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Bertha deals with unwanted rumors in the press...and the sudden arrival of her sister Monica.

After giving a talk in Newport, Peggy and her mother encounter the aloof Mrs. Kirkland.

Meanwhile, a grieving Ada attempts a new way to communicate with Luke, and Borden learns more about Mrs. Bruce's past.

Air Date: Jul 13, 2025

 

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The Gilded Age Season 3 | Episode 4 Preview | Max

 

RachelKM

RachelKM

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Well, the show didn't lose its nerve and let Gladys out of her mother's machinations. So, there that. Guess we will cross the pond a bit this season.

The Duke of Debt is still being reasonably nice to Gladys, at least. But, yike to Lady Sourpuss. Hopefully, Gladys finds the backbone with her; she never quite managed with her mother. But if it ever happens, I doubt we'll see it. That is a whole different show.

Can we keep Bertha's sister for a few episodes? That dynamic is interesting. It is apparent that Bertha loves her sister and that Aunt Monica understands and loves her as well. 

I'm finding Peggy's story really interesting. And, as unrealistic as it is, I'm glad we got Aurora attending her talk, if for no other reason than it reminds us that this is all happening in the same show. Maybe someone got the memo from the season that giving Peggy a story and then setting her wholly apart from the rest of the cast was not what anyone meant by "I'd like to see more about and from Peggy." Heck, we've even had interaction between the Van Rhijn/Brooks household and the Scott family. 

Yay, Jack.  I assume he and Larry discussed selling the patent rights outright since he didn't seem especially shocked by the sale so much as the amount. His stunned reaction and then dazed drift home were sweet and some lovely lightness in an episode that was filled with so much tension elsewhere. 

43 minutes ago, nilyank said:

Only would Julian Fellowes thinks someone who comes into a nice big fortune would like to keep quiet and remain a footman.

But then there's that. I do look forward to Agnes learning that even her footman is now wealthier than she is. She might vibrate into dust. 

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magdalene

magdalene

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I am still waiting for the other shoe to drop.

Gladys will need some fortitude and get up and go to make a half way decent life for herself now. Even a strong-willed woman would be facing difficulties in her situation. I wish I believed Gladys had the will power to be a Lisa Kleypas heroine.

I wish I believed the footman will actually see a penny of that fortune. I think Larry may lose it all.

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sistermagpie

sistermagpie

8 minutes ago, nilyank said:

Only would Julian Fellowes thinks someone who comes into a nice big fortune would like to keep quiet and remain a footman.

It doesn't get more Fellowes than that. Of course he thinks that the servants feel like the house is their home and they're family. They'd all work for free if they could, they love the rich folks so much!

Jack's stunned look was hilarious.

8 minutes ago, nilyank said:

Lady Sarah is going to make Gladys miserable.

Seriously, I hope Gladys does find a way and Adelheid helps. Lady Pill can go live with the grouse.

I felt genuinely sorry for Gladys, though, crying through the wedding and then going dutifully to her marriage bed. Too bad she wasn't sea sick.

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chaifan

chaifan

Well, damn.  I was wrong.  I was certain this marriage was not going to happen.  (I have avoided all previews and anything that could remotely spoil it.)  Up until the very end, with the "I will" from Gladys, I was expecting something to blow it up.  Eh, I was wrong.

Wedding stuff first...  I don't understand what happened to the 6th bridesmaid that caused Marian to step in. Did anyone catch that?  And was Bertha really considering asking an Astor daughter to step in as a substitute bridesmaid at the last minute?  I would think that would have been a huge no-no and societal blunder.  Did anyone else wonder for just a little bit whether what Gladys was wearing in her room was her nightgown or her wedding dress?  George's whole "I'll give you 10 minutes" was baffling - there's no way Gladys could go from nightgown to fully dressed (and make up) in 10 minutes.  But wow!  I loved her wedding dress, and the giant train & veil.  And the tiara!  Oh!  The tiara!

I don't think we needed the scene with JP Morgan - all the business stuff could have waited until the next episode.  It seemed shoehorned in, and did nothing for the episode.

I love Bertha's sister, but I will admit to loving the scheme to get her into a new dress.  Of course, there's -0- chance that anything Bertha owns could be "altered" to fit her sister.  They aren't even close to being the same size.  Eh, I'll handwave it.  

Jack the Clockmaker...  Holy crap!  I really had no idea how many 0's were going to be at the end of that digit.  Thanks @chitowngirl for the translation to today's money.  That's crazy money.  Did we know before that this was a 50/50 split for Jack & Larry?  Larry just made some serious bank for not a lot of work.  I suppose this gives him more bargaining power over Bertha when it comes to who he wants to marry.  Or, will he bail out dear old Dad, and if so, will he lose it all or become just as rich as George?  The scene with Jack and the cook was sweet.  Agnes & Ada may end up with no staff - I could see Jack giving them all enough to retire on.  ooh!  I can't wait for Mrs. Armstrong to find out!

Ada and the seance... Hey, it's Mrs. Maisel's mom!  I really wanted Oscar to be the one to expose the fraud.  I think that was a missed opportunity.

Housekeeper & Chef... well, that came out of nowhere.  I wonder what the point of having her being married is.  It was a nice scene, though.  Does every servant have a deep secret?  Fake background, secret rich daughter, secret husband, believing in mediums, $8.5 million burning a hole in your pocket...  

Back to the wedding for a second... who was upstairs speed dressing Gladys?  Adelide (sorry, no idea how to spell it) was downstairs the entire time.

 

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txhorns79

txhorns79

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18 minutes ago, nilyank said:

Only would Julian Fellowes thinks someone who comes into a nice big fortune would like to keep quiet and remain a footman.

I don't find it completely absurd.  Jack has no experience with money, has never lived on his own, (from what I remember) did not grow up in a stable environment and I'm sure the kind of change that comes with his new fortune scares him quite a lot.  I might want to hold on to what I know for at least a little while longer.  Think of it like how today you read about people whose lives are absolutely destroyed by winning a fortune in the lottery.  That's may be how Jack looks at it.    

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Ada and the seance... Hey, it's Mrs. Maisel's mom! 

Andrea Martin played the medium.  Marin Hinkle played Mrs. Maisel's mom.  

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Atlanta

Atlanta

14 minutes ago, nilyank said:

Only would Julian Fellowes thinks someone who comes into a nice big fortune would like to keep quiet and remain a footman.

Lady Sarah is going to make Gladys miserable.

I didn't take it that way. Jack is floored and doesn't know quite what to think. He's letting it sink in and nothing is official until he can deposit that check. He has friends within the household. They are his family. Let's say that he got the big check that day... he still would need to find new accommodations. He feels like he is in a weird limbo. He's human and this seems very real. 

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chaifan

chaifan

19 minutes ago, RachelKM said:

The Duke of Debt is still being reasonably nice to Gladys, at least.

Well, except for the "hey, I know you're miserable and don't like me and was forced into this marriage, but I still expect to have sex with you tonight" bit in the cabin.  But yeah, given the time, it could be worse.

How is it they're on a boat that night and Lady Sarah isn't leaving until the next day?  I thought that was weird.  They seemed very attached, and I expected her to pop into the marital suite.  Were there really ships sailing daily between NY and England?  

10 minutes ago, txhorns79 said:

Andrea Martin played the medium.  Marin Hinkle played Mrs. Maisel's mom.  

oops.  Thanks for the correction.  (And sorry to Marin Hinkle, who is 20 years younger than Andrea Martin.  oops!)

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sistermagpie

sistermagpie

25 minutes ago, chaifan said:

Wedding stuff first...  I don't understand what happened to the 6th bridesmaid that caused Marian to step in. Did anyone catch that? 

I think they said she was sick.

25 minutes ago, chaifan said:

 

I love Bertha's sister, but I will admit to loving the scheme to get her into a new dress.  Of course, there's -0- chance that anything Bertha owns could be "altered" to fit her sister.  They aren't even close to being the same size.  Eh, I'll handwave it.  

Knowing Bertha she probably started on letting out the dress a while ago--or was lying that it was hers to begin with. I did like that trick. The dress really was hideous. A cook on her day off was cutting but true.

25 minutes ago, chaifan said:

Housekeeper & Chef... well, that came out of nowhere.  I wonder what the point of having her being married is.  It was a nice scene, though.  Does every servant have a deep secret?  Fake background, secret rich daughter, secret husband, believing in mediums, $8.5 million burning a hole in your pocket...  

IKR? What a hilarious twist. Both of them have secret marriages while not having been married for years.

 

22 minutes ago, Atlanta said:

I didn't take it that way. Jack is floored and doesn't know quite what to think. He's letting it sink in and nothing is official until he can deposit that check. He has friends within the household. They are his family. Let's say that he got the big check that day... he still would need to find new accommodations. He feels like he is in a weird limbo. He's human and this seems very real. 

That's how I took it from Jack's pov, agreed. But I just can't not see JF seeing the servants as loving their rightful place. It's either love being a servant or marry into nobility and come to see how deserving they are from a different pov (looking at you, Tom).

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peridot

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It's rare to see Agnes and Marian speak one on one.  I laughed at the drawn out "hmm" Agnes gave out.

The doctor's mother doesn't even try to appear to be a good person.  I hope Peggy drops the guy soon.  Poor Aurora.  I hope she doesn't harm herself in Newport.

Good for Jack!  I didn't realize that Larry would be getting 50% of his work.  That sucks.

When George said if Gladys tried to speak out as soon as he returned from his trip that he could have stopped the wedding, I don't believe it.  She's been reluctant from the start and he didn't try to help at all.

I really hope that Bertha is smacked down soon.  Her raising her nose on Marian being a part of the wedding rubbed me wrong, especially since Marian has gone out of her way to support her when she was climbing the social ladder.

I was surprised to see that Bertha's ok with her daughter having no support in a foreign country too.  Her statement to George "let me enjoy this" made me want to smack her.  Did she decide to completely ignore the tears on her daughter's face??  I'm glad they didn't show the marriage consummation.  

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iMonrey

iMonrey

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1 hour ago, RachelKM said:

It is apparent that Bertha loves her sister and that Aunt Monica understands and loves her as well. 

Is it? I don't see it at all. Seems like Bertha's just embarrassed by her. But I agree in hoping to see more of her. She's a hoot. And I'm partial to Merritt Weaver anyway. 

Same goes for Andrea Martin as the medium. This is far more interesting than the temperance garbage.

How did Bertha orchestrate her sister spilling the coffee? Did she have Church grease the cup or something? I missed it.

13 minutes ago, Souris said:

I can't believe Bertha invited her former maid to the wedding.

Yeah that doesn't make a lot of sense. She felt shoehorned into that scene. 

This show must cost a fortune in costumes alone.

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txhorns79

txhorns79

15 minutes ago, Souris said:

I can't believe Bertha invited her former maid to the wedding.

I guess it's a society thing?  She has to be invited because of to whom she is married?  

 

1 hour ago, chaifan said:

I love Bertha's sister, but I will admit to loving the scheme to get her into a new dress. 

I love how her sister is completely unimpressed by Bertha, and does not care at all about her society scheming.  Merritt Weaver was the perfect casting choice for the role. 

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sistermagpie

sistermagpie

22 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

How did Bertha orchestrate her sister spilling the coffee? Did she have Church grease the cup or something? I missed it.

 

5 minutes ago, Souris said:

Church orchestrated the cup to break. He and Bertha exchanged a “look” right before.

What makes it even better is that this episode had a whole plot thing about how they had so little time that they had to replace the bridesmaid with Marion because she was the same size as the other girl while meanwhile Monica can just slip into one of her totally different shaped and sized sister's old dresses with a little tailoring in even less time.

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RachelKM

RachelKM

17 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

Is it? I don't see it at all. Seems like Bertha's just embarrassed by her. But I agree in hoping to see more of her. She's a hoot. And I'm partial to Merritt Weaver anyway. 

Two things can be true. I think Bertha was ambivalent about someone from her pre-society life, one who isn't even interested in the NYC Elite, being present and reminding everyone where she came from, while also genuinely loving and enjoying the presence of her sister. Their exchanges were not filled with the haughty disdain Bertha is more than capable of. It was more exasperation and resignation that there was no convincing her sister to play along.  

It appeared to me that there was fondness even in that exasperation and resignation. 

She may have been as protective of her desire to have her sister look the part as she was of her desire not to be embarrassed herself. Her desire to prevent her sister from being the focus of her society's waspish tongues appeared genuine. We've seen enough of Bertha's defensiveness and excuses, and this didn't have her usual level of bite.

And Bertha didn't bite her head off or snap at Monica when she expressed her obvious doubt (and concern) that Bertha had really achieved the satisfaction she seemed to profess.

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txhorns79

txhorns79

16 minutes ago, RachelKM said:

She may have been as protective of her desire to have her sister look the part as she was of her desire not to be embarrassed herself. Her desire to prevent her sister from being the focus of her society's waspish tongues appeared genuine. We've seen enough of Bertha's defensiveness and excuses, and this didn't have her usual level of bite.

I feel like Monica could give two F's about what society thinks of her.  I think Bertha wanted her sister to look a particular way because her "cook's day off" outfit would reflect badly on Bertha.  After all, this wedding is Bertha's crowning achievement, and talk about her sister's outfit would take away from the Bertha of it all.  

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RachelKM

RachelKM

6 minutes ago, txhorns79 said:

I feel like Monica could give two F's about what society thinks of her.  I think Bertha wanted her sister to look a particular way because her "cook's day off" outfit would reflect badly on Bertha.  After all, this wedding is Bertha's crowning achievement, and talk about her sister's outfit would take away from the Bertha of it all.  

As I said, I think so too. But that not all I saw. I could be wrong. But I saw it as both protection of her her position but also protectiveness of her sister. That Monica didn't give a half a fuck doesn't mean that Bertha didn't think about it. Bertha thinks a lot of things are for someone else's good that are in fact for her good and/or her projecting her feeling about things on to them.

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Roseanna

Roseanna

3 hours ago, nilyank said:

Only would Julian Fellowes thinks someone who comes into a nice big fortune would like to keep quiet and remain a footman.

 

2 hours ago, sistermagpie said:

It doesn't get more Fellowes than that. Of course he thinks that the servants feel like the house is their home and they're family. They'd all work for free if they could, they love the rich folks so much!

In the Downton Abbey there was difference in between Mr Carson and Mrs Hughes. He adored Ladt Mary, but she didn't And she didn't want to be married in her workplace!

MJ Frog

MJ Frog

"Go to bed George, and wake up sensible." Ouch. Jesus Bertha.

I know we're supposed to like Monica, and I do very much appreciate her take on all this, but she's also kind of a judgy poop. At first I thought the Coffee Maneuver was a way of getting her out of the room because she was being so obnoxious to the guests.

I do not approve of the way the Duke handled the wedding night. Period appropriate I suppose, but you might think of patiently easing into a physical relationship with your bride who was crying through her vows. Man, if we continue on the Consuelo Vanderbilt path, things are going to get messy. Mess-ee.

Roseanna

Roseanna

2 hours ago, peridot said:

When George said if Gladys tried to speak out as soon as he returned from his trip that he could have stopped the wedding, I don't believe it.  She's been reluctant from the start and he didn't try to help at all.

When George came from his journey, the duke hadn't even proposed. If Gladys had then spoken to his father that she would never accept her duke, he would probably have backed her. And despite Bertha's threats, Billy should have dared to speak to George.

Although George advised Gladys to listen to the duke, she had then her last possibility to say no. It's undestandable that she couldn't: at the moment she was disappointed with Billy and suspected that he had never loved her, that she didn't know anything about love and, although Larry tried to convince otherwise, that she would never find love, i.e. nobody would ever love her for herself.

 After the engagement became public, there was no way out to for Gladys. As Marian said, it would have caused a scandal that would have harmed not only the duke but herself. Would anybody in the society have wanted to marry her after that? It would have demanded a woman who had a different character and who could have imagine herself a future outside the society to say no in the church. 

Marian's words were interesting: a marriage based on love can fail whereas a marriage to which a bride has been forced can be happy. (Now Bertha is indebted to Marian!)

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Brn2bwild

Brn2bwild

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3 hours ago, RachelKM said:

Yay, Jack.  I assume he and Larry discussed selling the patent rights outright since he didn't seem especially shocked by the sale so much as the amount. His stunned reaction and then dazed drift home were sweet and some lovely lightness in an episode that was filled with so much tension elsewhere. 

I'm not sure Jack knew what was going on when they started throwing around numbers.  Even though this was a great outcome for him, I was a little ticked we didn't see him and Larry discuss first, and that his patent was sold entirely so he could never earn a percentage of the revenue his clock would generate.

Was anyone else surprised to learn that Jack's money would make him way richer than Agnes and nearly as rich as Ada?  Somehow I thought the 400 came from uber-rich families - like even though they weren't nearly as rich as the Russells, that they would still be worth, like, $50M apiece (in today's dollars).

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Roseanna

Roseanna

So Agnes, Ada and Marian order dresses they like and the dressmaker presents the bill, formerly to Agnes and now to Ada. Ada is really really paying back to Agnes all humilations she had endured from her side ("Do you really need a new dress when you never go out.") 

Still, Ada's remark to Mrs Astor about the newspaper was rude. A good person doesn't do things like that. 

BTV, Mrs Astor still commands her daughter although she is married. Bertha isn't the only one! 

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Roseanna

Roseanna

33 minutes ago, Brn2bwild said:

I'm not sure Jack knew what was going on when they started throwing around numbers.  Even though this was a great outcome for him, I was a little ticked we didn't see him and Larry discuss first, and that his patent was sold entirely so he could never earn a percentage of the revenue his clock would generate.

Because Jack didn't disagree, I think Larry and Jack had discussed about the alternatives. It was only that he didn't undestand what "3" and "6" meant. Without Larry, he would probably have accepted a much smaller sum.

If he had insisted on getting percentage, he would have to wait maybe decades to earn as much as he got now - on the condition that his clock would become a commercial success which nobody could guarantee beforehand.

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Roseanna

Roseanna

1 hour ago, MJ Frog said:

I do not approve of the way the Duke handled the wedding night. Period appropriate I suppose, but you might think of patiently easing into a physical relationship with your bride who was crying through her vows. Man, if we continue on the Consuelo Vanderbilt path, things are going to get messy. Mess-ee.

Yeh - get quickly away with "the unpleasant things". 

But the duke knows that the marriage isn't valid if it's not consummated.

There was a British serie based on famous couple in 19th century where a wife got annulment on that basis.

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AntFTW

AntFTW

5 hours ago, nilyank said:

Only would Julian Fellowes thinks someone who comes into a nice big fortune would like to keep quiet and remain a footman.

I found one aspect believable, and it’s that Jack felt overwhelmed and trying to clear your mind to think rationally about the next step is difficult after receiving a disgustingly large sum of money. It’s hard to describe but the best description I can come up with is like being frozen in fear, especially when he has nothing to keep his mind off of it or keep him busy anymore.

5 hours ago, RachelKM said:

Can we keep Bertha's sister for a few episodes? That dynamic is interesting. It is apparent that Bertha loves her sister and that Aunt Monica understands and loves her as well. 

I love that she’s also stubborn like Bertha 😂

5 hours ago, RachelKM said:

But then there's that. I do look forward to Agnes learning that even her footman is now wealthier than she is. She might vibrate into dust. 

I hope he doesn’t let Oscar manage his money. 😭😭😭

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AntFTW

AntFTW

5 hours ago, nilyank said:

Lady Sarah is going to make Gladys miserable.

Lady Sarah is the daughter of a Duke. Why has she not found some wealthy British merchant to marry?

5 hours ago, sistermagpie said:

I felt genuinely sorry for Gladys, though, crying through the wedding and then going dutifully to her marriage bed. Too bad she wasn't sea sick.

Same. I felt so bad. 😢

5 hours ago, chaifan said:

The scene with Jack and the cook was sweet.

Mrs. Bauer has been the realest person in this show. 😭😭😭

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Roseanna

Roseanna

8 minutes ago, AntFTW said:

I found one aspect believable, and it’s that Jack felt overwhelmed and trying to clear your mind to think rationally about the next step is difficult after receiving a disgustingly large sum of money. It’s hard to describe but the best description I can come up with is like being frozen in fear, especially when he has nothing to keep his mind off of it or keep him busy anymore.

Yes, sudden success can be just as traumatic as misfortune.  Jack is sensible not to make any decisions at once.

He can now change his life so totally that he needs an instructor in almost all its aspects. Can Larry be such?  

He is hardly a man who would be content with "not needing to work any more", it's different to work fgor money and work for passion. It would be best if he he found a new passion. Until then, stydying (not necssarily formally), travelling, getting to know people in various businesses and most of all, pondering what he wants next.

BTV, he can now afford to marry, hopefully not in haste. 

12 minutes ago, AntFTW said:

Lady Sarah is the daughter of a Duke. Why has she not found some wealthy British merchant to marry?

Impossible. As Jane Austen's novel show, a gentleman couldn't earn his living. 

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AntFTW

AntFTW

3 hours ago, Roseanna said:

In the Downton Abbey there was difference in between Mr Carson and Mrs Hughes. He adored Ladt Mary, but she didn't And she didn't want to be married in her workplace!

I just started binge watching this over the weekend. I get the references now. I feel so proud of myself! 😭

I'd watched Belgravia before, and now Downton Abbey... and it all just meshes together.

19 minutes ago, Roseanna said:

Impossible. As Jane Austen's novel show, a gentleman couldn't earn his living.

Better than being homeless... possibly.

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Fake Jan Brady

Fake Jan Brady

6 hours ago, Atlanta said:

Jack is honorable and after finding a new home he would put in his notice. He's a quality person. He would help train his replacement even though he is now rich. He is not the type to go nuts and waste it all. I'm cheering for clock dude! I hope he invents more things. 

He could buy a house and employ his "family" [bar Armstrong].

 

I loved Turner's awkward evasiveness when Mrs Fish asked how she could have ever possibly ever met Bertha's sister.

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AntFTW

AntFTW

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4 hours ago, Brn2bwild said:

Was anyone else surprised to learn that Jack's money would make him way richer than Agnes and nearly as rich as Ada?  Somehow I thought the 400 came from uber-rich families - like even though they weren't nearly as rich as the Russells, that they would still be worth, like, $50M apiece (in today's dollars).

Everyone is richer than Agnes. Agnes has no money.

But I was shocked to hear that he is as nearly as rich as Ada. We had no real idea how rich Ada was.

In today's dollar, I'd say the Russells are likely more than $50M. The Russells are based on the Vanderbilts (and maybe a couple of other figures from the Gilded Age). I recall reading that Cornelius Vanderbilt died with a net worth of $100 million. That's billions in today's dollars. That was considered a rather unthinkable amount of money at the time. By the time his son died, which is less than a decade later, the family fortune had nearly doubled. In the first season, George had enough money to keep his company's stock from crashing after the aldermen took a short position on it. It takes a colossal amount of money to do that, and that was based on a real event in which Cornelius Vanderbilt actually did buy shares of his company to squeeze the city council members' short position.

The Astors were also a significantly wealthy family, much more wealthy than most. I read that the Astor family net worth was around $50 million at the time, about $1.5 billion today.

If I had to guess, I'd say most of these old money people were probably worth somewhere between $10 million and $50 million in today's dollars.

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AntFTW

AntFTW

7 hours ago, peridot said:

It's rare to see Agnes and Marian speak one on one.  I laughed at the drawn out "hmm" Agnes gave out.

1 hour ago, AntFTW said:

Agreed. I thought it was nice to see Agnes taking an interest in having a more personal relationship with Marian, as Ada does with Marian.

To add, this was the most open Agnes has been to the possibility of Marian marrying Larry. I imagine that is because the Russells have successfully made their way into society.

Roseanna

Roseanna

5 minutes ago, AntFTW said:

To add, this was the most open Agnes has been to the possibility of Marian marrying Larry. I imagine that is because the Russells have successfully made their way into society.

Plus, Marian broke her engagement with Dashiell who was from Agnes's POV her niece's best option. She has no other suitors than Larry.

However, Marian is aware that she isn't good enough to Bertha. She seems also have doubt if she wants such a life as Bertha would be insist on her daughter-in-law to live.

As somebody already said, Larry has now enough money for his family to live comfartably without financial support of his father. Unless he gives his money to George's risky business.

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