Crashcourse 21 hours ago Share 21 hours ago Juan has checked out. He's so tired of Karla and her woo-woo crap. I wonder how much money she's spent on this stuff? 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151723-s18e14-lieslieslies/
kristen111 21 hours ago Share 21 hours ago 17 minutes ago, Crashcourse said: Juan has checked out. He's so tired of Karla and her woo-woo crap. I wonder how much money she's spent on this stuff? Yep. Plus, I think most of them are just staying to get their checks, except maybe Camille and him, whatever his name is. Where are the two experts? Hiding? 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151723-s18e14-lieslieslies/#findComment-8572524
Crashcourse 21 hours ago Author Share 21 hours ago Yes, the experts are hiding because they know they screwed up. Camile and Thomas might say Yes on Decision Day, but I don't expect them to last. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151723-s18e14-lieslieslies/#findComment-8572528
kristen111 20 hours ago Share 20 hours ago NM Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151723-s18e14-lieslieslies/#findComment-8572563
Bees52 20 hours ago Share 20 hours ago Allen is getting a style lesson, and a Madison-approved change of wardrobe. She's liking the new clothes, calling him "hot," but I feel she's doing this as a friend. Like, (one of her favorite words) she's getting him dressed up for someone else, not her. 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151723-s18e14-lieslieslies/#findComment-8572564
Crashcourse 20 hours ago Author Share 20 hours ago Well, at least Camille is wearing some nice dresses for a change. Female Rocky Madison thinks she is sooooo hot and perfect looking. First, she's trying to dress him and now she's trying to get his teeth straightened. I never noticed he had crooked teeth. He needs to stand up for himself and stop letting her make him over, when he knows she doesn't even want him. 4 3 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151723-s18e14-lieslieslies/#findComment-8572577
kristen111 20 hours ago Share 20 hours ago I have to vent. I can’t stand Madison’s laugh and fake mop. That’s all. 5 2 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151723-s18e14-lieslieslies/#findComment-8572593
Elizzikra 19 hours ago Share 19 hours ago Is Ikechi anyone's cup of tea? He's a dick; showing up at couple's retreat with divorce papers and not even a complete set. Did I mishear or did he call her an asshole as he was strutting out the door? Quote Allen is getting a style lesson, and a Madison-approved change of wardrobe. She's liking the new clothes, calling him "hot," but I feel she's doing this as a friend. Like, (one of her favorite words) she's getting him dressed up for someone else, not her. I thought he looked great in his new wardrobe. Some other woman is really going to love the new and improved Allen. Quote He needs to stand up for himself and stop letting her make him over, when he knows she doesn't even want him. I'll admit it. I love Allen. He reminds me of my husband. My husband isn't a traditionally macho guy but he is the strongest and kindest person I know. He has been stuff that would break most people and he has just come through it all with a grace and dignity and love that are beautiful to see. Like Allen, my husband would throw together a beautiful meal for a group of friends and would genuinely hope that everyone enjoyed it. Like Allen, my husband (who really could not care less about what he or anyone else looks like) would dress up to try to make me feel beautiful next to him. I don't dislike Madison but she is not attracted to Allen and isn't going to be. I hope they both find someone who loves them for who they are. Juan's pornstache is unflattering. I hope that goes. 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151723-s18e14-lieslieslies/#findComment-8572643
princelina 17 hours ago Share 17 hours ago 4 hours ago, Crashcourse said: Juan has checked out. He's so tired of Karla and her woo-woo crap. I wonder how much money she's spent on this stuff? Not as much as we might think - she said at the beginning that the lady was "her" whatever-she-was-called, and claimed the lady gave her a great reading before, but at the end the woman said, "It's been nice meeting the two of you" 😳 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151723-s18e14-lieslieslies/#findComment-8572703
seacliffsal 8 hours ago Share 8 hours ago I think Karla is really exhausting to be around. Juan has really been a good sport and doing what she has wanted to do (and the tantric woman-the fact that he went to a reading after going through the tantric exercises tells me that he is pretty easy going). I laughed so much with his new look, but I think he just wants to have some fun with this whole thing. Allen is trying so hard for Madison who is better at lying than is David ('oh, no, I wouldn't go out 3 nights a week' [cue video footage]). However, I do think the new clothes look really good on him. And, who does Madison think she is-Alyssa???? I never noticed David's teeth either, but apparently Madison is channeling Alyssa with her smile demands... I thought Ikechi could not go any lower, but, no, his need for attention go beyond anything I've seen on this show before. Showing up at the couple's retreat with fake divorce papers? I'm so glad that Emem didn't fall for it-he wanted her signature for some reason and since she is very successful, I wouldn't be surprised if it was some kind of money grab. But, he knew what he was doing-disrupting and event in order to make it all about himself. Nobody should ever sign anything without carefully going over it, and, even better, having a lawyer look at it. Michelle also knows how to put all of the attention on herself. So many of these participants really know how to play the victim game. Come on, just let the others enjoy Allen's cooking and specialty cocktail and have some semblance of fun. I'm a bit frustrated that I had to sit through over 1 1/2 hours of this show to get to the couple's retreat! Next week better be pretty great... 5 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151723-s18e14-lieslieslies/#findComment-8572837
Kendra143 8 hours ago Share 8 hours ago I dislike Michelle with the fire of a thousand suns. She doesn’t want David, never wanted David, and is out to make his life as miserable as possible. She’s destined for a long lonely life (yes please). 5 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151723-s18e14-lieslieslies/#findComment-8572851
DrewPaul2010 7 hours ago Share 7 hours ago 12 hours ago, Elizzikra said: Is Ikechi anyone's cup of tea? He's a dick; I'd call him a dick and an asshole, but I don't want to insult dicks and assholes. 4 1 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151723-s18e14-lieslieslies/#findComment-8572891
Retired at last 7 hours ago Share 7 hours ago Every time I think my level of disdain and dislike for Michelle has reached a peak, she finds a way to make me even more disgusted. She is so insistent that we all see her as the victim, but she is badly misjudging her own behavior, which she has done the whole show, which is why she is going to remain a single, lonely bitch until she dies. And Madison and her laugh can just go home. Her tantrums that end up going away need to stop. But, I really need Allen to grow up and acknowledge that he is going nowhere with her, which is good for him - she will never love him. I do hope we get some answers about the reported hook-up with Madison and David or find out it was just the best teaser they could come up for this crappy season. NO, Juan - please grow back your beard. Someone referred to his "porn stache' and that's what it is. He is a handsome man, but not liking the new look. I imagine that after 8 weeks of Karla, the next woman he meets who is even semi-normal will be able to get him. He keeps saying he came on the show for fun, and that's what he is having. For Em to insist that she wants to remain married to Ick makes me totally disgusted with HER. She is supposedly a smart woman, but this is not doing her any favors. She seems to speak realistically about him when she is with the group, but I would be surprised if any of them would support her need to stay married, just to meet her goal. The thing with goals is that you need to be smart enough to realize when you set a stupid, harmful goal and be willing to CHANGE IT! My dislike for Camille continues to grow and fester. She is a very selfish woman and Tom is a great guy. He and Allen need to get together and decide that they both deserve better women in their lives. And they both will easily get them. I have yet to see why they seem so enamored with their wives. I am glad that Allen told Madison that he was NOT in love with her. She already has enough power over him. Maybe he is feeling paternal and likes caring about someone. She isn't done partying. Camille just needs an AI doll or robot to make over the way she wants since she doesn't seem to care about Tom's needs or interests. I agree that Tom and Camille will be the sole couple who say yes on Decision Day, but I hope they have split by the Reunion. Here are my predictions - Michelle will come to the Reunion saying that she has a wonderful man in her life who appreciates her - which will be a complete lie. Karla will say that her many businesses are thriving, but will still be unable to describe what those businesses are. Em will say that she is still healing from the trauma inflicted by Ick (although she inflicted it on herself) and is not looking for a partner right now. Madison and David will announce that they are living together in David's basement and going out to party every night. Allen and Tom will say that they are going on a singles cruise to meet women this summer. Juan will be back at work. 3 6 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151723-s18e14-lieslieslies/#findComment-8572894
DrewPaul2010 6 hours ago Share 6 hours ago I was somewhat surprised when they were asked if they kissed since the wedding and both Michelle and Madison admitted they haven't. I understand they (the husbands) are trying to keep the spirit of the experiment to heart and believe they are working on a marriage and not merely dating. But good grief even folks dating kiss. I wouldn't endure the slings and arrows of marriage and not even receive a token act of affection. Allen is playing a fools game to think there is anything he can do such as going to the gym, getting new clothes and now teeth straightened. I don't care if he had plastic surgery done...Madison and Michelle aren't leaving the marriage, they never checked in to that hotel to begin with. David will clearly wind up back on his feet. He doesn't have strong feelings for Michelle...how could he? Allen is going to be hurt badly. He'll find a new good woman it just won't be Madison. 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151723-s18e14-lieslieslies/#findComment-8572898
kristen111 5 hours ago Share 5 hours ago 14 hours ago, Bees52 said: Allen is getting a style lesson, and a Madison-approved change of wardrobe. She's liking the new clothes, calling him "hot," but I feel she's doing this as a friend. Like, (one of her favorite words) she's getting him dressed up for someone else, not her. Who is Madison to make him over? Her long fake hair down to her waist looks ridiculous at her age. She better lay off the weights as her shoulders are not feminine at all. They look like a man’s shoulders. She is just not all that like she thinks she is. Alan does not need a bar fly who has to go out at night and drink with friends. Doesn’t he see that? She’s changing him to leave him? 1 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151723-s18e14-lieslieslies/#findComment-8572972
DrewPaul2010 5 hours ago Share 5 hours ago 2 hours ago, Kendra143 said: I dislike Michelle with the fire of a thousand suns. She doesn’t want David, never wanted David, and is out to make his life as miserable as possible. She’s destined for a long lonely life (yes please). She'll have material things to keep her company. 12 minutes ago, kristen111 said: Who is Madison to make him over? Her long fake hair down to her waist looks ridiculous at her age. She better lay off the weights as her shoulders are not feminine at all. They look like a man’s shoulders. She is just not all that like she thinks she is. Alan does not need a bar fly who has to go out at night and drink with friends. Doesn’t he see that? She’s changing him to leave him? Maybe she thinks she'll leave him better than she found him. From a Dylan song... The geometry of innocence flesh on the bone Causes Galileo's math book to get thrown At Madison, who sits worthlessly alone But the tears on her cheeks are from laughter. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151723-s18e14-lieslieslies/#findComment-8572978
atomic 5 hours ago Share 5 hours ago I wish Allen just left his teeth alone since he even admitted to Madison that he likes them. I've noticed he could use a whitening, but other than that they aren't that bad. Disgusting Madison once again said he doesn't take care of himself because he hasn't had his teeth straightened. I wish if Allen was that eager to please Madison, he would have at least gone to a real ortho for the teeth straightening, because that Smile Direct stuff he got in the mail is a scam that ended up going bankrupt for ruining so many people's teeth. Also, David is disgusting too. That Afterparty tea that he and Madison ditched Karla to go "look for Madison's phone" for almost half an hour all but confirmed what has been going on between them. Can't wait to see Allen give David the big "F U" he deserves next week for acting chummy with Allen this whole time while on the DL bringing his wife back to the basement for late night hookups and tacos. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151723-s18e14-lieslieslies/#findComment-8572989
Madding crowd 4 hours ago Share 4 hours ago Madison had no business demanding Allen buy different clothes and straighten his teeth since she has no interest in being with him and staying out until 2 am, probably with David. Camille is also trying to change Thomas and she is her own worst enemy because he will have enough and leave. Karla has her faults but a husband who doesn’t believe in any type of affection would be hard for most people. She and Juan are polite to each other and do all the exercises but there is nothing there. I can’t muster up any feelings for Michelle and David; he lies and is probably cheating, she is a miserable person who has made zero effort. I didn’t get Ikechi showing up with a random piece of paper but Emem is too smart to fall for whatever that was. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151723-s18e14-lieslieslies/#findComment-8573022
Lindz 4 hours ago Share 4 hours ago 15 hours ago, Elizzikra said: Did I mishear or did he call her an asshole as he was strutting out the door? Because they didn't show him say it, I suspect it was inserted by editors. 🤔 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151723-s18e14-lieslieslies/#findComment-8573030
Lindz 4 hours ago Share 4 hours ago What's Em walking away for? She knew what it was! If you have to say I don't intend to hurt you, ISSA WRAP!!!! He's CHOOSING to be "hurt." He's a lost cause! LET IT GO!!! She seems so desperate. Ugh. It's cowardly to quit early?!! Not in this case! HE'S NOT IT!!! It'd be smart to end the torture! Let him be inconsistent, lie, & be disrespectful?!! HELL NO!!! That fool drove all the way there to have her sign a page where there's nowhere to sign?!! & asked her to sign it again after she pointed that out??? DAMN FOOL!!! He's done? So ACT done!!! Leave her alone!!! His spin about the arcade was absurd. Hope that's the last we have to see of him pre-DD!! 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151723-s18e14-lieslieslies/#findComment-8573037
princelina 4 hours ago Share 4 hours ago 3 hours ago, Retired at last said: Every time I think my level of disdain and dislike for Michelle has reached a peak, she finds a way to make me even more disgusted. Yeah she had the high ground for about 30 seconds, but ruined it with her own personality! 3 hours ago, DrewPaul2010 said: I'd call him a dick and an asshole, but I don't want to insult dicks and assholes. Haha if dicks and assholes watch this show they all feel good about themselves because Ikechi is so much worse 😂 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151723-s18e14-lieslieslies/#findComment-8573045
Elizzikra 4 hours ago Share 4 hours ago Quote Who is Madison to make him over? She did good though - or actually that stylist guy did. I loved all the things that they chose for him but I don't know if he bought any of it. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151723-s18e14-lieslieslies/#findComment-8573047
Lindz 3 hours ago Share 3 hours ago Really don't like Juan's closed mindedness. He just dismissed the reading. He acts open, then says he's not. His ridiculous mustache is stupid. He looked better on his wedding day with no facial hair. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151723-s18e14-lieslieslies/#findComment-8573067
Lindz 3 hours ago Share 3 hours ago So no one's gunna ask Michelle the real questions? Why not use it an excuse to officially end it? She quit day 1, so... 🙄 She was sharp with those retorts! Have A&M kissed since the wedding? HA! Does Karla text other guys when Juan rejects her? LOL!!! GOOD POINTS!!! WHAT was that shut down by David when Allen was talking??? Then Madison leaving the table??? 😕😕 HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS!!! So the others are still on David's side even though he lied & still hasn't produced ANY proof??? Apparently. I wonder if there'd be any difference if he initially told the truth that it was meant for another woman. 🤔 His excuse was reasonable & made sense, he did seem to really put it out there. It is a fair point. He should've told her & ended it instead of texting other women. She was the cause, but that doesn't permit him doing that. She should validate his feelings instead of saying he kept putting the blame back on her & is only saying that now. COME ON NOW!!! She doesn't even believe that! But her putting him on the spot after he said he knows her decision in 2 weeks, telling him to quit & be with the other woman was spot on. Lost me when he said he still wanted to be with her. WHY??? Nah. Not buying it. Like. What was supposed to happen had he sent the text to the right woman??? Progress things, logically. He was wrong saying she took too long to get the truth, no he should've told truth IMMEDIATELY!!! Nobody's buying her really trying & her infidelity trigger, she doesn't care. At this point, she just wants to know & has no intention of moving forward with the marriage... He liked her open communication, but stayed silent & let it build up. He wanted things, but didn't request them, so... I can't stand the passive, build up types. So stupid. Him shutting down any further conversation about details & then shutting down Allen is very problematic. As if he saw it going to if Madison texts other men...& texting David. Who does he think he is??? He doesn't get to just shut down conversations like that. I'd definitely push back & ask why? WHAT'S HE HIDING??? 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151723-s18e14-lieslieslies/#findComment-8573073
Crashcourse 3 hours ago Author Share 3 hours ago Female Rocky didn't make him over, it was the stylist who did a good job. Did Ikechi really think Emem would be dumb enough to sign some random "divorce" piece of paper? He was the dumb one for even thinking it. I could see all of the guys hanging out together (except the dumb one) after the show ends. Allen and Tom could do the cooking, and Juan and David could make the drinks. There will ladies out there are waiting for the invites. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151723-s18e14-lieslieslies/#findComment-8573076
Hip-to-be-Square 3 hours ago Share 3 hours ago (edited) Allen should buy that entire wardrobe that the stylist chose- great colors and the clothing fit him perfectly. These outfits can be worn for so many different occasions. Allen's old style was outlandish, disjointed and unflattering. This new look makes him look more attractive, put together and mature. Madison still won't fuck him, but he will be much more marketable on the dating apps if he keeps the talented personal stylist and slowly builds a new and stylish wardrobe overtime. Edited 1 hour ago by Hip-to-be-Square 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151723-s18e14-lieslieslies/#findComment-8573079
Elizzikra 3 hours ago Share 3 hours ago 1 minute ago, Hip-to-be-Square said: Allen should buy that entire wardrobe that the stylist chose- great colors and the clothing fit him perfectly. These outfits can be worn for so many different occasions. Allen's old style was outlandish, disjointed and unflattering. This new look makes him look more attractive, put together and mature. Madison still won't fuck him. but he will be much more marketable on the dating apps if he keeps the personal stylist and slowly builds a new and stylish wardrobe overtime. I hope he kept the stylist's number so he can update his wardrobe over time. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151723-s18e14-lieslieslies/#findComment-8573081
Crashcourse 3 hours ago Author Share 3 hours ago 13 hours ago, princelina said: Not as much as we might think - she said at the beginning that the lady was "her" whatever-she-was-called, and claimed the lady gave her a great reading before, but at the end the woman said, "It's been nice meeting the two of you" 😳 I didn't mean just the woman in a slip. I was referring to all of the tantric and card reading and whatever else she's been doing (in addition to the $13 drinks). 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151723-s18e14-lieslieslies/#findComment-8573082
Lindz 2 hours ago Share 2 hours ago Very disappointed in the lacking communication between T&C. Tom's being so vague. That's not how plans are made. Why can't they thoroughly talk through after DD? They just keep dancing around it. It's annoying. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151723-s18e14-lieslieslies/#findComment-8573086
Hip-to-be-Square 2 hours ago Share 2 hours ago (edited) Juan needs to drop that mutton chop mustache- he's a knock-off of the leather daddy from The Village People. 😅 Edited 2 hours ago by Hip-to-be-Square 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151723-s18e14-lieslieslies/#findComment-8573092
Lindz 2 hours ago Share 2 hours ago Feeling déjà vu with the husband clothes shopping, expensive edition. My God Allen's hat was awful! He made it look like he needed help! 😂An interesting first for the show & 2 wives have done it in the same season! Plus Camille's jewelry shopping outing. They're really tryna build a man, huh??? I mean, these are simple, superficial things & Allen & David could use better looking clothes. There are just so many more important things they should be working on, like their communication. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151723-s18e14-lieslieslies/#findComment-8573097
Lindz 2 hours ago Share 2 hours ago T&C are the only ones acting married. Poor communicators, but eh. Can't believe Em let that fool embarrass her like that. She should've had her own papers ready. Both are dummies. J&K are just politely coasting to DD, for what? Idk. Not marriage. Dunno what Michelle's doing. Waiting for the truth? Then what? David stays living in his alternate reality after saying he's pretty sure she'll say no on DD, for what? I really don't know. Have I ever wanted two people to quit this much? 😅 They really should be the next to quit. A&M. Idk. She's tryna make it look like she tried. Just to say she tried. Poor Allen. Why has he been sleeping on the couch??? 🤔 What else has Madison gotten mad about??? They're really playing up his impending drunken rage, so I'm suspicious. Another passive, let it build type, it seems. 🙄 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151723-s18e14-lieslieslies/#findComment-8573106
DrewPaul2010 2 hours ago Share 2 hours ago 2 hours ago, Madding crowd said: I didn’t get Ikechi showing up with a random piece of paper but Emem is too smart to fall for whatever that was. Ikechi is what you call a walk away. When God was hanging out brains he just got up and walked away... 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151723-s18e14-lieslieslies/#findComment-8573114
Crashcourse 2 hours ago Author Share 2 hours ago I think Juan was just having fun with the porn stache and the wild outfit. I'll just wait and see if he's still wearing it in the next episode. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151723-s18e14-lieslieslies/#findComment-8573115
DrewPaul2010 2 hours ago Share 2 hours ago I did admire Emem for saying she was going to stick to it and fight for her man until it was officially over. Hope she finds someone worth sticking for. Looks like only one couple is going to hang in there... I like the counselor in this show. She drilled down on Madison pretty good. Although no one has to tell someone that staying out with friends until early in the morning isn't engendering marital bliss. Allen doesn't help himself what's he doing sleeping on the couch? He should take the bed if she don't want to sleep with her husband she can take the couch. Not sure why she left in a huff because the group wanted to discuss her marriage other than she knows she's the problem. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151723-s18e14-lieslieslies/#findComment-8573116
DrewPaul2010 1 hour ago Share 1 hour ago 2 hours ago, Madding crowd said: Madison had no business demanding Allen buy different clothes and straighten his teeth since she has no interest in being with him and staying out until 2 am, probably with David. Camille is also trying to change Thomas and she is her own worst enemy because he will have enough and leave. It's actually cruel. Its leading him on to believe if does x, y and z she'll come around and realize how great he is. All it will do is give him more reasons to be terribly hurt. Poor guy he said the previous show he's not in love...I think he is. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151723-s18e14-lieslieslies/#findComment-8573126
Elizzikra 32 minutes ago Share 32 minutes ago Quote Poor guy he said the previous show he's not in love...I think he is. I am not sure he is in love. I think that he is grounded enough to realize that. But I do think that he is smitten and he will be disappointed that this isn't working. I'm not worried about him though; I think that he will be snapped up quickly by someone who likes him for who he is and will be a good partner for him. Quote what's he doing sleeping on the couch? He should take the bed if she don't want to sleep with her husband she can take the couch. I wondered that too. At first I thought he fell asleep waiting up for her but it looked like he settled in there for the night. I wouldn't have done that either. Allen is tall too. That can't have been comfortable for him. Quote I think Juan was just having fun with the porn stache and the wild outfit. I wonder how long it took him to grow that thing. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151723-s18e14-lieslieslies/#findComment-8573180
Shauna 12 minutes ago Share 12 minutes ago Allen has fallen for Madison, but doesn't want to admit it. Those clothes didn't fit Allen right. He's tall and they looked shrunken on him. Especially that brown leather jacket. Camille is not interested in Tom. He's not macho enough for her. Tom is into Camille. Camille will break his heart when she says no on decision day. I can't get over David's pony. It just looks so bad. Madison really screwed up by storming out of there. Guilty written all over her. Why didn't Camille storm out? And Carla? Cause they're not doing David. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151723-s18e14-lieslieslies/#findComment-8573191
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