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S01.E10: A House Divided

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ams1001

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11 minutes ago, bad things are bad said:

I'm about to give up on this show. Why do the mothers have to be so unpleasant? And Montana Jordan's acting seems to be getting worse 

Audrey was getting better and now she's back to being a total b- again. And for what? You live with the baby and see her every day. Is it really so offensive to have a picture of her other grandmother in the house? Other than the religious difference is there some reason for them to hate each other so much?

Connor's "now you know why I eat over here" made me chuckle. If I were him I'd eat in another room altogether.

The family picture at the end made me actually laugh. Connor is funny in small doses.

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SoMuchTV

SoMuchTV

2 minutes ago, ams1001 said:

Audrey was getting better and now she's back to being a total b- again. And for what? You live with the baby and see her every day. Is it really so offensive to have a picture of her other grandmother in the house? Other than the religious difference is there some reason for them to hate each other so much?

I agree about Audrey. It’s almost like this episode was out of sequence. 

But, I still get a few laughs out of every episode, and it’s easily my favorite of the network sitcoms that have premiered in the last couple of seasons. And yes, I realize that’s a low bar. 

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SoMuchTV

SoMuchTV

2 minutes ago, crowceilidh said:

I'm still not too happy with the tango or the tango music, and I feel the character of Connor is unnecessarily formulaic.  He was funny tonight, but he shouldn't be there at all. 

Connor and Audrey both seem to have “regressed” this week compared to the growth they’ve shown in the last few episodes.  I haven’t paid close enough attention to the continuity details to make a case that this episode was out of sequence, but that’s sure how it feels to me. 

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shura

shura

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2 hours ago, ams1001 said:

Audrey was getting better and now she's back to being a total b- again. And for what? You live with the baby and see her every day. Is it really so offensive to have a picture of her other grandmother in the house? Other than the religious difference is there some reason for them to hate each other so much?

Well, if we look at the whole picture of what transpired, I’m more with Audrey.  Yes, it was stupid of her to object to the picture.  It was equally stupid of Mary to just sneak that picture into the album.  Why not put Audrey on the spot by suggesting publicly that it would be nice if there was a picture Ceecee’s other grandma in that album, for example?  How was Audrey going to object to that?

And then there is the matter of Mary not accepting Audrey’s apology.  No matter from what angle I try to look at it, it was a sincere apology.  So what that Audrey was motivated in part by pity, how is that a crime?  No reason not to make an effort to continue peaceful coexistence for a little bit there.  But fundamentally, yes, why can’t they get along in a civilized manner?  Is it about Ceecee?

“She even got mad at Jesus once.” - “Poor Jesus.”

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ItCouldBeWorse

ItCouldBeWorse

50 minutes ago, shura said:

Well, if we look at the whole picture of what transpired, I’m more with Audrey.  Yes, it was stupid of her to object to the picture.  It was equally stupid of Mary to just sneak that picture into the album.  Why not put Audrey on the spot by suggesting publicly that it would be nice if there was a picture Ceecee’s other grandma in that album, for example?  How was Audrey going to object to that?

I don't even understand how Mary has a recent posed picture of herself and Ceecee together. And Ceecee will soon look very different. The picture should have been of George and Mary, so that Ceecee can learn who her other grandfather was. Would Audrey really have refused to include such a picture? Mary could have offered to bring one last time she was at the house, when she must have first seen the photo album.

Also, does Mary regularly invite Georgie, Mandy and Ceecee over for a (weekend) meal and they refuse to go? She knows how to cook a nice meal. Why isn't she making more of an effort to see them at her own place? Just because Missy is being difficult? Missy would probably like to see Ceecee, too.

 

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iarwain

iarwain

3 hours ago, Snow Apple said:

It wasn't pleasant watching all the fighting and Audrey was her awful self. The only relief from the anger and disdain in this episode was Pastor Jeff.

Yes, it was nice to see Pastor Jeff again.  Although most of the episode seemed forced.

It does make sense that maybe the episode was shown out of sequence.  Maybe the actresses playing Mary and Pastor Jeff were only available on certain dates - maybe they filmed all their episodes consecutively, then scattered them throughout the season.  Or something like that.  

It was also nice that we got an explanation for Connor eating at the kitchen counter.  Although I didn't find his ruining the family pictures funny.

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Yeah No

Yeah No

Although I agree with most of the criticism above, I didn't completely hate this episode because it at least had some kind of tie-in with YS and the appearance of Mary and Pastor Jeff. I just wish it had been with a better plot. The constant conflict between Mary and Audrey was not entertaining or funny. And the mention of Sheldon and his agreements only made me sad that he wasn't around to make that part of it funny. The fact that Lorre etc. have put so many limitations on the previous cast's appearances is not working out well for this show. Why they thought it could stand on its own when this is the kind of stuff that results is beyond me. And even Mary and Pastor Jeff being in this episode didn't help as much as it should have. 

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Dimity

Dimity

4 hours ago, iarwain said:

An interesting admission - I can't remember if he acknowledged that on YS or not.

An early episode had him saying he was the favourite child - MeeMaw set him straight!  But even if it is true that Sheldon was favoured, there is a big age difference and up until they decided to make Georgie Mr. Responsible he was the typical mouthy teen, the kind even the most loving of parents wants to deck now and then!

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Gregg247

Gregg247

I enjoyed the episode.  It seems like the actors are starting to feel more comfortable in their roles and the writers are giving them a bit more to work with. 

I liked how Georgie and Audrey were in agreement for a bit.  I also like how Mary and Audrey are an equal match in the "over-bearing mom" department.  Neither one of them overpowers the other and both get in some good (and funny) insults.

Plus, it's always fun to see Pastor Jeff!  

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proserpina65

proserpina65

15 hours ago, SoMuchTV said:

I agree about Audrey. It’s almost like this episode was out of sequence. 

But, I still get a few laughs out of every episode, and it’s easily my favorite of the network sitcoms that have premiered in the last couple of seasons. And yes, I realize that’s a low bar. 

I did wonder if this episode was run out of order.  It did remind me how much I hated Mary on Young Sheldon, though.

 

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shapeshifter

shapeshifter

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7 hours ago, proserpina65 said:

I did wonder if this episode was run out of order.

Just checked: 
wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgie_%26_Mandy's_First_Marriage#Episodes
According to the production codes, it was not filmed out of sequence.
And according IMDb, Zoe Perry (Mary) isn't involved in another project that would necessitate them shooting the episode out of sequence. 
It is realistic for family members to fall back into bad habits of how they relate to one another when they are around each other. 
But then again, Mary and Audrey don't have that long of a history. IDK.🤷‍♀️

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astrohip

astrohip

I'm this >< close to giving up. And I don't think I've ever said that about a Chuck Lorre show. I like my sitcoms with a little "com" in them. And all I'm getting is bitterness.

Last night's episode was 30 22 minutes of angry and resentful people. Hell, I'll watch the news if I want to see that. Lorre's shows have always had unhappy people, but he tempers it with humor and humility, and his characters have always cared for each other. But I'm having trouble finding ANY of that in this show.

I keep thinking at some point the writers turn the corner, and take us from spiteful and sullen characters, to people who care about each other. That's the blueprint for 90% of his shows. But we're ten episodes in, and nothing has changed.

I'm officially putting the writers on notice. 😁

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Chit Chat

Chit Chat

8 minutes ago, Tom Holmberg said:

I was pleased they recognized Sears as the place families at that time got their pictures taken.

My SIL used to be a photographer who took photos at the K-Mart stores (that was the late 80's, early 90's).  I tried my best over the years to help keep K-Mart in business!  Shakes a fist at Wal-Mart for killing other businesses.  😢

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DoYouLikeMutton

DoYouLikeMutton

1 hour ago, astrohip said:

I'm this >< close to giving up. And I don't think I've ever said that about a Chuck Lorre show. I like my sitcoms with a little "com" in them. And all I'm getting is bitterness.

Last night's episode was 30 22 minutes of angry and resentful people. Hell, I'll watch the news if I want to see that. Lorre's shows have always had unhappy people, but he tempers it with humor and humility, and his characters have always cared for each other. But I'm having trouble finding ANY of that in this show.

I keep thinking at some point the writers turn the corner, and take us from spiteful and sullen characters, to people who care about each other. That's the blueprint for 90% of his shows. But we're ten episodes in, and nothing has changed.

I'm officially putting the writers on notice. 😁

I agree with this!   BTW, I like your avatar Astrohip!  😆

I started this season "trying" to enjoy this show, but now I am truly "struggling" to enjoy it.    None of the characters are particularly pleasant, although I liked Mandy's father for the most part until last week.  He was kind of a jerk with that made-up convention weekend for the last 10 years.  I hate seeing Audrey and Mary constantly at each other's throats, especially over something so ridiculous.  I didn't like Pastor Jeff in YS, and the only consolation seeing him in this series is that he is slightly less unlikable than the rest of the characters.

 

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Dimity

Dimity

Finally saw this one.  God, it was just awful.  Mary was out of character - whatever her faults she was never portrayed as being unreasonably angry,  Audrey was back to her nasty self, and it was clear that for whatever reasons Mary has been excluded from her grandchild's life.  They paid lip service to Mary's recent widowhood but not in any truly meaningful way.

I'll probably watch the rest of the episodes for this season because there have been a few I thought showed promise.  But I am about ready to give up.

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iarwain

iarwain

11 hours ago, Dimity said:

But even if it is true that Sheldon was favoured, there is a big age difference and up until they decided to make Georgie Mr. Responsible he was the typical mouthy teen, the kind even the most loving of parents wants to deck now and then!

We all go through our phases.

 

1 hour ago, katycat74 said:

I did laugh when Georgie was wondering why his mother was comparing him to "the guy who got eaten by the whale" lol. Confusing Judas and Jonah

That was funny.  And also surprisingly topical since that story where the kayaker was eaten by the whale was recently in the news (although the whale immediately spat him back out, thankfully) - complete with video!

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Yeah No

Yeah No

13 minutes ago, iarwain said:

That was funny.  And also surprisingly topical since that story where the kayaker was eaten by the whale was recently in the news (although the whale immediately spat him back out, thankfully) - complete with video!

Even more coincidental is that on this week's episode of "History's Most Shocking" they featured a very similar video of two women being swallowed and spit out by a hump back whale. It seems that they only eat small fish and can't handle something as big as a human so that's why they spit them out.

iarwain

iarwain

2 hours ago, Yeah No said:

Even more coincidental is that on this week's episode of "History's Most Shocking" they featured a very similar video of two women being swallowed and spit out by a hump back whale. It seems that they only eat small fish and can't handle something as big as a human so that's why they spit them out.

Hmm, I've never seen that one.

possibilities

possibilities

I think they were trying to make a joke out of the adults acting like children and the children trying to make peace, like it was a reversal of the usual situation of bickering children with adults trying to make them get along.

But I agree it didn't work, because it's annoying the way Lorre shows make the women into unreasonable shrews and the men into innocent, put-upon, doing our best to keep the peace, guys you're supposed to sympathize with because of the terrible women they are somehow stuck with and loving despite everything.

 

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Dimity

Dimity

1 hour ago, ams1001 said:

Mary doesn't come off great, but Audrey especially sounds like a whiney child. 

The way they conveyed Mary was really forced.  Her anger was out of proportion to what had happened.  But Audrey was just so much worse.  This woman has just lost her husband and Audrey begrudges her having a picture of herself in a photo album?  Petty thy name is Audrey.

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ItCouldBeWorse

ItCouldBeWorse

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On 2/14/2025 at 4:35 PM, StaceyNotStacie said:

 

I’m a little surprised that Missy and Connie weren’t included in the pictures. Surely they could have taken a few photos with both sides of the family.

There's no way Missy would have agreed to participate (I remember how hard it was to get my kids to all cooperate in a Sears picture, and they weren't mad at the world), even ignoring the fact that the Coopers were preparing to take a family picture when George died.

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Dimity

Dimity

8 hours ago, ItCouldBeWorse said:

There's no way Missy would have agreed to participate (I remember how hard it was to get my kids to all cooperate in a Sears picture, and they weren't mad at the world), even ignoring the fact that the Coopers were preparing to take a family picture when George died.

I'd forgotten that. Makes the decision to have Mary and Audrey fight over a photograph even more ridiculous. And speaking of ridiculous Connor making an ass of himself at the photo shoot would have been funny if he were 9.  Adult man, not so much.

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EtheltoTillie

EtheltoTillie

On 2/14/2025 at 4:20 PM, Chit Chat said:

My SIL used to be a photographer who took photos at the K-Mart stores (that was the late 80's, early 90's).  I tried my best over the years to help keep K-Mart in business!  Shakes a fist at Wal-Mart for killing other businesses.  😢

Until recently we still shopped at the last Kmart, on Long Island.  :(. 

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Yeah No

Yeah No

14 minutes ago, EtheltoTillie said:

Until recently we still shopped at the last Kmart, on Long Island.  :(. 

I saw photos of that one online and was surprised it was still open. So sad. On that same report they also featured one in Miami that's still open, but I think it might be the last one and it's shrunk down to a small size. ☹️ We shopped at the local KMart here in my area until its final week. I think that was a few years ago now during the pandemic because I remember we were wearing masks.

The next store I worry about is JCPenney. They keep closing stores, but thankfully not in CT - yet, anyway. At this rate we won't have anywhere to shop anymore except Walmart and Target. We don't have the amount of stores the NY area does so when they close it's a big deal.

Dimity

Dimity

38 minutes ago, proserpina65 said:

Why would you think the writers forgot about that?  Especially they're not necessarily the same writers.

 

I can forgive inconsistencies on the part of the writers in a long running show, in a show that has aired a grand total of 10 episodes that was spun off a show that ended so recently, well no, not so much.

They want us to buy into Georgie and Mandy because, at least in part, most of us came to this show from Young Sheldon.  If they are already messing with things set up in the previous show (and IMO they are) and ignoring major plot points from the finale of Young Sheldon I am not going to be happy.

With Young Sheldon I admit I came to it reluctantly.  Based on what we knew of the Cooper family from Big Bang Theory I couldn't see how they'd make it work.  But boy did they make it work!  And I would say pretty much from the pilot episode.  George and Mandy is struggling - of course if the ratings stay high that won't matter to the powers that be but it certainly matters to me. 

proserpina65

proserpina65

1 minute ago, Dimity said:

I can forgive inconsistencies on the part of the writers in a long running show, in a show that has aired a grand total of 10 episodes that was spun off a show that ended so recently, well no, not so much.

But what about that specific thing struck you as an inconsistency?  Do you think it's completely unbelievable that Mary would take part in a family photo opportunity in order to be with her granddaughter because of the photo shoot that was planned the day of George's death?  Is that the problem?  To me that doesn't actually signal any inconsistencies or make me think the writers forgot, but maybe that's it for you?  Honestly curious here.

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ItCouldBeWorse

ItCouldBeWorse

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Although at Sears you paid more for each separate pose you bought, it would have made more sense to have taken 3 different group photos:

1) Mandy's family: her parents, her brother, Georgie, Ceecee and herself

2) Georgie, Mandy, and Ceecee with all 3 grandparents

3) Georgie, Mandy, and Ceecee with Mary

If they were just trying to take only 1 picture for Ceecee's baby book, then I guess this is a way to do it.  But down the line, Mary doesn't really need a picture with Connor (or the McAllister grandparents in it), and the McAllisters should have a nice family picture without Mary.

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Dimity

Dimity

1 hour ago, ItCouldBeWorse said:

If they were just trying to take only 1 picture for Ceecee's baby book, then I guess this is a way to do it.  But down the line, Mary doesn't really need a picture with Connor (or the McAllister grandparents in it), and the McAllisters should have a nice family picture without Mary.

The makes me think of the episode of Everybody Loves Raymond where Ray gifts Marie the taking of a family portrait.  Which is ruined for her because Debra's parents are included.  Of course Marie's tantrum could have been avoided by simply having separate pictures taken of each family group but the episode would have ended up being really short if they'd done that!

 

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