S02.E05: I Have Friends Everywhere

[Mr. Sparkle]

Cassian on Ghorman. Syril on Coruscant. Bix failing. Wilmon trapped. Kleya has a serious problem.

[Morrigan2575]

Things are getting interesting.  I knew they shouldn't trust Cyrill...don't get played Rebels! 

I'm worried about Bix, if she becomes a threat to the alliance Luthen will have her killed. 

Of course Saw goes back on his word/deal. Poor Wilmon, he's going to be a captive and as much as I love Saw he can't be trusted.

Edited April 30 by Morrigan2575

[dwmarch]

I love the vibe of the Ghorman scenes. So very French with the trenchcoats and the berets and the gloves. Old school spy thriller shit. Awesome, even if not much happened.

Umm Wilmon, Saw just told you he was crazy. Don't take "when and when not to wear your safety gear" advice from him. However, other than that, I'm glad the methylamine heist went well and no kids died this time!

On the other hand, Cassian says the Great Ghorman Train Robbery is a no. Thinking back to Aldhani are we? "All we have to do is roll the loot down this here tunnel!" Yeah, somebody is totally getting squashed if they do that. It's been a couple of years but it's still too soon.

Props to Syril for being the ultimate spy. It would be hilarious if he bumped into Cassian at that cafe.

[thuganomics85]

I'm not sure if I really want to know what just transpired between Syril and Dedra in the dark for that hour, but the curiosity will honestly always be there.  Their sex life has to be one for the books.  Between that and his "This is the happiest day of my life" over Partagaz' praise (and her reaction to that), I'm kind of loving this weird, creepy couple.  Still want their downfall to be epic, but I'm going to enjoy the ride while I can!

Cassian in Ghorman was great: complete with him embracing the French flavored outfits and whatnot in order to be undercover.  Not surprised that he found a lot of flaws in their plan and doesn't think they are ready (and that's not even including the knowledge that they are being played by Syril), but I understand why Carro think this heist needs to happen for the sake of Ghorman and its future.  As usual, one of my favorite things about this series has been the different variations of the rebellion, and seeing their pros and cons on screen.

 Luthen is having a rough one, to put it mildly.  When he's not trying to stop Bix from medicating herself to the point of making things worse for herself, he finds out that a bug they had on one of Davo's art pieces might get discovered, since he discovered another item was a forgery.  Looks like it's time to try and pull off an art heist!  Did love Kleya giving Luthen a few moments to go on his normal-style rant, and then shut his shit down when he was just getting personal and needed to focus on the matter at hand.  The stories she no doubt could tell!

Wilmon is at least still alive, but getting deeper into Saw's clutches will probably be a bad thing.  If Luthen is arguably a shades of grey character, Saw really is coming off the closest to being an actual bad guy, but one that just happens to be on the right side of a war.  Granted, to more you hear about his past, the more it is obvious he was probably always going to head down a path like this.

A lot of great acting moments in this one.  The cast in general is strong, but it felt like this episode had a lot of meaty material for them to shine for this episode.

[MJ Frog]

"They have their own rules. Nothing else matters." Well that hits close to home.

I wonder if any of the Ghorman set is a real place. They've either done an amazing job at location scouting (a Star Wars universe specialty) or built an incredible set.

[Fool to cry]

5 hours ago, MJ Frog said:

"They have their own rules. Nothing else matters." Well that hits close to home.

I wonder if any of the Ghorman set is a real place. They've either done an amazing job at location scouting (a Star Wars universe specialty) or built an incredible set.

They built an incredible set. From Star Wars.com:

The over 500-foot-long outdoor Ghorman set was built on the same Pinewood Studios backlot that once housed the Jakku village and Maz’s castle ruins sets for The Force Awakens, Jedha City for Rogue One, and the Kessel landing area for Solo: A Star Wars Story.

Ghorman was a complex build, encompassing the IOC lobby, hotel lobby, and café interiors, as well as the plaza, streets, hotel and Imperial balconies, and heist escape tunnel exteriors.

 

After last week's episodes I learned that the Ghorman massacre was something from Expanded Universe. 

https://nerdist.com/article/andor-ghorman-massacre-began-in-star-wars-rpgs/

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In 1990, author Paul Murphy wrote West End Game’s Rebel Alliance Sourcebook, where the Ghorman Massacre was first mentioned.

In that sourcebook, the event on Ghorman happened only one year after the declaration of Palpatine’s New Order. According to the Rebel Alliance Sourcebook, this massacre occurred when Governor Tarkin landed his starship on a group of protesters on Ghorman blocking its landing pad. At least dozens died, with hundreds more injured. The people of Ghorman, a wealthy planet, were protesting the new Imperial taxes placed on their world. In the original sourcebook timeline, this tragic event inspired Bail Organa to join Mon Mothma in plotting a rebellion. Of course, deleted scenes from Revenge of the SithOpens in a new tab show that Bail and Mon organized even before the Empire was formally declared.

Someone at Lucasfilm remembered the Ghorman Massacre from the RPG, however. In 2016, a new version of the infamous Ghorman Massacre became canon in the Fantasy Flight Games RPG sourcebook, Age of Rebellion: Forged in Battle. In this version, Lucasfilm canonized it as 2 BBY, two years before the events of Rogue One/A New Hope. Mon Mothma’s appearance in the 2017 Rebels episode “Secret CargoOpens in a new tab” confirmed this. Lucasfilm further canonized this in the novel The Rise and Fall of the Galactic Empire. The book confirmed the event as an Imperial massacre on the planet itself, not the death of Ghorman citizens elsewhere. But it was still unclear what the incident actually was, or if it had anything to do with Tarkin still.

Andor just found a way to canonize that event from a 35-year-old roleplaying game once again. The event with Tarkin was a Ghorman Massacre, just not the Ghorman Massacre. At least, not the same one Mon Mothma spoke of in Rebels. Nor was it the one that is no doubt coming up later towards the end of Andor season two. Whatever happens next, it’s going to have to be significantly worse than Tarkin landing his ship on a crowd. It has to be something heinous enough, and large enough, that Mon Mothma puts her own life at risk, blaming the Emperor for it directly. This Ghorman Massacre will have to be the tragedy that unites the various rebel cells into the Alliance that ultimately takes down an EmpireOpens in a new tab. But it all began as detail in an RPG from over three decades ago.

I thought the Tarkin incident was already bad they must be planning something REALLY horrible on Ghorman!

[Sarah 103]

11 hours ago, thuganomics85 said:

 Luthen is having a rough one, to put it mildly.  When he's not trying to stop Bix from medicating herself to the point of making things worse for herself, he finds out that a bug they had on one of Davo's art pieces might get discovered, since he discovered another item was a forgery.  Looks like it's time to try and pull off an art heist! 

They don't need to steal the artwork, they just need to remove the bug before it's found. I am looking forward to seeing how it plays out. 

[wanderingstar]

I don’t think I’ve been this enthralled by a show’s sets since Mad Men. Everything looks beautiful, even the parts that aren’t supposed to be. The precision in putting together these locations to give a real sense of place is truly remarkable. Shout to production designer, Luke Hull!

Loved everything having to do with Ghorman – the fashion, the language, the spiders! This felt like a real place with real people. Too bad the Ghorman Front are a shaky, at best, Rebel operation (still a step up from Maya Pei’s gang that couldn’t shoot straight!)

Cassian disguised as a fashion designer was delightful. As he was getting the download on his undercover character, Varian Skye, I kept imagining what that life would be like if it really was Cassian’s.

Syril and Dedra are so creepy together. You just know he was turned on when he said, “I can’t believe you had me followed” to her.

Saw is such a madman and knowing him he’d take that as a compliment. Now, he’s brainwashing poor Wilmon. I shudder to think where he’ll be when we next see him.

“Why are you asking?”

“I’m curious by nature.”

Ha!

 

 

 

[angora]

Ooh, good episode! The relationship between Luthen and Kleya is so fascinating to me. He's obviously the big man in charge with this whole thing, but she's just as steely as he is, albeit in a different way, and she's only one who ever really gives *him* orders.

I love everything about Cassian posing as a fashion designer, and I really like his interactions with the Ghorman Front. I was definitely getting the Aldhani flashbacks too--another inexperienced band of Rebels with more conviction than experience/knowhow. But while the Aldhani Rebels thought he was just a mercenary without a cause, the Ghormans think he’s too slick and corporate for their tastes, without the stomach for what needs to be done.

Again, I can feel the weight of Cassian's losses in how he deals with them. When they describe their heist plan and ask if he's ever done anything like this before, you can practically hear him screaming, "Yes, and over half the team died!!" And when he berates the woman in the cafe about the unscheduled contact, pointing out that he might've been a snitch or an ISB spy, he says, "Maybe you just put everyone you care about into a cell.” Not that she might have exposed the whole operation and blown up their rebel efforts, that everyone she loves might be suffering because of her careless mistakes. How's it going with that survivor's guilt, Cassian?

Poor Wilmon, god. "Revolution is not for the sane," is a hell of a line, but that is *not* a signal to remove your PPE! Then again, he's already seen how volatile Saw is. If he hadn't, what might Saw have done to him?

[Shanna Marie]

This episode felt like a WWII thriller, starting with the sounds of the radio during the intro. Then we had the berets and trenchcoats, so it looked like the French Resistance. There was Cassian's cover identity training -- and for a second I thought he was going into the same diner Obi-Wan visited in Attack of the Clones when he went to get his cover legend.

It's a pity what the Empire has planned for Ghorman, because it seems like one of the few place in the Star Wars universe I'd actually want to visit. It looks like it has nice scenery, an interesting city that's not oppressive, and some culture.

[Raja]

On 4/29/2025 at 11:17 PM, thuganomics85 said:

I'm not sure if I really want to know what just transpired between Syril and Dedra in the dark for that hour, but the curiosity will honestly always be there.  Their sex life has to be one for the books.  Between that and his "This is the happiest day of my life" over Partagaz' praise (and her reaction to that), I'm kind of loving this weird, creepy couple.  Still want their downfall to be epic, but I'm going to enjoy the ride while I can!

Well I want to know. With the greatest day of his life for sure Syril is happier being the spy. Is Dedra into the sex for its own sake, was she alone before her puppy saved her life? Or perhaps as a means to gaina bit more control over her asset lest the Major cuts her out? With the greeting kiss in the doorway of the couple perhaps the lights going off, now after so long apart is just spy trade craft while adding sound effects but just sneering at each other.

On 4/29/2025 at 7:02 PM, Morrigan2575 said:

I'm worried about Bix, if she becomes a threat to the alliance Luthen will have her killed. 

I get the feeling that Cassian will be the one eventually to do it. We know how his story ends; he doesn't have to be the traditional hero protagonist.

[Shanna Marie]

Was the place where Saw's base was the same place that was the Resistance base in The Force Awakens? It looked pretty similar, but I don't know if it's the building style of those hangars/bunkers that's common in the galaxy or if it might have been the same planet and the Resistance used that same facility decades later.

[KimberStormer]

On 4/30/2025 at 7:24 PM, Shanna Marie said:

It's a pity what the Empire has planned for Ghorman, because it seems like one of the few place in the Star Wars universe I'd actually want to visit. It looks like it has nice scenery, an interesting city that's not oppressive, and some culture.

I feel like this is actually one of the virtues of the prequels.  The original trilogy, as the saying goes, had a "lived-in universe", but never really showed places where people actually live: it was always remote outposts and bases in forbidding climates.  Cloud City was I think the only "normal" residential place in those first three movies, and it looked pretty abandoned.  But like, Naboo looked like a nice place to visit.

I do also love the Fantasy France they've made for Ghorman, though...the art nouveau cafe was a great touch.

On 4/29/2025 at 11:17 PM, thuganomics85 said:

 I'm kind of loving this weird, creepy couple.  Still want their downfall to be epic, but I'm going to enjoy the ride while I can!

I'm annoyed Syril is so good at playing double agent, when he can't get through a family dinner without having to lie down like a weirdo; but I guess the knowledge that he's doing something terrible inspires him to keep going!  I also love this bizarre pairing and I can't wait to see them go down.

Thank God Bix is alive, even if she's hooked on some space benadryl.  I do worry about what Luthen might do -- although he was uncharacteristically forgiving when it came to Cassian in season one, they otherwise make him pretty ruthless.  Is Saw really any scarier than him?

As for Saw, he's still my favorite.  Forrest Whittaker really sinking his teeth into it is so delightful.  I thought the conversation between Saw and Luthen in the first season, with Luthen trying to get him to play nice with the other rebels and Saw responding "I am the only one with clarity of purpose" was the best scene in the entire show, and I found this big crazy speech more compelling than the big inspiring speeches of season 1.  I'd like to think this is how Saw gets all his recruits, one by one, with a bizarrely entrancing lunatic speech for each of them.

[Ohiopirate02]

13 hours ago, Raja said:

I get the feeling that Cassian will be the one eventually to do it. We know how his story ends; he doesn't have to be the traditional hero protagonist.

I see a third option--suicide. Bix never sought to be a rebel, she became one due to circumstance. I think she would be happier living anonymously on some quiet planet, but Luthen will never allow it. She's stuck. Her only way out is death. Once she realizes this, she may take matters into her own hands.

Or, Bix and any of the other characters who lack the Rogue One plot armor end up on Alderaan.

[Raja]

7 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I see a third option--suicide. Bix never sought to be a rebel, she became one due to circumstance. I think she would be happier living anonymously on some quiet planet, but Luthen will never allow it. She's stuck. Her only way out is death. Once she realizes this, she may take matters into her own hands.

Or, Bix and any of the other characters who lack the Rogue One plot armor end up on Alderaan.

I think we all saw suicide as a possibility when the previous episode ended with her drugging herself. But as a story it is not as interesting to me as seeing Andor going down the path that Luthen described about himself never seeing the sunrise.

Knowing the ending of Cassian's story means we can do things with him that never could be done with most series heroes. About the only thing to protect is later action figure sales. But as a human with no signature weapon or something that makes him stand apart since as a spy he blends in any action figure sales from a 10 year old movie, even with two adult series as the title character has to be next to nothing no matter what we do with him in the last 9 episodes. 

[SharonH58]

I thought back in season 1 that Dedra and Syrill would make a good couple and had no idea how much fun they would be.   From Dedra putting Syrill's mom in her place to What goes on in the dark,  I love them.    

[AG921]

Well I was quickly proven wrong when I speculated after episode 4 that Dedra looped Syrill in without her superiors knowing which would put Syrill in danger when the Empire thinks he's a real rebel- nope! I should have known that Dedra would have never included him without approval!

Can someone explain to me what Will was even doing for Saw? I get the jist of it, but I don't actually know what he was breathing in or why Saw needed it?

[KimberStormer]

10 hours ago, AG921 said:

Can someone explain to me what Will was even doing for Saw? I get the jist of it, but I don't actually know what he was breathing in or why Saw needed it?

Apparently this is something from the cartoons, but it's fuel for his ships.  I guess the thing that he uses is some kind of universal adapter that lets them steal from many variations of containers?  But the fuel is extremely caustic/explosive so it's very dangerous.

[wanderingstar]

One question I had about this episode - was Pluti actually a spy, or did Tubes plant that transmitter on him when he "discovered" it?

Edited May 3 by wanderingstar

[dwmarch]

20 hours ago, AG921 said:

Can someone explain to me what Will was even doing for Saw? I get the jist of it, but I don't actually know what he was breathing in or why Saw needed it?

They were basically stealing space gasoline. Wilmon has that special machine which can unlock the valves and let the gas flow. This has to be done within certain tolerances or else the gas will leak and probably explode. Wilmon was lent out to Saw's group as a subject matter expert on how to do this. He was only supposed to be there for a day so he could teach the other guy how to do it and then head back to wherever he came from.

As for the gas itself, it is deadly and debilitating in large doses but a person can also get high off it if they are just the right distance away and inhale just a bit. Saw was basically saying to Wilmon "if you're a true believer, you'll huff this gas with me" and Wilmon is too young and shy to say no to drugs.

[tkc]

There's an interesting prop in the Niki-Bon travel agency where Andor booked his trip to Ghorman. If you've ever ridden "Star Tours" at Disneyland, this is the StarSpeeder vehicle that you get to ride in.

So it seems that being the Rebel spy is an actual thing!

Buh-bye!

Edited May 3 by tkc

[jah1986]

This show! I just love it! I knew Saw was going to kill that guy (Pluti?) when he said he needed a name so he could just focus on one variation. But I don't know if the guy was actually a traitor or if Saw set him up.

Poor Wilmon, did he survive taking off his mask? This will not end well for him. If he dies before Bix, that will surely kill her. If Luthen kills her, Cassian will kill Luthen.

Loved Cassian with the Ghorman rebels, they are just inexperienced and don't seem to see the big picture beyond their world, which is understandable.

I almost felt sorry for Dedra "turn off the lights", she did not look happy.

 

[KimberStormer]

On 5/3/2025 at 7:24 AM, wanderingstar said:

One question I had about this episode - was Pluti actually a spy, or did Tubes plant that transmitter on him when he "discovered" it?

Don't think we'll ever know, Saw might well have decided that Willmon is more valuable than Pluti and needed an excuse to keep him around, or a million other possibilities when someone is crazy and paranoid as Saw is.

[SharonH58]

FYI  Pluti was also in GoT as Harry Strickland.  Who brought the ships to Cerci.

[Ilovepie]

On 5/4/2025 at 4:26 AM, jah1986 said:

I almost felt sorry for Dedra "turn off the lights", she did not look happy.

She never looks happy - did you see her practicing smiling in the mirror last episode? It definitely doesn't come naturally to her. RBF cover girl! Look at Syril getting lucky for bringing in the intel! 🤣

On 5/3/2025 at 7:53 AM, dwmarch said:

They were basically stealing space gasoline. Wilmon has that special machine which can unlock the valves and let the gas flow. This has to be done within certain tolerances or else the gas will leak and probably explode. Wilmon was lent out to Saw's group as a subject matter expert on how to do this. He was only supposed to be there for a day so he could teach the other guy how to do it and then head back to wherever he came from.

Thank you for explaining this so succinctly - I googled what the heck was going on and got a bunch of technical names for what Will was doing but it didn't make any sense to me until I read what you wrote!

I absolutely loved Cassian under cover this episode - that cafe scene was great. He utterly destroyed her! And her daddy is gonna regret the day he rejected Cassian's assessment. How can they not see he is correct - you need an escape. It's gonna be like shooting fish in a barrel if they try to steal anything - where are they thinking they can hide it????

[tennisgurl]

This was so good, I love all of this classic spy thriller stuff happening on Ghorman. We start with a radio broadcast, lots of berets and trench coats and the very French codded society, its all very WWII and a really cool way to do a rebellion in the Star Wars universe. We are also getting to see Cassian really in his element, his fashion designer persona was so much fun. 

Cassian is dealing with a new rebel group that is now at least more competent than the jungle idiots, but they clearly are underestimating the lengths the Empire are willing to go to get what they want and are way too trusting when it comes to welcoming people into their rebellion. You cant just conspire with everyone or else its not even really a conspiracy, its just a game of capture the flag. If your not careful, you end up getting infiltrated by guys like Syril. It doesn't help that he is still clearly grieving his losses and suffers from terrible survivors guilt. This whole heist is so obviously reminding him of his first heist in the rebellion and how badly it went, and that on top of every other awful thing that has happened to the people he cares about, its starting to take its toll even as he's keeping it professional. 

Saw is so deranged, and you know he would wear that with pride. Unfortunately he's also very chiasmatic and that makes him appealing for poor sweet Wilmon, who is obviously being radicalized and brainwashed into following him without question. 

However the Empire tries to spin it, I love the spider vibes on Ghorman. Pun not intended. The set and art design are amazing, in general this season has really taken it up a notch with costumes, world building, sets, etc.

Edited May 6 by tennisgurl

[tv-talk]

This was a great episode! Count me as another who loves the French resistance aspect to Ghorman, much preferred to the awful (imho) rave antics of the wedding. Saw is the best too, just a complete madman but with it enough to be steps ahead. The end scene where he sucks Wilman into his rebellion might have been best in series so far, kudos to Forrest W. There was some really good acting in this ep, looking forward to watching more.

[andromeda331]

Syril, I don't think the Empire would care if you killed your mother. Just put yourself out of the misery.

Cassian was right the Ghorman Front aren't ready for anything big and far too trusting first with Syril and walking up to Cassian in the restaurant. Too bad they didn't believe Cassian when he disagreed with the plan. He was right.

Poor Wilmon now he's stuck with crazy Saw. I'm still mad at Saw for getting Tech killed in the Bad Batch. 

[Kel Varnsen]

On 5/6/2025 at 12:59 PM, tennisgurl said:

lots of berets and trench coats and the very French codded society, its all very WWII and a really cool way to do a rebellion in the Star Wars universe

And the city seems to be the capital city of the galaxy when it comes to high fashion, or at least it did during the republic. I doubt that was just some kind of writing fluke.

Also I am glad at least Cassian seems to be kind of careful and suspicious. Because I am really thinking this whole Ghorman operation goes really bad. Like the rebels there are really underprepared, Luthen and Kleya are distracted, and Cyril and Dedra's operation seems to being going perfectly. Plus we know the Death Star gets built and works so they obviously get the raw materials they want from Ghorman somewhere.

As for Luthen, if the dude with all the antiques is planning on getting them authenticated, I am surprised that Luthen isn't trying to get himself hired as the authenticator.

[paramitch]

I absolutely loved seeing Cassian on Ghorman, and seeing him genuinely play a different character undercover. It feels like this is a gift that he's learned to expand or employ under Luthen, and I just loved every moment -- how smooth and charming he was, and especially how still he was. Cassian tends to come across as someone who's always slightly vibrating with energy and emotion, a live wire, so seeing him this way was a lot of fun. Diego Luna was just terrific here, as always.

I especially loved how effortlessly Cassian ticked off all the ways the Ghorman rebels are amateurs -- clocking the people following him, calling them out for their mistakes. I especially appreciated his warnings that passion isn't enough. They have to be smart, committed, much better at their jobs than they are now.

It was interesting to see Cassian so warm and compassionate to the hotel porter -- this is something that has been such a quiet but integral part of Cassian's character thus far... yet we know he will lose that quality when we get to the early events of Rogue One, where he is much, much colder -- much more of a Luthen.

I liked Wilmon's story with Saw, but the only thing that bugged me was to me it was very quickly obvious that the best outcome was simply for them to bring Will into the fold, versus having him teach Pluti, the guy who was visibly having such a hard time learning what was necessary. It felt a little silly to me that Saw was asking Pluti if he was ready, who then stuttered and clearly showed he wasn't up to the task, but Saw was acting like he was going to shoot their golden goose? There wasn't much tension there for me because only an idiot would have shot Wilmon. But I liked it for how it surprised Wilmon, even if it didn't surprise me, if that makes sense.

I don't know how I feel about the scene at the end. Wilmon taking off his safety gear to breathe in the essence of the deadly fuel had me yelling at the screen. But I guess Saw is just that charismatic! I love Forest Whitaker, always have, and oh man, does Saw let him release his inner diva and some scenery! But on the other hand, I'm with Saw -- I love the smell of gasoline too.

On 4/29/2025 at 11:17 PM, thuganomics85 said:

I'm not sure if I really want to know what just transpired between Syril and Dedra in the dark for that hour, but the curiosity will honestly always be there.  Their sex life has to be one for the books.  Between that and his "This is the happiest day of my life" over Partagaz' praise (and her reaction to that), I'm kind of loving this weird, creepy couple.  Still want their downfall to be epic, but I'm going to enjoy the ride while I can!

I tell myself I don't want to know... but I can't look away! Thank God Dedra seems to prefer sexytimes with lights off.

On 4/30/2025 at 1:51 PM, wanderingstar said:

I don’t think I’ve been this enthralled by a show’s sets since Mad Men. Everything looks beautiful, even the parts that aren’t supposed to be. The precision in putting together these locations to give a real sense of place is truly remarkable. Shout to production designer, Luke Hull!

I so agree with you, and absolute kudos to Luke Hull for all those beautiful sets. Each one feels so lived-in and so real -- and dreamy or nightmarish as required. Also kudos to costume designer Michael Wilkinson! I am constantly amazed at this show's incredible costumes. They are seriously some of the most gorgeous costumes I have ever seen on TV, and I especially love how each costume on each character in each scene is its own separate commentary on the characters. 

On 4/30/2025 at 7:24 PM, Shanna Marie said:

This episode felt like a WWII thriller, starting with the sounds of the radio during the intro. Then we had the berets and trenchcoats, so it looked like the French Resistance. There was Cassian's cover identity training -- and for a second I thought he was going into the same diner Obi-Wan visited in Attack of the Clones when he went to get his cover legend.

I hadn't quite pulled it together until you and a few others noted the classic WWII French Resistance elements, and they add such additional subtext to everything we see. Add that to the very obvious Fascist uniforms and outfits for the Empire, and the subtext is rapidly becoming text! 

On 5/2/2025 at 5:49 AM, Ohiopirate02 said:

Bix never sought to be a rebel, she became one due to circumstance. I think she would be happier living anonymously on some quiet planet, but Luthen will never allow it. She's stuck. Her only way out is death. Once she realizes this, she may take matters into her own hands.

I don't know if I agree -- I would argue that Bix was always on the edge of the rebellion in peripheral ways. She was an integral participant in the listening station on Ferrix and interacted frequently enough with Luthen to bring him to the planet for a  transaction. True, most of this was black market-related, but for me it still feels like a grey area.

Either way, she is a definite rebel now, and I think she's a committed one. She's still traumatized by her torture but it's also what helped to radicalize her. I definitely don't think she wants to go off somewhere anonymously on a quiet planet -- she has that now (albeit in an urban setting), and she is visibly chafing at it, and every time Cassian tries to protect her she is more upset, not less.

On 5/2/2025 at 6:08 AM, Raja said:

But as a story it is not as interesting to me as seeing Andor going down the path that Luthen described about himself never seeing the sunrise.

This is beautifully put. To me, this season is really solidifying for me that we are watching how warm, caring, and flawed Cassian Andor becomes cold, merciless Luthen, willing to sacrifice anything and anyone for the rebellion. (Only to rediscover his humanity again as Rogue One progresses.)

On 5/4/2025 at 2:15 PM, KimberStormer said:

Don't think we'll ever know, Saw might well have decided that Willmon is more valuable than Pluti and needed an excuse to keep him around, or a million other possibilities when someone is crazy and paranoid as Saw is.

Wilmon was always more valuable than Pluti. Which was the only thing that irritated me a little bit about that subplot. It was so obvious.

[Orbert]

That stuff with Pluti was clunky, but Wilmon made it clear that he wasn't supposed to be there. He was supposed be out of there the next day, that was the deal, but Saw had the people and the guns, so Wil was staying until Saw said otherwise. It was dumb that he should try to download his entire expertise to Pluti over the course of a few days or a week or whatever it was, but Wil still thought he would eventually get out of there, so he did what Saw said to do; teach Pluti all the variations.