sandman
I found myself moved by Hattie (and more impressed with DHer) towards the end, but I don't care about Bonnie AT ALL.

[swtrgrl]

Since so many of you have blasted me for being happy with the truth bombs...I'll explain what I thought were TBs and why I think they're TBs:
 

• No, Paul wasn't at fault in the Will cheated scenerio. Never said he was. I don't subscribe to the theory that he knew Will was married; especially not to Sonny. In this he was an innocent party. He was literally trying to get over Sonny and said he could see himself with Will...the understanding, smart, funny guy who helped him through a hard time. 
• But, yes, Paul DID help cause the demise of WilSon. He was everywhere Sonny was ON PURPOSE to try to keep him in his life. He didn't give WilSon room to figure out if they could get over/through the cheating. He was always there hoping to get Sonny back. Paul is not a saint in the aftermath of the cheating reveal. Will pushed it all over the edge with his bullshit scheming, etc... but he acted out like that b/c he was desperate to keep Sonny when Paul was everywhere they were. Yes, Will is to blame for the marriage vow break. Paul definitely contributed after the fact. Don't get me started on Sonny and his enabling of Paul's feelings.
• Ariana situation: Sonny abandoned Ari TWICE. He has never answered for that so Lucas telling him he's not Ari's daughter is plausible in a scrambled drunk mind about authority and places in her life. To outsiders it could seem that Sonny takes responsibility for Ari when it suits him and his needs. I don't feel that way mostly but he should answer for the abandonment.
• Sonny did bail when things got tough. He's always done that. He left and traveled the world after Paul refused his marriage proposal. He left Salem when he found out about Horita sex (AZ to stay with Alex). He left Will to go to Europe after Will's machinations came to light again. Pattern.
• And, god help us all if Sami and Lucas find out about making dates ON WILL'S FRESHLY DUG GRAVE.

And I know this was pointless b/c people either feel one way or the other...I'm just explaining why I loved Lucas' drunken ranting. Your opinions matter. They're not wrong. My opinions matter. They're not wrong.

I loved that Bryan got some great material and IMO, he slayed it! Can't wait for more Chandler today. I've so missed that boy.

Edited September 18, 2017 by swtrgrl

[DisneyBoy]

Very well said. I definitely wouldn't have as much of a problem with Paul as Sonny's man if he hadn't deliberately been sniffing around when he knew his marriage to Will was in trouble. And I found it disgustingly tacky that they were basically making plans to hook up later right over Will's grave. Who does that?

if they had taken some time in the last few months to sort of give us insight into why their relationship works so well, then I might be more on board. But there's really nothing to say about them as a couple. Paul used to play baseball. He didn't want to marry Sonny before because he was in the closet. That's about it. I have no idea what they do when they hang out with one another or what aspects of the relationship are difficult for them.

I wonder with all of their efforts to reference show history whether anyone from the Norita Clan will be making an appearance at the wedding. Paul was supposed to be very close with his mother and grandfather until she basically handed him off to John. None of those people even warrant a mention anymore.

[Apprentice79]

12 minutes ago, swtrgrl said:

Since so many of you have blasted me for being happy with the truth bombs...I'll explain what I thought were TBs and why I think they're TBs:
 

• No, Paul wasn't at fault in the Will cheated scenerio. Never said he was. I don't subscribe to the theory that he knew Will was married; especially not to Sonny. In this he was an innocent party. He was literally trying to get over Sonny and said he could see himself with Will...the understanding, smart, funny guy who helped him through a hard time. 
• But, yes, Paul DID help cause the demise of WilSon. He was everywhere Sonny was ON PURPOSE to try to keep him in his life. He didn't give WilSon room to figure out if they could get over/through the cheating. He was always there hoping to get Sonny back. Paul is not a saint in the aftermath of the cheating reveal. Will pushed it all over the edge with his bullshit scheming, etc... but he acted out like that b/c he was desperate to keep Sonny when Paul was everywhere they were. Yes, Will is to blame for the marriage vow break. Paul definitely contributed after the fact. Don't get me started on Sonny and his enabling of Paul's feelings.
• Ariana situation: Sonny abandoned Ari TWICE. He has never answered for that so Lucas telling him he's not Ari's daughter is plausible in a scrambled drunk mind about authority and places in her life. To outsiders it could seem that Sonny takes responsibility for Ari when it suits him and his needs. I don't feel that way mostly but he should answer for the abandonment.
• Sonny did bail when things got tough. He's always done that. He left and traveled the world after Paul refused his marriage proposal. He left Salem when he found out about Horita sex (AZ to stay with Alex). He left Will to go to Europe after Will's machinations came to light again. Pattern.
• And, god help us all if Sami and Lucas find out about making dates ON WILL'S FRESHLY DUG GRAVE.

And I know this was pointless b/c people either feel one way or the other...I'm just explaining why I loved Lucas' drunken ranting. Your opinions matter. They're not wrong. My opinions matter. They're not wrong.

I loved that Bryan got some great material and IMO, he slayed it! Can't wait for more Chandler today. I've so missed that boy.

Exactly, I love your post. Well said.  Paul presence did exacerbate the tenuous situation between Wilson. When Roman found out about Marlena's infidelity, John left them the hell alone. He wasn't constantly telling Marlena that they belonged together and that Roman sucked.  After all was said and done, Roman chose to leave Marlena.  It took 5 years for John/Marlena to really get together...

[TeeVee329]

36 minutes ago, swtrgrl said:

Ariana situation: Sonny abandoned Ari TWICE.

This is the one I don't get, why it's being held against the character when it's clearly an out-of-show issue.  Freddie Smith Left.  The.  Show.  What were they supposed to do, keep Sonny in town off-screen so we could off-handedly hear he was with Ari sometimes?  Sure, the show could have dropped in more mentions that Sonny was staying in touch, but that's a pretty common thing when characters go off-canvas, out of sight, out of mind.

I mean, wasn't Lucas off-screen for a year or so at some point when Sami was with Rafe, in Hong Kong getting engaged to Summer or Autumn or whatever?  Was he accused of abandoning Allie?

Edited September 18, 2017 by TeeVee329

[Apprentice79]

1 minute ago, TeeVee329 said:

This is the one I don't get, why it's being held against the character when it's clearly an out-of-show issue.  Freddie Smith Left.  The.  Show.  What were they supposed to do, keep Sonny in town off-screen so we could off-handedly hear he was with Ari sometimes?  Sure, the show could have dropped in more mentions that Sonny was staying in touch, but that's a pretty common thing when characters go off-canvas, out of sight, out of mind.

They did the same thing to Steve and I hold that against him for abandoning Joey and Stefanie..

[JBC344]

22 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

This is the one I don't get, why it's being held against the character when it's clearly an out-of-show issue.  Freddie Smith Left.  The.  Show.  What were they supposed to do, keep Sonny in town off-screen so we could off-handedly hear he was with Ari sometimes?  Sure, the show could have dropped in more mentions that Sonny was staying in touch, but that's a pretty common thing when characters go off-canvas, out of sight, out of mind.

I mean, wasn't Lucas off-screen for a year or so at some point when Sami was with Rafe, in Hong Kong getting engaged to Summer or Autumn or whatever?  Was he accused of abandoning Allie?

Actually the show did a lot of work with keeping Lucas and Allie's "offscreen relationship" viable.  Lucas was mentioned a lot not only in the "Your dad is on the phone" mentions but also as Allie missing Lucas.  Culminating in Allie going to live with Lucas in Hong Kong for a few months.

I understand your point but I think you sort of have to judge what the writers actually present to us,  If not you could always use that to justify anyone's behavior.

I think it is important for the show to drop those little mentions here and there without interrupting the flow.  For example, there is no reason that when we didn't see Gabi on screen for a couple of weeks that she couldn't of shown up and said how much her and Ari loved visiting Sonny in Europe.  Or these characters are always running into each other in Horton square how hard is it to mention that you were just talking to so and so on the phone.

I think when the writers don't mention or create a "backstory" of keeping in touch it can be hard to try and figure out if the characters are in fact doing it off screen or if we are supposed to believe they aren't.

[TeeVee329]

11 minutes ago, JBC344 said:

I understand your point but I think you sort of have to judge what the writers actually present to us,  If not you could always use that to justify anyone's behavior.

But I feel like when we're supposed to think a character "abandoned his family", that idea is actually introduced the narrative.  They did it when Jennifer returned sans Jack, when Kayla came back without Steve, when Bo disappeared, etc.  And when Sonny returned to the canvas, nobody acted like he hadn't been in regular contact, IIRC.

Edited September 18, 2017 by TeeVee329

[JBC344]

23 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

But I feel like when we're supposed to think a character "abandoned his family", that idea is actually introduced the narrative.  They did it when Jennifer returned sans Jack, when Kayla came back without Steve, when Bo disappeared, etc.  And when Sonny returned to the canvas, nobody acted like he hadn't been in regular contact, IIRC.

I guess it is a case of show and tell.  If there was never a mention of Sonny breaking contact with Ari then yes, he didn't abandon her, outside of what some consider a parent moving away.  Then yes, your point certainly stands.

As far as Steve and Jack, both men do have a history of bailing on their families so it's very easy to accept/believe that narrative because it fits with their actual character.  Even Bo's reason for leaving, going deep undercover to finally get rid of Stefano was plausible, what wasn't was staying away as long as he did and breaking contact with Hope.  We saw they tried to rectify that, albeit poorly, with the torture storyline.

I think Lucas's statement could be taken as more of a "half truth". In the sense that "How could you leave Ari as a parent considering Will's murder" which is a valid stance vs Sonny moved away for a little while but still kept in touch with Gabi faithfully.  Both could very well be true without anyone being "wrong".

[Apprentice79]

Bryan Dattilo was so good today. I am loving Ron for making Lucas a viable character with how own rich history as a legacy character on the show. He had me in tears..

Ghost Will was everything and I loved him shipping Lumi. As a Lumi fan, it was a treat.  Lumi belong together. 

Poor Paul, I sense that Paulson is not long for the world.  It was  not nice knowing you Paul, go back to the obscurity, where you belong. You are a retcon , a bad one that offends my sensibilities as a long time fan of the show.  I was hooked during the Maison Blanche saga, there is no way that John was with your mom.  If the show wanted to tie him to the show, then, they should have made him Peter's son. John has enough sons, he has Brady, the idiot and Eric who is scared of sex to contend with. Paul as his son was not necessary.  

JJ looks so good with the beard and he looks like Jack.  Please Ron, bring him back. We need a character like Jack on the show. I would kill to see a Steve/Jack scene layered with so much, love, regret, hope, complexity and subtext. Plus, you always have the dark history with Kayla in the background with them..

[swtrgrl]

1 hour ago, TeeVee329 said:

This is the one I don't get, why it's being held against the character when it's clearly an out-of-show issue.  Freddie Smith Left.  The.  Show.  What were they supposed to do, keep Sonny in town off-screen so we could off-handedly hear he was with Ari sometimes?  Sure, the show could have dropped in more mentions that Sonny was staying in touch, but that's a pretty common thing when characters go off-canvas, out of sight, out of mind.

I mean, wasn't Lucas off-screen for a year or so at some point when Sami was with Rafe, in Hong Kong getting engaged to Summer or Autumn or whatever?  Was he accused of abandoning Allie?

By that same logic then

it's not Will's fault for going to CA to be a writer (Chandler took an extra week for his family vacay so they scrambled to come up with reasons he'd leave his baby for 2 weeks or so

it's not Will's fault he went to CA with Sami and cheated (this was a behind the scenes thing wrt Guy/Days)

 

However...to your 2nd point...that is exactly my point...show me. No we didn't need to see Freddie call in to Ari. Tell us it just happened, "hey, sorry I'm late to lunch but it was Sonny's nightly call to Ari and they were reading a book." I'm usually a show me (on screen) person but in this case b/c of actors, etc... at least mention it like it's a regular thing b/c as it stands? Not really a mention of him being in her life at all the 2 times he left.

 

32 minutes ago, Apprentice79 said:

Ghost Will was everything and I loved him shipping Lumi. As a Lumi fan, it was a treat.  Lumi belong together. 

Poor Paul, I sense that Paulson is not long for the world.  It was  not nice knowing you Paul, go back to the obscurity, where you belong. You are a retcon , a bad one that offends my sensibilities as a long time fan of the show.  I was hooked during the Maison Blanche saga, there is no way that John was with your mom.  If the show wanted to tie him to the show, then, they should have made him Peter's son. John has enough sons, he has Brady, the idiot and Eric who is scared of sex to contend with. Paul as his son was not necessary.  

JJ looks so good with the beard and he looks like Jack.  Please Ron, bring him back. We need a character like Jack on the show. I would kill to see a Steve/Jack scene layered with so much, love, regret, hope, complexity and subtext. Plus, you always have the dark history with Kayla in the background with them..

Ghost Will still shipping Lumi was awesome. I'm not for it but it was a great way for Ron to say, "hey, we respect the history and this is where Lucas stands on it." Very well played. Lucas WOULD know that Will has always shipped his parents.

My entire problem with PaulSon is that I'm supposed to believe they're this great love story. They barely told us that much less showed us. I don't feel it and Freddie/Christopher have only the tiniest bit of chemistry. My opinion, of course. 

Edited September 18, 2017 by swtrgrl

[Apprentice79]

1 minute ago, JBC344 said:

As far as Steve and Jack, both men do have a history of bailing on their families so it's very easy to accept/believe that narrative because it fits with their actual character.  Even Bo's reason for leaving, going deep undercover to finally get rid of Stefano was plausible, what wasn't was staying away as long as he did and breaking contact with Hope.  We saw they tried to rectify that, albeit poorly, with the torture storyline.

I hated that narrative about Jack and Steve.  It does not fit their character at all.  They would never abandon their families, especially Steve with his horrific background with his father Duke and his abandonment by his mother Jo, at the orphanage.  He was separated from his baby brother Billy, after promising , that they would always be together.   It fueled his life with so much hatred and bitterness, until he met Kayla,.  Jack the baby brother he always longed for , hurt the woman he loves, in the worst way that you can hurt a woman was compelling drama.   Both Jennifer and Jack bonded over being sent to boarding school, feeling abandoned by their fathers.  Not really feeling loved at all by their fathers.  Anjelica gave Jack, unconditional love, while Tom and Alice nurtured Jennifer.  I hated the writers that wrote Steve and Jack as deadbeat dads. I took umbrage with that type of character assassination on Steve and Jack. The same goes for Bo Brady.. It is that type of  bad writing that alienates fans from the shows..

[swtrgrl]

OMG, today's show was so good. I don't think I'm going to ffd any of it. When was the last time that happened? YEARS.

JJ/Paul: great convo

Lucas/Will: good stuff

Kate/Jen: Needed to happen

Abby/Gabby: Still don't get their friendship but this was a needed convo

Chad/Sonny: Powerful.

Edited September 18, 2017 by swtrgrl

[Apprentice79]

3 minutes ago, swtrgrl said:

OMG, today's show was so good. I don't think I'm going to ffd any of it. When was the last time that happened? YEARS.

The Lucas/ Will scenes were everything...I have always loved Lucas devotion to Will, even before he knew that he was his. He has fought for his son all of his life. I still get chills when I see Lumi seeing their son on that slab in the morgue.  It made their years of warring over Will so meaningless..

Edited September 18, 2017 by Apprentice79

[swtrgrl]

Just now, Apprentice79 said:

The Lucas/ Will scenes were everything...I have always loved Lucas devotion to Will, even before he knew that he was his. He has fought for his son all of his life. I still get chills when I see Lumi seeing their son on that slab in the morgue..

Truth.

[Apprentice79]

4 minutes ago, swtrgrl said:

Truth.

There was a tenderness and wisdom in the Lucas/Will scenes.  Something that I always associated with young Will, not the adult version. The young Will that told Lucas that Sami acted out because she was insecure and that she needed understanding. Lucas got mad and told him to stop reading Marlena's psychology books..lol

[DisneyBoy]

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...when Bo disappeared, etc.  And when Sonny returned to the canvas, nobody acted like he hadn't been in regular contact, IIRC.

But you can't use that as an example because when Peter originally left the show, Bo was taking Caroline to get treatments and then she returned and there were still mentions of him as though he had stayed away and was still in touch with his family. It was only around the time Aiden appeared that they changed things so that Bo hadn't been in touch whatsoever with Hope and had essentially vanished.

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Even Bo's reason for leaving, going deep undercover to finally get rid of Stefano was plausible...

Was that the original reason Bo was staying away after Caroline came back? Because the retcon was that Bo had followed a lead to find a cure for Caroline's Alzheimers and then ultimately was kidnapped and tortured by men who were working for Deimos.

 

...I missed a lot of today's episode, but the few parts I saw seems like everything we've been waiting two years for.

Except that I still think Freddie has become a lousy actor and I still think Sonny is full of it. All their conversation was about was getting Chad to tell him "No, no, its okay, nothing is your fault" and as soon as Chad said that Sonny was back to being happy-go-lucky about the wedding (I don't buy for a second that he listened to that voicemail at all in the last 2 years). I realize Sonny didn't do much to be sorry about, but the way Freddie played those scenes it just felt like he was Kate Mansi's Abigail, saying things without meaning them so that people would feel sorry for her and give her attention.

Christopher did a better job as Paul acknowledging that he should have left their marriage alone, but even then I feel like that should have been a really hard thing for Paul to finally say after all of this time. If they're going to do scenes that finally address how messed up everything was, can the actors at least look like these are deep dark subjects that upset them so much they haven't been able to deal with them before? Show me discomfort on your face! Show me some tears! Squirm a little! You're not talking about the weather - you're talking about the guy that died that both of you kind of screwed over in different ways.

I didn't find Bryan's delivery perfect but he was definitely bringing the most realistic emotions to the table. His last moments with Ghost Will were really, really moving. I wish Freddie and Christopher had gone to those places as well.

Is it some behind-the-scenes joke that Billy Flynn and Freddie Smith have a crush on each other? Because it seemed for over a year now that all of their scenes together involve some kind of bro flirting and Ron knowledging that today by having Chad kiss Sonny was kind of weird. They are always on the verge of laughter in their scenes and it bugs me. Stay in character!

I'll have more to say once I've watched the whole show properly tomorrow. But I'm looking forward to it. On paper this episode sounds like it was basically perfect.

 

 

And to whoever pointed out that JJ now suddenly looks like Jack, I noticed that too! It's like the beard changed the way I viewed the shape of JJ's chin LOL.

[Silver Raven]

Dammit, our cable is out today.  Can't watch today's Lucas/Will scenes till tomorrow.  :'(