S14.E18: Reunion Part 1

[Surrealist]

27 minutes ago, Rahul said:

You can tell rift between Kyle and Dorit is still very much present and has not really healed in all this time. 

Definitely. 💯

So much of the focus has been on what exactly happened that drove Garcelle to walk off the stage. 

I'm kind of wondering if we're going to see more of a Kyle v Dorit fight, especially after Kyle admits that she and PK still text each other. There was obvious tension between the two. 

I was annoyed that Sutton didn't own what she said about Kyle offscreen, but I was pissed at how she sat there after Kyle said, for the second time on camera, that she doesn't give a shit whether Sutton cares about her, and that that's her problem.

If I had been Sutton, the first time I watched Kyle say that to Garcelle and Jennifer (while watching the show), I would've been done with her. 

Followed by Kyle calling Garcelle and Sutton "Mean Girls." Unless Sutton has something up her sleeve regarding Kyle, she shouldn't be seeking a friendship with her. Kyle sucks as a human being.

Edited April 3 by Surrealist

[RealHousewife]

@ Surrealist some of the fans who post on the women's social media are so hateful, they actually make me feel bad for the show villains. We snark and have fun on here, but even the harshest criticism that might include name calling, no one comes across as if they actually wish any of these reality stars harm. Social media on the other hand can be so toxic. It makes me sad that it probably also drives away people who would otherwise love to be on TV. 

I am also really over a lot of the Garcelle is boring criticism. It's one thing if you only like watching juicy drama, but to suggest all the others are riveting except for her isn't fair imo. Not having anything scandalous or salacious going on doesn't mean she's a boring woman or is hiding anything. When I think boring I think someone with no personality, sense of humor, no opinions. Garcelle has all the above. She's also one of the most beautiful women in the world. She immigrated from Haiti as a small child and speaks multiple lunges. She is a former model and has been working as an actress in Hollywood for decades. She's dated huge stars, and I agree with the person who said she must have bigger connections than Kyle does. 

Erika might play it like you're awesome TV if you're dealing with a divorce or lawsuits (about all the rest have that Garcelle doesn't), but you know she'd kill to be self-made like Garcelle, to have peace in her life, to not need the show yet still have a ton of fans who still really love her. Erika said Garcelle peaked a long time ago. What is Erika's peak? Is it now? Was it several years ago? Are we supposed t think she ever did anything that compares to the projects Garcelle still continues to do? Are fans supposed to cheer Erika on if peaking is dating/marrying the richest guy possible? 

 

[SemiCharmedLife]

57 minutes ago, princelina said:

If she had wanted to be a "life coach" she would have been a bad advertisement for herself with her whole boyfriend/baby storyline 😄

But doesn't Erika have a hair line too?😄

What I can't believe is the audacity of people to go one a stranger's page to insult and berate them, even if they did behave badly on tv.  I'm happy to gossip about them here, and if they come and look it's on them, but I could never imagine looking them up to write nasty comments on their SM pages!

If you want to look like a blonde bimbo, you buy Erika's hair line.

If you want to look like Queen Charlotte (elaborate hair art), get Boz's hair extensions.

If you want to look like a mad scientist having a night out, pull out your extensions at the restaurant, Ala Kathy Hilton.

[Cosmocrush]

On 4/1/2025 at 9:01 PM, Steph J said:

A story about hiring someone else to redecorate a rented pool house, apparently with the sort of cheap, generic furniture shows use for set decoration.

Hahaha!  Well done @Steph J.

I loved that cheap, generic furniture used fpr set decoration is the same crap in Erika's newly redecorated rental.   And that she was the one who pointed it out to us makes it even better. 

[Surrealist]

8 minutes ago, SemiCharmedLife said:

If you want to look like a mad scientist having a night out, pull out your extensions at the restaurant, Ala Kathy Hilton.

🤣😭

I know, I know, I know that Kathy is problematic and that some viewers can't stand her on the show, but for me, she provides some degree of comic relief because everything else feels way too serious. 

@RealHousewife Exactly. FWIW, I don't agree with fans going after any of the HWs on their socials (even the ones I don't like very much). I think it's in poor taste. In the same vein, I wish fans left the HWs children alone (even the adult kids). Their moms chose to be on the show, and even if they agreed to be on the show, it's still not their gig. Also, include extended family members and real life HW friends. 

Some people don't have boundaries when it comes to others. It's disheartening.

1 minute ago, Cosmocrush said:

Hahaha!  Well done @Steph J.

I loved that cheap, generic furniture used fpr set decoration is the same crap in Erika's newly redecorated rental.   And that she was the one who pointed it out to us makes it even better. 

I think the kids would refer to that as a self-own. 🤣

[hoodooznoodooz]

10 hours ago, Surrealist said:

Erika's the absolute worst when it comes to this, because she's always acting as if she can let shit go, like, it's nothing, but keeps grinding her axe about everything.

“I’m good.”

Like heck you are.

[Surrealist]

Just now, hoodooznoodooz said:

“I’m good.”

Like heck you are.

Erika's so confusing. She literally tells Sutton, on camera, you've apologized to me more than once and we're good.

Two seconds later, she'll be like, "Well, I'm just reminding you of what you said."

[Wicked]

After scrolling through the comments here, I've lost all interest in watching this episode. (usually watch day after on Peacock) Sounds like it would just infuriate me

[Yours Truly]

19 hours ago, Surrealist said:

I said this last week, but when Garcelle and Jennifer made the move to talk to the other ladies (who they know hate Sutton), I think something in Sutton clicked about what that meant. 

Holding friends accountable, and not blindly supporting them all the time, is one thing. But approaching your friend's enemies, and knowing those enemies really hate her, was a stupid move on their part.

Yeah, Garcelle did herself no favors this season. "Teaching your friend a lesson" is never a good look no matter how annoyed you are at them. She's a grown ass women and if you got something to say to Sutton then just say it. I don't believe a real conversation has ever happened off camera based of how awkward what we did see came across and I'm not here for it. Garcelle is ehhh for me and I don't hate her or anything but she's sort of wishy washy and I never liked that. 

Sutton really is somewhat lost about some stuff and I think her stumbles come from a genuine space of surprise that people really are that mean. I think Garcelle sometimes has a bit of a meanspirited reaction to Sutton and it's kinda corny. I know people like Sutton who can be annoying and who can shoot themselves in the foot and who even choose not so nice company but me, myself and I have decided NOT to get so frustrated with the missteps that I turn on them. I think Garcelles annoyance about Sutton not joining her in her quest to interrogate Kyle and her talking to the girls about why Sutton was mad was a semi cloaked acting out of her frustrations with Sutton. Don't claim friendship if you're gonna, every once in a while, when your nerves are kinda worked, leave your friend hanging or low key give her foes ammo. There was always something a little shady about Garcelle that kept me extra observant about how she moves.

Again I don't completely dislike Garcelle but she's always been a bit too loose with the way she handles certain situations. The only time she's ever really put a period on anything with any of them was maybe Dorit. I get playing the game mindfully and I didn't mind it that much but when it affects how she treats her friendship with Sutton is where I get a bad taste in my mouth cause their friendship is supposed to be real so to me that's a very bad look. 

Edited April 3 by Yours Truly

[dmeets]

8 hours ago, Surrealist said:

I was annoyed that Sutton didn't own what she said about Kyle offscreen, but I was pissed at how she sat there after Kyle said, for the second time on camera, that she doesn't give a shit whether Sutton cares about her, and that that's her problem.

When Kyle lamented "what did I to deserve this? [Sutton holding me in high regard]" that should have been mortifying for Sutton who bragged in a confessional that everyone could see that Kyle was her friend because she gave a very quick "after last year Sutton's a bit sensitive when it comes to drinking accusations" defense. When Kyle herself was the perpetrator last year! She and her mother both seem equally love struck with Kyle. I don't get it.

[Rahul]

19 hours ago, islandgal140 said:

Kyle told on herself when she said calling her a lesbian was an attempt to embarrass her. 

Yes, that was very telling. I don't know if she's homophobic or unable to accept herself, but Kyle sure has some regressive views about sexuality.

[Yours Truly]

18 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Garcelle Saved Sutton’s ass so much and her sitting there on mute like that … just made her look like shit … I mean not as shit as the fux flop 5 but girl the fans arnt gonna stand behind you NOT standing behind Garcelle .. we are a fickle fandom .. and she is gonna be eatin alive next season and I’m not gonna lie she kinda deserves it for how she just gave up on Garcelle there 

To be honest some of Garcelles talking heads about Sutton would have bothered me if I was Sutton.

Apparently she's not for Sutton being up Kyles ass but at the same time wants Sutton to follow her into some shady behavior. This season kinda sounded like Garcelle expects Sutton to be on board with however Garcelle decides to proceed with the others and I'm sorry if Sutton doesn't agree with it then I don't think Sutton should be obligated. Suttons never asked Garcelle to be mean to any of them on her behalf. Garcelle herself admitted that Sutton not wanting to go after Kyle bugged her and actually framed it like Sutton was shitting on their friendship by doing so. I didn't like how Garcelle tried to make it seem like Sutton respecting Kyle's wishes was some betrayal of their friendship.

Yeah, something was a bit different with Garcelle this season and maybe that's why Sutton wasn't too eager to jump in with the sharks to speak up. 

[Keywestclubkid]

1 minute ago, Yours Truly said:

To be honest some of Garcelles talking heads about Sutton would have bothered me if I was Sutton.

Apparently she's not for Sutton being up Kyles ass but at the same time wants Sutton to follow her into some shady behavior. This season kinda sounded like Garcelle expects Sutton to be on board with however Garcelle decides to proceed with the others and I'm sorry if Sutton doesn't agree with it then I don't think Sutton should be obligated. Suttons never asked Garcelle to be mean to any of them on her behalf. Garcelle herself admitted that Sutton not wanting to go after Kyle bugged her and actually framed it like Sutton was shitting on their friendship by doing so. I didn't like how Garcelle tried to make it seem like Sutton respecting Kyle's wishes was some betrayal of their friendship.

Yeah, something was a bit different with Garcelle this season and maybe that's why Sutton wasn't too eager to jump in with the sharks to speak up. 

Follow her into what behavior that’s shady? Honest question.. I mean laughing at kids being bullied … telling costars to get over it .. calling widows and orphans scammers .. dragging a costars of camera life with someone that’s no longer on the show … telling a costar you got a lot going on when their brother kills themselves .. 

What shady is G doing? 

She defends Sutton to the hilt .. I have defended Sutton but sitting there and letting someone who you are desperate for their approval to shit on the only person on your side was low 

[ivygirl]

On being boring…

It’s been a long time since I met a genuinely boring person. Engage someone in conversation, and you will typically find SOMETHING fun or interesting to discuss. Yeah, you might hit a wall. Yeah, you won’t connect with some people because their interests don’t interest you. But boring people? Eh.

I resent the idea that normal people with normal lives are “boring.” Calling someone boring because they don’t mouth off about their sex lives or talk about their expensive lifestyle says more about the speaker than it does the person they’re talking about.

If I met Garcelle, I highly doubt she would go to the top of my boring list.

Edited April 3 by ivygirl

[Yours Truly]

1 hour ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Follow her into what behavior that’s shady? Honest question.. I mean laughing at kids being bullied … telling costars to get over it .. calling widows and orphans scammers .. dragging a costars of camera life with someone that’s no longer on the show … telling a costar you got a lot going on when their brother kills themselves .. 

What shady is G doing? 

She defends Sutton to the hilt .. I have defended Sutton but sitting there and letting someone who you are desperate for their approval to shit on the only person on your side was low 

No she really doesn't and I don't understand what all the references are for cause I'm not a fan of the FFF. So this isn't a defense of them.

Sure Garcelle chimes in with a "no that's not true" or a quiet "I don't believe that" here and there and yeah every so often when she has a sit down with any of the other ladies she kinda sort defends Sutton but that women has never ever said anything with her chest. It's always with a giggle and a "whatayagonnado" tone when speaking about Sutton. Over the seasons there's plenty of footage of Garcelles half ass defense which I will say is awesome that she even says anything but I think because of the show and how uncommon it is for anyone to really jump up and strongly defend anyone that Garcelles actions seem so potent. In reality she's very meek in the way she speaks up for Sutton and as much as I appreciate the little she does contribute I don't mistake it for more than it is.

I think what bugs me is that I see that she holds back. That she calculates just how hard she'll go for Sutton. She's never truly invested and as much as Sutton bugs and has missteps and puts her foot in her mouth and maybe isn't the easiest person to defend but if that's your friend then I mean.....

I'm okay with Garcelle trying to stay neutral sometimes when Sutton steps in it cause I don't expect her to fall on any swords for Sutton but this season Garcelle seemed to expect a certain type of Sutton to show up. I kind of believe Sutton and Garcelle did discuss bringing up Morgan and grilling Kyle but maybe Sutton had a change of heart. That would explain why Garcelle took it so hard when Sutton didn't follow through. 

I'm okay with the idea that Sutton needs Garcelle for support when navigating the mean girls but I don't think that should translate into Sutton giving support to Garcelle when she wants to maybe turn the tables. To me, I don't think Sutton is really built that way so I don't get why Garcelle would think that would be Suttons vibe and worse why she would be mad that Sutton didn't follow through.

If I were Sutton I would have a bit of a pause in that respect. Not to mention that if things go south with the grilling Sutton knows that she would be the prime target in the aftermath. Garcelle isn't one the others scramble to attack so maybe Sutton was resistant to follow through because she knows that when all is said and done Garcelle wouldn't actually be the one to get most of the smoke. It's always Sutton so why create something else for the others to be mad at Sutton about. Sutton has already stuck her neck out on multiple seasons. If Garcelle wants to come for someone go ahead. She just doesn't want to stick her neck out and needed the padding with Suttons support and to be honest that's a cornball move. Sutton jumps in hook, line sinker, full foot in total mouth without thinking about who is gonna have her back. Why can't Garcelle. 

Now that's the part I find shady. And now we see that she really can't take any heat cause she has bolted from the show. Again, I liked her addition to the show but after a while she kinda falls flat cause she's TOO neutral which is fine with me but she's NOT neutral in her talking heads or when she's speaking with some of the others. Whenever she has had any confrontation she has her little quips and maybe a zinger or two but then it just fizzles and she clams up. I've been waiting for seasons for her to really lay in to anyone and use that clever wit to shut someone up but she's not into it like that. Again, admirable but very lame when you have so much to say in a talking head. 

She kinda comes across as fake. And if Sutton saw what I saw this season then I'm not surprised she wasn't that eager to jump in and defend. 

 

Edited April 3 by Yours Truly

[Pi237]

People who call you ‘boring,’ are just looking for you to give them gossip or for you to act ridiculous while they just watch. They’re basically ‘double dog dare’ing you to be their entertainment. It’s such a middle school tactic and when/if you up the ante to prove you’re not boring, they’ll just laugh at you later with their real friends. They’re not going to say, Wow I thought she was boring, but she’s actually so cool!   Not that I have personal experience or scars leftover from adolescence or anything….🤣

[Baltimore Betty]

23 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

raises hand id be #5 ... the whole thing made no sense .. robers not taking her wedding ring .. not checking the house for other people and taking her word that no one else was in a two story dark house (come on) being so quiet even tho they were yelling that her kids didnt hear ... the being so kind to leave her phone lights flashing so she could find it etc etc ... nothing smells right about the story im sorry

I think that is one of the reasons why PJ would not be on the reunion, Garcelle bringing it up would have carried over to when the men took the stage.  PJ knows nobody on either couch believes it was real, and questions would be asked even two years later.

 

 

[njbchlover]

10 hours ago, Cosmocrush said:

Hahaha!  Well done @Steph J.

I loved that cheap, generic furniture used fpr set decoration is the same crap in Erika's newly redecorated rental.   And that she was the one who pointed it out to us makes it even better. 

Does anyone know if that coffee table is still in Erika's home?  Maybe Martyn Laurence Bullard only staged her rented pool house for her big "reveal" and he used the same furniture staging company that Bravo used for the reunion set decoration?  

[Keywestclubkid]

2 hours ago, Yours Truly said:

No she really doesn't and I don't understand what all the references are for cause I'm not a fan of the FFF. So this isn't a defense of them.

Sure Garcelle chimes in with a "no that's not true" or a quiet "I don't believe that" here and there and yeah every so often when she has a sit down with any of the other ladies she kinda sort defends Sutton but that women has never ever said anything with her chest. It's always with a giggle and a "whatayagonnado" tone when speaking about Sutton. Over the seasons there's plenty of footage of Garcelles half ass defense which I will say is awesome that she even says anything but I think because of the show and how uncommon it is for anyone to really jump up and strongly defend anyone that Garcelles actions seem so potent. In reality she's very meek in the way she speaks up for Sutton and as much as I appreciate the little she does contribute I don't mistake it for more than it is.

I think what bugs me is that I see that she holds back. That she calculates just how hard she'll go for Sutton. She's never truly invested and as much as Sutton bugs and has missteps and puts her foot in her mouth and maybe isn't the easiest person to defend but if that's your friend then I mean.....

I'm okay with Garcelle trying to stay neutral sometimes when Sutton steps in it cause I don't expect her to fall on any swords for Sutton but this season Garcelle seemed to expect a certain type of Sutton to show up. I kind of believe Sutton and Garcelle did discuss bringing up Morgan and grilling Kyle but maybe Sutton had a change of heart. That would explain why Garcelle took it so hard when Sutton didn't follow through. 

I'm okay with the idea that Sutton needs Garcelle for support when navigating the mean girls but I don't think that should translate into Sutton giving support to Garcelle when she wants to maybe turn the tables. To me, I don't think Sutton is really built that way so I don't get why Garcelle would think that would be Suttons vibe and worse why she would be mad that Sutton didn't follow through.

If I were Sutton I would have a bit of a pause in that respect. Not to mention that if things go south with the grilling Sutton knows that she would be the prime target in the aftermath. Garcelle isn't one the others scramble to attack so maybe Sutton was resistant to follow through because she knows that when all is said and done Garcelle wouldn't actually be the one to get most of the smoke. It's always Sutton so why create something else for the others to be mad at Sutton about. Sutton has already stuck her neck out on multiple seasons. If Garcelle wants to come for someone go ahead. She just doesn't want to stick her neck out and needed the padding with Suttons support and to be honest that's a cornball move. Sutton jumps in hook, line sinker, full foot in total mouth without thinking about who is gonna have her back. Why can't Garcelle. 

Now that's the part I find shady. And now we see that she really can't take any heat cause she has bolted from the show. Again, I liked her addition to the show but after a while she kinda falls flat cause she's TOO neutral which is fine with me but she's NOT neutral in her talking heads or when she's speaking with some of the others. Whenever she has had any confrontation she has her little quips and maybe a zinger or two but then it just fizzles and she clams up. I've been waiting for seasons for her to really lay in to anyone and use that clever wit to shut someone up but she's not into it like that. Again, admirable but very lame when you have so much to say in a talking head. 

She kinda comes across as fake. And if Sutton saw what I saw this season then I'm not surprised she wasn't that eager to jump in and defend. 

 

I’m still not seeing how she’s shady .. and she bolted because these ladies have buried this shit seasons ago and said let’s move on but then dragged it back out out of nowhere … they literally conspired before the show has with Erika’s “this is how WE feel” outburst 

G is literally the least shady out of ALL of them 

[hoodooznoodooz]

Do we think MLB’s business may decline after this? 
 

Who wants to pay the astronomical fees for a celebrity interior designer who uses the same items as a Bravo set designer?

[Keywestclubkid]

Literally if G brought up what they did to HER and her son and how they blew off the only African American woman’s child’s feelings as no big deal and a hoot they would have lost their mind with that was sEASONS ago move on .. but they bring up shit and it’s fine .. that’s strange 

[Baltimore Betty]

27 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Do we think MLB’s business may decline after this? 
 

Who wants to pay the astronomical fees for a celebrity interior designer who uses the same items as a Bravo set designer?

Maybe that coffee table will be the one to have, everyone will want it, it will go viral and will be voted one of TIME magazine's coffee table of the year.

To me it looked like something out of an office lobby, you know the kind, hard to damage, too heavy to steal, not something anyone would go to great trouble to take.

 

[Sweet-tea]

On 4/2/2025 at 7:57 AM, njbchlover said:

I don't know if Kyle can actually feel her lips anymore, with whatever injectables, etc., she may be doing.  She seems to purse her lips quite a bit, almost to make sure she has movement in them, and then, seems to hold her mouth in an awkward way.

I notice that Kathy does the same thing - I wonder if they go to the same doctor/esthetician for their lip work.  

Or, maybe it is a hereditary family tic of some kind.  

Either way, it's strange.  

I don't remember noticing it in earlier seasons, so I think it's related to the lip filler or whatever procedure Kyle had done. Her mouth has looked odd to me this season. 

On 4/2/2025 at 8:03 AM, Pi237 said:

For sure, you’re right. it’s tricky to make that accusation without evidence, but I still give her credit for not backtracking to cover her ass. She kept it real, which is rare on reality tv these days. Everyone is so camera saavy. It was refreshing to see someone be that bold. 

I thought so too. I admire Garcelle for not cowering and giving into the pressure from these horible women. She's one of the few who stands her ground. 

What happened to Dorit's PTSD anyway? No mention of it this season. I guess she's cured. 

On 4/2/2025 at 8:20 AM, SweetieDarling said:

Was I the only one thinking "No, that means I have a very low opinion of YOU"

 

I'm finding it harder and harder to believe she was successful in a leadership position

Yep. She's shown that she's a follower. She figured out Kyle was head mean girl and decided to align herself with Kyle and her flying monkeys. 

Edited April 3 by Sweet-tea

[Sweet-tea]

On 4/2/2025 at 10:05 AM, funnygirl said:

Kyle calling anyone but herself and her merry band of hypocrites "mean girls" is astounding. I don't know how Andy doesn't check her for that! He's part of the problem, and why Fraud Force gets away with so much. 

It really ticked me off that Andy allowed Kyle's comment to stand, but it also didn't surprise me. After all, she's had the chair next to him for 14 seasons. 

[Yours Truly]

40 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

I’m still not seeing how she’s shady .. and she bolted because these ladies have buried this shit seasons ago and said let’s move on but then dragged it back out out of nowhere … they literally conspired before the show has with Erika’s “this is how WE feel” outburst 

G is literally the least shady out of ALL of them 

I'm not campaigning that Garcelle is the worst I'm just saying I'm not on board with acting like Sutton has betrayed her by not saying anything. Garcelles lukewarm defense of her doesn't earn her Sutton sticking her neck out when she's already got enough on her plate with them directly targeting her all the time.

Also, my post explained what I thought was shady. The fact that not ONCE has Garcelle led the charge on anything and I think this was the first time she tried to come for another and the only reason she even did was because she THOUGHT Sutton would be there to tag team with her. This season made me notice that she really does watch her step and never wants to get messy which I'm not mad at but when her talking head shows us how she really feels it's pretty corny to have to see her go back to her careful manuevering afterwards. I find it shady to ask Sutton to add another target on her back just for the sake of grilling Kyle about Morgan. To be honest that crap isn't even that interesting and done to death last season so I'm not sure why Garcelle has such a hard on for it. I feel, that it was more about getting Sutton to turn on Kyle more than anything else and I didn't like that. 

At times it seemed like Garcelle wanted to punish Sutton for being so eager to have Kyle's friendship and that's not what friends do. She can disapprove all day long about it, I understand that, but it seemed like this season she actually decided to do something about it in an underhanded way. In all her seasons she's never been eager to put someone on the spot like that. I truly believe that it was more about driving more of a wedge between Sutton and Kyle and less about Kyle sharing about Morgan. Of course I could be wrong but that's why I feel the way I do about Garcelle this season.

In previous seasons her lackluster presence were made up for by her funny deliveries, reactions and friendship with Sutton but this season she was a tad  dour and kinda seemed like she wanted to slightly distance herself from Sutton a bit so that she can be in a better place with the others. I think what was fueling that decision was her displeasure with Suttons obsession with Kyle. It's the moves that I noticed and that I'm sure others definitely didn't that give me the shady vibe. That and the fact that in one confessional Garcelle actually admitted to staying quiet to prove a point that Kyle ain't a friend. It's Garcelles job to force Suttons hand when it comes to Kyle. That's a decision for Sutton alone to make. Garcelle has every right to be fed up by it but then come right out and say that. Her 3 sentences the night she abruptly left the conversation was minimal, wack and didn't cut the mustard. I don't think they've ever had a heart to heart and it shows.  

[Sweet-tea]

On 4/2/2025 at 11:07 AM, Cosmocrush said:

Oh, there are plenty of people who feel the same way, including myself.  

Presumably, this was investigated by someone (the police or insurance company or both) and they didn't find enough actual evidence for fraud.  That doesn't mean it wasn't fraud, just that no one has proven it.  

 

I agree.

I come from a long line of a deep south, rather dramatic family. It's like something out of a Tennessee Williams play. I sheepishly admit that one of my aunts set her own house on fire to collect insurance money. She was never charged and collected a hefty sum. (There was alcohol involved, and this wasn't her first fire, but that's another story.)

Shamefully, another aunt faked Alzheimer's for disability payments. She also got away with it.

Please don't judge me. I know they're nuts/criminals! 

Edited April 3 by Sweet-tea

[Sweet-tea]

20 hours ago, Cosmocrush said:

doubt it.  I quit watching RHONJ a decade ago when it was revealed that Teresa and Joe were criminals.  Then they went to the clink, and then Andy really started celebrating them. 

Sadly, nothing says ratings to Andy like a HW and criminal behavior, even criminal adjacent like Erika. 

Yep. Which is why Karen from Potomac will likely be back after her prison stint. 

17 hours ago, Surrealist said:

I made the mistake of looking at Garcelle's and Jennifer's IGs.

A lot of fans were jumping onto their comments talking serious shit about what happened on the show.

There was body shaming with regard to Sutton, and people telling Jennifer that Garcelle was so boring and they were glad she's leaving, and to take Sutton with her. I saw someone comment to Jennifer that they hope Sutton is a better friend to her than she was to Garcelle. There are many, many more tasteless comments out there, if you're interested.

Obviously none of the HWs have responded back to these people, but I couldn't get over the audacity of fans thinking they have any real world knowledge about the dynamics between all these women when the cameras aren't on. 

I think a lot of this fan nonsense is what drives the content of my comments on this thread. Not because I think one HW is a perfect lady over the others (although some HWs have been legit assholes), but it's the sheer nastiness of the fanbase in general, which sounds similar to how the FFF have been talking about castmates for years.

It blows my fucking mind that there are viewers who think behaving this way in people's social media channels doesn't paint them as entirely unhinged and nasty. 

I apologize for going a bit OT, but this stuff is related to what we saw on the Reunion (and during the season in general).

This is probably the main reason I don't have an IG account. I try to limit my exposure to SM. I know this forum counts, but at least it's focused on TV shows. 

I get stressed reading the comments that are especially mean-spirited, even on YouTube. I just don't deal with it well even when the comments are about people I don't know. 

No idea why people would be body shaming Sutton, not that they should body shame anyone. None of us are perfect. It's no wonder the women on these show have so much plastic surgery. They should stop reading the comments. It can't be good for them. 

Edited April 3 by Sweet-tea

[Yours Truly]

1 hour ago, princelina said:

I agree with most of what you say here, but I have a genuine question and not snark:  Why does everyone believe that these two are such great friends?  Garcelle is the least mean to Sutton as a rule, but I don't get why everyone believes she's "ride or die" or why we are supposed to think they're such good friends?  (Disclaimer:  I am one who doesn't believe any of them are real friends.)

 

You know I haven't actually been completely sold on this either. 

Exactly. Garcelle is least mean to Sutton and I guess all my posts lean in the direction that Garcelle seems to be playing a role and not as close of a friend as we all think.

I like to think that Garcelle is genuinely nice and can be friends with Sutton and wouldn't actively try to target her but at the same time, over the seasons she at times really does look like someone who is not that comfortable being associated as Suttons friend if that makes sense. 

I like that she choose for the most part not to turn on Sutton over the years but I have noticed her on occasion try to have more of a connection with the other women by trying to make it clear that she recognizes Suttons missteps. However, that hasn't been good enough for them.

Sometimes i think the idea that Garcelle and Sutton are so close bugs Garcelle a bit since it hinders her ability to get closer to the others. I fell like that slight annoyance showed itself a bit stronger this season.  

 

Edited April 3 by Yours Truly

[Keywestclubkid]

30 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

I'm not campaigning that Garcelle is the worst I'm just saying I'm not on board with acting like Sutton has betrayed her by not saying anything. Garcelles lukewarm defense of her doesn't earn her Sutton sticking her neck out when she's already got enough on her plate with them directly targeting her all the time.

Also, my post explained what I thought was shady. The fact that not ONCE has Garcelle led the charge on anything and I think this was the first time she tried to come for another and the only reason she even did was because she THOUGHT Sutton would be there to tag team with her. This season made me notice that she really does watch her step and never wants to get messy which I'm not mad at but when her talking head shows us how she really feels it's pretty corny to have to see her go back to her careful manuevering afterwards. I find it shady to ask Sutton to add another target on her back just for the sake of grilling Kyle about Morgan. To be honest that crap isn't even that interesting and done to death last season so I'm not sure why Garcelle has such a hard on for it. I feel, that it was more about getting Sutton to turn on Kyle more than anything else and I didn't like that. 

At times it seemed like Garcelle wanted to punish Sutton for being so eager to have Kyle's friendship and that's not what friends do. She can disapprove all day long about it, I understand that, but it seemed like this season she actually decided to do something about it in an underhanded way. In all her seasons she's never been eager to put someone on the spot like that. I truly believe that it was more about driving more of a wedge between Sutton and Kyle and less about Kyle sharing about Morgan. Of course I could be wrong but that's why I feel the way I do about Garcelle this season.

In previous seasons her lackluster presence were made up for by her funny deliveries, reactions and friendship with Sutton but this season she was a tad  dour and kinda seemed like she wanted to slightly distance herself from Sutton a bit so that she can be in a better place with the others. I think what was fueling that decision was her displeasure with Suttons obsession with Kyle. It's the moves that I noticed and that I'm sure others definitely didn't that give me the shady vibe. That and the fact that in one confessional Garcelle actually admitted to staying quiet to prove a point that Kyle ain't a friend. It's Garcelles job to force Suttons hand when it comes to Kyle. That's a decision for Sutton alone to make. Garcelle has every right to be fed up by it but then come right out and say that. Her 3 sentences the night she abruptly left the conversation was minimal, wack and didn't cut the mustard. I don't think they've ever had a heart to heart and it shows.  

I love you get just as passionate about your response and  you think them out like me..  my point is that Garcelle  has defended Sutton more then luke warm for pretty much the entire time she has been on .. she has defended Sutton when no one else would.. they have tried to sway her away from Sutton many times and Garcelle  being a friend said no and stayed team Sutton till the bitter end ... only when she finally saw that Sutton wasn't doing the same did she go wait a min... and that took what 5 seasons to get to ....

 

To sit there and let the hyenas attack her and not come to her defense as Garcelle  has done MANY MANY times to her own determent with these ladies was a HUGE slap in the face .. esp when these ladies where coming at her for shit that they put to bed seasons ago according to them ...like to hang on to shit that was petty from 3 seasons ago that you said you moved on from but suddenly bring it up (looking at you Erika) what is that .. Erika and Dorit want you to give up whatever you are holding against them and forget it and move on  but they can keep tabs for shit they said they had forgiven you about? Weird

Edited April 3 by Keywestclubkid

[Yours Truly]

2 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

I love you get just as passionate about your response and  you think them out like me..  my point is that Garcelle  has defended Sutton more then luke warm for pretty much the entire time she has been on .. she has defended Sutton when no one else would.. they have tried to sway her away from Sutton many times and Garcelle  being a friend said no and stayed team Sutton till the bitter end ... only when she finally saw that Sutton wasn't doing the same did she go wait a min... and that took what 5 seasons to get to ....

 

To sit there and let the hyenas attack her and not come to her defense that Garcelle  has done was a HUGE slap in the face .. esp when these ladies where coming at her for shit that they put to bed seasons ago according to them ...

Well I have some serious ride or dies and Garcelle doesn't cut it for me.

Totally not trying to spin Garcelle into some villain but I'm just not that impressed with how she goes about some things regarding Sutton and their friendship. 

That's all. 

[Keywestclubkid]

7 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

Well I have some serious ride or dies and Garcelle doesn't cut it for me.

Totally not trying to spin Garcelle into some villain but I'm just not that impressed with how she goes about some things regarding Sutton and their friendship. 

That's all. 

but hold on EVEN these ladies have bitched about how ride or die she is for sutton EVERY ONE OF Them .. how she takes up for her and she shouldn't how she should leave her out to dry ...Each lady has told Garcelle to stop being so close to her( and the implication was they would be closer to her if only she wasnt as close to sutton) ..

so if they see her has ride or die and telling her to let us attack her and back off and she doesnt to her determent with these same ladies just proves how ride or die she actually was

Edited April 3 by Keywestclubkid

[MissFeatherbottom]

On 4/2/2025 at 6:41 AM, 65mickey said:

So what else is new?  that is Sutton's answer to anything negative said about her. Angry or hurt she resorts to crying. So yeah get the crying rags ready. 

I'd much rather watch a person show emotion like Sutton than have evil soulless eyes like Erika with no emotion. 

[MissFeatherbottom]

On 4/2/2025 at 8:20 AM, SweetieDarling said:

Was I the only one thinking "No, that means I have a very low opinion of YOU"

 

I'm finding it harder and harder to believe she was successful in a leadership position

Same. She seems to think she is smart, and she very well might be, but her actions and words are showing me a different side to her. 

[Keywestclubkid]

25 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

but hold on EVEN these ladies have bitched about how ride or die she is for sutton EVERY ONE OF Them .. how she takes up for her and she shouldn't how she should leave her out to dry ...Each lady has told Garcelle to stop being so close to her( and the implication was they would be closer to her if only she wasnt as close to sutton) ..

so if they see her has ride or die and telling her to let us attack her and back off and she doesnt to her determent with these same ladies just proves how ride or die she actually was

And I love me some Sutton but if these ladies especially Kyle had come to Sutton with hey well let you in our group if you let us attack G .. she would have god damn well have jumped at that .. hell they didn’t even have to offer that and she sat on mute on that couch while they each attacked G 

[princelina]

45 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

but hold on EVEN these ladies have bitched about how ride or die she is for sutton EVERY ONE OF Them .. how she takes up for her and she shouldn't how she should leave her out to dry ...Each lady has told Garcelle to stop being so close to her( and the implication was they would be closer to her if only she wasnt as close to sutton) ..

so if they see her has ride or die and telling her to let us attack her and back off and she doesnt to her determent with these same ladies just proves how ride or die she actually was

See to me this is just Garcelle being least mean to her, and the other ladies not liking it 😄

[Yours Truly]

56 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

but hold on EVEN these ladies have bitched about how ride or die she is for sutton EVERY ONE OF Them .. how she takes up for her and she shouldn't how she should leave her out to dry ...Each lady has told Garcelle to stop being so close to her( and the implication was they would be closer to her if only she wasnt as close to sutton) ..

so if they see her has ride or die and telling her to let us attack her and back off and she doesnt to her determent with these same ladies just proves how ride or die she actually was

Yeah, not to me though.

11 minutes ago, princelina said:

See to me this is just Garcelle being least mean to her, and the other ladies not liking it 😄

Exactly.

I think that's what I couldn't really put my finger on it all this time and why I've always been just okay with Garcelle and not that impressed with her even though I've wanted to be.

I guess that's why I got the fake vibe.

I got nothing against Garcelle wanting to tread lightly with her position on the show but it just screams cornball to me. LOL. 

[Yours Truly]

35 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

And I love me some Sutton but if these ladies especially Kyle had come to Sutton with hey well let you in our group if you let us attack G .. she would have god damn well have jumped at that .. hell they didn’t even have to offer that and she sat on mute on that couch while they each attacked G 

Sutton can't even think fast enough to defend herself well. What makes anyone think she's capable of quick witted commentary that would fit the task in the moment about someone else and about something no one even thought would come up?

Also, I know Garcelle has chimed in on some occasion but Sutton actually DOES have to go it alone too. It's not too much to expect Garcelle to handle the others on her own. I would think Garcelle would be better equipped to shut these girls down but I guess she's not. It says a lot about what she HASN'T had to put up with over the seasons. Yeah, she's had a few strong issues happen and topics she had to address but she's never been ambushed the way Sutton has and I hate the pile ons but at the same time it's a part of the show and it seems Garcelle seems to think it's not supposed to happen to her.

I dislike what went down but for the life of me I'm waiting for Garcelle to shut them all down and check these bitches however it's been clear for some time now that she doesn't have the chops. Which is fine of course but Garcelle should be able to fight her own battles. Of course it would have been nice for Sutton to pipe up but again that girl doesn't even know how to defend herself well so is it really a surprise that Sutton didn't have the instinct to speak up?

[Natalie68]

3 hours ago, njbchlover said:

Does anyone know if that coffee table is still in Erika's home?  Maybe Martyn Laurence Bullard only staged her rented pool house for her big "reveal" and he used the same furniture staging company that Bravo used for the reunion set decoration?  

That is what I think.  Erika needed a storyline because SHE is boring so Bravo threw her a bone.  They figured they needed set dressing anyway for the reunion so let her decorate her rented home.  Is that Martyn guy going to get a reality show soon?  Would make sense to give the audience a looksee.

[MissFeatherbottom]

22 hours ago, bravofan27 said:

 

Boz is probably the most honest person on the show this season. 

 

Boz isn't even honest with herself (example: the boyfriend, planning a baby at her age with this same guy) She may be able to be honest about other people, but she needs to look at herself too. 

[Miss Bones]

On 4/1/2025 at 8:58 PM, WaltersHair said:

"Roll the tape" always cracks me up. It's not the 80's.

Reminds me of the Bush's beans commercials "Roll that beautiful bean footage" 😃

On 4/2/2025 at 2:07 PM, jalady said:

Someone remind me: where did the Fox Force Five nickname come from?  I know who was in it, but what does the name mean?

 

On 4/2/2025 at 2:29 PM, jalady said:

Did they name themselves on that trip?

Just for a little more background, Fox Force Five is actually from the movie Pulp Fiction, originally. Uma Thurman's character in the movie tells a story about the TV show she was supposed to star in called "Fox Force Five" but it never made it past the pilot episode.

19 hours ago, Surrealist said:

There was body shaming with regard to Sutton, and people telling Jennifer that Garcelle was so boring and they were glad she's leaving, and to take Sutton with her. I saw someone comment to Jennifer that they hope Sutton is a better friend to her than she was to Garcelle. There are many, many more tasteless comments out there, if you're interested.

 

Sadly, I've seen plenty of bodyshaming on this forum lately too. I'm all for snark, but some of the comments about Sutton's alcohol bloat/Dorit being too skinny, etc. make me cringe.

[ivygirl]

3 hours ago, princelina said:

I'm not even a huge fan of hers, but as far as "storylines" go:  new beach house? beach picnic afternoon?  Kid wanting to be a model and performing in Sutton's Fake Fashion Show?  Those are the kinds of things I'm actually here to see about the women of BH.  If she had a boyfriend I'd be happy to see him, but Boz's Fake Baby storyline is about as interesting as Sutton's Fake Blind Dates and Matchmaking Hijinks.

When you put it that way, she sounds like a throwback to old-school seasons. And suddenly I'm picturing bug-eyed Ramona on a runway 🤣🤣

[Surrealist]

I agree with @Yours Truly in that Garcelle has been trying to develop a relationship with the others. Despite the fact she'll point out the ways in which Sutton puts her foot in her mouth (or whatever), it's not going to be enough for them. 

They wanted Garcelle fully on their side against Sutton. They've been trying to drive Sutton off the show pretty much from the time Sutton showed up.

They were never going to be happy with Garcelle being friendly with Sutton and with them.

Obviously all these ladies come onto the show to promote themselves, their brand, and their new projects (Garcelle, Boz, Sutton, Erika, and Dorit). I think Kyle did this as a way to re-ignite her acting career, which I suppose puts her in that previous category I mentioned.

I think they've been pretty strategic about what they're doing on the show, but Sutton, Erika, and Dorit have faltered a lot for various reasons. Out of the three, I don't think Erika and Dorit were mainly on this show looking for new friends, as where I think Sutton kind of was (in addition to the fashion line, etc.). I'm confident Sutton was the one who said Dorit approached her to remind Sutton that they were doing a job. 

In hindsight, a lot of Sutton's reactions and this season's flame out makes sense when you keep that in mind. 

I think that's why it might seem I'm defending her. I can see that reading my previous responses in this thread. I have had my issues with her this season. For sure. I'm just tired of seeing people act like the FFF have never done wrong, and if anyone reacts to them, then that person's the real evil on the show. 

This is what's pissing me off the most.

Not that Sutton is always right or innocent, but that she takes a lot of shit that should also be directed at a lot of the other HWs who've done worse shit. No one on this show is an innocent little lamb. 

I want to see the vitriol applied evenly across the board with all the HWs.

So that's where I'm at right now. 😂

50 minutes ago, ivygirl said:

When you put it that way, she sounds like a throwback to old-school seasons. And suddenly I'm picturing bug-eyed Ramona on a runway 🤣🤣

"The eyes are poppin'."

I've watched a handful of the OG RHONY eps on the HWs Pluto TV channel.

Those women are off-the-chain, but Ramona is WOW. 🤣

Edited April 3 by Surrealist

[Dr Mama]

On 4/2/2025 at 6:20 AM, SweetieDarling said:

I'm finding it harder and harder to believe she was successful in a leadership position

Yeah--I saw a glimpse of the possibility once when she told Dorit at the dinner that Sutton HAD apologized, and she was trying to help them move forward, but everything since then made me question her leadership success.

I went and checked her LinkedIn, and it does look like she had a good run at Pepsico (two different long-ish stints) and three years at Apple, but at the other big name places I've heard Bravo mention (Netflix, Uber), those positions were just over a year, which raises a lot of questions. Unless she came in for a very specific, limited project, it's not really enough time to come in, contribute, assess results, and demonstrate significant impact, AND she did not land a position of similar importance after leaving Netflix in 2022. Now, she was probably paid enough in those roles to retire early and do her own thing, but it's still telling.

For what it's worth, I think her aligning with Dorit was producer-driven. They wanted Dorit to have someone other than Erika. And maybe they have become actual friends--she came to WWHL with Dorit--or maybe she just plays the role well.

But, I've watched this show since the beginning, and I think I'm finally ready to stop watching. I would LOVE to watch a show with Garcelle (and her kids and her producing work), Sutton (and her kids, charity work, fantastic trips), Jennifer (and her poker playing and fabulous shopping and travels.) Maybe add in Crystal, Heather Dubrow (not a big fan, but could probably stand her in this group), and maybe even Kathy H. for the parties. Maybe bring back LVP. Garcelle's a producer--maybe she could make this happen.

What I have NO interest in watching is another season of grifters Dorit and Erika and slowly divorcing Kyle. And the accusations and mean girl-ness constantly. And Boz's baby and boyfriend storyline. If Boz could hang in the Garcelle/Sutton/Jennifer/etc. rich girl fun group, I'd be happy to see her there, but I don't want to see more of her with team Dorit/Erika.

[Surrealist]

One thing I really like about Boz is the way she confronted Dorit about Dorit's fight with Sutton. She pointed out how Sutton apologized and that she needs to accept that and move forward.

Boz also held Dorit accountable for her role in her spat with Sutton. Boz also spent time with Sutton alone to hear her side. Boz didn't need to walk away from that exchange as Sutton's friend, but that's how I think you best manage interpersonal conflict.

Boz made Dorit feel heard and respected, while also pointing out where she might be in the wrong without insulting/yelling at her, or trashing her in THs.

A lot of the fights on this show skew passive aggressive, so I respected that Boz acted maturely and tried to handle things in the proper manner.

I'm kind of on the fence about Boz, but I do like how she handles conflict resolution. The other ladies could learn from her.

Edited April 3 by Surrealist

[Pi237]

47 minutes ago, Dr Mama said:

-and slowly divorcing Kyle. 

🤣Love it. 
 

I fear Dorit will be joining the gang of never divorcées with Erika, and they’ll whine and tear their garments every other episode about how wrong their men did them….but they’ll stay legally married and won’t call a forensic accountant because a grifter needs plausible deniability dontcha know!

[Salacious Kitty]

29 minutes ago, Pi237 said:

🤣Love it. 
 

I fear Dorit will be joining the gang of never divorcées with Erika, and they’ll whine and tear their garments every other episode about how wrong their men did them….but they’ll stay legally married and won’t call a forensic accountant because a grifter needs plausible deniability dontcha know!

Poorit couldn't afford a forensic accountant. ErICKa may have some funds squirreled away to find Tom's offshore accounts.

[Keywestclubkid]

I love peacock leaves the F**ks in lol 

[Surrealist]

1 minute ago, Keywestclubkid said:

I love peacock leaves the F**ks in lol 

I wish Bravo would leave them in!

[Surrealist]

6 hours ago, Sweet-tea said:

I agree.

I come from a long line of a deep south, rather dramatic family. It's like something out of a Tennessee Williams play. I sheepishly admit that one of my aunts set her own house on fire to collect insurance money. She was never charged and collected a hefty sum. (There was alcohol involved, and this wasn't her first fire, but that's another story.)

Shamefully, another aunt faked Alzheimer's for disability payments. She also got away with it.

Please don't judge me. I know they're nuts/criminals! 

Is your extended family interested in doing their own reality show? 

Erika could join as a "Friend Of."

[hoodooznoodooz]

10 hours ago, Sweet-tea said:

I agree.

I come from a long line of a deep south, rather dramatic family. It's like something out of a Tennessee Williams play. I sheepishly admit that one of my aunts set her own house on fire to collect insurance money. She was never charged and collected a hefty sum. (There was alcohol involved, and this wasn't her first fire, but that's another story.)

Shamefully, another aunt faked Alzheimer's for disability payments. She also got away with it.

Please don't judge me. I know they're nuts/criminals! 

Now, YOU are not boring. 🙃