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S04.E19: Pinkus Returns

Neptune

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ItCouldBeWorse

ItCouldBeWorse

6 hours ago, Neptune said:

“Pinkus Returns” – When Trevor’s former co-worker, Pinkus (Richie Keen), and his daughter, Abby (Gideon Adlon), show up at Woodstone Mansion, Trevor gets the surprise of his afterlife.  April 17

Gideon Adlon is the daughter of Pamela Adlon, and the sister of Odessa A'zion (aka Odessa Zion Segall Adlon), who plays Stephanie, the sleepy prom girl ghost.

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Annber03

Annber03

Awwwwww, that ending actually got me choked up. 

Nice to see (an older) Pinkus again, and wow, the reveal about his daughter! For a time there I was wondering if we'd learn that her mom was mistaken or something, but nope, Trevor really is the dad. Wow. So that's gonna make things interesting for him going forward, no doubt. A new way for him to connect with Thor and Pete, too, which'll be nice. Especialy considering Pete also has a daughter. 

And hey, Donna turned out to be innocent after all! That's good news, wonder what that'll mean for her and Pete going forward. I liked how they learned that the ghost on the property was lying, using Purple Rain as they did*. Also love that Carol attended a Prince concert. With Jerry. Oh, Pete. 

I also loved the use of the Green Day song for that video. Of course Trevor would pick that song. Of course XD. 

This was a sweet episode.

*Fun fact, "Let's Go Crazy" was actually the #1 song on the charts hhe week I was born. My birth year had some kickass music coming out. 

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phalange

phalange

Sam made the right call not to interfere, but of course the ghosts love to meddle. Fortunately Trevor was able to fix his mistake, and it was nice that he got to be there while Sam told Abby more about him. No surprise she also loves The Cutting Edge, which is probably the best thing Trevor could ever hear. 

Nice twist with Donna being innocent and the lady next door being the real murderer. And Jay both helped solve the mystery and learned something new to add to his ghost notes!

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iMonrey

iMonrey

This was more sweet than funny but I liked it. I really enjoyed the subplot with Pete investigating the murder of Donna's husband. I think Sam is missing out on an incredible opportunity though. With a traveling ghost at her disposal she could become a famous amateur sleuth and solve all kinds of crimes. I mean, she wants to be a journalist, what better way? She'd be writing books about her cases forever. That would be a lot more prestigious than this vampire novel she's writing.

(Also, I clocked the timing being off for Purple Rain right when the ghost said it. Because I'm old.) 

Sam and Jay really need to be more careful leaving their computers and phones lying around though. You'd think that they would have learned by now considering all the trouble Trevor has caused. Even Eric knew to close the laptop and turn the iPad over. 

LOL at Sass guessing the new password was Jay's birthday backwards. I also laughed when Abby confronted her father over the text Sam sent and said "Then she psychotically Ha-Ha'd it!"

It would have been a nice touch if they'd used the original Pinkus actor in a few of the photos holding baby Abby. 

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shapeshifter

shapeshifter

1 hour ago, phalange said:

Nice twist with Donna being innocent and the lady next door being the real murderer.

I'm left wondering if the elderly lady neighbor was never violent again, or did she kill others? 
If it was a one-time incident, could a good attorney make a case for temporary insanity? Maybe she was medicated at the time with something that has since been determined to cause psychotic states of mind? 
Otherwise, there could be other bodies. Did she kill her now-ghost husband??

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Jodithgrace

Jodithgrace

Okay…logic person here. How was Trevor able to make a video montage without access  to Pinkus’ photos? He sent the photos to Abby’s phone, but from where? Did I miss an explanation? 
 

Aside from that, as soon as I read the episode description that Trevor’s friend comes with his daughter and Trevor gets a big surprise, I immediately guessed that she was Trevor’s daughter.

It doesn’t bother me at all that not every character appears in every episode. It gets too crowded and characters don’t get as much chance to shine. This way every character gets his/her share of funny lines. Obviously there are have to be some big ensemble episodes, but from week to week it’s not necessary. 

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LexieLily

LexieLily

I'm happy Trevor has a daughter and hope that comes back as a plotline in the future - perhaps Pinkus can bring Abby back one day to the place Trevor's body was found? - but I do have some math-related thoughts about this. To hear Pinkus tell it he found Lori's phone number in Trevor's pants after the infamous weekend and called her to check up on Trevor's whereabouts or something like that, and one thing led to another and that's how they got together and started to date. Trevor and Lori were together for a few weeks according to Trevor and judging by his lifestyle probably having sex a lot :p. And unless Pinkus and Lori hooked up pretty dang fast into their dating, how exactly did Abby's mom think it was going to work out to pass off her baby as Pinkus'? How did Pinkus not know he wasn't the bio-father until Abby's mom told him on her deathbed? Abby has to be early 30s based on Trevor's age when he died.

 

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ams1001

ams1001

7 minutes ago, Jodithgrace said:

Okay…logic person here. How was Trevor able to make a video montage without access  to Pinkus’ photos? He sent the photos to Abby’s phone, but from where? Did I miss an explanation? 

I forget what they said, exactly, but I think it was just an app or something that made the slide show; Sam didn't choose the photos herself (resulting in numerous photos of chicken because she never deletes photos).

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shapeshifter

shapeshifter

15 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

unless Pinkus and Lori hooked up pretty dang fast into their dating, how exactly did Abby's mom think it was going to work out to pass off her baby as Pinkus'? How did Pinkus not know he wasn't the bio-father until Abby's mom told him on her deathbed?

Think of the dating habits of the characters on Seinfeld and Friends, which were pretty typical of the times.

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Jodithgrace

Jodithgrace

Sam used an app to make a montage of the photos on her phone. I get that. But Trevor would have to have access to the photos on Pinkus’ phone to use the app to make a montage. As far as I know, he didn’t have access to his phone. 
Facebook makes montages of photos of me and people I’m friends with occasionally, but I’m not sure how Trevor would have access to that either. 

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PaulE

PaulE

1 hour ago, iMonrey said:

Sam and Jay really need to be more careful leaving their computers and phones lying around though. You'd think that they would have learned by now considering all the trouble Trevor has caused. Even Eric knew to close the laptop and turn the iPad over. 

 

Right?  Also, maybe start making use of biometrics on their devices and/or come up with difficult passwords and set them up outside of the ghost boundary so no one can see what they are.  And while they're at it, change the auto-lock screen time to, say, 30 seconds.   You'd think by now they'd have learned their lesson.  But of course if they were smarter we'd lose a lot of plots.

I felt very sorry for Sam after Trevor's meddling because there was absolutely no way she could defend herself or explain it away.  She's lucky Pinkus didn't hit the roof when he found out what had happened, because from his standpoint it was inexcusable.  I was glad, though, that even though she got in trouble and had to take the blame anyway, she knew Trevor's request would have been wrong and therefore refused to do it.  Usually she caves in to the ghosts' requests.

44 minutes ago, Jodithgrace said:

It doesn’t bother me at all that not every character appears in every episode. It gets too crowded and characters don’t get as much chance to shine. This way every character gets his/her share of funny lines. Obviously there are have to be some big ensemble episodes, but from week to week it’s not necessary. 

I feel the same way.  In fact in this episode, the only two ghosts who really mattered were Trevor and Pete; the others were there mainly to add comic remarks.  But I don't remember another episode in which two main ghosts were absent.

Trevor may be a jerk but he's still a decent guy at heart--I think he's grown the most since the first season.  And I loved that Pete referred to Jay as his best friend.  There has to be a way for those two to meet--maybe Sass could bring him into Jay's dreams?

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iMonrey

iMonrey

56 minutes ago, Jodithgrace said:

Okay…logic person here. How was Trevor able to make a video montage without access  to Pinkus’ photos? He sent the photos to Abby’s phone, but from where? Did I miss an explanation? 

13 minutes ago, Jodithgrace said:

Facebook makes montages of photos of me and people I’m friends with occasionally, but I’m not sure how Trevor would have access to that either. 

I was thinking Facebook too. Maybe that app is able to mine photos from Facebook. It's definitely not the worst  plot hole considering last week's episode. And I cracked up at all the photos of chicken on Sam's montage. 

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kathyk2

kathyk2

1 minute ago, LexieLily said:

I'm not sure how it would be possible but somehow I want Trevor's parents and Jeremy to be told they have a granddaughter/niece. 

You read my mind. When I heard that Trevor had a daughter I thought about how much his family misses him. Richie Keen who played Pinkus has directed several episodes of Ghosts. I liked both of them and hope we see them again.

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Neptune

Neptune

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Will Trevor get closer to Pete (Richie Moriarty) following this experience? After all, there’s some overlap with their storylines as dads.

I love Richie Moriarty. I kind of always felt like at the beginning of Season 1, Pete was kind of Trevor’s closest buddy, and a lot of that was because of the proximity with which they died. They would’ve understood a lot of the same culture. Pete would’ve been there for a lot of the seminal films and cultural moments when Trevor was a kid. So yeah, I remember feeling, in the beginning, “Oh, that’s my buddy.” And so yeah, if this brings ’em closer together and there’s more Trevor and Pete stuff, I’d love to do more of that.
https://www.tvinsider.com/1187151/ghosts-season-4-trevor-daughter-abby-asher-grodman/

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UsernameFatigue

UsernameFatigue

When Pinkus and his daughter first showed up, all I could think was "Why did they chose two actors who look so little alike?". Lol. 

Making Pete able to leave the property has brought so many good storylines to the show. I LOL'd when Pete walked onto his girlfriend's neighbour's property and asked if there were any ghosts there. Also loved the ghost's 80s track suit and walkman. And finding out at the end that the elderly lady gardening was the ghost's wife and murderer of Donna's husband. 

Well written and acted episode, as usual. 

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chaifan

chaifan

Cute episode.  I love that Jay solved the murder.  I was expecting 80's Walkman guy to be the murderer, and it was a nice twist that he was protecting his wife.  I didn't like that she ended up in jail for it, because a) there's no way that would have happened that fast, and b) most murder statute of limitations are 20 years.  I think it would be good for Pete to return to the resort to find that she got sucked off after being exonerated.  That frees Pete up for other adventures, girlfriends, etc.  

9 hours ago, LexieLily said:

I'm not sure how it would be possible but somehow I want Trevor's parents and Jeremy to be told they have a granddaughter/niece. 

Oh, I think it would make total sense for Pinkus wanting to introduce Abby to Trevor's family, and Abby wanting to meet them.  I sounds like Pinkus' wife died recently, so it's not like he's been holding this secret for 30 years.  And then they could all have a reunion at the manor.  My guess is that we'll see them all again for something like this.  

10 hours ago, LexieLily said:

And unless Pinkus and Lori hooked up pretty dang fast into their dating, how exactly did Abby's mom think it was going to work out to pass off her baby as Pinkus'?

Pinkus contacted Lori within a few days, because Trevor was missing.  They could have had a date within a week, could have hooked up that night (comforting each other over Trevor's loss, of course), or could have hit that "3rd date" within another week.  I think the math is plausible.  

Sam as a cold case murder investigator...  I like how she got herself out of that one.  And, I threw out this suggestion last week:  Sam goes to the death sites of famous authors, and "ghost writes" their stories.  (She could send Pete out in advance to find if they're still around.)  That makes more sense with her career.  I'd love for her to hook up with Anne Rice, turn Isaac's vampire book into something that becomes the next hit Vampire series, and that solves their money problems.  Because they still never have any guests!  

 

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iMonrey

iMonrey

10 hours ago, LexieLily said:

I'm not sure how it would be possible but somehow I want Trevor's parents and Jeremy to be told they have a granddaughter/niece. 

Abby seemed to want to know all about Trevor, so Sam could give her Trevor's parents' phone number or address. And they could give her Jeremy's. 

1 hour ago, chaifan said:

I didn't like that she ended up in jail for it, because a) there's no way that would have happened that fast, and b) most murder statute of limitations are 20 years. 

There is no statute of limitations for murder charges in New York, although I'm not clear where Donna lived. I had mixed feelings about the old woman getting arrested too, but after all, she shouldn't get away with murder. It wasn't just an accident either, they hid the evidence and framed Donna. This was the only way for Donna's name to be cleared.

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Chit Chat

Chit Chat

14 hours ago, iMonrey said:

 I think Sam is missing out on an incredible opportunity though. With a traveling ghost at her disposal she could become a famous amateur sleuth and solve all kinds of crimes. I mean, she wants to be a journalist, what better way? She'd be writing books about her cases forever. That would be a lot more prestigious than this vampire novel she's writing

She'd have a hard time explaining what led her to those crime scenes and how she figured out who was the criminal.  Aside from that, it would be a fun gig.

 

7 hours ago, Skooma said:

And jailing a now peaceful, 84 year old lady after all those years seemed sad.

I think of the theme to the show Baretta:  Don't do the crime if you can't do the time......

I'm surprised that her husband gave her up that quickly!  

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shapeshifter

shapeshifter

2 minutes ago, Chit Chat said:

She'd have a hard time explaining what led her to those crime scenes and how she figured out who was the criminal.  Aside from that, it would be a fun gig.

Seems like a viable concept for a spinoff series. Sam meets someone with her same ability and shares the crime solving story. It would be like a cross between Ghosts and Psych, with the main, crime-solving character pretending to be a psychic.

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chaifan

chaifan

3 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

Seems like a viable concept for a spinoff series. Sam meets someone with her same ability and shares the crime solving story. It would be like a cross between Ghosts and Psych, with the main, crime-solving character pretending to be a psychic.

I swear this has been done before.  I'm too fuzzy on the details, and too lazy to google it.

But please, no spin off series from Ghosts.  

 

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Orcinus orca

Orcinus orca

14 hours ago, Jodithgrace said:

Okay…logic person here. How was Trevor able to make a video montage without access  to Pinkus’ photos? He sent the photos to Abby’s phone, but from where?

My thought as soon as they aired the scene. Makes no sense at all.   And we have seen Trevor straining to "press" one button at a time, something like that would have taken hours.

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proserpina65

proserpina65

15 hours ago, iMonrey said:

Also, I clocked the timing being off for Purple Rain right when the ghost said it. Because I'm old.) 

Good for you for remembering when it came out.  After Jay pointed it out, I realized I saw the movie after I graduated high school in 1983, but only then.

9 hours ago, Skooma said:

And jailing a now peaceful, 84 year old lady after all those years seemed sad.

Well, we don't know that she's now peaceful.  Maybe she's still killing people, just in less attention-grabbing ways.

4 hours ago, chaifan said:

most murder statute of limitations are 20 years. 

Actually there isn't a statute of limitations on murder in most jurisdictions.

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shura

shura

Setting aside what she did for a moment, the reveal that the old lady the Walkman ghost was watching for all these years was his wife was all kinds of poignant.  A total “Who wants to live forever” moment.

As for where Trevor got Pinkus’ pictures from if he didn’t have access to his phone, maybe he just googled his name and found a page where Pinkus posted all those baby pictures.  Download, fire up that app and voila, a slide show.  “Why are we still seeing pictures of chicken?!”

“So, fair warning, I'm gonna sniff this pastrami sandwich pretty seriously. You can watch or you can go.”  

 

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tennisgurl

tennisgurl

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I know its cliche, but Time of Your Life really does get me every time, and of course that's the song Trevor would pick. It might be the mood I'm in but I started tearing up when Trevor said that he wished he could have been there while his daughter was growing up, and then when she was asking about Trevor and Sam was telling her about him. Of all the ghosts I think that Trevor, being the youngest ghost, struggles the most with being dead and missing out on so much of his life. 

Now that Pinkus has told Abby about Trevor, I would love it if they reached out to Trevor's family? They would be thrilled to know they have a granddaughter/niece.

The plot with Pete investigating his girlfriends murder was fun, I would love to see Sam and Pete solving cold cases and really doing something with Pete's ghost powers. It is hard to watch an old lady going to jail, but she did murder someone, and who knows how many bodies she has buried in that garden of hers?  

Oh Pete, matching tee shirts? 

"That seems fishy."

"I see that now!" 

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Bastet

Bastet

21 hours ago, LexieLily said:

And unless Pinkus and Lori hooked up pretty dang fast into their dating,

I think it's clear that's exactly what they did, just like she and Trevor did. 

3 hours ago, shura said:

“So, fair warning, I'm gonna sniff this pastrami sandwich pretty seriously. You can watch or you can go.”  

The sandwich is one of those things that annoyed me because I wasn't enjoying myself the way I normally do -- she had obviously requested the pastrami sandwich, but when her dad comes in to ask if she's ready to go hiking, she just walks off.  

Something that really bugged me was Isaac needling Sass about not having sex with Joan yet.  It's only been a week, and look at how long it took him to be comfortable with that kind of intimacy with Nigel.  Sass isn't dealing with a recent acknowledgment of his sexual orientation, no, but this is something he's never done before, and there's nothing weird about him needing more than a week with someone to feel ready, since they like each other (I mean, at least the show says they do; I don't see it, but whatever) rather than this just being purely sexual.  (Maybe she needs more time, too, especially given the era in which she lived.)   Everyone needs to shut the hell up about this, but Isaac in particular given his own experience.

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Chit Chat

Chit Chat

8 minutes ago, Bastet said:

Everyone needs to shut the hell up about this, but Isaac in particular given his own experience.

This part of his story has played itself out for me.  I saw the interview with Roman where he said that the producer asked him if he was okay with this particular storyline, and he was.  Thing is, many of us are sick of them mentioning it repeatedly during an episode.  Please, just let it go!!  I don't even want to see Sass & Joan (or whoever he has sex with) getting intimate on camera.  Let it be one of those things that Sass eventually confirms happens and be done with it!  This and Flower with her 'threesomes.'  Move on already!  YMMV.  

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Dimity

Dimity

8 hours ago, Chit Chat said:

I'm surprised that her husband gave her up that quickly!  

That was what misled me!  I was positive he was the killer.  Not that he wasn't almost as bad given how angry he sounded about the guy parking in front of their house - it was over 40 years ago, let it go!  Anyway I figured he'd blamed his wife because he didn't want to admit even to another ghost that he was the killer.  Not that he wasn't pretty awful himself, helping not only to save his wife from being accused but for making sure someone else got blamed.

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christie

christie

41 minutes ago, Chit Chat said:

This part of his story has played itself out for me.  I saw the interview with Roman where he said that the producer asked him if he was okay with this particular storyline, and he was.  Thing is, many of us are sick of them mentioning it repeatedly during an episode.  Please, just let it go!!  I don't even want to see Sass & Joan (or whoever he has sex with) getting intimate on camera.  Let it be one of those things that Sass eventually confirms happens and be done with it!  This and Flower with her 'threesomes.'  Move on already!  YMMV.  

I agree. Also, I want to add that this whole "Sass not having had sex is so weird" attitude from everyone feels anachronistic to me; given the time in which they lived, it's only to be expected that Flower, Pete and Trevor would think that Sass not having sex is unusual however, it was the norm for people to not have sex outside of marriage during Issac's, Hetty's and Alberta's times. Yes, the ghosts have been around for ages and have been exposed to more modern ideas but that has mostly occurred lately because of Sam and her interactions with them.

I don't know anything the Vikings' or the Lenape's attitudes towards premarital sex so I can't comment on Thor and Sass.

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Bastet

Bastet

47 minutes ago, Chit Chat said:

This part of his story has played itself out for me.  I saw the interview with Roman where he said that the producer asked him if he was okay with this particular storyline, and he was.  Thing is, many of us are sick of them mentioning it repeatedly during an episode.  Please, just let it go!!  I don't even want to see Sass & Joan (or whoever he has sex with) getting intimate on camera.  Let it be one of those things that Sass eventually confirms happens and be done with it!  This and Flower with her 'threesomes.'  Move on already!  YMMV.  

It's just all so stupid to me, because Sass died young and had only liked one person, who he was too shy to do more than smile at (and bring an anonymous gift of a deer).  So it's not weird that he didn't have sex while he was alive (and how any of them didn't know he'd died a virgin, when he was so obviously lying every time he rattled off the specific number of times he'd had sex, is beyond me, but I guess they believed Thor's covering for him).  Yes, he's been around as a ghost for a very long time since then, and if someone lived out in the big wide world for 500 years without having sex despite wanting to, that would definitely be worth being surprised by.  But he's spent those years where his only options are other ghosts within that property.  That's a fairly small number of people even over so many years, so it's simply not the huge shock they all regard it as.

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kathyk2

kathyk2

2 hours ago, christie said:

I agree. Also, I want to add that this whole "Sass not having had sex is so weird" attitude from everyone feels anachronistic to me; given the time in which they lived, it's only to be expected that Flower, Pete and Trevor would think that Sass not having sex is unusual however, it was the norm for people to not have sex outside of marriage during Issac's, Hetty's and Alberta's times. Yes, the ghosts have been around for ages and have been exposed to more modern ideas but that has mostly occurred lately because of Sam and her interactions with them.

I don't know anything the Vikings' or the Lenape's attitudes towards premarital sex so I can't comment on Thor and Sass.

Sass wouldn't be in this situation if he had been honest in the first place. He's the one who bragged about having multiple partners. Nobody teases Hetty about being a virgin when she married Elias. 

iMonrey

iMonrey

7 hours ago, shura said:

As for where Trevor got Pinkus’ pictures from if he didn’t have access to his phone, maybe he just googled his name and found a page where Pinkus posted all those baby pictures.  Download, fire up that app and voila, a slide show.  “Why are we still seeing pictures of chicken?!”

Trevor used Abby's own phone to create the montage. Assuming such an app really exists, he could download and install it with just a few steps. And it would have access to her own Facebook account and her father's. From what I could tell, the one Sam put together pulled from her own photos though. So those photos would have been on Abby's own phone.

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Chit Chat

Chit Chat

15 minutes ago, appositival said:

Wouldn't the coroner have noticed a spade wound even if it was overlaid by a pitchfork tine?

Yeah, it should've been obvious.  Maybe they had a dud of a coroner, or it became a kind of witch hunt since the wife & her husband had posed with the pitchfork for Halloween and it was easier to pin it on her than to do a thorough medical exam/investigation.  Maybe it the wife hadn't run away, and it had gone to court, maybe her lawyer would've figured it out.  

10 hours ago, kathyk2 said:

Sass wouldn't be in this situation if he had been honest in the first place.

With some of the other ghosts always talking about sex, I think that Sass just wanted to fit in and therefore lied about his sexual past.  It's on the other ghosts for never shutting up about it and making him feel weird about it.  Moral of the story?  Never trust Thor with your secrets!!  

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