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S9.E20: Reunion: Part 3

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Keywestclubkid

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Oop Stacy … I don’t think she paid him .. I think he got pissed the way he was portrayed on the show and is lashing out .. we saw this kinda behavior from him when he spoke to her sometimes the controlling im the man .. his masculinity got jabbed so he’s throwing her under the bus to safe face that that “wasn’t” me I was just “acting” that way for money 

 

in calling it now 

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Vanderboom

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I don't know if she paid TJ to be her boyfriend or not, but Stacy continues her Improbable Naivety Streak. Remember how she didn't want to formalize child support during her divorce? Now we have TJ who either 1) tried to humiliate Stacy by falsely claiming she paid him to be her boyfriend and is behind on her payments or 2) did a terrible job as an actor because he couldn't even pretend to be a good best friend and love interest. Neither situation looks good for Stacy. If it's Situation #2, then I don't blame Stacy for not paying him fully. You had one job, Teej.

Mia, consider the age-old question: if a Housewife storms off a reunion and nobody cares, was it worth embarrassing your children, husband, and boyfriend?

Ashley can rival Atlanta's Mama Joyce with all the gossip she hears from the streets. 🙄 Some guy on the train happened to have a story about Karen getting drunk? Yes, Karen has a drinking problem, but Ashley always seems to have a story about someone telling her intimate details about the other housewives.

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swankie

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1 hour ago, Vanderboom said:

Ashley can rival Atlanta's Mama Joyce with all the gossip she hears from the streets. 🙄 Some guy on the train happened to have a story about Karen getting drunk? Yes, Karen has a drinking problem, but Ashley always seems to have a story about someone telling her intimate details about the other housewives.

Plus that thing she said about hearing that someone else was in the car with Karen and was the one driving is complete bs.  You know if that was the case Karen would have had her lawyer subpoena that person to testify to that fact in order to keep her ass out of jail!  Puhleeze!  She was solo dolo that night and drunk as a skunk while driving! 

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ZettaK

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1 hour ago, swankie said:

Plus that thing she said about hearing that someone else was in the car with Karen and was the one driving is complete bs.  You know if that was the case Karen would have had her lawyer subpoena that person to testify to that fact in order to keep her ass out of jail!  Puhleeze!  She was solo dolo that night and drunk as a skunk while driving! 

Karen said somebody else was driving and fled the scene after the crash in the body cam videos Bravo showed. She claimed it was her security.

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swankie

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2 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Oop Stacy … I don’t think she paid him .. I think he got pissed the way he was portrayed on the show and is lashing out .. we saw this kinda behavior from him when he spoke to her sometimes the controlling im the man .. his masculinity got jabbed so he’s throwing her under the bus to safe face that that “wasn’t” me I was just “acting” that way for money 

It screams of RHOA and Walter who was supposedly hired as a love interest for Kenya.  If these guys were being paid to be lovers why treat the person paying you so poorly?  How would they expect to be paid if they're not holding up their part of the bargain?  I for one don't think either one was a paid escort.  But I do believe that they got upset at how they were being portrayed so they created the paid escort bs to save face.  I believe Stacy more so than Kenya though. 

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swankie

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That staged video of Karen and Ray made me so embarrassed for them both.  She's still not taking accountability and blaming it on drinking while taking medication instead of her plain ole having a drinking problem.  I'm so glad it didn't work and her ass is going to jail which should have happened after her 2nd DUI and especially should have happened after her 3rd.  And her saying her last DUI was 15 years ago means absolutely nothing.  It just means she managed not to get caught.  

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ZettaK

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TJ was really angry at Stacey during the season for "ignoring" him, etc. for somebody who was supposedly hired and paid. It doesn't fit the role. I wonder if she asked him to be her love interest because they were friends from QVC, and he wanted the exposure (he is an actor), but he didn't like the way he was portrayed (but that's how he presented himself though, it was his own doing)- he admitted it on his FaceTime with Eddie, and he lashed out because she was done with him, and didn't want him to be at the reunion. 

As for Eddie, he deliberately called TJ because Wendy wanted to expose Stacey who is a new HW, and had a great first season (until now) according to Andy Cohen.

Mia is done with the show because she left the reunion. She realized her storyline was exposed/didn't work. If she cared about her kids she wouldn't have this storyline. Nobody is going to miss her, cast, or viewers.

More revelations about Karen. She claimed in the body camera videos Bravo showed tonight that somebody else was driving (her "security") the night of the DUI incident who fled the scene, and she was offered a plea deal TWICE by the DA's office, and she didn't accept. She didn't because she tried to have the whole case thrown out in September, and the body cam videos before the trial in December. 

1 hour ago, For Cereals said:

I don’t believe TJ either and am a little disappointed that they don’t believe Stacey but I think they all agreed to ice her out.  

They agreed because she had a great first season like Andy Cohen said tonight. They don't like new people (who were well known already and attractive) getting attention.

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drivethroo

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2 hours ago, Sharper2002 said:

So…can we assume Mia’s never coming back? And her sidekick is going to skedaddle with her? 😬 

When you walk off your job, you won't be back.

1 hour ago, swankie said:

Plus that thing she said about hearing that someone else was in the car with Karen and was the one driving is complete bs.

Karen clearly said on the bodycam tape "he hopped out" and "I don't know why he left."  (this is about 8 minutes into the bodycam footage). 

Now, it is completely possible and in character for Karen to make this story up to get out of trouble. But, we still don't know where Karen was before the accident and who she was with. The accident happened at 11:50 PM on a Tuesday night..so which bars in a 5 mile radius of Karen's house was she coming from?

1 hour ago, swankie said:

You know if that was the case Karen would have had her lawyer subpoena that person to testify to that fact in order to keep her ass out of jail!  Puhleeze! 

Not if she didn't want anyone to know who she was with.  She was allegedly with her friend before this accident too, who was the friend and why weren't they subpoenaed? 

Remember, Karen filmed a whole scene with her cousin from Surry to get it out on film that she called him crying and in despair and grief when she got into the accident.  Why wasn't her cousin subpoenaed?

3 hours ago, Vanderboom said:

Some guy on the train happened to have a story about Karen getting drunk? Yes, Karen has a drinking problem, but Ashley always seems to have a story about someone telling her intimate details about the other housewives.

Except its the same story Wendy and Charrisse have had. Charrisse has maintained all along Karen was known in Potomac for drinking and being drunk.  I don't think Ashley is making up that story.

1 hour ago, For Cereals said:

I don’t believe TJ either and am a little disappointed that they don’t believe Stacey but I think they all agreed to ice her out.  

The reason they don't believe Stacey is because she's lying. 

IMO both TJ and Stacey are telling the truth: Stacey did not pay him.  However, she did ask him to play her boyfriend on the show in exchange for exposure for his acting career.  TJ is mad because he came off as an ass on TV and Stacey distanced herself.

1 hour ago, For Cereals said:

Also why are they so sad about Kurn and hoping they will go light on her?  4 TIMES!  Why did no one bring that up?

Because the reunion was filmed before the prosecutors told the Washington Post this was actually Karen's 4th offense. 

That little bedside confessional was BS and image management designed to manipulate the judge into giving her a softer sentence. Sadly for her, Part 3 didn't air before her sentencing. The judge said "Bitch please" and sent her straight to jail.

Ray also needs counseling so he can understand his role in this situation. Karen drinking is not his fault; HOWEVER Ray has been enabling her drinking and getting her out of trouble for decades.  He knew exactly what to say in that bodycam footage, this wasn't his first time trying to get Karen out of trouble.  He knew she was drunk out of her mind AGAIN ("Well you just had a couple of beers and that's all") Ray is going to have to make some changes too.

This whole Karen reveal has been vindication for Charrisse.

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As for Eddie, he deliberately called TJ because Wendy wanted to expose Stacey who is a new HW, and had a great first season (until now) according to Andy Cohen.

I think after what happened with Monica from Salt Lake City and Cookie Monster, the casts of these shows isn't here for newbies blatantly lying and pulling stunts and shows to get put on.

 

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dancingdreamer

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It was easy for TJ to read what some people  were saying. He read Stacey was maybe paying  him, and I think  he went with that. He looked and acted stupid. None of those guys were close with him. 

Karen and Rays video was cringe, I had second  hand embarrassment  for her. Please don't  bring her back, or Mia. 

All those dresses were uncomfortable,  if they know they are going  to be a long time, wear something  that's comfortable. 

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ZettaK

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3 hours ago, drivethroo said:

I think after what happened with Monica from Salt Lake City and Cookie Monster, the casts of these shows isn't here for newbies blatantly lying and pulling stunts and shows to get put on.

 

A lot of them put stunts. Heather from Salt Lake City, an OG, for example got a black eye three seasons ago, and accused the people of the Airbnb, and Bravo crew of being responsible in order to cover up for Jenn Shah. This season the SLC cast didn’t invite the new, fabulously dressed (or over the top for some), younger, more wealthy than all of them cimbined HW to the after the reunion dinner where they attacked her (at the reunion), especially one OG HW about not really buying a necklace, but instead borrowing it. So, casts have an issue with new, interesting HWs, stunts, or not. 

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drivethroo

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1 hour ago, ZettaK said:

Bravo shouldn't have aired this ridiculous video of Karen and Ray. 

They absolutely should have aired the video of Karen and Ray.  Karen told the cast and the audience all season long she was just grief stricken and she would be vindicated.  That a deer jumped at her and she swerved the car. Filmed a scene with her cousin to "confirm" she was just crying and grief stricken when the accident happened. Then this little video airs and we find out:

  • Ray is still enabling Karen
  • Karen now claims she was self medicating and took over the prescribed dosage of medication and "forgot" how it mixed with alcohol
  • Maintained she did not have a problem with alcohol, it was the grief and overprescribing of the self-medication

This was filmed AFTER she saw the the bodycam footage and was convicted. It was all impression management. Just like this whole season was impression management. It's also going to be why Karen is not asked back to the show, at least not as a full time cast member.

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So, casts have an issue with new, interesting HWs, stunts, or not. 

You'd be right about them going after Stacey because she's "new and interesting" if they hadn't also packed up Mia and Karen for lying.  Everyone lies and exaggerates but when you're blatantly playing in everyone's face, you gotta go.  That's also allegedly the reason they packed up Jassi and sent her about her business too.

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ZettaK

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56 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

I think Karen really thought it would vindicate her in the eyes of her castmates and the fan base. It was as close as she came to taking accountability for her actions. 

Not close enough. Ray claimed she had one previous DUI, and she claimed she didn't see the body cam videos until the trial when in reality Ray saw some of her behavior in real time, she told the cops to turn off their body cameras (it's in the videos), and her attorneys were trying to throw the whole case and the body cam videos out earlier. 

12 minutes ago, drivethroo said:

They absolutely should have aired the video of Karen and Ray.  Karen told the cast and the audience all season long she was just grief stricken and she would be vindicated.  That a deer jumped at her and she swerved the car. Filmed a scene with her cousin to "confirm" she was just crying and grief stricken when the accident happened. Then this little video airs and we find out:

  • Ray is still enabling Karen
  • Karen now claims she was self medicating and took over the prescribed dosage of medication and "forgot" how it mixed with alcohol
  • Maintained she did not have a problem with alcohol, it was the grief and overprescribing of the self-medication

This was filmed AFTER she saw the the bodycam footage and was convicted. It was all impression management. Just like this whole season was impression management. It's also going to be why Karen is not asked back to the show, at least not as a full time cast member.

3 liars got exposed during this reunion...4 if you count Ray.

Bravo accommodated Karen too much. Hopefully as a goodbye gift.

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ZettaK

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2 hours ago, drivethroo said:

They absolutely should have aired the video of Karen and Ray.  Karen told the cast and the audience all season long she was just grief stricken and she would be vindicated.  That a deer jumped at her and she swerved the car. Filmed a scene with her cousin to "confirm" she was just crying and grief stricken when the accident happened. Then this little video airs and we find out:

  • Ray is still enabling Karen
  • Karen now claims she was self medicating and took over the prescribed dosage of medication and "forgot" how it mixed with alcohol
  • Maintained she did not have a problem with alcohol, it was the grief and overprescribing of the self-medication

This was filmed AFTER she saw the the bodycam footage and was convicted. It was all impression management. Just like this whole season was impression management. It's also going to be why Karen is not asked back to the show, at least not as a full time cast member.

You'd be right about them going after Stacey because she's "new and interesting" if they hadn't also packed up Mia and Karen for lying.  Everyone lies and exaggerates but when you're blatantly playing in everyone's face, you gotta go.  That's also allegedly the reason they packed up Jassi and sent her about her business too.

Stacey was on Bravo's Watch What Happens Live which aired after the episode (but was filmed a couple of days ago), and she doubled down on playing the innocent party. I don't think the other women want her to return for a second season, but I'm not sure what Bravo will do. Andy Cohen was sarcastic toward her at times. They might have to replace several women. Bravo, and Andy Cohen didn’t want to let go of Monica from SLC, but the women didn't want her on the show. 

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Chatty Cake

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Stacey and TJs relationship was fake but I doubt she had to pay him. He should be ashamed of his horrible performance. He is a terrible actor.  Not at all surprised that bitter Wendy was quick to believe TJ. She is a jealous, bitter unhappy thing. She had to eat dirt this season and make friends with Gizelle to keep her role and she did. And her huge fake boob popping out of that ugly dress was painful and gross to look at!

The rest of the women were just as bad. Gizelle and Ashley hated that Stacey had a good season and delighted in this stupid TJ news. They also were happy to call out Karen and her drunkenness. Not out of concern for Karen or anyone’s safety but because they hate other women and hate competition. Gizelle, Ashley and Wendy had nothing going on. Boring season and super boring reunion.

 

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Baltimore Betty

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6 hours ago, Marley said:

TJ is mad because everyone could tell he is gay from being on this show so now he's trying to act like he was paid to be on it. Even if he was paid he sucks so who cares.

Bye Mia. Hopefully she's never back

 

That comment about Stacey paying him sounded like sour grapes to me.  I don't know if TJ is gay but his performance was so hammy in every scene he may not be booking as much extra work and if any casting agents saw him on RHOP I doubt they are going to cast him as a leading man, he was bland, idiotic, milk toast, mean, sarcstic, etc...not friend material and certainly not leading character material.

Maybe Stacey thought having him be pretend friend would give him more TV exposure but they way he treated her on camera did her no favors, if she was paying him she wasted her money, not a good return on investment.

 

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Baltimore Betty

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It seems to me that all of the "designers"(I use that term loosely) of the reunion dresses do not understand women's breasts.

Mia left because she was telling lies and everyone was calling her out, the bad mother comment from Gizelle was mean but the truth hurts, maybe she thought she would get sympathy because her "fabulous relationship" with Inc wasn't that interesting and her constantly telling us that G was mentally ill was heavy handed about his manic time, which according to her was his everyday state, we did not see anything like that on camera.

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amarante

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My word but that performative skit by Ray and Karen was embarrassing. Insulting to the intelligence of most people but I guess you can fool some people all of the time. 

I do have an issue with the easy excuse of "self medicating". Aren't all addicts "self medicating on a certain level.

Also I am very confused by what anti-depressants she was taking because "anti-depressants" don't actually make you feel good in the way that opioids, alcohol and other similar drugs do. They are prescribed for depression and if the psychiatrist determines that the particular dosage or actual drug isn't working, then they adjust.

But you don't get "high" from anti-depressants. 

So I am assuming that anti-depressants were really either opioids or something like Xanax which does make you high but isn't classified as an anti-depressant. Also I wouldn't be surprised if Karen used Aderallal to control weight because that also creates a feeling of euphoria. 

I also am confused as to why Stacey thought she needed a fake boyfriend.

Her story was interesting without TJ and the only added interest was negative interest in terms of wondering why she was with such a douche who treated her poorly and/or why anyone thought two middle aged people would have a celibate relationship. 

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LotusFlower

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14 hours ago, drivethroo said:

This was filmed AFTER she saw the the bodycam footage and was convicted. It was all impression management. Just like this whole season was impression management.

Exactly.  It was spin control.  She went with “self-medicating” because it doesn’t sound as bad as a drinking problem.  Only her cover story (“my grief!” “Adjusting my meds…”) was a joke and a lie.  She didn’t take accountability or tell the truth about anything.  As usual, her only goal was to fix her reputation.  She failed miserably.  
 

3 hours ago, amarante said:

Also I am very confused by what anti-depressants she was taking because "anti-depressants" don't actually make you feel good in the way that opioids, alcohol and other similar drugs do….But you don't get "high" from anti-depressants….So I am assuming that anti-depressants were really either opioids or something like Xanax which does make you high but isn't classified as an anti-depressant.

Yes, exactly!  More lies, more spin from Karen.  Good catch.  Similar to saying she was “self-medicating” instead of drinking, she thinks “upping” antidepressants sounds better than taking and abusing opioids.  

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amarante

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2 minutes ago, LotusFlower said:

Exactly.  It was spin control.  She went with “self-medicating” because it doesn’t sound as bad as a drinking problem.  Only her cover story (“my grief!” “Adjusting my meds…”) was a joke and a lie.  She didn’t take accountability or tell the truth about anything.  As usual, her only goal was to fix her reputation.  She failed miserably.  

Just adding that I do NOT believe that she didn't view the footage until the trial which was a stupid attempt to exonerate herself from denying all season that she was drunk. Because no one could possibly view the footage and not think the woman was "filled to the gills" - to quote the Judge :-)

And Ray was actually there at the scene and would have known how inebriated she was.

I think she saw the footage and in her entitled delusions thought that it would be excluded which was what the motions were about. I don't know why she thought they would be excluded because she didn't make any incriminating statements per se - her entire demeanor was evidence enough :-).

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drivethroo

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9 hours ago, ZettaK said:

I don't think the other women want her to return for a second season, but I'm not sure what Bravo will do. Andy Cohen was sarcastic toward her at times. They might have to replace several women.

Stacey isn't trustworthy which is why nobody gave her the benefit of the doubt.  However, Gizelle had that fake boyfriend from Summer House on the show so I don't really see that as a dealbreaker for her. She's gotten generally positive audience response which is all BRAVO really cares about anyway.

I don't believe Stacey paid TJ but I do believe she had an arrangement with him.

3 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Mia left because she was telling lies and everyone was calling her out,

I don't think we'll have to worry about seeing Mia ever again. Storming off your shift in the middle of the day means you put in your notice. Mia declassed the show the minute she joined the cast.  There is no reason the cast would ever been hanging out with somebody like Mia*.  If that sounds classist, it is...and it is what it is.

43 minutes ago, amarante said:

So I am assuming that anti-depressants were really either opioids or something like Xanax which does make you high but isn't classified as an anti-depressant. Also I wouldn't be surprised if Karen used Aderallal to control weight because that also creates a feeling of euphoria. 

Karen is going to have a rough time in jail withdrawing from all the alcohol and drugs and she's going to use that excuse to file an appeal.

31 minutes ago, amarante said:

I don't know why she thought they would be excluded

This wasn't Karen and Ray's first time at the rodeo.  They sprung into action and knew exactly what to do:

  • Do NOT take the breathalyzer
  • Try to get that bodycam footage struck
  • Try to get the charges reduced down to a driving citation

It worked numerous times before so why wouldn't it work again? Except this time Karen's time was up.

 

^That's the whole reason Monique was looked down on by Gizelle: she didn't come from the same background they did and they felt the only reason she was there was because of Big Chris.

Ashley also comes from a hard luck background, she literally grew up in a trailer being dumped off on her uncle and grandparents while her mom was off doing whatever. I think Ashley got grace because she married a wealthy white man and she cleans up well.  She doesn't look like where she's come from --only evidence of that is when her mom shows up. Ashley also doesn't try to put on airs.

 

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ZettaK

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1 hour ago, drivethroo said:

Stacey isn't trustworthy which is why nobody gave her the benefit of the doubt.  However, Gizelle had that fake boyfriend from Summer House on the show so I don't really see that as a dealbreaker for her. She's gotten generally positive audience response which is all BRAVO really cares about anyway.

I don't believe Stacey paid TJ but I do believe she had an arrangement with him.

Stacey also told Andy Cohen and the viewers on Watch What Happens Live yesterday that she talked to Gizelle after the reunion, trying to show that they are not in bad terms (although she didn't tell us what was discussed). Yes, Bravo doesn't consider faking a relationship too serious because it happened many times in different HW franchises (and not only) with no consequences for the fakers. Kenya Moore of the RH of Atlanta had one, and Phaedra Parks had one too (or a situationship) on the current season of Married to Medicine, and she was asked to rejoin the Atlanta HWs.

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Baltimore Betty

Baltimore Betty

1 hour ago, tvfanatic13 said:

That video... just NO! But, did Karen get even more work done on her face? Her nose looked like it was melting off. 

I got the feeling that Ray walked into that bedroom as a visitor, like he sleeps in a different bedroom down the hall.

You really have to hand it to Ray, Karen runs around on him, allegedly but he sticks by her no matter what, he is loyal to her.

 

 

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Boofish

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Ashley and Gizelle laughing at a man trying to humiliate someone. I've had salads dressed better than Gizelle and Ashley is the human equivalent of a participation trophy.

Wendy laughing at Stacey along with Drizella and Anastasia pissed me off so much. The same Wendy in them season 1 doctors appointment wigs they used for a punching bag for 4 seasons. She has decided that the Sandy from Grease approach is the best way to be accepted - shrink, dim your light and change everything about yourself to be liked. 

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Rlb8031

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22 minutes ago, drivethroo said:

Stacey isn't trustworthy which is why nobody gave her the benefit of the doubt.  However, Gizelle had that fake boyfriend from Summer House on the show so I don't really see that as a dealbreaker for her. She's gotten generally positive audience response which is all BRAVO really cares about anyway.

I don't believe Stacey paid TJ but I do believe she had an arrangement with him.

Andy tried several times to give her an out. Both on the reunion and on WWHL, he tried to say "Often HWs will cover things like plane tickets for husbands or BFs to fly to places since they are not paid for their appearance. Did you owe him money for things like that?" Stacey was adamant that she neither promised or owed any money. My guess is that TJ was being super shady and attempting to hurt Stacey directly for what he sees as a "bad edit" which is mostly about the fact that he does a really bad job pretending to be a good boyfriend. Stacey doesn't read as trying to manage her "story" the way a Kenya or Mia did, so I'm taking her at face value that she didn't try to do anything and this is all TJ being TJ.

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