Bethenny Frankel: Skinny Girl

[Knuckles]

On August 5, 2016 at 0:17 AM, zoeysmom said:

She is with a shylock,

Thanks to jinjer and zooeysmom for the heads-up on this jackal. Yeah, he's an "investment banker" all right...in his dreams. Like the guys who run payday loan scams, or the thugs who run loan-sharking operations. So, Bethy has finally found her level, hooked up with pond scum. No wonder she doesn't want this guy on camera...it would bring up so many ugly stories. But for the record, if she is with this guy, then she has no decency at all. And his abandoned wife does not get a pass on this either...she knows how he makes his money, and she lived with it for years. All three of them are repellent trash.

[breezy424]

What's amazing to me in this is that Beth has stated that she will never get legally married again....so what does their net worth have to do with it?  And even if she would get married again, it's so shallow and telling.  It's just another clue into who Beth is as a person.  It's really kind of sad.  Not every person's passion is about making  money.  Many passions are about helping people and making the world a better place.  Thank God.  Beth has no interest in these people.  Her loss.

[LIMOM]

6 hours ago, Petunia13 said:

Bethanny is full of shit with this bragging that's she's friends with billionaires. "Who bitch?" They aren't that common and not only that but this is the same woman who entire year complained how alone she was and promoted that her only "friends" where coworker/sycophant Carole and her paid employees. Keep your stories  straight! 

Also her bf/crook cheater fiancé looks like a dick. Like in pics he has he expression of jerk & he resembles a penis. 

Well she also claimed that Miley Cyrus knows her....

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

On 7/24/2016 at 4:52 PM, QuinnM said:

Gotcha.  I don't think she exaggerates on everything.  I don't think she's exaggerating on this.  She had antibiotics on Monday so that schedule is doable.  

If you have antibiotics on Monday and you are 102 on Wednesday then you should be in an ER. 

On 7/26/2016 at 10:24 PM, tenativelyyours said:

 

In Frankelstein's monster's own social media she is the director, producer and star.  Knowing that the only reason anyone is reading/following etc, is because of HER.  HER.  Still don't see why she is always so happy in something devoted completely utterly and without any equivocation to HER?

 

She is too sick to see it. Bethenny is mentally ill. Her unresolved issues from her childhood are still front and center and a raging inferno. She is ruining her child, her success, and her life. It is getting to be as sad to watch as Sonja's desperation. She needs 3-4X a week therapy with a real therapist not on TV, not Dr. No Socks. Hell, one day a week should be with Jason Hoppy. They need to do what is best for Brynn and figure out how to do it. 

On 8/2/2016 at 2:12 PM, islandgal140 said:

 

I remember around the time that Luann outed B as dating a married man that if Lu brought this up at the reunion, B would go up in flames like a dumpster fire on wheels rolling into a runaway train car full of gasoline.  I am betting that this is what sets her off - having her shit put on blast!!! But yet B can run to the media and talk about how Tom was with both Sonja and Ramona and have spies posted in every bar in NYC and report back to her on the goings on of Lu and Tom and air it out nationally. Bitch bye!! 

DYING. lol! Good I hope Luann calls her out. Everyone's dirty laundry has been Bethenny's oxygen this season, and nothing, NOTHING. On Bethenny that is real honest or true. Manipulating Andy into her doing a scene by scene of "Bethenny Starting Over" is going to cost this Franchise HUGELY. Coca Cola tried NEW Coke in the 80's and that FLOPPED, and this is much of the same. Bad gamble Andy! 

[Jextella]

What other products does Betheny sell that are successful beyond Skinny Girl?  

[WireWrap]

14 minutes ago, Jextella said:

What other products does Betheny sell that are successful beyond Skinny Girl?  

I'm not so sure she can claim they are her products. She seems to partner with companies that pay to use her SKG logo to sell their products now. When was the last time that Bethenny had an original product of her own?

[zoeysmom]

1 hour ago, Jextella said:

What other products does Betheny sell that are successful beyond Skinny Girl?  

The Skinnygirl label is on over 100 products.  If you live in California where I do, I see the sweetener, SK Margarita on the grocery shelves.  All these different companies are launching a product hoping it catches on.  Many posters have said they have seen the products in close out stores.  She still makes money but maybe not at the same level. Most recently Bethenny is hawking luggage. I have no idea what Skinnygirl has to do with luggage.

The way Bethenny makes money is she receives from 4-10% of the wholesale price of her products.  Even Sonja Morgan when she was getting her handed to her on a platter acknowledged Bethenny's deal.  Motorcitymom is well versed in how all of this works and can speak to it far more eloquently than I can.

[Jextella]

1 hour ago, WireWrap said:

I'm not so sure she can claim they are her products. She seems to partner with companies that pay to use her SKG logo to sell their products now. When was the last time that Bethenny had an original product of her own?

 

I recall reading an article about how the HW's just get their names slapped on a product, e.g. Ramona's Pinot Grigio - which we haven't seen yet this season (did this go belly up?).  Very few have developed companies on their own.  I guess Skinny Girl counts but the rest of her stuff is more like this:

15 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

The Skinnygirl label is on over 100 products.  If you live in California where I do, I see the sweetener, SK Margarita on the grocery shelves.  All these different companies are launching a product hoping it catches on.  Many posters have said they have seen the products in close out stores.  She still makes money but maybe not at the same level. Most recently Bethenny is hawking luggage. I have no idea what Skinnygirl has to do with luggage.

The way Bethenny makes money is she receives from 4-10% of the wholesale price of her products.  Even Sonja Morgan when she was getting her handed to her on a platter acknowledged Bethenny's deal.  Motorcitymom is well versed in how all of this works and can speak to it far more eloquently than I can.

 

[zoeysmom]

I think Bethenny referred to Ramona's hooch as a vanity brand.  Early on Ramona said, "other people's money and I believe she had success with the first 6,000 cases.  It is a white wine, which means tick-tock and now she has another batch she ordered and there were no takers.  Even her link to where to buy said the no longer carry the product. My guess is Ramona originally got someone to shill her hooch and now there are no takers,  Same with her jewelry and facial products.

[Petunia13]

My store which is a big chain is discontinuing half of the little skinny girl shit they carry. Stevia and some agave  junk. 

[ryebread]

18 hours ago, Jextella said:

I recall reading an article about how the HW's just get their names slapped on a product, e.g. Ramona's Pinot Grigio - which we haven't seen yet this season (did this go belly up?).  Very few have developed companies on their own.  I guess Skinny Girl counts but the rest of her stuff is more like this:

Anyone remember Gretchen Christine Beaute?

Or Radzi's jewelry line?  

Does anyone believe Carole designed, or would ever wear, this stuff?

I don't. She slapped her name on some Made in China trinkets trying to make a buck.  I'm surprised she picked those, though.

[NewDigs]

47 minutes ago, ryebread said:

Anyone remember Gretchen Christine Beaute?

Or Radzi's jewelry line?  

Does anyone believe Carole designed, or would ever wear, this stuff?

I don't. She slapped her name on some Made in China trinkets trying to make a buck.  I'm surprised she picked those, though.

Kelly's retro-crap was cuter.

Those don't look like Carole's "style" at all. And a big, Hell No!, to those being her design efforts.

[motorcitymom65]

22 hours ago, Jextella said:

I recall reading an article about how the HW's just get their names slapped on a product, e.g. Ramona's Pinot Grigio - which we haven't seen yet this season (did this go belly up?).  Very few have developed companies on their own.  I guess Skinny Girl counts but the rest of her stuff is more like this:

 Beth's deals are proabably structured differently depending on who holds the license for each product. Basically she meets with companies and they pay her a fee to license her name. From what I have heard in the industry, she is extremely involved in product development and gets involved in ingredients, etc., and she has the final say in what ends up in stores. This is often not the case in my experience, although it certainly varies. The companies I have worked for in the past hold the license for various products, and in some cases the "famous person" gets very involved in the products that their names are being slapped on and nothing is done without their approval. They work their asses off to make the products a success, and are always pushing for new items or a product refresh. They show up at tastings, get involved in marketing studies, attend strategy sessions. I've worked with others who neither know nor care about what is going on behind the scenes. They take their royalty checks and ask few questions. I once worked with someone who called me to ask for a list of the items we made with his/her name on them because they had no idea exactly what was out there in various markets. Think Ramona a few years ago when someone asked her where the grapes for her wine were sourced from. She had absolutely zero idea, and I've seen this first hand many times. I know that folks hate Beth, but I cannot imagine her not knowing everything about the products that have her name on them. This is a win/win for Beth to be sure. The companies who manufacture and distrubitute her products are the ones doing the research and product development (again, with her input). This means that she doesn't need to have a big staff of people to do this. She has little capital invested in the process; it is all being handled by whatever company is manufacturing her product. It also means that if a product isn't doing well, she has little control. If she were manufacturing the stuff herself, she could decide to just hold on to a brand regardless. Once she gets into a contract with a company like ConAgra, if a product isn't performing, they will drop her and she can't do much about it. 

[zoeysmom]

3 hours ago, motorcitymom65 said:

 Beth's deals are proabably structured differently depending on who holds the license for each product. Basically she meets with companies and they pay her a fee to license her name. From what I have heard in the industry, she is extremely involved in product development and gets involved in ingredients, etc., and she has the final say in what ends up in stores. This is often not the case in my experience, although it certainly varies. The companies I have worked for in the past hold the license for various products, and in some cases the "famous person" gets very involved in the products that their names are being slapped on and nothing is done without their approval. They work their asses off to make the products a success, and are always pushing for new items or a product refresh. They show up at tastings, get involved in marketing studies, attend strategy sessions. I've worked with others who neither know nor care about what is going on behind the scenes. They take their royalty checks and ask few questions. I once worked with someone who called me to ask for a list of the items we made with his/her name on them because they had no idea exactly what was out there in various markets. Think Ramona a few years ago when someone asked her where the grapes for her wine were sourced from. She had absolutely zero idea, and I've seen this first hand many times. I know that folks hate Beth, but I cannot imagine her not knowing everything about the products that have her name on them. This is a win/win for Beth to be sure. The companies who manufacture and distrubitute her products are the ones doing the research and product development (again, with her input). This means that she doesn't need to have a big staff of people to do this. She has little capital invested in the process; it is all being handled by whatever company is manufacturing her product. It also means that if a product isn't doing well, she has little control. If she were manufacturing the stuff herself, she could decide to just hold on to a brand regardless. Once she gets into a contract with a company like ConAgra, if a product isn't performing, they will drop her and she can't do much about it. 

Thanks for the explanation.  I don't see any groundbreaking flavors but she certainly is in line with the most recent popular flavors.   Bethenny is smart because she realizes it is all about distribution.

Now I am going to say something nice about Bethenny.  At the beginning of the season she talked about Bryn and packing.  The rules were one bag you can carry on-just like her.  Then we see ridiculous Ramona with a steamer trunk and a carry on for two nights.  Bethenny now has Skinnygirl luggage and I think a book Skinnygirl Solutions where she imparts advice on everyday matters from nail polish to packing.  I thought it a very good reference point  about prudent packing.  I think she was doing the same with Dorinda and "cleaning" out her living spaces.  What failed was going shopping for more stuff after clearing the decks-even though it was great placement for Home Goods.

Where things fall apart for Bethenny is even though she like every other adult human being has their way of doing things and how they think they would behave.  When people don't sign up for her idea of how they should do something, be it how much food Jules puts out, or how she and her husband go about remodeling, or how one markets their brand, she becomes very angry and dismissive and diminishing another's .  There is more than one way to do things and her nemesis Martha Stewart and many others have covered most of these "Solutions" for a very long time.

[ryebread]

On ‎8‎/‎3‎/‎2016 at 7:24 PM, Petunia13 said:

Why does the back of Bethanny's fiances head have seams all over it??

Hair transplant scars.  Hope he asked for his money back.

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

It is just disgusting to me that Bethenny accuses "lies lies lies" at the reunion- causing her to go ballistic, BUT ..... Bethenny can LIE about no skiing lessons, and Luann fucking "everyone", and throwing shade claiming an alleged poor location of Jules weekend house in the Hamptons- but god fucking forbid someone call her out at reunion and she loses her shit.  Do as I say not as I do. Bethenny is a disgusting, deranged, sick person.

Dying to know what facts Luann threw at her oh because I am SURE they are facts that Bethenny can't handle. She can dish it out but she cannot take it. She is a BULLY.  I have been waiting for YEARS for her bullshit to be exposed. I hope Luann got connected to the right people who know the TRUTH about Bethenny's upbringing, connections, privileged advantages, inheritance, and spoiled brat indulgences she grew up with. It will all come out eventually. 

[izabella]

8 minutes ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

Dying to know what facts Luann threw at her oh because I am SURE they are facts that Bethenny can't handle. She can dish it out but she cannot take it. She is a BULLY.  I have been waiting for YEARS for her bullshit to be exposed. I hope Luann got connected to the right people who know the TRUTH about Bethenny's upbringing, connections, privileged advantages, inheritance, and spoiled brat indulgences she grew up with. It will all come out eventually. 

I doubt Bethy, or Andy, would ever let Lu or anyone else reveal much about Bethy.  My guess is Lu starts to say something, and then the beast interrupts and loses her shit and then Andy shuts it down, or lets Bethy continue to rant and rant but no one is allowed to get a word in edgewise.

Bethy:  I was just asking Luann if she and Tom had an open relationship, like she did with the Count (when did you stop beating  your wife?)

Lu:  Aren't you dating a married man who is married to a friend of yours from high--

Bethy:  Liar!  Whore! Plastic fuck doll!  $&%@!

[jinjer]

I think the "lies" have to do with when Bethenny started dating her latest man, and whether he and the wife were still together. Like he was cheating and the wife knew nothing about it.  And that Bethenny was really friends with her the whole time they were married.   That's just speculation on my part.  But I think she and Bethenny were friends from high school and remained "friendly" all these years, and they (the Shields) socialized with Bethenny as a couple.  And within the last year he started cheating with Bethenny.  That's my story.  All supposition. No facts to back it up.  But that is the one thing that makes me think Bethenny would go crazy and backs up the tabloid story that one of the HWs knows the wife of her BF.

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

1 minute ago, izabella said:

I doubt Bethy, or Andy, would ever let Lu or anyone else reveal much about Bethy.  My guess is Lu starts to say something, and then the beast interrupts and loses her shit and then Andy shuts it down, or lets Bethy continue to rant and rant but no one is allowed to get a word in edgewise.

 

Oh I am sure! One day the right person will come out in the press, or in writing with the truth. Emperor Andy won't reign forever nor will his control or Bethenny's. It wasn't long ago she was a "broke orphan" and it wasn't long ago she was a "happy wife and new mother". She's on a train to nowhere w/her behavior and she'll be held accountable for that behavior eventually somehow. Karma and all that. 

[WireWrap]

1 hour ago, izabella said:

I doubt Bethy, or Andy, would ever let Lu or anyone else reveal much about Bethy.  My guess is Lu starts to say something, and then the beast interrupts and loses her shit and then Andy shuts it down, or lets Bethy continue to rant and rant but no one is allowed to get a word in edgewise.

Bethy:  I was just asking Luann if she and Tom had an open relationship, like she did with the Count (when did you stop beating  your wife?)

Lu:  Aren't you dating a married man who is married to a friend of yours from high--

Bethy:  Liar!  Whore! Plastic fuck doll!  $&%@!

I suspect that whatever Luann accuses her of does make it past editing because Bethenny/Carole are both trying to negate whatever it is every chance they get. I do agree that Bethenny will scream that it is a lie and then will refuse to allow Luann to give all the details of it though. I don't think Bethenny actually expected Luann to fight back with the truth from someone that knows all the dirty secrets Bethenny is trying to hide. Bethenny is/was not prepared for Luann to fight fire with fire! LOL

[WireWrap]

Moved from episode thread.

shoegal posted.................

 Seriously, thank you....it seems taken for granted that the others are forbidden from discussing Bethenny's private life, and yet, do we know anyone besides Tom that Ramona has dated since Mario?  Who all is Sonja fucking?  LuAnn was dating "many" men, who were they?  Why don't we know their names, marital status and the like?  Some relationships are featured on the show, and some are not.  Some children are featured on the show and some are not.  Was LuAnn FORCED to bring her relationship with Tom to the show?

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Well, we do know that Luann was demoted to FOH 2 seasons ago because she refused to include her failing relationship with Jacques on the show, so Yeah, I do think she felt "forced" to have Tom on the show this season, well at least after they got serious.

Ramona isn't dating any 1 specific person, at least that we know about, she is doing group dates from what she/the others have said and, Sonja isn't in a relationship with anyone 1 person either. So I can understand not having their casual dates/hookups as part of the show, even though they are talked about without naming names but that is not the case with Bethenny at all. She was seeing Shields before filming began and even according to her, they were fairly serious then and she was reconsidering her "I will never remarry" stance by early Jan., so she/Shields should be subject to the same rules as Luann/Tom, Dorinda/Johan and Jules/Michael are IMO.

2 Examples from last season, Bethenny was in a relationship with the other guy, he was at events like her BD party but never filmed on the show and no one mentioned him even when Bethenny lied that she was all alone and had no man in her life, no one ever called her out on it, no one. Not even Heather or Kristen called her out on that lie, which begs the question of why? No on called her out on the custody lie either, there was no change in their custody arrangement from when Bethenny moved out of the apartment to when she rejoined the show other than it was finalized in the courts, yet she cried that it was so hard to do because it was all so new to her.......another lie. It seems that Bethenny is able to dictate what anyone can say about her real life on camera but she is allowed free rein to say whatever she wants about them/their real lives. It is a rinse repeat this season, her life is off limits and theirs are fodder for her to use on the show.

Edited August 8, 2016 by WireWrap

[WireWrap]

Moved from the episode thread......

motorcitymom65 posted...

But you are the one saying he is off limits. Why in the world can't someone say "hey Beth - I've heard you are screwing a married guy"? I don't think that they would, because I'm not sure any of them knew what was going on at the time. Is there any proof that they knew anything about this guy? Again, the press about them didn't hit the streets until June 8th. It's possible no one except Carole knew anything at all about him, and therefore didn't think to ask. My best guess is that Beth was smart enough to keep this relationship quiet until after filming had ended. 

I completely disagree about people not being on the show not being off limits - unless the cast member decides to make them the storyline. I don't think that folks should have been digging around saying things about Max on the BH show for all the years that he wasn't on the show. Clearly LVP wanted to keep certain things private, and as long as she wasn't introducing him as a topic, I think that he should be left alone. Once she decides to bring him on the show talk about private things, then all bets are off at that point. This is why Beth keeps her men off the show.

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I posted a link to the blog that made that claim that Bethenny's real life is off limits earlier and I stated that I believe it is true/real. Luann actually referred to Bethenny's "dating" life in the Berkshire's blowup episode and that was what triggered Bethenny's "Whore, Slut and Plastic F Doll" name calling. You can see her "How Dare You" look on her face as Luann says it, IMO, they all knew she was dating Shields before filming began.

 Look at last season, Bethenny was in a relationship with a guy, everyone knew about and no one called her out about when she did her poor little "I'm all alone" act, even though he was present when they were filming but he was not filmed. The same with her lie about how she was having trouble getting use to shared custody of Bryn even though they had the same arrangement going well before filming began and before the courts final ruling about it. She lied about both and she went so far as to use the custody arrangement hardships to beat Heather on the head with every time she had the chance to use it. Yet no one, including Heather ever called her out on any of it. As for Shields, Bethenny did talk about him on camera with Carole, so he became a part of the show then.

As for Lisa and Max, IMO, kids should not be fodder for the show, even adult kids, for the entire cast. If the parent wants to talk about them, fine but the others should not, unless they are regulars on the show and are getting paid, Max/Pandora only make an occasional appearance unlike others kids.

[jinjer]

I think if a HW wants to keep their private life private, then they have no business commenting on another HWs private life or anything that happens off camera. 

Plus if like Bethenny they claim to be a truth cannon, then you can't lie about your private life just bc the other women for some reason, like maybe being decent human beings even though they themselves are pretty low, don't treat you like you treat them.  Bethenny's claims of being all alone/homeless etc went unchallenged last season.  I don't know if the other women were just decent or cowed or legally prevented from saying something. But Bethenny lied, and she never was called out on it.  This year she was on WWHL talking about her dry-spell vagina when the whole time she was dating her current man. 

[motorcitymom65]

1 hour ago, WireWrap said:

Moved from the episode thread......

motorcitymom65 posted...

But you are the one saying he is off limits. Why in the world can't someone say "hey Beth - I've heard you are screwing a married guy"? I don't think that they would, because I'm not sure any of them knew what was going on at the time. Is there any proof that they knew anything about this guy? Again, the press about them didn't hit the streets until June 8th. It's possible no one except Carole knew anything at all about him, and therefore didn't think to ask. My best guess is that Beth was smart enough to keep this relationship quiet until after filming had ended. 

I completely disagree about people not being on the show not being off limits - unless the cast member decides to make them the storyline. I don't think that folks should have been digging around saying things about Max on the BH show for all the years that he wasn't on the show. Clearly LVP wanted to keep certain things private, and as long as she wasn't introducing him as a topic, I think that he should be left alone. Once she decides to bring him on the show talk about private things, then all bets are off at that point. This is why Beth keeps her men off the show.

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I posted a link to the blog that made that claim that Bethenny's real life is off limits earlier and I stated that I believe it is true/real. Luann actually referred to Bethenny's "dating" life in the Berkshire's blowup episode and that was what triggered Bethenny's "Whore, Slut and Plastic F Doll" name calling. You can see her "How Dare You" look on her face as Luann says it, IMO, they all knew she was dating Shields before filming began.

 Look at last season, Bethenny was in a relationship with a guy, everyone knew about and no one called her out about when she did her poor little "I'm all alone" act, even though he was present when they were filming but he was not filmed. The same with her lie about how she was having trouble getting use to shared custody of Bryn even though they had the same arrangement going well before filming began and before the courts final ruling about it. She lied about both and she went so far as to use the custody arrangement hardships to beat Heather on the head with every time she had the chance to use it. Yet no one, including Heather ever called her out on any of it. As for Shields, Bethenny did talk about him on camera with Carole, so he became a part of the show then.

As for Lisa and Max, IMO, kids should not be fodder for the show, even adult kids, for the entire cast. If the parent wants to talk about them, fine but the others should not, unless they are regulars on the show and are getting paid, Max/Pandora only make an occasional appearance unlike others kids.

But if she doesn't want to talk about it and others don't sit around talking about it, what is to be done? LVP brought up litigation last season, but only briefly. She clearly didn't want to discuss a major personal issue and that was respected.  The others still could have been seen sitting around chatting about it and maybe were, but we saw none of it.  Was she wrong to keep something so huge off the show? Something that she has said in interviews took a good deal of her time and money to deal with, right when filming for the season had begun. Something that was literally all over the press for a couple of weeks. 

The gals that Bravo thinks are more valuable get better deals. The ones they really want to make sure come back get a better contract. They make more money, and probably have more say in what happens. I've little doubt that LVP's contract is structured in a way that says they have to include scenes involving some of her charitable stuff. I've no doubt that she has in her contract that legal stuff is not to be discussed unless she decides when and how, probably very much like Beth. I've no doubt on the VPR show that there are very specific guidelines on what can be shown. We aren't going to see a customer complaining about finding a hair in their soup. She can do this because she is extremely valuable, and I'm just using her as an example because she probably carries the most weight with Bravo. Kyle might also have the ability to make more demands than another HW that they are less concerned about. These people aren't being forced to work in this environment. They decide to do it. If they don't like the deal, or the way the power is parceled around, they can leave.

[motorcitymom65]

4 hours ago, WireWrap said:

I suspect that whatever Luann accuses her of does make it past editing because Bethenny/Carole are both trying to negate whatever it is every chance they get. I do agree that Bethenny will scream that it is a lie and then will refuse to allow Luann to give all the details of it though. I don't think Bethenny actually expected Luann to fight back with the truth from someone that knows all the dirty secrets Bethenny is trying to hide. Bethenny is/was not prepared for Luann to fight fire with fire! LOL

If Beth was unprepared than she is a fool.  Lu gave an interview right after Beth made the married man accusation that Beth was in fact dating a married man.  Beth responded on Twitter and in an interview. There is no way that after saying the things about Lu that she did that she didn't expect for Lu to get vicious right back. She saw the way Lu went after Carole, after all. She cannot be surprised by what Lu is capable of. She might be surprised by how far Lu goes. As I have posted, if Lu goes so far as to bring the wife into the deal - to name her or talk about her, for instance, than she might find herself not so much the fan favorite. People talk endlessly about what Beth has done to the wife, even though they have no idea of the details. If folks are really sympathetic to the wife and think that she has been done wrong, lots of people won't appreciate Lu dragging an innocent woman into the fray. If she has contacted her or her friends for dirt, than I've no doubt that Beth will go bat shit crazy, especially if she is saying things that are not true. 

[ElDosEquis]

Fuck that 'truth cannon' shit.

Methenny simply uses street tactics in the way she argues.

She goads people into losing their shit - that is when she is at her most caustic - and just screams louder than whoever she is fighting with.

When you start to score points, you have to shut up, she is talking.

If you don't react or yell back, that infuriates her even more.

[WireWrap]

44 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

But if she doesn't want to talk about it and others don't sit around talking about it, what is to be done? LVP brought up litigation last season, but only briefly. She clearly didn't want to discuss a major personal issue and that was respected.  The others still could have been seen sitting around chatting about it and maybe were, but we saw none of it.  Was she wrong to keep something so huge off the show? Something that she has said in interviews took a good deal of her time and money to deal with, right when filming for the season had begun. Something that was literally all over the press for a couple of weeks. 

The gals that Bravo thinks are more valuable get better deals. The ones they really want to make sure come back get a better contract. They make more money, and probably have more say in what happens. I've little doubt that LVP's contract is structured in a way that says they have to include scenes involving some of her charitable stuff. I've no doubt that she has in her contract that legal stuff is not to be discussed unless she decides when and how, probably very much like Beth. I've no doubt on the VPR show that there are very specific guidelines on what can be shown. We aren't going to see a customer complaining about finding a hair in their soup. She can do this because she is extremely valuable, and I'm just using her as an example because she probably carries the most weight with Bravo. Kyle might also have the ability to make more demands than another HW that they are less concerned about. These people aren't being forced to work in this environment. They decide to do it. If they don't like the deal, or the way the power is parceled around, they can leave.

I do think LisaV has some contract stipulations about what can and can't be discussed on camera and I have no problem with that because they pertain to her real life businesses. That is why I believe Bethenny has them but that hers include most of her private life and some of her business life. Bethenny has gone on record as saying that she did not want to discuss/involve anyone that she is dating, that she can't talk about the divorce/Jason and refuses to discuss Bryn (I find that admirable) but then feels she can use others divorce/marriage (Luann) that they don't want to discuss as fodder for the show. She can't have both IMO, either she keeps her off camera life private while keeping her mouth closed about the others off camera lives or be willing for others to out her off camera life as she does them even if she has something in her contract forbidding them. Otherwise, Bethenny is nothing more than a bully that has the backing of the Principal.

35 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

If Beth was unprepared than she is a fool.  Lu gave an interview right after Beth made the married man accusation that Beth was in fact dating a married man.  Beth responded on Twitter and in an interview. There is no way that after saying the things about Lu that she did that she didn't expect for Lu to get vicious right back. She saw the way Lu went after Carole, after all. She cannot be surprised by what Lu is capable of. She might be surprised by how far Lu goes. As I have posted, if Lu goes so far as to bring the wife into the deal - to name her or talk about her, for instance, than she might find herself not so much the fan favorite. People talk endlessly about what Beth has done to the wife, even though they have no idea of the details. If folks are really sympathetic to the wife and think that she has been done wrong, lots of people won't appreciate Lu dragging an innocent woman into the fray. If she has contacted her or her friends for dirt, than I've no doubt that Beth will go bat shit crazy, especially if she is saying things that are not true. 

I do believe Bethenny never thought that Luann would come in loaded for bear at the reunion, she has never done that in the past to anyone, not even Carole. So, Yes, I can see Bethenny being surprised if Luann went for Bethenny's jugular, it isn't something she, L, does, (not even when Ramona went after Victoria) unlike Bethenny who does it all of the time. Bethenny claims only she has the "balls" to say/do these things, seems like Luann is going to show Bethenny she has large balls made of brass as well. LOL I also wouldn't be surprised if Luann had blessings from the soon to be ex Mrs. Shields in doing it and maybe we will be hearing from her (Jill Shields) after the reunion airs. Bethenny can't expect any of these HWs to keep taking it from her without 1 of them finally fighting back on her level and it seems it is going to happen during this reunion.

[NewDigs]

5 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

Bethenny did say in a talking head when Luann asked her about who she was dating that she would never tell Luann because Luann was a man stealer.  So Bethenny gets to pick and chose.  The rest don't.  I don't think Ramona is long for the show if her storyline is about keeping her love life private.  We have seen Ramona get her flirt on and her solo dancing-time to move on.  Sonja has washed her hands of Ramona so there isn't much left for the old gal.

Get off reality TV of you aren't going to share  your relationship.  It is like the woman from Shahs that dates Jermaine Jackson, Jr..  I like her but there is a huge piece missing from her life-for gawd's sake they show her mother's cats.  She doesn't share that part of her life, one wackadoodle said it was a good thing because it is the only relationship that has lasted and another one said, "if we all did that there would be no show."  If Bethenny doesn't want her love life on the show perhaps she should zip it when it comes to Luann's.   Going after Luann and then saying it was okay because Luann is resilient is really unfair.  Other than arguing with others, what has Bethenny offered us?  Fibroids and childish group meetings where her minions take votes on how to hurt Luann. 

According to Dorinda, John was downstairs in the bar of the hotel and production was telling John what Bethenny had said.  If you notice they take the hotel room door and keep trying to keep it open-Jules job apparently.  Dorinda was a little steamed over the move.  That is why John came in like a bull in a china shop. 

Bolding mine.

And Bethy can't just answer but is at-the-ready to deflect, poorly, on to LuLu. 

She has an excuse for everything and it's usually that it's not only someone else's fault but she also needs to impugn that someone's character.

Edited August 8, 2016 by NewDigs

[Knuckles]

1 hour ago, motorcitymom65 said:

People talk endlessly about what Beth has done to the wife, even though they have no idea of the details.

Given the way this wife's errant husband makes his money, and her willingness to go along with it, I am not inclined to much sympathy. I'm surprised that said wife has not yet filed for divorce, since there appears to be a lot of money in that marriage. On the other hand, if she is ready to lose the guy, she might have been willing to wait to file any papers until filming was over...especially if he made if worth her while. 

On another note, I am guessing that Andy does not care that the audience has largely turned against Beth...that he believes any publicity is good publicity.

I do however wish that Lu's Tom has enough money for her to blow off this show. Without her going toe to toe with Beth, and her engagement, there is no show at all. Beyond that there is nothing....who wants to listen to someone whining about her fibroids week after week.

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

5 hours ago, WireWrap said:

 

 

I posted a link to the blog that made that claim that Bethenny's real life is off limits earlier and I stated that I believe it is true/real. Luann actually referred to Bethenny's "dating" life in the Berkshire's blowup episode and that was what triggered Bethenny's "Whore, Slut and Plastic F Doll" name calling. You can see her "How Dare You" look on her face as Luann says it, IMO, they all knew she was dating Shields before filming began.

 

I FLOVE this observation that perhaps Luann intentionally let in a dig in the Berks referring to who Bethenny was dating ! Go Lu! I'd bet it's true too. Be interesting if that reference to Shields and the one at reunion to Sheilds (perhaps) are Bethennys two biggest explosions this season. Ding ding ding ! 

[WireWrap]

Moved from episode thread

 

 

The first link says Bethenny threw him a birthday party. I wonder when his birthday is, as that would give us a better time frame of when they started dating and when people first began to know they were a couple. From your link which was dated Feb 21, 2016......"“Bethenny has a new boyfriend,” one source claimed, adding, “She even just threw a birthday party for him.” Another source close to the Skinnygirl mogul told us, “Bethenny and Dennis have been friends for 27 years — and she did throw him a birthday party.”" So, if this is true, I would think the others knew about him when she had the party for him or shortly afterwards. Word seems to get around between/with these women in a very short time span.

[breezy424]

I don't think any of the housewives have a clause in their contracts that certain things cannot be talked about by other women on the show.  And that includes Lisa and Beth.  What are any of the other housewives going to say about Lisa's legal problems?  In what context would that even be brought up in?  Same goes for Beth.  Beth talked about being alone IIRC in TH' or without the other women, not to the other women.  And in what context would that be brought up in?  Was everyone's contracts amended when Beth returned to show?  I doubt it.

Sure, Beth got a contract without requiring her boyfriend (s) to appear.  Or maybe not.  Her boyfriend may have just refused to film.  This season there is a new boyfriend who didn't appear in filming.  Neither were in a long term relationship with Beth and there's nothing too much that production could do about that.

Last season, Beth and Heather and Kris had confrontations.  Why would they bring up her boyfriend at the time?  He refused to film.  Heather did say something about Beth's custody agreement.  I don't think Heather or Kris would go down the 'boyfriend' road.  That's not their style.  The other women are just plain afraid.

So this year....I don't Lu was focusing on Beth's love life.  She had her own love life to focus on.  Doris isn't going to go down that road because she already witnessed Beth's character assassination of John.  Ro and Sonja are up Beth's butt and Jules' has her own problems with her husband so she's not going to go there either.  But....Beth's mission has been take Lu down and after Miami, the gloves are off.  Lu played it great in the Berkshires but she's tired of Beth's agenda.  And it seems that Lu maybe went after Beth at the reunion about her relationship with a 'married' man.  She's got a lot of ammunition taking into consideration what Beth has said about Lu and married men.

Doris sees Lu taking a stand against Beth and that gives Doris a little more courage to speak up.  Beth went after Jules and now Jules has more courage to speak up.  The fear isn't quite what it used to be.  Beth speaks a lot of shit about the other women.  I think many of them are getting tired of it.  Now we have Beth in defense mode.  And of course, we have the 102 fever at the reunion even though she was on antibiotics for two days (#the greatexaggerator).  The funny part for me (yeah, I'll admit it), I don't really care if what was said about Beth was a lie.  I get something out of Beth being being put into an uncomfortable place.  Why?  She's a barracuda that has no empathy for anyone else, has no problem crossing lines and lying herself (depending on your definition of lying).  She'll use whatever she can (or exaggerate) to take other people down.

Edited August 9, 2016 by breezy424

[WireWrap]

13 minutes ago, breezy424 said:

I don't think any of the housewives have a clause in their contracts that certain things cannot be talked about by other women on the show.  And that includes Lisa and Beth.  What are any of the other housewives going to say about Lisa's legal problems?  In what context would that even be brought up in?  Same goes for Beth.  Beth talked about being alone IIRC in TH' or without the other women, not to the other women.  And in what context would that be brought up in?  Was everyone's contracts amended when Beth returned to show?  I doubt it.

Sure, Beth got a contract without requiring her boyfriend (s) to appear.  Or maybe not.  Her boyfriend may have just refused to film.  This season there is a new boyfriend who didn't appear in filming.  Neither were in a long term relationship with Beth and there's nothing too much that production could do about that.

Last season, Beth and Heather and Kris had confrontations.  Why would they bring up her boyfriend at the time?  He refused to film.  Heather did say something about Beth's custody agreement.  I don't think Heather or Kris would go down the 'boyfriend' road.  That's not their style.  The other women are just plain afraid.

So this year....I don't Lu was focusing on Beth's love life.  She had her own love life to focus on.  Doris isn't going to go down that road because she already witnessed Beth's character assassination of John.  Ro and Sonja are up Beth's butt and Jules' has her own problems with her husband so she's not going to go there either.  But....Beth's mission has been take Lu down and after Miami, the gloves are off.  Lu played it great in the Berkshires but she's tired of Beth's agenda.  And it seems that Lu maybe went after Beth at the reunion about her relationship with a 'married' man.  She's got a lot of ammunition taking into consideration what Beth has said about Lu and married men.

Doris sees Lu taking a stand against Beth and that gives Doris a little more courage to speak up.  Beth went after Jules and now Jules has more courage to speak up.  The fear isn't quite what it used to be.  Beth speaks a lot of shit about the other women.  I think many of them are getting tired of it.  Now we have Beth in defense mode.  And of course, we have the 102 fever at the reunion even though she was on antibiotics for two days (#the greatexaggerator).  The funny part for me (yeah, I'll admit it), I don't really care if what was said about Beth was a lie.  I get something out of Beth being being put into an uncomfortable place.  Why?  She's a barracuda that has no empathy for anyone else, has no problem crossing lines and lying herself (depending on your definition of lying).  She'll use whatever she can (or exaggerate) to take other people down.

Bethenny talked to both Carole and Ramona about not having a "man" in her life and I think Dorinda as well, last season and all of them went along with the lie. Heather came right out and said in her blogs that Bethenny talked quite a bit about Bryn and custody to all of the women on camera last season as well, which is why she didn't understand why Bethenny went nuts on her. 

Claiming you don't have a BF in your life and having 1 that doesn't want to appear on camera are 2 very different things, yet Bethenny claimed both last season. She said in interviews that her then bf didn't want to be on camera and she preferred it that way but on the show cried about being "lonely". LOL I have no problem if a BF/SO doesn't want to be on film but Please don't then claim you are single, unattached, lonely and have a "dry vagina" on camera because that is a lie that should be called out by the others.

Luann didn't go after Bethenny's dating life at all other than asking her who she was "dating", which was what set Bethenny off calling Luann a "slut, a whore and a plastic F doll", and, Yes, I do think Luann knew about Shields at that point in filming, but Luann didn't continue down that path because of Tom. After that, Bethenny made Luann her target and hasn't let up since then.

Dorinda isn't standing up to Bethenny on camera other than her THs, her blogs and on WWHL, all of which have been filmed/written after the regular season was finished filming.  Jules on the other hand, did speak up to Bethenny and to a lesser extent Carole, good for her but it will most likely cost her a contract for next season.

All season long, Bethenny has blamed her ugly, vile behavior on work stress, bloody fibroids, the others "making" her "go there" and now strep for the reunion. Which is pretty much what she did last season but it was the custody arrangement (even though it was like that for about a year prior to the start of filming), the nasty ongoing divorce and her being "homeless" in the city, which all caused her to cry at the drop of a pin then turn into a screaming banshee or both at the same time. LOL

I hope that Luann exposes Bethenny big at the reunion, she needs a dose of reality, a dose of her own behavior.

[motorcitymom65]

7 hours ago, breezy424 said:

I don't think any of the housewives have a clause in their contracts that certain things cannot be talked about by other women on the show.  And that includes Lisa and Beth.  What are any of the other housewives going to say about Lisa's legal problems?  In what context would that even be brought up in?  Same goes for Beth.  Beth talked about being alone IIRC in TH' or without the other women, not to the other women.  And in what context would that be brought up in?  Was everyone's contracts amended when Beth returned to show?  I doubt it.

 

They could have said a lot about her legal problems. The judgment came down literally days into filming S5. At the end of S4 it was an LVP vs. everyone else kind of thing. How did Kim's arrest at Target come up? By LVP and Ken when they were packing. LVP very casually asks Ken if he had heard about the arrest. Anyone could have done the same about Ken and LVP and their loss. You could have seen Mauricio and Kyle talking about how horrible it all was for them. You could have seen Brandi and Yo discussing it. Yo, the one who made the ridiculous allegation that Ken had touched her, could have brougt up on camera that Ken had been basically found guilty of destroying video evidence that proved one of his employees had been sexually harassed. The real question is, does anyone believe that this wasn't being discussed among the cast when it happened? That at the very least no one said "how are you doing, this must all be terrible". I don't believe for one single second that this didn't happen. 

I think that all of these gals have the ability to construct a contract to keep stuff they don't want out of the show, but that Bravo can also say "no way, it's got to be included". How many times has Teresa said that she didn't want her legal stuff included, but it was too big, and involved the show. There was no way she could keep all of this out. On the other hand, Bravo has zero interest in LVP and Ken looking like bad business people, what with them having a whole second show on Bravo about one of their businesses.  Likewise, they think Beth is a rockstar, and certainly don't want any of the nasty stuff going on in her divorce - some of which doesn't make her look very good - included on the show. They completely allow her to control the narrative as to how the divorce and the settlement played out, because she wouldn't be on the show if they didn't. Likewise, LVP is never going to appear on a show that is going to damage her business. 

Edited August 9, 2016 by motorcitymom65

[zoeysmom]

Bethenny never keeping it classy, from the media thread:  http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2016/08/09/bethenny-frankel-reportedly-throws-fit-throws-drinks-at-concertgoers.html

[Petunia13]

First she steals LuAnn's hair, then she steals Ramona's signature move? 

[zoeysmom]

Oh Bethenny was not a VIP she went as a Sirius employee.  Very odd picture of her photo bombing Jimmy Buffett - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3730873/Bethenny-Frankel-throws-drink-group-women-blocked-view-VIP-Hamptons-Coldplay-gig.html

[zoeysmom]

This is the A-reel story about the Coldplay Hamptons' event:  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3730569/Gwyneth-Paltrow-attends-ex-Chris-Martin-s-Coldplay-concert-Hamptons.html  No mention of Bethenny but Kelly Bensimon made the a-reel.  Guess bethenny needed to make a splash to get some ink.

[ElDosEquis]

21 hours ago, breezy424 said:

I think many of them are getting tired of it.  Now we have Beth in defense mode.  And of course, we have the 102 fever at the reunion even though she was on antibiotics for two days (#the greatexaggerator).  The funny part for me (yeah, I'll admit it), I don't really care if what was said about Beth was a lie.  I get something out of Beth being being put into an uncomfortable place.  Why?  She's a barracuda that has no empathy for anyone else, has no problem crossing lines and lying herself (depending on your definition of lying).  She'll use whatever she can (or exaggerate) to take other people down.

You hit on another good point.

If one person stands up to her, maybe everyone else will follow?

I am not a fan of the 'group gangbang' - where people line up to take a turn at a person - Sometimes people really need to get their asses kicked to appreciate what it like to be and to carry yourself as a winner.

Declaring yourself some kind of 'world champion' when you never have stepped into the ring is laughable - I too want to see Beth get hit with a 'little dose or reality'.

I laugh when I see a lion sneak up on a zebra and then gets kicked in the head. The only question is, "who is going to be the zebra of "Zoo York"?
 

[motorcitymom65]

1 hour ago, zoeysmom said:

This is the A-reel story about the Coldplay Hamptons' event:  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3730569/Gwyneth-Paltrow-attends-ex-Chris-Martin-s-Coldplay-concert-Hamptons.html  No mention of Bethenny but Kelly Bensimon made the a-reel.  Guess bethenny needed to make a splash to get some ink.

Strangely enough, Kelly came to Beth's defense. She said Beth said "hi" to her and she saw Beth through the event and saw none of the stuff reported in the press. Beth and Kelly are having a bit of a love fest on Twitter, with Beth thanking Kelly to coming to her defense. She even called her "sweet". 

[WireWrap]

14 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Strangely enough, Kelly came to Beth's defense. She said Beth said "hi" to her and she saw Beth through the event and saw none of the stuff reported in the press. Beth and Kelly are having a bit of a love fest on Twitter, with Beth thanking Kelly to coming to her defense. She even called her "sweet". 

I know this is cynical but.......I suspect a Bethenny redemption tour is starting already! I know, I know...Kelly came to her defense but IMO, Kelly would because it is the right thing to do even though they have never gotten along. I can honestly say that I doubt that Bethenny would have done the same for Kelly had the roles been reversed. I could see Bethenny saying that although she didn't see Kelly do/throw anything that one never knows with Kelly, so she may have missed it, or something along those lines. Good for Kelly for speaking up for Bethenny though, it is nice to see.

[motorcitymom65]

18 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

I know this is cynical but.......I suspect a Bethenny redemption tour is starting already! I know, I know...Kelly came to her defense but IMO, Kelly would because it is the right thing to do even though they have never gotten along. I can honestly say that I doubt that Bethenny would have done the same for Kelly had the roles been reversed. I could see Bethenny saying that although she didn't see Kelly do/throw anything that one never knows with Kelly, so she may have missed it, or something along those lines. Good for Kelly for speaking up for Bethenny though, it is nice to see.

I agree that I don't think she would have done the same for Kelly. Ever.

I think the plan was always for the season to play out with Beth looking like the bad guy, but then things turning. I think there is still a lot of stuff to happen. That's how it started last season as well, and it ended so differently.  She has been tweeting the entire season, and as recently as a couple of days ago, that this is her favorite season ever. I know others think she is trying to get out in front of something bad by going after the others for drug use, etc., but I think there is still something that will happen that will have folks scratching their heads and thinking they knew what was up, but they really didn't. Not entirely. 

[zoeysmom]

My guess is Tom tells Bethenny off at the finale.  She is counting on that erasing all bad deeds.

Kelly seemed like a PR person. . . just because she didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen.  A little late for Kelly and Bethenny.  As Kelly said, you can't come back from crazy.

[ElDosEquis]

Coming to her defense by saying she didn't see shit?

Hahahahahaha.

Had Kelly tossed the drink and Beffy been in the room and NOT seen anything? She would have said something like "that is why I hate Kelly" or "she looked like she was on crack, only crackheads throw drinks" or some such nonsense.

[WireWrap]

42 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

I agree that I don't think she would have done the same for Kelly. Ever.

I think the plan was always for the season to play out with Beth looking like the bad guy, but then things turning. I think there is still a lot of stuff to happen. That's how it started last season as well, and it ended so differently.  She has been tweeting the entire season, and as recently as a couple of days ago, that this is her favorite season ever. I know others think she is trying to get out in front of something bad by going after the others for drug use, etc., but I think there is still something that will happen that will have folks scratching their heads and thinking they knew what was up, but they really didn't. Not entirely. 

LOL Yes, anything can happen but I don't see another big surprise coming out, other than Tom's bad behavior in these last 2 episodes left. And Bethenny/Carole are on the defensive about the reunion. Bethenny going so far as to say that Luann tells a big lie about her and that she saw red and never looked back or calmed down for the rest of the reunion. Does she try to expose drug use by the others, by that I mean Luann, Dorinda, Jules and Sonja? That wouldn't surprise me in the least and it also will not surprise me if she doesn't mention herself, Ramona or Carole as indulging in drugs or med/alcohol use either, even though we know Carole smokes pot and Ramona drinks even when she takes her anxiety meds (last reunion) and rumors of her abusing Adderall have been around for years now.

Last season she claimed it was her "favorite season of all" as well and I am sure she will say the same if/when she comes back next season, it is a standard HW saying. LOL  It has also become a standard HW show format to build the drama up as the season progresses with the last 4 or 5 episodes off the charts drama wise. This way, we are sure to watch the reunions even though nothing is ever really settled or explained and they do that so we tune in next season rooting on our favorites or even changing sides as the drama builds once again. Lather, Rinse, Repeat over and over again! LOL

[breezy424]

17 hours ago, motorcitymom65 said:

They could have said a lot about her legal problems. The judgment came down literally days into filming S5. At the end of S4 it was an LVP vs. everyone else kind of thing. How did Kim's arrest at Target come up? By LVP and Ken when they were packing. LVP very casually asks Ken if he had heard about the arrest. Anyone could have done the same about Ken and LVP and their loss. You could have seen Mauricio and Kyle talking about how horrible it all was for them. You could have seen Brandi and Yo discussing it. Yo, the one who made the ridiculous allegation that Ken had touched her, could have brougt up on camera that Ken had been basically found guilty of destroying video evidence that proved one of his employees had been sexually harassed. The real question is, does anyone believe that this wasn't being discussed among the cast when it happened? That at the very least no one said "how are you doing, this must all be terrible". I don't believe for one single second that this didn't happen. 

I think that all of these gals have the ability to construct a contract to keep stuff they don't want out of the show, but that Bravo can also say "no way, it's got to be included". How many times has Teresa said that she didn't want her legal stuff included, but it was too big, and involved the show. There was no way she could keep all of this out. On the other hand, Bravo has zero interest in LVP and Ken looking like bad business people, what with them having a whole second show on Bravo about one of their businesses.  Likewise, they think Beth is a rockstar, and certainly don't want any of the nasty stuff going on in her divorce - some of which doesn't make her look very good - included on the show. They completely allow her to control the narrative as to how the divorce and the settlement played out, because she wouldn't be on the show if they didn't. Likewise, LVP is never going to appear on a show that is going to damage her business. 

But that judgement was the first one.  IIRC it was for about a hundred grand.  It wasn't the first time they had a problem with an employee filing a lawsuit.  The 1.5 million judgement in which Lisa and Ken were found to be personally responsible for didn't happen until after filming was finished and the episodes just started airing.   I could say more but this is Beth's thread.

I agree that the housewives can construct certain things in their contracts such as Adrienne not allowing her children to be filmed or not filming at Heather's house because the coop didn't allow it.  Or even requirements as to showing up at 'events'. Legal stuff?  I don't think so.  That 'can' be juicy no matter who the player is.  I do think that production does make certain discretionary decisions because of who the housewife is.  Let's face it.  Lisa has two shows with the same production company.  She's making money for them so they're going to be thoughtful about what to show. 

Beth's contract most definitely had an agreement about product placement and probably filming requirements when she has her daughter as well as filming of her daughter.  I think production thought they were going to get mostly the old Beth that many loved and she was supposed to be the savior of the series.  It didn't work out that way.  She wasn't the rock star they expected her to be.  Except for Heather and Kris, no one went up against Beth her first season back.  They're afraid of her and her the 'special snowflake' crown she has been given by production and Andy.  They're also afraid of losing their apple.  So no response from the others when Beth claimed to be all alone when she did in fact, have a boyfriend last season.  But....we see the tide is starting to change.  Heather and Kris led the way.  Lu has not backed down this season.  Jules and even Dorinda are starting to follow after being subjected to Beth's vicious darts.  And Beth is getting more and more vicious because she doesn't like it.  How dare they? 

Edited August 10, 2016 by breezy424

[motorcitymom65]

6 hours ago, breezy424 said:

 

I agree that the housewives can construct certain things in their contracts such as Adrienne not allowing her children to be filmed or not filming at Heather's house because the coop didn't allow it.  Or even requirements as to showing up at 'events'. Legal stuff?  I don't think so.  That 'can' be juicy no matter who the player is.  I do think that production does make certain discretionary decisions because of who the housewife is.  Let's face it.  Lisa has two shows with the same production company.  She's making money for them so they're going to be thoughtful about what to show. 

I was listening to an interview that Tamra did. She was talking about Vicki mentioning last season something about "no wonder she lost custody of her kids" in an episode last season. She said that she saw red when she saw that episode because when she came back, it was with the condition that there could be no mention of her kids, or what was going on with her legal issues with Simon. Vicki went there, which was why Tamra decided she had to address some of the stuff at the reunion last season. She said Vicki was very aware that the topic was to be off limits, but she didn't care, or was too drunk in the scene to sensor herself. 

[motorcitymom65]

7 hours ago, WireWrap said:

LOL Yes, anything can happen but I don't see another big surprise coming out, other than Tom's bad behavior in these last 2 episodes left. And Bethenny/Carole are on the defensive about the reunion. Bethenny going so far as to say that Luann tells a big lie about her and that she saw red and never looked back or calmed down for the rest of the reunion. Does she try to expose drug use by the others, by that I mean Luann, Dorinda, Jules and Sonja? That wouldn't surprise me in the least and it also will not surprise me if she doesn't mention herself, Ramona or Carole as indulging in drugs or med/alcohol use either, even though we know Carole smokes pot and Ramona drinks even when she takes her anxiety meds (last reunion) and rumors of her abusing Adderall have been around for years now.

Last season she claimed it was her "favorite season of all" as well and I am sure she will say the same if/when she comes back next season, it is a standard HW saying. LOL  It has also become a standard HW show format to build the drama up as the season progresses with the last 4 or 5 episodes off the charts drama wise. This way, we are sure to watch the reunions even though nothing is ever really settled or explained and they do that so we tune in next season rooting on our favorites or even changing sides as the drama builds once again. Lather, Rinse, Repeat over and over again! LOL

But saying they are being "defensive" is just an opinion of their behavior. That looks different to different people. Defensive to me is when they start yelling about editing, being treated poorly, making excuses for what they did/said, or just outright lying about what happened. Beth is saying that she goes crazy at the reunion. She is not trying to make herself look better, just giving us a glimpse of what happens. She is completely owning her behavior.  

And I don't think that all HW's say the current season is their favorite. I could make a big fat list of all the HW's who are not having a good season who talk about how hard it all is, how they want it to be over, how they just don't think they can take one more minute and may not come back because it is all so horrible. HW's that don't try to keep us interested on Twitter by encouraging us to keep watching. HW's that seem to not want us to watch because they don't want to see what is yet to be revealed. HW's that claim that are not even watching the current season because they cannot take it. Beth is encouraging as hell on Twitter. She actually seems to like the way it is all playing out and doesn't seem to care that a very high percentage of the public hates her. 

I still get the impression that we are all being punked, and they are all in on it. 

[ElDosEquis]

8 hours ago, WireWrap said:

LOL Yes, anything can happen but I don't see another big surprise coming out, other than Tom's bad behavior in these last 2 episodes left. And Bethenny/Carole are on the defensive about the reunion. Bethenny going so far as to say that Luann tells a big lie about her and that she saw red and never looked back or calmed down for the rest of the reunion. Does she try to expose drug use by the others, by that I mean Luann, Dorinda, Jules and Sonja? That wouldn't surprise me in the least and it also will not surprise me if she doesn't mention herself, Ramona or Carole as indulging in drugs or med/alcohol use either, even though we know Carole smokes pot and Ramona drinks even when she takes her anxiety meds (last reunion) and rumors of her abusing Adderall have been around for years now.

Last season she claimed it was her "favorite season of all" as well and I am sure she will say the same if/when she comes back next season, it is a standard HW saying. LOL  It has also become a standard HW show format to build the drama up as the season progresses with the last 4 or 5 episodes off the charts drama wise. This way, we are sure to watch the reunions even though nothing is ever really settled or explained and they do that so we tune in next season rooting on our favorites or even changing sides as the drama builds once again. Lather, Rinse, Repeat over and over again! LOL

So, luann told ONE lie about beffeny and that is ruined the whole evening?

I wonder how she'd feel if someone called her a fuck doll, whore, slut?

That one sentence says a lot!!!!

1. I can't keep my cool.

2. I let people get under my skin,

3. I can't let go of things.

4. I can't handle people talking smack.

5. I don't have my feces together.

And then the excuse is, I was sick - I had a fever.

I wasn't 'playing with a full deck' during the reunion - we know that, stupid.

I got to the point where I see a celeb fuck up in the most spectacular way and I only pay attention to the EXCUSES that people put out for their behavior.

beffey is that idiot of the group that treats her friends like shit and when she gets into a scrape - she expects everyone to rally around her, should you refuse or stand by and not react?

YOU are the worst person in the world, she'll never mention SHE is the one that lit the fire, only the fact that YOU weren't there to help put it out when it raged out of control?

[islandgal140]

23 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

Bethenny never keeping it classy, from the media thread:  http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2016/08/09/bethenny-frankel-reportedly-throws-fit-throws-drinks-at-concertgoers.html

She is just the broken sewer pipe that just keeps 'giving.'