S14.E14: Hemlines, and Headlines

[Keywestclubkid]

  On 3/7/2025 at 5:28 PM, Chit Chat said:

I don't think that her issues with her mom should be played out on national TV.  It's not fair to her mother that we're only hearing Sutton's version of events, especially since she's got her own demons to deal with regarding the death of her husband.  Sutton's not the only one living with that trauma.

It's not a lack of empathy for me, but a matter of knowing all sides of the story.  We've only seen snippets of her mother.  That's not fair to her.  We know very little of her life and what her own childhood was like.  If she hasn't already, maybe Sutton needs to ask her mom about her youth and what it was like to be her.  Maybe then she'll have understanding as to why her mom is emotionally reserved.  

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So wait she would be dinged for not showing her life and now she’s being dinged because she does and it’s not fair to her mother .. 

 

wait a tick 

You are literally setting up Sutton for whatever she does .. she’s damned if she does damned if she doesn’t 

We never get the other side of these things from anyone .. are you asking for Erika’s Mom side or big Kathy or is it only Sutton that’s it’s not fair that her mom isn’t getting a say 

I don’t want this to seem like I’m coming at you cause I’m 100% not it’s just I’m curious why only now with Sutton is it an issue 

[eclectcmoi]

Say what you will about Sutton's dress not being flattering on her, but damn... she has a really nice back.  I had serious envy! 

Garcelle had to use tough love with Oliver and I applaud her for that very, very difficult decision.  There was no way to enable his behavior, protect her other sons and herself as well.  Drugs are demons (used to work for an alcohol and drug rehab) and sometimes hitting rock bottom is the only way up.  And I'm sure Garcelle still had guilt, but she did what she had to do. She, Oliver and his family appear to have wonderful relationships today.  

Hi @Chit Chat! I have to respectfully disagree re Sutton.  Sutton is who is on this show and I believe it's her right to share her feelings and struggles.  She's never had validation from her mother and there isn't anything wrong with her saying she needs this still, even at her age. 

Relationships with our mothers really can make us or break us.  

[Cosmocrush]

  On 3/7/2025 at 4:59 PM, J80134 said:

sweetbutt

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😂😂😂

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[Chit Chat]

  On 3/7/2025 at 5:31 PM, Keywestclubkid said:

You are literally setting up Sutton for whatever she does .. she’s damned if she does damned if she doesn’t 

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I don't think I'm doing that.  As I said before, I missed a few seasons of this show, so I'll be the first to admit that I probably missed some important stuff along the way in regard to Sutton & her mom.  I'm going by what I've seen this season. 

  On 3/7/2025 at 5:47 PM, eclectcmoi said:

Sutton is who is on this show and I believe it's her right to share her feelings and struggles. 

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Hello ecletcmoi!, I appreciate that, but her mom didn't sign up for this show.  I think it's okay to share one's feelings and struggles, but I'd be cautious throwing family members under the bus for the sake of a story.  That's just the way I see it, and I know that doesn't mean I'm right!  

  On 3/7/2025 at 5:31 PM, Keywestclubkid said:

We never get the other side of these things from anyone .. are you asking for Erika’s Mom side or big Kathy or is it only Sutton that’s it’s not fair that her mom isn’t getting a say 

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I give them all the benefit of the doubt given what goobers some of these women can be!  

[MissFeatherbottom]

  On 3/7/2025 at 6:33 PM, Chit Chat said:

 

Hello ecletcmoi!, I appreciate that, but her mom didn't sign up for this show.  I think it's okay to share one's feelings and struggles, but I'd be cautious throwing family members under the bus for the sake of a story.  That's just the way I see it, and I know that doesn't mean I'm right!  

 

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I do want to point out she would not be on the show unless she was ok with it, she might even be getting paid for it. We can't feel too sorry for her knowing that she is well aware Sutton has been on this show for years and cameras will be following them. It's fair game on tv.

[Chit Chat]

  On 3/7/2025 at 6:45 PM, MissFeatherbottom said:

I do want to point out she would not be on the show unless she was ok with it, she might even be getting paid for it.

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Probably so.  Has her mom been on before this season?  Again, I missed a few seasons.  I'm sure I missed a few things!! 

[Keywestclubkid]

  On 3/7/2025 at 6:56 PM, Chit Chat said:

Probably so.  Has her mom been on before this season?  Again, I missed a few seasons.  I'm sure I missed a few things!! 

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Yes she was for Sutton’s business opening .. 

[Yours Truly]

  On 3/6/2025 at 10:18 PM, Baltimore Betty said:

I get what you are saying, and I agree with a lot of what you posted but we also do not know what Kyle and Mo have said to each other in real life, Kyle is not being "open and honest," with us so if Mo is running around the globe and acting single something tells me Kyle said for him to go for it.  Of course, Kyle is stunned he is doing what she said to do.

There is something about jumping from Bed A to Bed B not being the wisest thing to do but I do not think Mo is looking for the next Mrs. Mo. 

I would think that he would take his kids into consideration in playing it cool and not be public about his single like life style but maybe they all know something about him.

 

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That's the thing. Just because he's free to do as he pleases I'm not understanding need to. Even if he's ready to move on and do his thing, if it's like that and he is anxious to put it out and about like that then hello that's what a divorce is for. If he's completely checked out and ready to be this single dude about town then in my mind there's no reason to delay. 

I just think it's a bit callous to be this enthusiastic about your single status while still married with no definite talk of divorce on the horizon. Again, I get it, they are separated but it's just the gusto that leaves a bad taste. 

 

[Rlb8031]

  On 3/6/2025 at 5:32 AM, ZettaK said:

One can share a private plane with others (buy a seat) who want to fly to the same destination instead of chartering a plane, and pay a fraction of the cost. It can be from  $4,000 (or less) and up per hour depending on the type of plane, and so on. There are ads on tv here in SE Florida. 

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That still totals out to north of $10k per ticket, and you have to wait for someone else who may be flying to the same location to fill a jet. 

[Yours Truly]

  On 3/7/2025 at 5:28 PM, Chit Chat said:

I don't think that her issues with her mom should be played out on national TV.  It's not fair to her mother that we're only hearing Sutton's version of events, especially since she's got her own demons to deal with regarding the death of her husband.  Sutton's not the only one living with that trauma.

It's not a lack of empathy for me, but a matter of knowing all sides of the story.  We've only seen snippets of her mother.  That's not fair to her.  We know very little of her life and what her own childhood was like.  If she hasn't already, maybe Sutton needs to ask her mom about her youth and what it was like to be her.  Maybe then she'll have understanding as to why her mom is emotionally reserved.  

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See that's where we as a whole (in life) fail terribly. We assign parents obligations that aren't actually automatic. We seem to think that parent HAS TO BE XYZ because "that's what you do for your child". There's no magic switch that turns you into a completely different person. Yeah, parental instincts kick in sure but it has to be based on who you are as a person not who society has dictated what a parent should be. It saddens me to see how selfish of a society we've become where all I hear are DEMANDS of "I expect my parent to learn, change and apologize TO ME...." with little to no understanding or care to understand the realities their own parents faced. There are a lot of self centered adults out their hiding behind their childhood trauma making them think it's okay to villainize every misstep or mistake a parent has made and man oh man is that something else.

Different Generations dealt with different things and even now we live in a society that preaches not to parent shame each other cause EVERYONE is going through something and parenting is hard and the guilt is real and all that jazz but these will be the same people parent shaming the older generation because they did it the only way they knew how. And this whole, loophole about, well I can understand they didn't know back then but they should know and be better now is still a load a crap.  How you gonna take a 50-60-70 year old, point fingers and dictate to them how they NEED to act now and demand remorse? Tell them they are shitty and they need to apologize for their whole existence because they just so happen to be a product of the times.  It's just so unrealistic to try and rewire a persons brain to that degree.

I would do anything for my son cause I love him to death but if he were to come to me 30 years from now with a list of grievances and complaints and rudely shame me into feeling like a terrible person I would hear his words, give him my apology and then put it to bed. It's the part where I hear people wanting a whole slew of admissions of regret, remorse and shame before moving on that sounds so unhealthy to me. All I know is that if making my mother feel shitty and ashamed was what I needed to heal I'd gladly stay wounded and she was an alcoholic that gambled and stayed out late. But the house was clean, she kept us fed and kept us healthy with regular Doctor and dentist visit but that woman had demons galore. I wouldn't wish that on anyone and if I'm that damaged that I need that sort of pain from someone else to feel better than I need more than just "accountability" from them. That's a whole different level of damaged that torturing your parents ain't gonna fix. 

I'm not denying the trauma or the healing that a lot of people need its just the method of said healing that's displayed now a days.  Doesn't seem like healing to me. Just seems like a lot of standing still and holding on to demons NO ONE can exorcise but oneself. 

Oh and newsflash, it really isn't that uncommon to be left unfulfilled by a parent. I'm not saying it's not painful but at the end of the day people disappointing you is a way life including parents. Making this into something people have to survive to this degree, when it's such reality in life is just setting everyone up to fail. It's not that I'm cold hearted I'm just pragmatic. Sometimes accepting people for who they are and not taking it personally, yes even parents is one of the most freeing and healing things you can do for yourself.  Giving the bitterness life and longevity just steals everyone's joy for the time that's left. 

 

 

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[Keywestclubkid]

wouldn’t you rather brake the cycle then just continue it .. a kid definitely deserves more then some people just don’t grow up happy live with it and then become that parent. that’s literally playing out with Sutton and her mom and her parents before her well I didn’t get love so just accept what you get and don’t complain (you see what I’m saying it’s just passing the buck).. 

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[Chalby]

  On 3/5/2025 at 4:07 AM, politichick said:

The collection was a mixed bag of looks, but a good try. Sutton isn't trying to act like she is some major designer, but is making a good effort to build something.

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I confess, I wasn't sure was sustainable fashion was. I initially thought it was when a 'designer' goes to a thrift store and makes something new out of old. I wish it was explained better (but then again, a Sutton or Dorit explanation makes me zone out so I may have missed it).

[Chalby]

  On 3/7/2025 at 7:17 AM, hoodooznoodooz said:

I haven’t had cable since the end of January.

The struggle is real.

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It took me months to realize my tv services no longer have HWS on their stations. I had to order from Hayu.

[Chalby]

  On 3/5/2025 at 9:53 PM, Yours Truly said:

Too much energy is placed on the garment being the star when it should at the most be YOUR Co-Star. Sutton walks around as a non billed extra in her fashion journey and it saddens me so. 

 

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Well said (and what I attempted to say). As my mother (and those before her) would advise, "Your outfit should never wear you."

[Yours Truly]

  On 3/7/2025 at 8:19 PM, Keywestclubkid said:

wouldn’t you rather brake the cycle then just continue it .. a kid definitely deserves more then some people just don’t grow up happy live with it and then become that parent. that’s literally playing out with Sutton and her mom and her parents before her well I didn’t get love so just accept what you get and don’t complain (you see what I’m saying it’s just passing the buck).. 

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But we are all kids aren't we? At some point right? What makes a parent's trauma any less important than the adult child in question? This is a puzzle I find the most intriguing. We are ready to give such empathy to GROWN adults with childhood issues but the GROWN adults who are their parents are somehow a different breed where we should lack empathy?

So because Suttons mom is of the generation that can't really logically wrap their head around what is being asked of them that makes them cruel and terrible people? 

Breaking the cycle means moving forward and doing things the way you believe would be better for your family. Receiving support is always helpful but to me, for my healing I just chose to understand that everyone is wired differently and not everyone can shift into a new mindset and that doesn't have to mean the worst. Sure, it can be disappointing but we get to chose if we will allow it to keep having a heavy impact on our lives.

The best we can do is nurture ourselves as best we can with whatever support we do have. Putting your healing in the hands of the person who was  shortsighted enough to create the trauma in the first place seems like a fools errand to me. Just saying. 

 

[Cosmocrush]

  On 3/7/2025 at 5:47 PM, eclectcmoi said:

Say what you will about Sutton's dress not being flattering on her, but damn... she has a really nice back.  I had serious envy! 

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That was most certainly body makeup.   Probably.  Still, she does have nice skin.  Must be all that roller thing on the face.  😏

  On 3/6/2025 at 10:23 PM, Pattycake2 said:

Why does everyone in LA want their children to model?  It’s generally a difficult and sometimes unhealthy career.  Go to school.  Get a career.

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Well, in Garcelle's case it sounds like she got her start runway modeling so it's probably like any parent who are happy when their child wants to follow their footsteps.  

[nexxie]

  On 3/7/2025 at 1:55 PM, heatherchandler said:

In her defense his name is Maurice.  Kim called him Maurice too.  He started going by Mauricio for the show, apparently Kyle found that more to her liking.  She said it honored his time living in Mexico (even though he’s not actually Mexican).  
 

Unless I’m totally mis-remembering.

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According to IMDb his birth name is Mauricio Simon Umansky Sneider, and he was born in Mexico in 1970.

[RealHousewife]

  On 3/8/2025 at 1:26 AM, nexxie said:

According to IMDb his birth name is Mauricio Simon Umansky Sneider, and he was born in Mexico in 1970.

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I always assumed Mauricio must be his name if the only people who refer to him as Maurice are two in-laws who can't stand him. 

[Mar]

  On 3/7/2025 at 1:55 PM, heatherchandler said:

Sutton's "are you proud of me" comments to her daughter and mother were a little much for me. She sounded a bit needy and self-absorbed. Just say thank you and leave the stage.

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A bit needy? I thought it was astoundingly needy, and I was frankly appalled that she would say it at what was supposed to be her professional debut. I really hope she is working with a therapist on her self-esteem. And those clothes in the show… Honestly, I don’t see how they could’ve been much worse. What is she thinking! I’ve always been pro Sutton, but lately she’s been losing me.

[hoodooznoodooz]

  On 3/8/2025 at 1:45 AM, RealHousewife said:

I always assumed Mauricio must be his name, if the only people who refer to him as Maurice are two in-laws who can't stand him. 

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“Some people [who hate me] call me Maurice.”

I love that song. But I forgot about it. Song loop! My neighbors hate me!

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[Keywestclubkid]

No tea no shade but how much self esteem can Sutton have everything she does she’s being attacked for ..I honestly now understand the soothing roller 

 .. lord baby Jesus like the hits just keep coming .. its not like a plethora of other truly heinously awful cruel things other housewives on this show have actually done .. she asked if her mom and daughter were proud … STOP the presses and get the pitchforks shes a needy bitch .. 

Like let’s get some perspective here .. it’s just killing me she has to be and act perfect while everyone else gets to be a asshole and gets passes ..  

 

 

 

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I think I’m feeling so protective of Sutton with this because I have/had a crappy parent

Coming from a parent who didn’t parent and thought of me as a after thought who literally chose men and having a good time and what she needed over her child (who to this day is still trying to make excuses for her actions)

bad parenting is 100% my trigger

also no one is expecting a parent to be perfect what you do except is for your child to get a feeling of love and acceptance and safety from you and If they don’t feel that that’s YOU not doing your job as a parent point blank period.. that’s not suck it up that’s not being needy on their part that’s YOU failing as a parent at the most basic aspect of what being a parent is supposed to be,  no matter what AGE they are when they finally get the courage to ask for it .. passing the buck for shitty upbringing on the kid and meh no one gets a happy childhood really just is making excuses for YOU not doing your job as a parent and if that makes the parent feel better and absolves them of shitty parenting maybe they shouldn’t have had the kid in the first place ..

REMEMBER:  the kid didn’t ask to be born YOU brought it into the world it’s on you how they grow in it and how they see that world and the choices they make later in life is a direct reflection of how you parented them PLEASE make good choices 

and stating that you need love doesn’t make you needy it makes you human 

 

***and speaking for myself sometimes all that child (adult or not) wants to hear is I hear you .. I’m sorry … and that would actually help instead of excuse or deflections for why they didn’t do what they should have done as a parent in hindsight and making it your fault for asking for it and clutching the pearls like the kid did something wrong ..NO .. as a parent if you can't at least do that when asked there is a issue with you not the kid 

Sorry rant over lol 

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[Pi237]

I hear you, and I get it. I have Dad issues.  Long story.  And I Don’t expect Sutton to be perfect. However, I will criticize her just as much as the others.  I won’t refrain from calling something she does cringy or whatnot just because I sympathize with her upbringing.  You seem to want no criticism of Sutton to come from anyone, ever, because her Mom was a nightmare.  Or because we ding something Sutton did, that Must mean we’re ok with everything Dorit does.  Not true at all.  No one is exempt on this show or else what’s the point of commenting at all? 

[Keywestclubkid]

  On 3/8/2025 at 12:06 PM, Pi237 said:

I hear you, and I get it. I have Dad issues.  Long story.  And I Don’t expect Sutton to be perfect. However, I will criticize her just as much as the others.  I won’t refrain from calling something she does cringy or whatnot just because I sympathize with her upbringing.  You seem to want no criticism of Sutton to come from anyone, ever, because her Mom was a nightmare.  Or because we ding something Sutton did, that Must mean we’re ok with everything Dorit does.  Not true at all.  No one is exempt on this show or else what’s the point of commenting at all? 

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100% bust on anyone on this show .. it just seems that the stuff Sutton gets gripped on for compared to the actions of others seems disproportionately harsh .. Sutton’s a snob but Dorit isn’t? Dragging Suttons actions in defending herself from an onslaught of Dorit’s passive aggressiveness while hand waving away Dorit’s is just hypocritical especially when the things Dorit has said and done in comparison doesn’t even rank with the nastiness 

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[Sweet-tea]

  On 3/6/2025 at 8:30 PM, Yours Truly said:

Sometimes I think people believe that one MUST immediately get into the "scene" after a split. There are so many important components to finalizing a whole life together and finding new ground but nope. Let's go out and worry about superficial details first and foremost. Paaaaarrrrttttyyyy.... 

I really don't get this mentality that intimately palling around with the opposite sex is such a "must have" thing. It's okay to not be on someone's arm 2.5 seconds after the last one and at the very least finish putting a period to the last chapter before behaving as if that last chapter meant

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I've heard therapists recommend that you should wait a year after a divorce--not separation, divorce--to get into another relationship. The idea is doing so earlier you bring some of the baggage into the new relationship. You need time to heal from it. I think it's good advice. However, few celebrities seems to follow it. 

  On 3/5/2025 at 4:36 PM, nexxie said:

imo Kathy’s schtick is as calculated as the one her daughter Paris came up with to keep her on camera - especially all the verbal “mistakes.” Calling Mauricio Maurice, PK PJ, suggesting Dorit as MC. She’s a mean girl masquerading as ditz - has probably used this tactic for decades. Keeps her safe.

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It has become tiresome. The scene with the models was too much. She knew very well what was going on and that she was in the middle of things. It was just rude. 

  On 3/5/2025 at 5:23 PM, Mindthinkr said:

Very odd indeed to just wear a sundress that you just pull down to expose the breast. Where I live you get the results by mail. Usually it takes weeks to a month. 
However I’m of the no news is good news on that. I imagine they’d call if something needed to be Re imaged or necessitated further investigation. 

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I've never gotten my results while at the appointment. I look them up after online. It's usually quick, sometimes just a few hours after my mammogram. 

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[Sweet-tea]

  On 3/6/2025 at 12:58 AM, bravofan27 said:

Is Kathy ever sober? She said she broke her knee but was still at the party with a drink in hand. If emergency rooms had a bar, Kathy would be there every day. 

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She should watch herself given her family history. 

  On 3/7/2025 at 5:47 PM, eclectcmoi said:

Hi @Chit Chat! I have to respectfully disagree re Sutton.  Sutton is who is on this show and I believe it's her right to share her feelings and struggles.  She's never had validation from her mother and there isn't anything wrong with her saying she needs this still, even at her age. 

Relationships with our mothers really can make us or break us.  

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I'm older than Sutton and will admit I sought love, validation and approval from my mother up until the day she died in 2021. It was a hole in my heart that never healed. 

[Baltimore Betty]

  On 3/8/2025 at 2:28 AM, Mar said:

A bit needy? I thought it was astoundingly needy, and I was frankly appalled that she would say it at what was supposed to be her professional debut.

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I thought the same, isn't this when she is supposed to be thanking everyone for their hard work and supporting her, etc...? 

We probably will never see or hear of this sustainable meh clothing next season.

I would like to know what happened to all those crowns or tiaras she got from that designer that sends her one on her birthday every year. 

[JenE4]

  On 3/8/2025 at 7:50 AM, hoodooznoodooz said:

“Some people [who hate me] call me Maurice.”

I love that song. But I forgot about it. Song loop! My neighbors hate me!

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The gangster of love… Kyle should’ve seen it coming.

[politichick]

  On 3/5/2025 at 7:42 PM, Surrealist said:

I couldn't believe Erika's mother was backing up her revisionist take either.

I could swear Renee was kind of bitch toward Erika in the latter's earlier seasons. 

Renee and Reba strike me as similar in personality. It's kind of why I'm shocked that Erika and Sutton have never been able to get along. They share commonalities in their upbringings. That's usually a tie that binds people. 🤷🏻‍♀️

The earliest for me is 24 hours.

Otherwise it might be 48 hours.

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The ONLY commonality they share is growing up with tough mums.

Sutton had an upper middle class upbringing and a debutante ball and has a college degree.

Erika was going to clubs with her mother while a teenager.

  On 3/5/2025 at 1:40 AM, Straycat80 said:

If Sutton is so wealthy why didn’t she fly her mother out by private jet?

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It would have been a very bad look to fly her private to an eco-friendly fashion show. There was also a major airline technology crisis going on at the time.

[Rorysmom]

  On 3/5/2025 at 4:23 AM, Chalby said:

Second: Sutton's 'I'm just an insecure little ol' Southern gal' routine is obnoxious and makes her look needy.

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I agree. Sutton's insecurity and rudeness is always just under the surface. That's what makes her volatile as Erika said.

Even though people were EXTREMELY damaged by Tom's actions, so was Erika. She didn't articulate herself well and her personality was hella raggedy, but her life - however rich and pampered - was crumbling AND she was being accused of major crimes that she wasn't aware of. She had no reason to believe or even investigate her husband's business dealings. We see this in all tax brackets. She had to protect herself as best she could. And now, she has to live her life as best she can.

And that 2022 flashback speaks volumes. 

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[Rorysmom]

Dorit and Sutton's beef goes all the way back to the "Let the mouse go" incident. I thought Sutton was wrong then. Her insecurity caused her to overreact. 

[princelina]

  On 3/7/2025 at 8:19 PM, Keywestclubkid said:

wouldn’t you rather brake the cycle then just continue it .. a kid definitely deserves more then some people just don’t grow up happy live with it and then become that parent. that’s literally playing out with Sutton and her mom and her parents before her well I didn’t get love so just accept what you get and don’t complain (you see what I’m saying it’s just passing the buck).. 

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But wouldn't the cycle be broken by Sutton doing better to her kids, which it seems she did?  If nothing ever changed until the guilty party sincerely repented, then nothing would ever change! 😃

  On 3/8/2025 at 2:28 AM, Mar said:

A bit needy? I thought it was astoundingly needy, and I was frankly appalled that she would say it at what was supposed to be her professional debut. I really hope she is working with a therapist on her self-esteem. And those clothes in the show… Honestly, I don’t see how they could’ve been much worse. What is she thinking! I’ve always been pro Sutton, but lately she’s been losing me.

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Since I think it was all a bunch of fake for her storyline, she had to use her speech to complete the sad tale 😄

[ButterQueen]

My only take….I hated Erika’s redo.  So much clutter for a small house.

[bravofan27]

Sutton is not good at speeches. I think she's begging her mom and daughter to be "proud" of her, because she spent a gobsmacking amount of money on her fashion line and is incredibly nervous about it. Shannon from OC did the same-- she "invested" her settlement monies in some ill-fated businesses that she didn't have the money to continue to market and grow.

I hope Sutton makes a profit, but really, if she comes close to breaking even, she will be incredibly lucky. Who knows though. 

There are people as rich and richer than Sutton that make ill-fated investments and end up in really bad financial straits. Even if you have the capital to start operations, you still need investors-- you can't be alone on the hook for all the money and decision making. Sutton is not a business person. She should have found an investor with a business acumen and experience, and also should have a mentor. It's just doomed. IMO

 

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[Chalby]

  On 3/7/2025 at 10:23 PM, Yours Truly said:

  On 3/8/2025 at 3:28 PM, Rorysmom said:

Dorit and Sutton's beef goes all the way back to the "Let the mouse go" incident. I thought Sutton was wrong then. Her insecurity caused her to overreact. 

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Sutton's insecurity has been behind her many disagreements with the women. And she's vicious when she's verbally defensive. (Yet, others are cautioned to take a step back from confronting her?)

In reality tv, the rule of thumb should be: What gives, gets. All the women should understand this, and respond accordingly.

[Chalby]

  On 3/8/2025 at 3:19 PM, Rorysmom said:

AND she was being accused of major crimes that she wasn't aware of. She had no reason to believe or even investigate her husband's business dealings. We see this in all tax brackets. She had to protect herself as best she could.

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I remember feeling bad for Erika and fully understanding that she would not have been included in any of Tom's business discussions .

Anyone who watched the power dynamic in their marriage could see that Tom would never consider Erika an actual equal.

I do know after everything hit the fan for Erika, I turned to my hubby and said, "I could be questioned by the police tomorrow, and I'm not even sure of the actual 'title' for your position at work. I just know technologist is in there".

So thanks Erika for pushing me to take notes on what he does and ensure I know the info on his 2nd bank account. 😂 

[Soapy Goddess]

  On 3/8/2025 at 10:00 AM, Keywestclubkid said:

speaking for myself sometimes all that child (adult or not) wants to hear is I hear you .. I’m sorry … and that would actually help instead of excuse or deflections for why they didn’t do what they should have done

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I feel your pain 😢

[hoodooznoodooz]

“Erika was being accused of major crimes that she wasn't aware of. She had no reason to believe or even investigate her husband's business dealings.”

 

Hmmm…. I remember reading that several years ago they served Erika and Tom documents that required her signature, too. Am I misremembering? Help me out here, @Keywestclubkid, please?
 

Erika bragged that she learned a lot, while married to Tom. She could have earned a law degree? She could have passed the bar exam? Was this in her book?

 

Even if she knew nothing about Tom defrauding the airline plaintiffs and gas explosion plaintiff and medical treatment plaintiffs, etc. (a very big “if”), Erika personally attempted to ruin the life of Chris Psaila, claiming he tried to fraudulently bill her for over $800K. He and his partner could not adopt a child because of poor Erika Girardi. She hilariously references this in a fun game of Two Truths & A Lie. 
 

 

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[Keywestclubkid]

  On 3/9/2025 at 2:52 PM, hoodooznoodooz said:

“Erika was being accused of major crimes that she wasn't aware of. She had no reason to believe or even investigate her husband's business dealings.”

 

Hmmm…. I remember reading that several years ago they served Erika and Tom documents that required her signature, too. Am I misremembering? Help me out here, @Keywestclubkid, please?
 

Erika bragged that she learned a lot, while married to Tom. She could have earned a law degree? Was this in her book?

 

Even if she knew nothing about Tom defrauding the airline plaintiffs and gas explosion plaintiff and medical treatment plaintiffs, etc. (a very big “if”), Erika personally attempted to ruin the life of Chris Psaila, claiming he tried to fraudulently bill her for over $800K. He and his partner could not adopt a child because of poor Erika Girardi. She hilariously references this in a fun game of Two Truths & A Lie. 
 

 

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Yes she said she signed past legal documents she talked about it on a reunion before the shit hit the fan .. she also bragged in her book they were equal and she read EVERYTHING and understood what she signed .. and like you said she kept bragging she could pass the bar no problem 

these are all things she did while on the show pre Tom being ejected from a car that rolled 20 times flipped in the air and landed in a ditch etc etc ***add and subtract things on your whim ***cause Erika sure did 

then suddenly what’s my LLC, what’s a bank account .. I don’t know nothing about nothing.. 

It’s all connected (allegedly) 

 

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[bravofan27]

Tom screwed over Ericka just like he screwed over his clients. My observation is that people were upset with Ericka because she didn't seem to care about the clients and what they went through/were going through. Public opinion thought she should relinquish any property/money she did have rights to to pay off Tom's debts to his clients. It would have served her better to seem concerned about the clients, or at least, not clinging to her rights to expensive jewelry and things, which made her look really really bad.

Tom is a con artist. He had his clients sign agreements that were bunk or that he didn't fulfill or both. I'm sure he did the exact same with Ericka. Her "Ericka Jayne" was extraordinarily expensive. He pulled from his clients to pay for her Ericka Jayne business. Maybe at first, when he was solvent, he thought it was a wise investment and would make money, but over time, it just got more and more expensive and never became profitable, so he used the client settlement monies. I'm positive Ericka would have no idea about this, and Tom, with his huge ego and pathology, had no intention of letting her know he couldn't afford to support "Ericka Jayne." 

Now that Tom is gone, so is Ericka Jayne. Big surprise. IMO, it was a dumb show, with an obviously older woman, with no real singing or dancing talents, trying to be Britney Spears. It was so weird. 

[lilmarysunshine]

Sutton is so needy and desperate. Why get up in front of everyone and beg to have people acknowledge they are proud of you? Just make your brand look good! 

[RealHousewife]

  On 3/9/2025 at 2:52 PM, hoodooznoodooz said:

“Erika was being accused of major crimes that she wasn't aware of. She had no reason to believe or even investigate her husband's business dealings.”

 

Hmmm…. I remember reading that several years ago they served Erika and Tom documents that required her signature, too. Am I misremembering? Help me out here, @Keywestclubkid, please?
 

Erika bragged that she learned a lot, while married to Tom. She could have earned a law degree? She could have passed the bar exam? Was this in her book?

 

Even if she knew nothing about Tom defrauding the airline plaintiffs and gas explosion plaintiff and medical treatment plaintiffs, etc. (a very big “if”), Erika personally attempted to ruin the life of Chris Psaila, claiming he tried to fraudulently bill her for over $800K. He and his partner could not adopt a child because of poor Erika Girardi. She hilariously references this in a fun game of Two Truths & A Lie. 
 

 

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This

  On 3/9/2025 at 3:25 PM, Keywestclubkid said:

Yes she said she signed past legal documents she talked about it on a reunion before the shit hit the fan .. she also bragged in her book they were equal and she read EVERYTHING and understood what she signed .. and like you said she kept bragging she could pass the bar no problem 

these are all things she did while on the show pre Tom being ejected from a car that rolled 20 times flipped in the air and landed in a ditch etc etc ***add and subtract things on your whim ***cause Erika sure did 

then suddenly what’s my LLC, what’s a bank account .. I don’t know nothing about nothing.. 

It’s all connected (allegedly) 

 

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and this

I understand being under scrutiny and dealing with lawsuits must have been incredibly stressful. I can even wrap my head around being leery of giving up any money/jewelry until everything is sorted out in court and you know you'll be okay. 

My major issues with Erika are how she treated Chris Psaila, her "I don't give a f*** about anyone else but me," and her behavior upon meeting the victims. She's just so consistently cold. 

[snarts]

Erika might not have known about her husband's dealings but it was her behavior once they became public that makes her an asshole. 

She had zero empathy for the people he stole money from. Worse, she fought to keep that money from being returned to them. Money she in no way earned, all the while painting herself as the victim.

[Keywestclubkid]

The special she did with the victims where she literally shit on them .. it just she didn’t physically rip them off but she didn’t care that it happened she only cared it effected her 

 

And this revisionist crap she is now peddling to kinda sweep all that under the rug and make her the out upon fleeing from this horrible controlling man with nothing but her wits and $2.00 is annoying 

[princelina]

  On 3/8/2025 at 6:56 PM, ButterQueen said:

My only take….I hated Erika’s redo.  So much clutter for a small house.

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Didn't hate it but don't love - I still think I could have done better from Home Goods and thrift stores!

  On 3/8/2025 at 10:30 PM, bravofan27 said:

Sutton is not good at speeches. I think she's begging her mom and daughter to be "proud" of her, because she spent a gobsmacking amount of money on her fashion line and is incredibly nervous about it.

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  On 3/9/2025 at 7:37 PM, lilmarysunshine said:

Sutton is so needy and desperate. Why get up in front of everyone and beg to have people acknowledge they are proud of you? Just make your brand look good! 

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I could believe she spent a ton on her store with the fancy designer clothes, and if it was getting to be too expensive she was smart enough to get rid of it, but her "fashion line" looks like cheap crap from the sewing machine of Brooks Marks.  IMO it was there for a storyline, including the super cheap "fashion show", and I'm assuming she got the guest list for that from "Kathy Hilton's Christmas Party" 😄

 

  On 3/9/2025 at 4:30 AM, Chalby said:

Sutton's insecurity has been behind her many disagreements with the women. And she's vicious when she's verbally defensive. (Yet, others are cautioned to take a step back from confronting her?)

In reality tv, the rule of thumb should be: What gives, gets. All the women should understand this, and respond accordingly.

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Oh I think they get it, which is why they do things like going out together after the reunion, and changing allies from year to year!  Their personalities allow them to vary their responses - flee (Kyle), haughty threats (Erica), laughs (Garcelle), endless talking (Dorit).  Last week reruns showed up on my DVD of Sutton's first appearance - she she seemed to come on the show to be a bitch in that episode; at a later point she must have decided that blinking and pausing to act ditzy was the way she wanted to go.  🤷‍♀️

 

Edited March 10 by princelina

[Yours Truly]

  On 3/8/2025 at 10:00 AM, Keywestclubkid said:

No tea no shade but how much self esteem can Sutton have everything she does she’s being attacked for ..I honestly now understand the soothing roller 

 .. lord baby Jesus like the hits just keep coming .. its not like a plethora of other truly heinously awful cruel things other housewives on this show have actually done .. she asked if her mom and daughter were proud … STOP the presses and get the pitchforks shes a needy bitch .. 

Like let’s get some perspective here .. it’s just killing me she has to be and act perfect while everyone else gets to be a asshole and gets passes ..  

 

 

 

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I think I’m feeling so protective of Sutton with this because I have/had a crappy parent

Coming from a parent who didn’t parent and thought of me as a after thought who literally chose men and having a good time and what she needed over her child (who to this day is still trying to make excuses for her actions)

bad parenting is 100% my trigger

also no one is expecting a parent to be perfect what you do except is for your child to get a feeling of love and acceptance and safety from you and If they don’t feel that that’s YOU not doing your job as a parent point blank period.. that’s not suck it up that’s not being needy on their part that’s YOU failing as a parent at the most basic aspect of what being a parent is supposed to be,  no matter what AGE they are when they finally get the courage to ask for it .. passing the buck for shitty upbringing on the kid and meh no one gets a happy childhood really just is making excuses for YOU not doing your job as a parent and if that makes the parent feel better and absolves them of shitty parenting maybe they shouldn’t have had the kid in the first place ..

REMEMBER:  the kid didn’t ask to be born YOU brought it into the world it’s on you how they grow in it and how they see that world and the choices they make later in life is a direct reflection of how you parented them PLEASE make good choices 

and stating that you need love doesn’t make you needy it makes you human 

 

***and speaking for myself sometimes all that child (adult or not) wants to hear is I hear you .. I’m sorry … and that would actually help instead of excuse or deflections for why they didn’t do what they should have done as a parent in hindsight and making it your fault for asking for it and clutching the pearls like the kid did something wrong ..NO .. as a parent if you can't at least do that when asked there is a issue with you not the kid 

Sorry rant over lol 

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But when you don't get it I think it's totally reasonable to move on because at the end of the day how much of your life are you going to waste?

If a parent wasn't capable of it when a child was a child (and let's face it, children are the biggest motivation to do your best because they are vulnerable and developing and helpless) then what makes anyone think it will get better with age?

It can and does for some and that's awesome but for those that make the attempt and go through the therapy and learn and build the confidence to make that confrontation only to be met with resistance and denial... then what? 

All I'm saying is, after an attempt has been made and all you get is more of the same then it's time to take matters into your own hands and determine what YOUR next moves are and not contemplate other strategies to get the response you want. That, to me isn't healing. If the other side isn't willing to do the work there really isn't nothing left to do. Try to be in control of who another person "Should Be" isn't a healthy path to be on. And yes even if that other person is your parent.

Not to say resentment, hurt and anger is not warranted. Just saying that letting it linger disguised as an attempt at closure and resolution just prolongs the pain and delays the healing.

**speaking as the daughter of an alcoholic mom who never said she loved me or gave out hugs. 

Edited March 10 by Yours Truly

[Keywestclubkid]

  On 3/10/2025 at 1:32 PM, Yours Truly said:

But when you don't get it I think it's totally reasonable to move on

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spoken like someone who hasnt gone thought what Sutton and tons of others have .. its so much easier to say move on then actually do it when the trauma as been with you your entire life

 

wouldn't life be so much easier if you could just turn on and off emotions and feelings and live your life .. therapy would be out of business then

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[Yours Truly]

  On 3/10/2025 at 1:49 PM, Keywestclubkid said:

spoken like someone who hasnt gone thought what sutton me and tons of others have .. its so much easier to say move on then actually do it when the trauma as been with you your entire life

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That isn't for you to say but then again, considering your take, I'm not surprised.

A person should not have to list all their personal traumas and bad experiences.

A persons upbringing can cause them to react and treat others in a way a lot of people would find unacceptable. I personally think making assumptions as well as minimizing another persons experience is rather disappointing regardless of one’s background. However, there seems to be room for  tolerance and understanding  based on some traumas and yet not others.

Apparently, as in the case Suttons Mom, she should have “grown enough” and “learned enough” regardless of her traumas to warrant a change in her behavior and yet the same sort of evolving isn’t to be expected of all. Interesting.

My point is, that it’s all a moving scale with no real answers. The only answers we can truly find lie within ourselves. Nobody is saying that trauma doesn’t exist. It’s just that defining it and having the slight chance of healing from it will always remain in the hands of oneself. However it’s done is completely up to the individual in question.

Someone who has found a healthy path out of childhood trauma shouldn’t be scoffed at or ridiculed. Others find their way and some do not. It’s still sad all the way around.    

But regardless, Hopes that everyone finds what they are looking for.

 

 

Edited March 10 by Yours Truly

[Keywestclubkid]

  On 3/10/2025 at 3:25 PM, Yours Truly said:

That isn't for you to say but then again, considering your take, I'm not surprised.

A person should not have to list all their personal traumas and bad experiences.

 

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And a person who has gone though trauma should know not to put a time limit on the actual process or tell people HOW they should process it and to move on cause they are grown now … that persons would know how different and difficult it actually is and that each person deals with it in their own way and time  .. but here we are 

Don’t do that .. 

im not gonna go back and forth anymore 

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[Yours Truly]

  On 3/10/2025 at 3:33 PM, Keywestclubkid said:

And a person who has gone though trauma should know not to tell people how they should process it and to move on cause they would know how different and difficult it actually is .. but here we are 

Don’t do that .. 

im not gonna go back and forth anymore 

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Well I mean we all give insight.

Based on what we've been through.

I was just sharing mine like we all do here on the boards.

 

[Keywestclubkid]

  On 3/10/2025 at 3:50 PM, Yours Truly said:

Well I mean we all give insight.

Based on what we've been through.

I was just sharing mine like we all do here on the boards.

 

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With this topic and you and I it’s just better to agree to disagree and keep it moving. 
 

seriously no ill will we just arnt gonna see eye to eye and it’s ok just better to recognize it then to go round Robyn