Current Plots Discussion: Actually Today's Episode

[tribeca]

Does Maggie know her daughter is back ?

[Frozendiva]

The Renee character is irritating. Sarah looks at a picture of Sarah but sees Renee in the mirror instead. Has she seen a photo of Renee? She's aware of smartphones with cameras but lives in the past of 35 years ago? Don Craig vanished 35 years ago but she is still young and vibrant? She wants to evict Anna and force Tony to sign divorce papers? Uh, why is she allowed to stay in the home? Plus she thinks Xander is Alex Marshall, again from 35 years ago? Time sort of has stopped in some ways, but in others?

Gwen talking to God and asking for a miracle? Uh, actions do have consequences. There are tests and rewards. Of course, the blackmailing pilot came back for more money. Where will Gwen get $1 million? And now the pilot is faking being Saul Goodman (lawyer) to get Ava out of her predicament?

Was the DiMera board meeting even legal with so few attendees and no proxies?

Gabi, you did one smart thing to tell Jake all about the crimes he didn't commit. And now he's found JDevil - the Salem brain cells may start to fire up. Don't get used to your new office, Gabi. Chad can recall another meeting and things will go back to normal.

JohnnyAngel?

 

[brisbydog]

32 minutes ago, tribeca said:

Does Maggie know her daughter is back ?

Nope

[Peanut6711]

1 hour ago, tribeca said:

Does Maggie know her daughter is back ?

No, Kayla didn't want to upset her. 🙄  I guess notifying emergency contacts is another health ethic that Kayla plays fast and loose with.

[DaphneCat]

1 hour ago, brisbydog said:

Oh and Tony, grow a pair and tell FauxRenee that you are not getting divorced. Spell it out for her. 

THIS!  Or at least, tell her that you will have NOTHING to do with her until she goes back to the hospital and willingly submits to any and all tests/treatment that Kayla and/or Kayla's designee orders.  Give Anna a big kiss in front of her to drive the point home.

[DaphneCat]

Forgot to mention, one of the ONLY highlights of today's show was Attorney Ned introducing himself as "Saul Goodman."  Of course, they'll ruin it by not having anyone get the reference.

[Frozendiva]

6 minutes ago, DaphneCat said:

Forgot to mention, one of the ONLY highlights of today's show was Attorney Ned introducing himself as "Saul Goodman."  Of course, they'll ruin it by not having anyone get the reference.

I laughed at the reference. Better Caul Saul starts in April.

[DaphneCat]

58 minutes ago, Frozendiva said:

I laughed at the reference. Better Caul Saul starts in April.

Thanks, I was wondering when it was coming back.

[Frozendiva]

1 minute ago, DaphneCat said:

Thanks, I was wondering when it was coming back.

I believe the final season starts April 18.

[peachmangosteen]

13 hours ago, Kitty Redstone said:

Not that I mind, because JoDevil is fun to watch, but why does the Devil want Dimera anyway?  Is there a reason besides causing trouble for EJ, Tony, Chad, et al?

It seems like the devil just enjoys fucking with people, which is why the devil is so much fun to me.

11 hours ago, tribeca said:

Does Maggie know her daughter is back ?

That's another issue with this. I cut them some slack because maybe they can't get SR on screen.

[kitmerlot1213]

Re:  Abigail's kidnapping:  I just realized that this is the first time something bad has happened to Abs that Gabi wasn't automatically blamed for--WOO HOO, progress--but she's still on the whole "CEO of DIMera" hamster wheel and I'm ready for a new storyline.

I'm kind of liking the Belle/EJ scenes--they seem refreshingly adult.

Susan still bugs and SH plays the character like she's brain damaged--it is not pleasant to watch.

[buffynut]

I enjoyed the show for the most part today.  Even Jake, JohnnyDevil, Gabi, Chad, as well as Clyde and Orpheus.  And,  not sure it it's because of the chemistry between him and Belle, but I'm really liking nu-EJ. 

The only weak part was Susan.   Laughed though when I recalled someone on this forum, I think, saying last week Kristin had to go away so Stacy could put in the false teeth as Susan was coming back to Salem. Speaking of her teeth, thought she had them fixed when she took Kristen's place in prison.  Guess it wasn't a permanent fix. LOL

[Kitty Redstone]

Is there some serious retconning going on with Clyde and EJ?  While I remember Clyde being into meth or some other drug trade, I have no memory of him and EJ being in the drug running business together.  Also, I thought Clyde himself stabbed EJ at the park or the woods or something, for reasons I don't remember.  But today it was implied that Clyde's henchmen shot EJ.  Now most days I'm only half paying attention while working, and my memory for this kind of stuff is usually absolute shit anyway, but WTF? 

 

ETA:  Also, I hope this is the end of Jake and Gabi.  I'd like to see him with someone else.

Edited March 8, 2022 by Kitty Redstone

[auchic]

I turned on the TV just in time to see stupid Jake's dumb ass get smacked by JDevil and then by Gabi, so my week is made.

[buffynut]

I was just newly back watching Days when EJ got shot, so I don't remember much about it. But here's what Wiki has to say about it:

EJ has a confrontation with Clyde over Salem's drug territory and is betrayed, shot, and killed by his disloyal bodyguard, Miguel. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EJ_DiMera

[Kitty Redstone]

Thanks, @buffynut!  So strange that I don't really remember any of this, most especially EJ being in the drug business.

[Peanut6711]

LOL @ Clyde reading chick lit. Loved seeing Orpheus back. Those two are always a fun pairing the way they verbally spar with each other.  Was Orpheus trimming his nails or winding his watch though when he was talking to Clyde?

Sadly, NuEJ seems to lack chemistry with both. He's just too stiff and doesn't have the charisma JS brought to the role. Really wish they would have just cast him as Andrew Donovan instead. 

12 minutes ago, Kitty Redstone said:

Is there some serious retconning going on with Clyde and EJ?  While I remember Clyde being into meth or some other drug trade, I have no memory of him and EJ being in the drug running business together.  Also, I thought Clyde himself stabbed EJ at the park or the woods or something, for reasons I don't remember.  But today it was implied that Clyde's henchmen shot EJ.  Now most days I'm only half paying attention while working, and my memory for this kind of stuff is usually absolute shit anyway, but WTF? 

Clyde and EJ only went into business together at the very end of JS's run, like maybe only a few weeks at best before EJ was shot/killed. It did come across as a rushed storyline ending despite the show knowing for a year that both AS and JS were leaving.  The "murder" took place in Murder Park, of course. 

[Kitty Redstone]

Thank you, @Peanut6711!  It makes me feel better that it was a rushed storyline, lol! 

Edited March 8, 2022 by Kitty Redstone

[Peanut6711]

19 minutes ago, Kitty Redstone said:

Thank you, @Peanut6711!  It makes me feel better that it was a rushed storyline, lol! 

You're welcome! Their business relationship was a "blink of the eye" "we need to do a quick wrap-up/character exit" storyline so easy to be missed or forgotten.  I always thought it didn't fit with either EJ or Clyde's character back then so hope they can make something worthwhile out of it now.  Honestly, I never realized that until the other week that EJ didn't know who "killed" him or that Clyde was never caught since he was already in jail. 

[peachmangosteen]

2 hours ago, Peanut6711 said:

Was Orpheus trimming his nails or winding his watch though when he was talking to Clyde?

He was clipping his nails. It was hilarious. But then he started biting them and I got grossed out lol.

So, does everyone wanna take bets on how long it is until Belle and EJ fuck? 

This episode reminded me that I need Chad and Gabi to have some hate sex.

I hope this Jake/Gabi breakup turns permanent because they are SO terrible together. I’d even be willing to see Jake with someone else even though I think he’s pointless and should go.

[CanaryFan98]

They could have Jake/Gwen reunite(and preferably leave town together) I actually liked both characters a lot better back then when they were together.

[tribeca]

The devil has the man in black memory eraser!

[Artsda]

Chad deserved his being fired again for his perjuy and lying about EJ.  He caused all this with sending an innocent brother to jail.

 

[Frozendiva]

Clyde is reading 'The Devil Wears Prada'? I liked seeing Orpheus again. Clyde did trigger an EJ memory with what he said about a cushy life.

Susan Banks, can you put some clothes on so you don't look like someone whose house was on fire and you reached in the closet for almost anything? You couldn't sense anything with your grandson? Seriously? Granted, you did but you got the memory wipe.

Poor Jake. He dances with the Devil and gets his memory wiped. Surely that thud sound that Gabi and Chad heard was him being thrown on the desk/table. He did tell Gabi that Johnny is a creep. Guess he may put things together once Ben tells him that he suspects that the Devil is still around and possibly in Johnny. I am assuming he will tell him that theory.

Ciara is looking much larger now. Guess she got a new belly prop.

I can see a Belle and EJ hookup. They at least have some chemistry together.

[boes]

Sorry.  Clyde Weston and Orpheus in their scenes reminded me a lot more of Grannie Clampett and Ernest T. Bass than they did as two fearsome criminals.  The resemblance is uncanny.

I was waiting for the hoedown to start.

Maybe Susan can lead the dance.

[WendyCR72]

5 hours ago, Artsda said:

Chad deserved his being fired again for his perjuy and lying about EJ.  He caused all this with sending an innocent brother to jail.

 

Meh, I just consider it karma. EJ is not innocent. He is still a rapist, so his being in prison seems like a great move to me. So it's for a different crime that he didn't do. I just consider it a delay in where he should have been all along.

And I don't even like Chad.

[4evaQuez]

20 hours ago, kitmerlot1213 said:

Re:  Abigail's kidnapping:  I just realized that this is the first time something bad has happened to Abs that Gabi wasn't automatically blamed for--WOO HOO, progress--but she's still on the whole "CEO of DIMera" hamster wheel and I'm ready for a new storyline.

Gwen is now the permanent villain in Abby's life. I don't know if anyone here used to watch Knot's Landing, but there was a tragic heroine named Valene Ewing. One of the many people who attempted to kill her mocked her before by saying: "Poor Val! Poor, poor Val!" At this point, it's "Poor Abby! Poor, poor Abby!" 

The show is just stupid at this point. I watched the past two episodes this morning and between Sarahnee and JoDevil, two major characters aren't even their true selves. Ron is so obsessed with multiple personalities that he's had to incorporate Satan and fictional, mind altering drugs because he refuses to write for the characters he has on cast.

We're fast approaching the point where both of Bope's children are useless. 

I wouldn't mind another Daysaster at this point. It's been a decade since the last one, and there are so many characters I want off this current cast.

Edited March 9, 2022 by 4evaQuez

[peachmangosteen]

7 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Meh, I just consider it karma. EJ is not innocent. He is still a rapist, so his being in prison seems like a great move to me. So it's for a different crime that he didn't do. I just consider it a delay in where he should have been all along.

And I don't even like Chad.

I love this new EJ and I go back and forth on Chad but I agree with this. 

23 minutes ago, 4evaQuez said:

The show is just stupid at this point.

It really is. That's probably why I enjoy it so much lately. Stupid and bad tv is my bread and butter lol.

[Peanut6711]

10 hours ago, boes said:

Sorry.  Clyde Weston and Orpheus in their scenes reminded me a lot more of Grannie Clampett and Ernest T. Bass than they did as two fearsome criminals.  The resemblance is uncanny.

I was waiting for the hoedown to start.

Maybe Susan can lead the dance.

I continue to hold out hope that Orpheus will get his groove back some day.  Now Clyde and Susan....oh they're lost causes. 

[Sidney]

3 hours ago, 4evaQuez said:

Gwen is now the permanent villain in Abby's life. I don't know if anyone here used to watch Knot's Landing, but there was a tragic heroine named Valene Ewing. One of the many people who attempted to kill her mocked her before by saying: "Poor Val! Poor, poor Val!" At this point, it's "Poor Abby! Poor, poor Abby!" 

The show is just stupid at this point. I watched the past two episodes this morning and between Sarahnee and JoDevil, two major characters aren't even their true selves. Ron is so obsessed with multiple personalities that he's had to incorporate Satan and fictional, mind altering drugs because he refuses to write for the characters he has on cast.

We're fast approaching the point where both of Bope's children are useless. 

I wouldn't mind another Daysaster at this point. It's been a decade since the last one, and there are so many characters I want off this current cast.

There it is right there, lol.

And sadly, the only characters he would only want to leave behind is Hattie, Bonnie, Paulina, Leo, etc, etc,,,,,,,,,

Edited March 9, 2022 by Sidney

[brisbydog]

For as much as I complain about this show, I am exceedingly grateful that Rafe's trial is all off screen and so is he!

[Pearson80]

4 hours ago, 4evaQuez said:

Gwen is now the permanent villain in Abby's life. I don't know if anyone here used to watch Knot's Landing, but there was a tragic heroine named Valene Ewing. One of the many people who attempted to kill her mocked her before by saying: "Poor Val! Poor, poor Val!" At this point, it's "Poor Abby! Poor, poor Abby!" 

The show is just stupid at this point. I watched the past two episodes this morning and between Sarahnee and JoDevil, two major characters aren't even their true selves. Ron is so obsessed with multiple personalities that he's had to incorporate Satan and fictional, mind altering drugs because he refuses to write for the characters he has on cast.

We're fast approaching the point where both of Bope's children are useless. 

I wouldn't mind another Daysaster at this point. It's been a decade since the last one, and there are so many characters I want off this current cast.

I hate Gwen more than Abby . I find Abby to be just as vile as her retcon sister. My beef with Gwen has to do with the fact that her existence has ruined Jack in my eyes..

Ron is a hack who has ruined so many characters for what exactly..

Bope's children have been useless for a while now, especially Sean-Douglas who serves no purpose.  The show does not even try to give him any type of personality.  At least Ciara was interesting when Lauren Boyles was in the role.. They ruined her when they aged Ciara for a stupid rape storyline that went nowhere. 

Edited March 9, 2022 by Pearson80

[Peanut6711]

Salem doesn't have a pharmacy? Or Ciara is so special that she has the Chief of Staff refill her prescriptions on top of all of Kayla's other duties/specialties? 

 

[peachmangosteen]

3 hours ago, Peanut6711 said:

Salem doesn't have a pharmacy? Or Ciara is so special that she has the Chief of Staff refill her prescriptions on top of all of Kayla's other duties/specialties? 

We have a pharmacy inside the local hospital so it doesn't seem that odd to me.

I didn't fast forward any of this ep. It's been awhile!

I love seeing Tripp have a little fire. Please give him something else to do besides being a boring drip, show! Also, him and Chanel have about 100 times more chem than him and Allie do.

[Peanut6711]

1 hour ago, peachmangosteen said:

We have a pharmacy inside the local hospital so it doesn't seem that odd to me.

I imagine most hospitals do but is more often used by people who've been in the hospital for something and are filling a prescription on their way home.  I can't say I know anyone in the real-world who uses it on a regular outpatient basis. My mom even worked at the hospital the whole time I was growing up so she was there every day and still didn't get our family's prescriptions there.  Plus, you can get over the counter prenatal vitamins. Don't even need a prescription.  But then Ciara also went to the hospital to have her pregnancy confirmed so she seems to run there for everything.  I guess she uses their supply closet when she runs out of band-aids at home too. 

[peachmangosteen]

I actually do know people who use the pharmacy in the hospital as their pharmacy so it didn’t register to me at all. And maybe she wanted a prescription so her insurance would pay for it lol.

Speaking of Ciara, it took me awhile to remember she used to date Tripp. I feel like they haven’t crossed paths in like at least a year.

[Sidney]

5 minutes ago, Peanut6711 said:

I imagine most hospitals do but is more often used by people who've been in the hospital for something and are filling a prescription on their way home.  I can't say I know anyone in the real-world who uses it on a regular outpatient basis. My mom even worked at the hospital the whole time I was growing up so she was there every day and still didn't get our family's prescriptions there.  Plus, you can get over the counter prenatal vitamins. Don't even need a prescription.  But then Ciara also went to the hospital to have her pregnancy confirmed so she seems to run there for everything.  I guess she uses their supply closet when she runs out of band-aids at home too. 

Since the writers finally decided to pry her away from making out with her serial killer husband more than five minutes, they could have just put in a few lines to say she was going to go check up on her aunt Kayla, you know, since she might have gotten killed or worst. But it was all just a lame plot point so she could run into Tripp, so she and psycho hubby could piece together that Johnny is the one now running around with the yellow eyes. 

[tribeca]

Belle has bad luck with coats.  
Chad is not scary.  
Bens reactions to Susan crack me up. 
Ciara was very kind and lovely with Tripp.  It was interesting to see her focused on something besides Ben.  I really feel she could be a good character.  

[Swartz]

Ron's writing is as bad as Dena's.   I fear he's going to be the one to get this show cancelled and we're stuck with him writing the end of the show 

[Artsda]

Chad was a douchebag to Belle, he'll deserve jail time for perjuy.  He also doesn't get his lying set off his losing the ceo job he's screaming at at her over.

Allie is claiming she loves Tripp but she's not acting like it. Chanel can shut up too she's no friend of Tripp and liar. 

 

[norahs99]

I find this show pretty boring now so I'm going to stop watching until it gets interesting again. I'll read recaps so I know when to start watching again.

[Kitty Redstone]

12 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

It really is. That's probably why I enjoy it so much lately. Stupid and bad tv is my bread and butter lol.

Oh then you should watch Six Million Dollar Man and Buck Rogers on the weekends.  I watch sometimes when it's late and nothing else is on and just laugh.  These shows were on network television for crying out loud!

3 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

Speaking of Ciara, it took me awhile to remember she used to date Tripp. I feel like they haven’t crossed paths in like at least a year.

I forgot all about that.  Isn't that initially what turned poor Claire into a fire-starting crazy person?

[Frozendiva]

Belle, you still have that red coat that Jan took to frame you for killing Charlie? I thought JDevil glamored Susan so she'd see the 666 on the coat. That is a bit obvious for the Devil to do, really. How could Susan be so stupid? Uh, nevermind.

So Ben did tell Jake his suspicion that Jake had a run-in with JDevil. At least he can now put 1 and 1 together.

Chanel, you are not Tripp's friend. Both you and Allie need to figure out what if anything you want from each other, whether any sort of relationship is possible with the two of you. It may not be now, but it could happen a few years from now. Maybe get some counselling to see what both of you want. It is not fair to any other people. Tripp needs to find a better woman who sees him for the current nice guy that he is. Maybe he does have a dark side.

Allie, why are you crying on Nicole's shoulders? You could have stopped any romantic interaction with Chanel, stayed on her couch, and left the next day.

Oh goody, now Susan Banks thinks Belle is possessed. Sigh.

[buffynut]

I'm a Cin fan, but they have way too many scenes with just the 2 of them. So today was nice seeing Ciara talking to someone else, even if it was just Tripp.  LOL

And though I can't stand Jake with Gabi, I've always like his friendship with Ben, so enjoyed those scenes.  I think I could like the Jake character if they got him away from Gabi.  I think someone already suggested this, but maybe put him back with Gwen.

[peachmangosteen]

13 hours ago, Swartz said:

Ron's writing is as bad as Dena's.   I fear he's going to be the one to get this show cancelled and we're stuck with him writing the end of the show 

Ron's writing hasn't gotten it cancelled yet so I feel pretty confident his writing won't be what gets Days cancelled. It'll get cancelled when or if it just doesn't make any business sense for it to continue.

10 hours ago, Kitty Redstone said:

Oh then you should watch Six Million Dollar Man and Buck Rogers on the weekends.  I watch sometimes when it's late and nothing else is on and just laugh.  These shows were on network television for crying out loud!

Well well well, let me google those lol.

[buffynut]

11 hours ago, Kitty Redstone said:

Oh then you should watch Six Million Dollar Man

Do you mean the original 1970's version, or is there a new one.  I loved Steve Austin, as well as Jamie Sommers and her spinoff The Bionic Woman.  

And really, compared to the crazy things that happen on Days, they were were probably less out there.  I mean, didn't Steve get implanted with an eye that could record things?  Steve Johnson, that is, not the 6 million dollar Steve.  LOL.  And that's not even getting to the "essence of Stefano" thing, and the magical masks that change a person's voice, and also body size. 🙄

Edited March 10, 2022 by buffynut

[4evaQuez]

On 3/7/2022 at 8:53 PM, tribeca said:

Does Maggie know her daughter is back ?

The bigger question is, "Does she care that her daughter is back?" I know I don't.

20 hours ago, brisbydog said:

For as much as I complain about this show, I am exceedingly grateful that Rafe's trial is all off screen and so is he!

I find it hilarious that Ciara is completely absent from this storyline considering the show was trying to sell some Father/Daughter relationship with the two just a few years ago.

If the show was better written, Johnny's complete absence from this storyline should be suspicious since we actually saw the great bond between Rafe/Johnny when Johnny was a kid. Rafe actually was a second father to Johnny and that seems like a better suspicion for Johnny than shapeshifting and an upside down cross.

14 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

Speaking of Ciara, it took me awhile to remember she used to date Tripp. I feel like they haven’t crossed paths in like at least a year.

I only remember because the show attempted to revisit Ciara's rape storyline with the two. I don't remember where that went or if the storyline ever had a real conclusion.

This is also when the show was trying to do a Ciara/Ben/Claire/Tripp quad. I use the word "quad" quite loosely as Cin was obviously the root for couple. The four were living together for some reason, and there's a scene of Ben creepily watching Ciara/Tripp in the apartment as Ben is eating an entire box of cereal even though a lengthy amount of time obviously passed; he eats the box of cereal in all of their scenes. Ron then jokes on Twitter about Ben being a "Cereal killer." This, ladies and gentlemen, is our witty and creative head writer. 

14 hours ago, Sidney said:

Since the writers finally decided to pry her away from making out with her serial killer husband more than five minutes, they could have just put in a few lines to say she was going to go check up on her aunt Kayla, you know, since she might have gotten killed or worst. 

Does Ciara even know about this? She doesn't interact with anyone involved: Kayla, Steve, Sarahnee, Xander, Gwen, Ava, Abby, Jen, Jack, Tony, Chad, Anna. Even Maggie doesn't know presumably, and Maggie at least regularly shares scenes with Xander. Maggie has also shared scenes with Jen/Jack/Gwen/Abby more recently than Ciara's shared scenes with any of the characters mentioned.

I guess I could see Jen telling Julie and Julie telling Ciara. 

Am I the only one who thinks the word "bitch" is used too casually on this show.

I actually meant to write about yesterday's episode, and I already forgot most of what happened.

Edited March 10, 2022 by 4evaQuez

[peachmangosteen]

3 minutes ago, 4evaQuez said:

The four were living together for some reason, and there's a scene of Ben creepily watching Ciara/Tripp in the apartment as Ben is eating an entire box of cereal even though a lengthy amount of time obviously passed; he eats the box of cereal in all of their scenes. Ron then jokes on Twitter about Ben being a "Cereal killer."

Ah, I do remember that scene. Loved it. That was back when I enjoyed Ben before he and Ciara became such smug, boring assholes.

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Am I the only one who thinks the word "bitch" is used too casually on this show.

I don't even notice it. I cuss so much in real life that it takes a lot for it to register for me on TV lol.

[DisneyBoy]

On 3/8/2022 at 1:07 PM, kitmerlot1213 said:

Susan still bugs and SH plays the character like she's brain damaged--it is not pleasant to watch.

Her hands start flapping before her yap even does. I'm 200% over it. Stacy needs to leave.

On 3/8/2022 at 10:58 PM, Frozendiva said:

Susan Banks, can you put some clothes on so you don't look like someone whose house was on fire and you reached in the closet for almost anything?

THIS. The Ugly Betty on Acid clashing patterns aren't funny or cute. They're hideous.

On 3/8/2022 at 6:23 PM, peachmangosteen said:

This episode reminded me that I need Chad and Gabi to have some hate sex.

Yes. Loooooong overdue.

On 3/8/2022 at 6:23 PM, peachmangosteen said:

I hope this Jake/Gabi breakup turns permanent because they are SO terrible together.

Also yes.

I was confused to see Orpheus and Clyde so weirdly adversarial in their scenes this week considering they had broken out of jail together during the Seige storyline. Wouldn't there be some camaraderie between them?

Is SR alright? Is she off-camera due to the budget or personal health reasons...? I hope she's ok.

...and why is Rafe on trial?

Edited March 10, 2022 by DisneyBoy

[Peanut6711]

25 minutes ago, DisneyBoy said:

I was confused to see Orpheus and Clyde so weirdly adversarial in their scenes this week considering they had broken out of jail together during the Seige storyline. Wouldn't there be some camaraderie between them?

...and why is Rafe on trial?

Rafe is on trial for being a dirty cop. Ava set him up.  

After the prison break and they were back in jail, Clyde stabbed Orpheus because Orpheus took over the Ciara hostage situation from Vincent, and then Orpheus's son killed Rhodes and took over his job.  Orpheus is, no doubt, not feeling too warm and fuzzy about Clyde after being shanked.