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S14.E17: A Caribbean Send Off, Season Finale


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8 hours ago, Yours Truly said:

I get it during the ridiculous cat fights and name calling and accusations that go one at one event after another but sometimes she does contribute and it goes up in a puff of smoke as quickly as a joint in a Cheech and Chong recreational vehicle.

This made me laugh out loud, so thank you for that. 😂

FWIW, I'm of the mindset that Sutton should leave the show too.

Let the others have at it. At some point, they'll start turning on one another too. 

That's how this shit always ends anyway.

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10 hours ago, Pi237 said:

But I agree about there being no point in wanting to continue to question Kyle about Morgan when she spent all last season proving she just won’t go there. Would just make Garcelle and Sutton look like bullies. 

I liked that Sutton said it was time to let that go since Kyle wasn't going to comment further on Morgan.

The other thing I was concerned about is that by Garcelle carping on the Kyle/Morgan relationship, some in the fanbase might assume she's homophobic, or leans in that direction (even though she doesn't).

On this show, they really need to watch how far they go for the drama. Look no further than Brandi (who's probably one of the most extreme HWs across all the franchises).

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With Sutton, there's rarely anything less than an over-reaction - it gives the mean girls exactly what they want.  If she could be more measured in her responses and then ignore them, perhaps they would back off.  (Not likely, but it wouldn't be the thrill that it seems to be in poking at her all the time.).  It seems like it's the reaction that gets all the bad press, not the nasty behaviour that precipitates the reaction.  (It's like when your kids fight - it's the loudest one that get the negative attention initially.)

 

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1 hour ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

“I accepted your apology, but you did do it.”

And Erika keeps making glue out of this dead horse. 
 

I don’t think that satisfies the requirements of “I accepted your apology.”

The issue with Erika is that there's no such thing as her accepting anyone's apology and moving forward. 

She clearly carries a grudge like no one's business, and she'll constantly remind you of how you "fucked her over."

Erika isn't obligated to accept any of Sutton's apologies. And that applies to all the other people she feels have wronged her. 

However, once she accepts an apology, she needs to move on. She can't keep circling back to beat the dead horse.

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Ronnie and Ben agree that Sutton desperately wants Kyle to reciprocate the friendship, because Sutton strangely believes that Kyle is the leader of the popular group. Going back to high school politics.

While, in fact, among normal viewers, Sutton, Garcelle and Jennifer are the coolest, most popular cast members.

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6 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Ronnie and Ben agree that Sutton desperately wants Kyle to reciprocate the friendship, because Sutton strangely believes that Kyle is the leader of the popular group. Going back to high school politics.

While, in fact, among normal viewers, Sutton, Garcelle and Jennifer are the coolest, most popular cast members.

I said to someone else "Is it that Sutton genuinely likes Kyle/these other women, or is she acting in a way to make them think that, so they'll quit bothering her?"

It's hard to say, although I agree Sutton looks desperate in behaving this way. They're not worth it.

Also, I don't think Kyle is magically close to Dorit anymore either. I get that we're supposed to think they "worked out their differences," but no. For Kyle, that ship has long since sailed.

She went into an interview and downplayed her off-camera friendship with Dorit by trying to distance herself in a way that feels like she was thinking, "What are you crazy?"

You can't come back from something like that. 

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“Do you think that’s true?”

“Do you think that’s true?”

“Do you think that’s true?”

Sutton repeats, because she just wants to hear “Yes” or “No.”

Or she repeats, because the Heathers on this show will just not back off Sutton. Their rage at their grifting husbands redirects at Sutton and her enormous wallet.

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12 hours ago, Surrealist said:

 

 

 

I feel relatively confident that Sutton was annoyed with Garcelle and Jennifer for speaking to the other HWs about her.

 

I agree and they actually did a piss poor job of relating the situation. It's hard to speak up for your friend when your not ready to say something with your whole chest. Oh and as much as I love love love Jennifer that was a serious misstep. Garcelle did it too. "Sutton feels........" if you are going to start with Sutton feels whatever, you better follow it with and I actually agree that's also how I saw it.  Cause you just basically said Sutton was complaining about them and that's it. Not that you and Jennifer were also listening to her grievances and agreeing and supporting her as well. Not to mention, JENNIFER was the one that felt like the conversation was rehearsed. SHE was the one that voice that particular opinion about how that went down NOT Sutton. When they went and did that they were actually sharing how they felt about what happened and framed it as Sutton's perspective and that's what I mean about Garcelle somewhat muted "support" of Sutton. 

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Real forgiveness, to me, wipes the slate clean so that both people can move forward. It's not that someone says "I've totally magically forgotten that thing you did and now I'm cool with it!"--but it also doesn't mean "I 'forgive' you, but I am going to hang this over your head for the rest of your life." I don't think I've ever seen real forgiveness on this franchise. If Erika keeps dredging up... whatever it was Sutton did, she definitely hasn't forgiven her. I think she ENJOYS "having something" so she can deflect from her own more egregious issues.

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52 minutes ago, SweetieDarling said:

Why isn't Erika livid with the Kemsleys and the Umanskys for that scene with them laughing at and joking about Tom's alleged car accident and alleged head and foot injuries? 

Erika probably sees Kyle as the one who "runs the show," so she'll never confront her. 

I think she's using Dorit, but I'm sure there's a reason she doesn't keep harping on Dorit for Pantygate, etc.

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What did I miss?

I stuck to my guns and did not tune in once to this season.

The way this show made me feel …angry, upset, stressed, etc etc, I just could not put up with another season where it left me thinking so much about these fools. Mean, nasty, criminal fools who fake friend each other to death. Just not my cup of tea anymore after season after season of escalating cruelness to each other.

I could not bear to look at Kyles ever evolving weird looking mouth or the chalkboard scratching sound that comes out of it. Ericas bitchiness either. Now Dorit has taken a role of lots more yapping than she ever did before with that shrill confrontational tone all the time. No thank-you. I Just couldn’t deal with that crap. My blood pressure has not risen one point because of this group of noodles this past year, and my brain is not ruminating on the audacity of it all and it feels sooooo good to be alive! 

The only thing I feel I missed out on was Jennifer Tilly, but I can deal with that.

I recently ran across a clip where Garcelle in a beautiful pearl dress for the seasons reunion, got up walked out and said she was done and I have to say Congratulations Garcelle! 

I had lost all respect for her and for Sutton, for staying on this show and taking all the abuse from those other clowns from hell, just for some money. Especially Sutton who does not need the supplemental income. Why would anyone put themselves through that? Fame chasers are such shallow creatures of another species and I have zilch respect for anyone who clamors for that hollywood fame now. Even Garcelle and Sutton who I used to stick up for. So I am very happy to see Garcelle too, has had enough of this show. Run Garcelle! And save yourself! The $ aren’t worth selling yourself out for. It’s a soul devouring trick! 

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16 hours ago, whydoievencare said:

With Sutton, there's rarely anything less than an over-reaction - it gives the mean girls exactly what they want.  If she could be more measured in her responses and then ignore them, perhaps they would back off.  (Not likely, but it wouldn't be the thrill that it seems to be in poking at her all the time.).  It seems like it's the reaction that gets all the bad press, not the nasty behaviour that precipitates the reaction.  (It's like when your kids fight - it's the loudest one that get the negative attention initially.)

Agreed - I would add to that her weird aggression at times ("Name it! Name it! Name it!"). It's annoying and people don't like that.  And the fakeness like with the face roller, or pretending like she wasn't upset by being ignored at Magic Mike.  And the high-handedness like the wallet comment or pretending she was upset at MM because she's on so many boards, or some such nonsense.  Snooty obsession with place cards - I was thinking to myself that they could have had place cards and put her right between Erika and Dorit!  Ha!

4 hours ago, ivygirl said:

I don't think I've ever seen real forgiveness on this franchise. 

That's because they are not friends, and despite what they often say, do not "love" each other.  They are merely a part of "this group", as they call themselves 😄  Even Kyle and Dorit - their husbands liked each other and they shared the Jewish holiday experience, so Dorit thought it was more than Kyle obviously did!  Kyle has enough friends and doesn't care about Dorit.

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This lame season should be my cue to quit these stupid shows. Instead I’m thinking, well, I’m about out of HW shows. I’m not as into Atlanta this season. When is Miami is coming back?

I’m kind of hoping Sutton quits. I don’t think other career opportunities is the only reason Garcelle quit either. I think she’s had enough with this group. 

I don’t want to watch another gang-up next season. Given Andy’s love for Kyle and her status as favorite HW, I expect she’ll be back. If her two flying monkeys cone back too, I’m out. 

 

8 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Dorit is talking out of her a- - again. Quelle surprise. Boz is an idiot, if she believes any of Dorit’s envious nonsense.

PK finally came to his senses and dumped this insufferable chatterbox.

Dorit managed to make me side with PK this season. I didn’t expect that to happen, but I was rooting for the guy to escape. 

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2 hours ago, Sweet-tea said:

I’m not as into Atlanta this season.

Me neither, it is almost like Bad Girls Club at this point.

I do not think PJ is sober when not on camera but will put up the charade for Doris to keep the story going. I do think PJ is trying to shake Doris loose before the ten-year mark, you can tell he is actively chewing off his arm off to get out of that marriage trap.

Kathy and her moisturizing frenzy, so many products everywhere, nothing in order of what she puts on, my OCD wanted to reach into the TV and organize it all for her.  When I watch scenes like that with any of the women it makes me feel like my Neutrogena moisturizer with sunscreen is not enough, like I should go for the 15 easy steps to better skin, is there proof that all that makes a difference when you run to the plastic surgeon's office every time you see a flaw?

Erika is too old to be a trophy wife so it looks as though she has lowered the bar for who gives her attention  I mean money. Does that guy like the wallpaper she selected?  

Kyle will never give a straight answer where Morgan is concerned so they all need to stop asking. Kyle will continue to travel with Morgan, go to all her concerts and tattoo parlors, but will never give any details and for that she should be just a friend of, she is not taking her own direction she gives to others about being open and honest. Now if I can just remember she is involved with Morgan Wade and not Morgan Wallen!

Garcelle has used her platform to further her career, good for her, she realized that this boat load of a shit show would only throw the anchor out on her credibility good for her. My only thought about her promoting her son for his gain will be gone, let's see if he really wanted to model or was it a storyline.  Will we see him strutting his stuff on the runway with one of Rinna's kids in the future?

Sutton might just saunter off into the sunset since her support on this show is dwindling.  I do not need to find out what happens to Avi.

 

 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Kathy and her moisturizing frenzy,so many products everywhere, nothing in order of what she puts on, my OCD wanted to reach into the TV and organize it all for her.  When I watch scenes like that with any of the women it makes me feel like my Neutrogena moisturizer with sunscreen is not enough, like I should go for the 15 easy steps to better skin, is there proof that all that makes a difference when you run to the plastic surgeon's office every time you see a flaw

I was wondering how many more lotions and serums she left at home because they weren't deemed essential. Tho it is Kathy Hilton, she may have packed her entire dressing table.

 

I could never apply that many layers of product. My skin would break out and my makeup would melt off

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3 hours ago, Sweet-tea said:

This lame season should be my cue to quit these stupid shows.

What?!? You don’t want to watch Erika dealing with the lawsuits specifically questioning her/her effin LLC accepting and spending millions of blood money?!? On the most ridiculous hobby that ever was? I want to see them eviscerate her. This is better than Scandoval. Cameras up! No break!

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2 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Your son and daughter are going to need years of therapy, recovering from your janked up life philosophy.

I read it as Jaggered up life, 'cause Jagger is a dumb name, it says my parents wanted to name me something cool and could only come up with Boy George or Mick Jagger.

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On 3/29/2025 at 1:29 PM, Baltimore Betty said:

I read it as Jaggered up life, 'cause Jagger is a dumb name, it says my parents wanted to name me something cool and could only come up with Boy George or Mick Jagger.

I thought it was because PK really wanted to represent him, but could only do as well as Boy George. 

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On 3/28/2025 at 1:09 AM, hoodooznoodooz said:

“Do you think that’s true?”

“Do you think that’s true?”

“Do you think that’s true?”

Sutton repeats, because she just wants to hear “Yes” or “No.”

 

Every time Sutton circles the nutbar drain with her repetitious questions, I keep expecting someone to step out from the shadows to slap her (to stop the buffering glitch).

On 3/29/2025 at 11:40 AM, hoodooznoodooz said:

Boz’s “looks” seem as if she dipped herself in Elmer’s Glue and then rolled around in Oriental Trading oversized party favors.

I feel bad admitting that I really dislike those 'flowers'? she wears as earrings.

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On 3/25/2025 at 7:13 PM, Steph J said:

"I don't have any ill will towards Sutton, I just want her to eat sh*t and die." - Erika, translated

Sutton needs to step back and realize that she doesn't need the approval of these women, which she apparently desperately wants. Every time Dorit or Erika opens her mouth, she should just say, "Bless your heart" and change the subject. She's rich enough to pay them dust.

Sutton WANTS approval from Kyle so bad it's sickning.  True that she doesn't need it but she wants it for whatever reason.  It looks like she proves this point at the reunion, she does not have her friend back a all. Boze can kick rocks, I can't stand her I think her loyalty is misplaced.  Dorit sucked her in so she would have a backup for Sutton, Erica is only loyal to whom she belives is the necleus on the show and that's Kyle. Erick never liked Garcell because she saw throught her shyt and Dorit's as well. I am not a big Garcell fan, but I will say she can handle herself with these witches when she needs too. I'm happy that she moved on. I think this because too personal for her, when Sutton showed her true colors. 

17 hours ago, Chatty Cake said:

I can’t stand when Sutt Butt starts her repetitive crap. She thinks she’s cute. She is not. She’s downright annoying. She’s so far up Kyle’s ass she can’t even see that Kyle doesn’t care about her.

Absolutley, that's so darn childish and stupid repeating herself over and over, I think she's bat shit crazy ! I truly believe she's on medication. 

On 3/27/2025 at 10:14 PM, Surrealist said:

This made me laugh out loud, so thank you for that. 😂

FWIW, I'm of the mindset that Sutton should leave the show too.

Let the others have at it. At some point, they'll start turning on one another too. 

That's how this shit always ends anyway.

Yes and I can't wait until they turn on Boz. 

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21 hours ago, Chatty Cake said:

I can’t stand when Sutt Butt starts her repetitive crap. She thinks she’s cute. She is not. She’s downright annoying. She’s so far up Kyle’s ass she can’t even see that Kyle doesn’t care about her.

Some of yall never have had to deal with a Narc or someone who refuses to answer a simple question. I'm assuming she is repeating it with the hope they will answer it (which from my experience, will NOT happen with people like these women.) She's trying to hold them accountable but they are not emotionally mature for that hence the gaslighting they do to make her look crazy. 

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