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S04.E17: His Girl Shiki

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Annber03

Annber03

That was a really cute episode :D. I love Joan already, she's a lot of fun, and I really liked how encouraging and supportive she was with Sasappis in terms of his efforts to try and contact Shiki. She and Sasappis also had some nice chemistry as well, so if things don't wind up working out with him and Shiki for some reason or another, I'd be fine with them having a thing. Especially since she can apparently stay wherever she roams for a really long time. 

I am very curious to see how this whole effort to reach out to Shiki goes, though.  The fact she didn't even realize it was Sasappis who'd left that deer to get her attention, awwwwww. I hope they are able to meet up again somehow, some way, and figure out what happens next from there. 

The Thor and Alberta storyline was silly fun, too, and I liked that they got to have a genuine heart to heart talk about why she didn't show up for his thousandth birthday party. I totally get that (also, if that was 50 years ago, that means that was before Pete and Trevor were part of the group. I like hearing these stories from back in the days when their crew was a little smaller. 

"Is that why you don't like my hat?"

"No. That unrelated fashion opinion." 

Yeah. This was cute and fun and I'm excited to see where this stuff with Sasappis and Shiki goes. 

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phalange

phalange

I’m really curious to see if Sas using the ghost box to travel outside the ghost boundary will actually work. I suspect it will, though who knows how long he’ll actually be able to exist in another place. Or maybe when Sam takes him to see Shiki, Shiki and Sas hang out in the ghost box? I do like Joan as well though; she and Sas have good chemistry and it was sweet how supportive she was. 

The ongoing revenge bail between Thor and Alberta is hilarious. I actually didn’t think she’d revenge bail on him at the end, but it makes sense that she would get him back for missing her party. And I love that his comments about her hat are completely unrelated; he just really hates that hat.

I laughed so hard at Jay saying he’d never hurt the ghosts then accidentally walking through Alberta and Trevor. 

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iMonrey

iMonrey

I dunno. I think the fact that Shiki said she had no real feelings for Sass is telling. Learning he'd left a deer and what an important gesture it was might have her re-thinking things in the moment but at the end of the day it's been over 500 years and she had no interest. Clearly not when they were alive either. 

Using the ghost trap to leave the boundaries is a fascinating idea and I can't wait to see it explored. 

I don't know what to make of Joan. If she was a Hollywood screen writer in the 40s how did she end up in New York? I mean, I assume that's where she died, unless she's been roaming so long she can go all the way across country and stay there indefinitely. But, why would she? There's a whole lot of backstory here to explore and it looks like we're not done with her. I kind of hope she helps Sam with her writing. The book with Isaac as a vampire sounds kind of dumb. Maybe she can help with that.

I got the biggest laugh when Sam was trying to pick Joan's brain about her Christmas movie and Sass led Joan away saying "Have you seen the other side of the room? It's sort of like this but Sam's not there." And then Flower goes "Wow, Sam, that was so amazing how you drove her right into his arms by pretending to be lame and insufferable."

Nice callback to Sam's obsession with Christmas-themed rom-coms.

It's hard to believe Jay doesn't walk through ghosts more often than he does. As a practical matter it's probably costly to do the special effect, but in "reality" (LOL) you'd think it would happen all the time.

 

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shura

shura

So, Joan didn’t finish that script only because Lucille Ball’s punch discouraged her, right?  Not because the punch killed her?

1 hour ago, Annber03 said:

The Thor and Alberta storyline was silly fun, too, and I liked that they got to have a genuine heart to heart talk about why she didn't show up for his thousandth birthday party. I totally get that (also, if that was 50 years ago, that means that was before Pete and Trevor were part of the group.

Yeah, it also means that Alberta had already been a ghost for about 50 years rather than a new ghost who didn’t know what’s what as she claimed.  I guess we should have known right then and there she was going to revenge bail on Thor at that fountain.  Btw, Thor has really nice, white teeth for a Viking, doesn’t he?

I don’t know about this 500-year-old love story between Sass and Shiki.  Does anybody here do Duolingo?  They have this story where a grandma and her grownup granddaughter meet some old guy who used to love the grandma when they were young and now that he has found her again he is ready to be together again.  My reaction to it was, dude, do you see she has a granddaughter?  She’s clearly had a life, what makes you think she has even thought of you during all these years?  It’s kind of sad that you’ve had nothing else to occupy yourself with, really.  What I’m saying is, 500 hundred years is a long time, both Sass and Shiki have had things to do, or at least observe, and get attached to.  It is a little strange to pretend they are still where they were 500 years ago.

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Orcinus orca

Orcinus orca

18 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

Learning he'd left a deer and what an important gesture it was might have her re-thinking things in the moment but at the end of the day it's been over 500 years and she had no interest.

That might have been a really important gesture back then.  Knowing now that he did something so significant might make her rethink things.  We can't look at it through the lens of life in 2025 - 500 years ago that might have been tantamount to a marriage proposal.

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PaulE

PaulE

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I liked this episode, though in some ways it wasn't the strongest, because of its focus on Sass, which we haven't had too much of.  I also liked Joan very much: good natured (didn't seem to take it personally when she found out Sass still carried the torch for Shiki), strong, kind, and spirited.  And she also knows how to take care of herself--loved her put-downs of Trevor without missing a beat.  Reminded me a bit of the characters Rosalind Russell played in '40s films.  I think I'd rather see her as Sass's pal rather than girlfriend, though.  There was something about the vibe between them that spoke more of friendship than romance, though I suppose you can't judge after just one appearance.  I hope she's brought back occasionally.  I think all the ghosts would find her fun to hang out with. 

I agree with those of you who think Shiki's interest in Sass seems a bit dicey based on what happened 500 years ago--I could see them eventually making the same mistake Isaac and Nigel did.  (However, the deer started me thinking of a Lenape version of "The Twelve Days of Christmas": six wolverines, fiiive beaver pelts; four wampum belts, three dead deer, two arrowheads, and a big bowl of corn, beans, and squash.)

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Johannah

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I think Shiki said she liked Sass, but he hadn't done anything bold to show how he felt.  Hearing about the deer changed that.  I guess she's one of those women who like men to fight for her or over her.  Could be her culture ingrained that ideal into her.

I don't remember the ghost trap and it was obviously said in a way that we should be familiar.  Could someone please explain what episode it was in and what it is.  Thanks!

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Skooma

Skooma

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1 hour ago, Johannah said:

I think Shiki said she liked Sass, but he hadn't done anything bold to show how he felt.  Hearing about the deer changed that.  I guess she's one of those women who like men to fight for her or over her.  Could be her culture ingrained that ideal into her.

I don't remember the ghost trap and it was obviously said in a way that we should be familiar.  Could someone please explain what episode it was in and what it is.  Thanks!

Looked up this online for you.  Season 2, Episode 13.  Wikipedia's summary in spoilers in case others here haven't seen Season 2's episodes:

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Following his discovery of the front desk computer's keys moving seemingly on their own, Freddy purchases ghost-hunting equipment, including a ghost trap from Latvia. The ghosts are skeptical that the trap works, dismissing it as a children's toy, but when a worried Pete refuses to test it, Thorfinn, wanting to show his bravery, gets sucked inside. Flower soon naively follows suit. Freddy calls the company that sent him the trap, and Sam presses a button that causes the device to prepare to eviscerate the ghosts from existence. As the group realizes the label on the device means it can only hold a maximum of two ghosts, Pete willingly risks his afterlife existence and allows the device to trap him, malfunction, and free all three of its captives. Due to their heartfelt conversation in the trap, Flower decides she wants to date only Thor, and he warmly agrees. Freddy, fed up with the chaos in the mansion, quits for good after hearing Alberta's humming again. Meanwhile, Sass convinces Jay via Sam to buy back Freddy's recently sold car with Jessica, but they break up as they come to grips with neither being able to participate in each other's afterlife activities.

 

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kathyk2

kathyk2

2 hours ago, PaulE said:

I liked this episode, though in some ways it wasn't the strongest, because of its focus on Sass, which we haven't had too much of.  I also liked Joan very much: good natured (didn't seem to take it personally when she found out Sass still carried the torch for Shiki), strong, kind, and spirited.  And she also knows how to take care of herself--loved her put-downs of Trevor without missing a beat.  Reminded me a bit of the characters Rosalind Russell played in '40s films.  I think I'd rather see her as Sass's pal rather than girlfriend, though.  There was something about the vibe between them that spoke more of friendship than romance, though I suppose you can't judge after just one appearance.  I hope she's brought back occasionally.  I think all the ghosts would find her fun to hang out with. 

I agree with those of you who think Shiki's interest in Sass seems a bit dicey based on what happened 500 years ago--I could see them eventually making the same mistake Isaac and Nigel did.  (However, the deer started me thinking of a Lenape version of "The Twelve Days of Christmas": six wolverines, fiiive beaver pelts; four wampum belts, three dead deer, two arrowheads, and a big bowl of corn, beans, and squash.)

I loved this episode. Joan is awesome much better than the annoying Patience. I think Hetty was right Sass being in love with Shiki caused him to miss out on potential relationships. You aren't always going to end up with the first person you meet.

3 hours ago, Chit Chat said:

Yay!  Finally, a new episode!  That was fun.  However, I am so tired of every other sentence out of Flower's mouth involves the word 'threesome' or 'orgy.'  Can the writers give this a rest?  Otherwise, great episode!

I think sex is how Flower managed to survive in the cult. Bruce gave more food to members who pleased him.

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docmatt

docmatt

I liked this episode, but it was another instance of what is bothering me about the show. I need a break from new ghosts. It has great writing, well developed characters but if there's a flaw, it's that its already crowded. I don't need someone new every week. 

I could do with a horror-themed episode where a few minor ghosts get sucked off to keep room for the core cast

 

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chaifan

chaifan

Shiki not being interested in Sass until she knew he was the one who left the deer made me think "She's Mook!" (White Lotus reference.)  Oh, these women who are only interested in ambitious, assertive men, leaving all the nice guys behind...  

But also, I was thinking, who did Shiki actually think left the deer there?  It would have been funnier if she told Pete she thought it was someone else, who she ended up dating/marrying after Sass died.  

I thought it was funny that Sass at first thought the old lady was the ghost Pete brought for him, and he was briefly considering it...

I like Joan, and her put downs of Trevor were fabulous!  At first I thought the obvious - that she was going to be interested in him and just blow off Sass.  But nope.  Thank you, Ghosts writers, for going against trope.  I love that she has a flask, that she's willing/able to share (and not in such a creepy manner as sucking Carol's fingers along with the candy).  I wonder how Joan died - no visible clues as to that.  And I wonder if Pete will also be able to travel farther, longer, like Joan, or if that's just unique to her.

Note to self:  when I hit a certain age, I will carry a satchel with me at all times that contains chocolate (on a stick, for easy sharing), a pre-mixed gin & tonic, and a fully charged tablet loaded with a million books and movies.

31 minutes ago, docmatt said:

I liked this episode, but it was another instance of what is bothering me about the show. I need a break from new ghosts. It has great writing, well developed characters but if there's a flaw, it's that its already crowded. I don't need someone new every week. 

I like Joan, but I agree with this.  I think they need to slow the roll on new ghosts.  Every once in a while is good, because we get to see the regular cast interact differently with new ghosts.  But it really is almost a "new ghost of the week" this season.  

 

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appositival

appositival

11 hours ago, iMonrey said:

"Wow, Sam, that was so amazing how you drove her right into his arms by pretending to be lame and insufferable."

Actually that bothered me considering how the ghosts make insufferable demands on Sam's time and attention. I can understand Sass wanting to spend time with Joan, but that's no reason to be rude to Sam.

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Chit Chat

Chit Chat

4 minutes ago, appositival said:

I can understand Sass wanting to spend time with Joan, but that's no reason to be rude to Sam.

Consider the source on that one!  In Flower's mind, it was a compliment.  😏

30 minutes ago, chaifan said:

Note to self:  when I hit a certain age, I will carry a satchel with me at all times that contains chocolate (on a stick, for easy sharing), a pre-mixed gin & tonic, and a fully charged tablet loaded with a million books and movies.

Bwah!   That's a good idea!  😉

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proserpina65

proserpina65

14 hours ago, Annber03 said:

The Thor and Alberta storyline was silly fun, too, and I liked that they got to have a genuine heart to heart talk about why she didn't show up for his thousandth birthday party. I totally get that (also, if that was 50 years ago, that means that was before Pete and Trevor were part of the group. I like hearing these stories from back in the days when their crew was a little smaller. 

"Is that why you don't like my hat?"

"No. That unrelated fashion opinion." 

I found that part of the episode really funny.

I guess I'm going to be an outlier here and say that I didn't like Joan as a potential girlfriend for Sass.  As on occasional foil for Trevor - that was great but I just don't care for her brashness when it comes to mixing it with Sass's personality.  I don't think they have any romantic chemistry at all. So I hope she doesn't stay long.  She can show up now and then, though.

13 hours ago, phalange said:

Or maybe when Sam takes him to see Shiki, Shiki and Sas hang out in the ghost box?

I think that might be the case.

13 hours ago, iMonrey said:

I kind of hope she helps Sam with her writing. The book with Isaac as a vampire sounds kind of dumb. Maybe she can help with that.

I can endorse that.  Because goodness knows Sam needs the help there.  Isaac as a vampire could be a lot of fun, but her writing as seen in this episode leaves a lot to be desired.  And Joan's interactions with Sam and Trevor were the best part of her storyline in this episode.

13 hours ago, shura said:

It is a little strange to pretend they are still where they were 500 years ago.

Shiki looks pretty young, though, so maybe she died not that long after Sass did?  Which would mean there'd still be 500 years apart but neither of them would've lived much life in that time.

2 hours ago, Silver-hyren said:

Am I the only one who didn’t like Joan?  I was dreading Sass starting to fall for her and then a reveal that she’d made her whole life story up.  The ending seems to imply she was genuine and really did like him but I just didn’t see any chemistry between them.

No, you're not.  I didn't like her as a romantic partner for Sass at all.

 

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mammaM

mammaM

2 hours ago, chaifan said:

 

Note to self:  when I hit a certain age, I will carry a satchel with me at all times that contains chocolate (on a stick, for easy sharing), a pre-mixed gin & tonic, and a fully charged tablet loaded with a million books and movies.

 

I think I'm there. I usually have some kind of candy in my bag, always my tablet, no gin & tonic but I've been known to keep a flask of single malt on me😂😂😎

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chaifan

chaifan

22 minutes ago, proserpina65 said:

 

13 hours ago, iMonrey said:

I kind of hope she helps Sam with her writing. The book with Isaac as a vampire sounds kind of dumb. Maybe she can help with that.

I can endorse that.  Because goodness knows Sam needs the help there.  Isaac as a vampire could be a lot of fun, but her writing as seen in this episode leaves a lot to be desired. 

This got me thinking...  Sam could seek out the ghosts of dead writers.  Find out where Anne Rice died, go there and see if her ghost is hanging around, get some writing tips.  We could have a whole new meaning for the term "ghost writer"!  😁

 

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Chit Chat

Chit Chat

2 hours ago, Silver-hyren said:

I was dreading Sass starting to fall for her and then a reveal that she’d made her whole life story up.

I'm curious as to what Pete said to Joan in order to get her to travel to the mansion.  Did he introduce himself and then proceed to tell her how he and the other ghosts are on a mission to get their friend, Sass, laid?  I don't see Pete being that bold, but she clearly knew that she was there to meet Sass.

If anything, this might turn out just to be a short-lived fling if things don't work out with Sass & Shiki.  Again, I'm tired of this storyline of trying to get Sass laid.  Resolve it one way or another and let's move on!! YMMV. 

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iMonrey

iMonrey

58 minutes ago, proserpina65 said:

Shiki looks pretty young, though, so maybe she died not that long after Sass did?  Which would mean there'd still be 500 years apart but neither of them would've lived much life in that time.

That makes me wonder more than ever how Sass and Shiki died. Both were young and must have died around the same time. Perhaps something swept through their village? Neither show any visible signs of injury or smallpox. 

I loved Joan's line about being able to roam for longer periods the longer you do it. "Like when you're eight and you have your first martini you get drunk right away, but by the time you're thirteen you can hold your liquor."

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ams1001

ams1001

15 minutes ago, Chit Chat said:

I'm curious as to what Pete said to Joan in order to get her to travel to the mansion.  Did he introduce himself and then proceed to tell her how he and the other ghosts are on a mission to get their friend, Sass, laid?  I don't see Pete being that bold, but she clearly knew that she was there to meet Sass.

Would have liked a bit of Pete talking to different ghosts to find one who both can travel and is interested in meeting someone.

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chaifan

chaifan

19 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

That makes me wonder more than ever how Sass and Shiki died.

For Sass, my "in my own head" explanation since Season 1 has been that he mistakenly ate/ingested something poisonous, and had instant (or near instant) death.  Could have been while out foraging for mushrooms, or maybe something new being used in a ritual of some sort.  That would allow for him to not have any visible signs, and why he looks healthy with not even a hair out of place.  

I honestly forgot that we still don't know his cause of death.  

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tennisgurl

tennisgurl

I really like Joan, I would love to know more about her and have her show up again. She and Sass seemed to get along really well but, sadly, he just cant shake Shiki. I like her whole vibe, I am curious as to how she died, no visible wounds and she was still a young woman. She's lucky she had that flask, that's an awesome thing to have with you as a ghost, its just too bad she didn't have a cigarette. She had already smoked her four packs of the day, we love when things are both fun and healthy. 

I usually like Flower, but its like all she can do now is talk about famous people she slept with and make fun of Sass for being a virgin. I get it, we all get it, give her some new material! 

Polar Opposites really is an amazing name for a Christmas romantic comedy, Joan really does have the gift. I love the reoccurring jokes about Sam's love for Christmas and Rose's Christmas filmography. 

Thor and Alberta and Thor's amazing plan to get back at her for missing his 1000 year birthday party went about the way I thought it would.

"I swear to God Peter..."

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Orcinus orca

Orcinus orca

7 hours ago, Silver-hyren said:

Am I the only one who didn’t like Joan?  I was dreading Sass starting to fall for her and then a reveal that she’d made her whole life story up.  The ending seems to imply she was genuine and really did like him but I just didn’t see any chemistry between them.

Table for two.  I saw nothing between them at all.

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Bastet

Bastet

6 hours ago, Tachi Rocinante said:

I love the delivery of Isaac's exasperation over Pete's humble brags.

Gods, yes, when Pete said, "You're going to love it out there" about Sass using the ghost trap to cross the boundary, the line delivery on Isaac's "I swear to God, Peter" was my favorite thing about the episode.

Which, on the whole, I found rather ho-hum, even though I did like Joan and her '40s screwball energy (and hilarious dismissal of Trevor). 

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ams1001

ams1001

7 hours ago, Silver-hyren said:

Am I the only one who didn’t like Joan?  I was dreading Sass starting to fall for her and then a reveal that she’d made her whole life story up.  The ending seems to imply she was genuine and really did like him but I just didn’t see any chemistry between them.

 

14 minutes ago, Orcinus orca said:

Table for two.  I saw nothing between them at all.

I liked her (though I feel like she's an "in small doses" kind of character), but I don't see her and Sass being a thing. She might be fun as an occasional visitor.

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Chit Chat

Chit Chat

24 minutes ago, Orcinus orca said:

I saw nothing between them at all.

The group wants Sass to have a 'wham, bam, thank you ma'am' kind of experience, but I don't think that's necessarily what he wants.  It's all just too forced upon Sass.  

I think a better lie about Shiki would've been to tell Sass that she got "sucked off" rather than she didn't have feelings for him.  That would've been an easier let-down, but only if Pete hadn't spilled the beans about Sass killing the deer & leaving it for her family.  Since he told Shiki the truth about Sass, it seems only right to let Sass know the whole story.  

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iMonrey

iMonrey

8 hours ago, tennisgurl said:

I usually like Flower, but its like all she can do now is talk about famous people she slept with and make fun of Sass for being a virgin. I get it, we all get it, give her some new material! 

Yeah I hate to say it but when Flower disappeared and everyone thought she'd been sucked off I wasn't all that disappointed. She's sort of become a one-note character. And with all the other new characters there's so much more to explore. 

shura

shura

15 hours ago, Chit Chat said:

The group wants Sass to have a 'wham, bam, thank you ma'am' kind of experience, but I don't think that's necessarily what he wants.

It’s not clear if Sass can have much more than that kind of experience with Shiki though.  If he cannot be outside the ghost trap when outside his ghost boundary, then he and Shiki will have to meet inside the trap.  So we are talking about a conjugal visit, essentially - two people spending some time together in a confined space they cannot leave until Pete pops in and empties the trap like the last time we saw it used.  And what will happen when Sass gets out of the trap at Shiki’s place - would he get immediately transported back to the mansion?  I am also curious to see how Sam is going to explain why she keeps bringing this Cold War era-looking device with Latvian inscriptions into a publishing office during working hours :).

There was also this idea on reddit that Shiki could be brought in the trap into the mansion and then released inside the closed vault to spend time with Sass (since the vault would keep her in even when she is outside her ghost boundary).  That’s still a conjugal visit, and an even more awkward one, because there would need to be a third person there to help with releasing her from the trap.  Not that Flower would mind, but Sass probably would.

I guess they will probably have to establish that a ghost can spend some time outside the boundary as long as there is a way to cross it in the first place.  In this case they can use the ghost trap simply as an airlock - the ghost (or, rather, two ghosts, because they will still have to be released from the trap by overloading it) gets in, Sam moves the trap two feet across the boundary, and voila, the world is your oyster.  Until you start disappearing and have to return to the trap to be moved back in.

 

 

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Dimity

Dimity

I know it's silly to overthink this but with regard to Sass and Shiki, they both died very young.  I mean I get that Sass was carrying a torch for her but if life had turned out differently (in other words he hadn't died when he did) they still wouldn't have had a relationship.  She must have died around the same time he did.  Not sure what my point it here, just that this occurred to me for some reason!

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shapeshifter

shapeshifter

3 hours ago, shura said:

There was also this idea on reddit that Shiki could be brought in the trap into the mansion and then released inside the closed vault to spend time with Sass (since the vault would keep her in even when she is outside her ghost boundary).  That’s still a conjugal visit, and an even more awkward one, because there would need to be a third person there to help with releasing her from the trap.  Not that Flower would mind, but Sass probably would.

But didn't they remove the door of the vault? 
If so, does that change this theory?

 

24 minutes ago, Dimity said:

…Sass and Shiki, they both died very young.  I mean I get that Sass was carrying a torch for her but if life had turned out differently (in other words he hadn't died when he did) they still wouldn't have had a relationship.  She must have died around the same time he did.  Not sure what my point it here, just that this occurred to me for some reason!

If neither Sass nor Shiki had died young, likely they would have married, I guess, assuming that they lived in an insular community of small population. 
It could be interesting to see the use of the ghost trap to reveal that had they married, they would have eventually grown apart, as often happens in relationships.

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iMonrey

iMonrey

3 hours ago, shura said:

So we are talking about a conjugal visit, essentially - two people spending some time together in a confined space they cannot leave until Pete pops in and empties the trap like the last time we saw it used.

They don't need to overload the ghost trap to release the ghosts. They found out afterwards all they had to do was turn it off then turn it back on again. 

3 hours ago, shura said:

There was also this idea on reddit that Shiki could be brought in the trap into the mansion and then released inside the closed vault to spend time with Sass (since the vault would keep her in even when she is outside her ghost boundary).

Hmm, would it though? Ghosts that tried to penetrate the vault were already within their own ghost boundary. Don't know what would happen if a ghost outside its natural boundary was inside the vault. For that matter we still don't know if being in the trap will allow a ghosts to move past its boundary.

11 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

But didn't they remove the door of the vault? 

Not that I can recall. Last time it was mentioned was when Sam threatened to have Thor put Elias in the vault if he got out of line.

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shura

shura

48 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

They don't need to overload the ghost trap to release the ghosts. They found out afterwards all they had to do was turn it off then turn it back on again. 

Ah, okay.  I didn't remember that, I thought maybe there was a release button that Sam and Jay couldn't identify because the labels weren't in English. They'd still need someone on the outside to turn it off and on then.

The funny thing is, in all the pictures of the ghost trap that I could find, it's never plugged in, even though there is clearly a power cord port there (see the next episode thread for an example).

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Chit Chat

Chit Chat

5 hours ago, shura said:

It’s not clear if Sass can have much more than that kind of experience with Shiki though.

What I should've said was that at least with Shiki, she's someone he already knows, and it probably wouldn't feel so much like a one-night stand kind of thing, even though technically it is.  I think it would be better for Sass rather than having Pete go round up someone just for him to have sex with.  It would be nice if it could be with Shiki.  

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txhorns79

txhorns79

On 4/4/2025 at 9:17 AM, Silver-hyren said:

Am I the only one who didn’t like Joan?

I liked the character, but wished she spoke more like a normal person, and not someone who speaks like she is in 1940s-era movie.  I understand that is the era she died, but it made me feel like she was performing, rather than just living the ghost life.   

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kathyk2

kathyk2

3 hours ago, txhorns79 said:

I liked the character, but wished she spoke more like a normal person, and not someone who speaks like she is in 1940s-era movie.  I understand that is the era she died, but it made me feel like she was performing, rather than just living the ghost life.   

I think ghosts like Joan highlight how stuck the house ghosts are. She's roaming while Thorfinn is upset about something that happened fifty years ago

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