S05.E28: All Grown Up

[JerseyGirl]

Jenelle approaches Barbara about gaining custody; Kailyn reunites with Isaac; Chelsea tries to move on romantically.

 

Sneak Peak:  

Jenelle, Barbara, and Nathan have a heart-felt dialogue about Jace's future.

 

 

[BitterApple]

I love Jenelle's revisionist history. "I started doing drugs because I didn't have my son"?, Uh, no you were doing drugs long before Jace and that's why you lost custody. Damn that Sad Panda! IIRC, he was the one who gave Jenelle that lame excuse in the first place. 

 

I also think Barb was a tad deluded when she called Jace a "happy and healthy boy." Sure, because happy kids cuss, hit, act defiantly and destroy property. As much as I can't stand Nathan, to be fair there has been many times where Barb has gone in on him screaming and yelling from jump. It's a two way street with those two.

[fliptopbox]

Listening to Jenelle and Nipples asking Jace if he wants to live there is so sad. At first he said no so they keep asking. Poor kid.

[Ffiferoo]

So much for Kail getting a bad edit - that's a whole season of good will out the window for me with her racist comments.  I was really hoping they were just trying to generate drama with those previews.

[Marie80]

Wow, Kail is a gross human being. Hispanics dress like "thugs" and white people dress normal? Because that certainly seems to be what she is implying with that nonsense. As a Hispanic woman, I would like her to please STFU and buy a clue. Ugh.

[Mkay]

Kail was already rolling her eyes before Jo even got the whole sentence out of his mouth. He kept his composure. I can't say I would have.

[Mya Stone]

Wow Kail. Wow.

No words.

[Mkay]

Kail was already rolling her eyes before Jo even got the whole sentence out of his mouth. He kept his composure. I can't say I would have.

[fliptopbox]

Kail seems to be reverting back to bitch mode. That crack about Isaac and the haircut and Jo dressing him like a thug was bullshit. If she was so concerned about her son being perceived as Hispanic maybe don't date Hispanic men? You can't deny a child's culture.

[Ffiferoo]

Chelsea and her friends prepping for speed dating was like that mini Twix commercial with the 80s employees passing out from hairspray in the bathroom.

[WhitneyWhit]

WTF Kail?! Are you an Ann Coulter fan? Where's your white hood? Seriously, what the hell was that?

[Mya Stone]

So many "my box" jokes just went through my head.

And Jenelle is effing nuts to try and uproot her child. Babs is handling this better than I thought she would.

And sorry not sorry Babs isn't wrong here. Wow. Fucking man child. And Jenelle has her complete flat affect again.

[WhitneyWhit]

Janelle's been stable for a while? Define a while.

 

And I about died when Nipples complained about Barb handling foul language around Barb. These two are fucking nuts.

[fliptopbox]

Go Nathan. Way to be mature, bro. Whoever said it in another thread that he only wants Jace so he can stick it to Barb and isolate Jenelle (and Jace) is probably right. He is a ticking time bomb. Also, Jenelle and her proof she can parent...Kaiser is what? 2 weeks old, maybe? Good job guys for not killing the baby yet.

[RedKoolAide]

That bitch Kail knew what Jo wanted to discuss that's why she was so defensive. Can't stand her sloppy ass.

[Ffiferoo]

"When Jo is dressing Isaac, I want him to consider me" 

 

Why?  That is fucking ridiculous.  He's *four*, I know there are more clothing options for kids than there used to be, but come on.  

[Brooklynista]

Do men not stand up when a lady approaches a table anymore? Is that no longer a thing?

Corey didn't stand for Leah, Jo didn't for Kail...even though I can't fault that one. Jo probably didn't know any better, being Hispanic and all. We know they're all thugs.

I cannot believe that cow Kail. If she thinks so little of Hispanics and their style, why would she choose to hook up w two of them? And Javi is such a Doofus. I bet money he knows she thinks she's better than his clan just bc she's white, but he's smart enough to not say it.

Edited October 2, 2014 by Brooklynista

[WhitneyWhit]

So Kail apparently wants Jo to drape 25 scarfs around Isaac's neck, regardless of weather.

 

And Kail, if you have to say "Obviously I'm not a racist" well.....

 

And are Leah and Cory confusing "downgrade" for "degrade"?

[fliptopbox]

"When Jo is dressing Isaac, I want him to consider me" 

 

Why?  That is fucking ridiculous.  He's *four*, I know there are more clothing options for kids than there used to be, but come on.  

If she's in a totally different state I would say she does not need to be considered. Also, how is any 4 year old's clothes considered thuggish? As far as I've seen from the show Jo dresses Isaac completely appropriately for his age. Kail's a control freak asshole.

[RedKoolAide]

I can't stand Leah. As dumb as she is she has the nerve to be condescending to Corey.

[WhitneyWhit]

Barb can see that Janell is a grownup? Get new glasses, babe.

[FlowerofCarnage]

Kail continues to put her foot into her mouth or more like her five chins. Lots of young men of various racial backgrounds who are into hip hop/urban culture dress that way!Matter of fact, Jo dresses that way and always has...funny how that never seemed to bother Kail when she was fucking him, got pregnant and mooched off of his family!

Edited October 2, 2014 by FlowerofCarnage

[RedKoolAide]

Jenelle is a manipulative cow.

[fliptopbox]

Whoa! I just caught a shot of Germy with baby Adderall!

 

The reunion special looks like another Sad Panda parade. Why Dr Drew coddles these girls anymore is beyond me. They're not fragile 16 year olds anymore.

[Mya Stone]

I found it kind of hysterical that in the clip they showed of Issac and Jo at the park Issac was in a striped t shirt and when he was home with Kail he was in a deep v neck.

High five, editors. High five.

[ghoulina]

Okay, let me just start with the elephant in the room - Kail. Her comments about Isaac's haircut were ignorant, unnecessary, and totally hypocritical. First of all, Isaac isn't a "little, white boy". He is biracial, with a Hispanic father and white mother. Also, plenty of little, white boys have buzz cuts, including mine. She wants to whine about two different cultures, but Issac's step-dad is Hispanic and HE has a buzz cut as well. 

 

FTR, I thought Isaac looked totally cute with her new haircut. And it obviously wasn't too wretched to prevent Kail from taking a selfie with him. Loved her passive aggressive digs at Jo while his son is right there. 

 

What it all boils down to is - Kail is a control freak. She claims that haircut is "not who Isaac is", and that when Jo dresses him he should think of Kail. Um, no. He should think of Isaac. Let Isaac decide who he is and what he likes. He probably likes shaving his head because both male figures in his life do. 

 

So let it be. But I would not fault her at all if she called Jo out on looking like the Hamburgler in his striped tee. 

 

 

 

Leah and Cory's situation depresses me. I can't imagine being divorced and not getting to see my kids every day. I feel for Cory, wanting more time with him. And how awesome that he'd take that crazy weekend job in order to get that. How can Leah sit there and slam him as a parent when all he cares about is those girls? Without a doubt. And Miranda is a real peach as well - driving up to Ali's doctor's appointment. I'm glad she got the official chair, but please everyone - stop letting Aleeah play with it!!!

 

 

Chelsea.....the speed dating was kind of funny. I could watch some more of that. 

 

 

 

We rarely see Jenelle holding Kaiser Roll. It's usually Nathan. I do NOT want her to get Jace back. I hope she fucks up royally over this next year, so it doesn't happen. Jace certainly doesn't seem to want to go. He looked totally scared when they brought it up to him. I would be. Nathan thinks Barb yells and uses foul language? Well, yes she does - and I hate it. But so do you and Jenelle! It got so bad one night when Jace was there that Jenelle felt the need to have Barb come get him out of there. So how are you two any better? 

 

I thought Barb had some really valid points, and was glad to see her really thinking of how this would effect Jace. The whole thing is a mess. I know Jenelle is his biological mother, but how do you take a kid from the life he's known for 4 years because she's finally decided (out of spite!) she will deign to be a mother now?

[fliptopbox]

I hate how Barb, Jenelle, Nips yell over each other all the time....I wish they would learn how to listen.

They kinda remind me of the crew on Real Housewives of New Jersey with that.

[Chicken Wing]

"I am not a racist. I just don't want you to dress Isaac like a thug when he's supposed to be a white boy."

[RedKoolAide]

The look on Rhoda's (Gracie's) face when she was riding Ali's wheelchair was scary. Leah and Corey need to stop letting her ride it. It's not a toy.

I've never liked Kail and this episode solidified why. I always had an inkling that Kail was prejudiced. I can't put my finger on it but she was always off to me. She likes to come off as progressive but she really isn't.

Chelsea might be boring to watch but I'll take that over nonstop drama with Adam. She seems happier and she's working without having gotten married, divorced, and having a second child before she turned 25. Thumbs up from me.

No words for Jenelle.

[WhitneyWhit]

Jo seriously needs a medal, because the second Kail snapped "What, what about it" at me, I would have flipped that table Theresa Guidice style, I'm not even playing.

[fliptopbox]

The thing is she doesn't seem to really want to be a mother at all. With Kaiser she's only been shown being a spectator. Nipples seems to have been doing all the real caretaking. Hell, during that entire exchange Nipples was feeding and holding Kaiser. Jenelle doesn't look interested at all. I care more about my dog than she does about those kids.

[lgprimes]

Isaac is so amazingly loving that I have to believe that overall the adults in his life are doing a good job with him. All Kail had to say was "please don't dress him like a thug". Horrible that she brought racial stereotypes into it. I do think based on her repeated apologies on Twitter that she learned from her mistake.

Once again Jace made me tear up, not knowing what to say about where he wants to live. Neither option is great. I really want that little boy to come live with ME!

Edited October 2, 2014 by lgprimes

[spidermiss2426]

Okay so after last week's preview,  I was TOTALLY willing to give kail the benefit of the doubt to the white boy thing thinking maybe it was taken out of context... but WTF, Kail??

 

I'm half white and half Mexican, and I was raised to know/be both and also know my racial background without stereotypes.  Growing up I even had dolls of both types (and I was born in 1977, not many hispanic looking dolls back then).  And my Dad told me the history of being Mexican American while still respecting my Mom's side.  And my parents never argued about this, which I think is awesome.  So what the actual freak? "you dress him like a thug" she says AFTER she said "you gave him a non-white boy haircut and white people don't dress like that" which basically implies that she thinks hispanic or any other minority equals thug?

 

Janelle, if your son says he doesn't want to live with you, and you have to prompt him to RELUCTANTLY say he does want to live with you, guess what??  He doesn't want to live with you.

 

All I will say about Leah's story is... YAY ALI!!!  YOU go little chick!!  Improvement in your legs AND you finally get your pink wheelchair.  YAY!!

 

Chelsea was boring this week. 

[CaliforniaLove]

Time to go to twitter to see what Javi has to say now about his bae's words being taking out of content...

[WhitneyWhit]

She sure didn't, Leah isn't for anything that will make her look less like a victim. I thought the closing montage was great: there was Cory and Miranda in the backyard with the girlses,, yet whenever they show Leah and the girlses, you find Leah in the corner crying and shaking like a wet cat, while the girlses crawl around on the floor.

[charmed1]

Ugh, I can't even deal with the sorry racist pile of slop that is Kail. Jo has every right to confront her about the racist shit she's putting in his son's head. Her sorry ass didn't even have a pot to piss in when those "thugs" took her in and provided a place for her to lay her giant head. I guess maybe Jo thought with Javi there, Isaac would be shielded from that type of ignorance, but clearly, he's worthless.

I love how Isaac turned the tables on Kail when she started with her manipulative bullshit about his hair. "I liked your hair before your dad shaved it off." Isaac: "Yeah, if it grows too long, I'll look like a girl." Ha. High five Isaac.

Poor Jace. I felt so bad for him being asked by those two addicts if he wanted to live with them. Barbara had every right to be concerned about Nathan's drinking. You went to jail, dumb ass. Who in their right mind would just turn a child over to somebody like that? And Nathan, if you don't want Barbara to talk about you, keep your ass at home.

[PlanetSassy]

It was terrifying when Nathan started raging on Barbara as he held Kaiser Roll. There was no reason for him to be there, except to make sure Janelle said what he wanted her to say. Barbara almost had me in tears, until she started commending Janelle for some explicable reason.

[Nothx]

If Corey just wants more time with the girls why wouldn't he just go after more time? Instead he goes in both guns blazing after full custody. He gets a free pass around here because the leah hate is so thick. Now that Corey is using "downgrade" are the negative nellies going to pick on him too?

Personally I don't like to pick on idiots and BOTH of them fall deep into that category. As dumb as they are, both Corey and Leah seem to genuinely love their kids so I feel they should have 50/50 custody. The kids shouldn't be deprived of either parent barring abuse.

[fliptopbox]

It was terrifying when Nathan started raging on Barbara as he held Kaiser Roll. There was no reason for him to be there, except to make sure Janelle said what he wanted her to say. Barbara almost had me in tears, until she started commending Janelle for some explicable reason.

I noticed that too. Jenelle is becoming his puppet. Everything is about Nipples, and keeping him happy. It's obvious he has complete control in their relationship. With the Jace situation she's trying to think for herself...or at least let Jace express himself so she can use that as her reasoning....but she's even screwing that up too.

[Nothx]

Poor Jace. I felt so bad for him being asked by those two addicts if he wanted to live with them. Barbara had every right to be concerned about Nathan's drinking. You went to jail, dumb ass. Who in their right mind would just turn a child over to somebody like that? And Nathan, if you don't want Barbara to talk about you, keep your ass at home.

Jace's face broke my heart. It's obvious to anybody that he wants to stay with Barb, where it's safe. Nathan gives me the creeps.

[GreatKazu]

If Corey just wants more time with the girls why wouldn't he just go after more time? Instead he goes in both guns blazing after full custody

Cory is not seeking full-custody. He is wanting to have the girls during the week while Leah gets the weekends. In other words, they trade what is already in place. Full-custody means 100 percent of the time with him. I can pull up the legal definition if you'd like.

Edited October 2, 2014 by GreatKazu

[Nothx]

It was terrifying when Nathan started raging on Barbara as he held Kaiser Roll. There was no reason for him to be there, except to make sure Janelle said what he wanted her to say. Barbara almost had me in tears, until she started commending Janelle for some explicable reason.

I agree. His face was immediately red and sweaty. The devil doesn't take much persuading to come out of that one.

[PlanetSassy]

I can't believe Jo drove 3 hours to discuss his valid concerns with Kail, and not even 5 minutes into it she just walks out on him and leaves. WTH!? There is NOTHING wrong with how Issac looks when he's with Jo. And how dare she give Issac any impression that there is. It takes a pretty shitty person to insult their child's haircut TO THEIR CHILD.

[Nothx]

Ee is not seeking full-custody. He is wanting to have the girls during the week while Leah gets the weekends. In other words, they trade what is already in place. Full-custody means 100 percent of the time with him. I can pull up the legal definition if you'd like.

I'm sorry, who is Ee? I'm relatively new around here. Full custody isn't actually a legal term, I was using it because that is what is used on the show.

I can't believe Jo drove 3 hours to discuss his valid concerns with Kail, and not even 5 minutes into it she just walks out on him and leaves. WTH!? There is NOTHING wrong with how Issac looks when he's with Jo. And how dare she give Issac any impression that there is. It takes a pretty shitty person to insult their child's haircut TO THEIR CHILD.

I agree. Kail can't even fake it for the cameras. She just keeps digging that hole.

[GreatKazu]

Now that Corey is using "downgrade" are the negative nellies going to pick on him too?

I guess you missed the previous posts.

[wrestlesflamingos]

That's Nathan protecting his vices. It came on the heels of Babs challenging his drinking. So he huffed and puffed trying to intimidate the room. 

[RedKoolAide]

It pissed me off when Nathan was mocking the way Barb speaks. He's an immature asshole. He had the gall to say Barb needs to watch her mouth. How about you respect her in her home? This time Barb had a lot of restraint. She didn't raise her voice until Nipples got hostile.

I seriously hope Jace stays with Barb until he is of legal age. Yes, Barb needs counseling and probably parenting classes, but I think it says a lot when Jace would rather be with Barb than Jenelle and Nathan. He doesn't look afraid when he's with Barb. But he looks terrified at the very idea of living with Nathan.

[GreatKazu]

Full custody isn't actually a legal term, I was using it because that is what is used on the show.

Allow me to be more clear to you. I can pull up the proper legal definition of what it is Cory is seeking in court.

[GreatKazu]

Boy, Kail has her defense all set and out there by her friend who wants to reveal what really happened with the racist comment. Strange, if this was a set-up, why did Kail apologize and then post on her Twitter how worried she was about tonight's show? Total bullshit:

http://theashleysrealityroundup.com/2014/10/01/exclusive-friend-of-kail-lowry-tells-real-story-of-racist-text-on-tonights-teen-mom-2/

 

She can spin it all she wants. The point is, she did text those messages and she did say those ugly words.

Edited October 2, 2014 by GreatKazu

[Nothx]

Allow me to be more clear to you. I can pull up the proper legal definition of what it is Cory is seeking in court.

I know the definition and the term but thank you for your kindness.