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S05.E14: Life Is A Promise

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LoveLeigh

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3 minutes ago, Crashcourse said:

Good luck with that foul, drunken, broke down bag of hair, Rip.  You deserve her, and I hope she makes your life a living hell.

I agree. I can't see what anybody likes about Beth. She is a chain smoking alcoholic who is constantly sarcastic. She is confrontational and looks for conflicts and always says something mean and then exits the room. She is just vile. 

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Dowel Jones

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Ahhh, that was so cute.  Everybody got a happy ending, and all it took was decades of greed, corruption and murder.  Let's not forget that these are not the Cartwrights.  They're the Corleones.

Agreed about Beth.  The alcohol will overtake her in time, as it respects neither wealth nor status.  I notice that barely a few months into the new place, she's already hitting a bar.

Rainwater must have some serious healing powers.  That was a pretty deep cut on his hand (worst possible place too - try and close your hand) yet no bandage in the next scene.

Was it intended that the entire ranch complex be dismantled, or only the house?  I'm rather surprised they did that much, to tell the truth.  Rainwater had been shown early on to be rather craven in his lifestyle, and I wouldn't put it past him to appropriate the house for the new tribal headquarters.  

Nitpick:  It's not called the Department of Forestry.  It's the US Forest Service.

You don't think anyone at Billy Bob's Texas noticed the hot blonde lead singer leading a cowboy off to the bus, do you?  Noooo.

It would take a whole lot of money to make my self-esteem go low enough to work for a jerk like Travis.

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Winston Wolfe

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On 12/15/2024 at 11:36 PM, bunnyface said:

That's that.  I hate that Beth is getting away with it.  She is NOT an avenging angel, she's a sociopath.

And with that, I never have to watch a Taylor Sheridan production ever again.

Preach. Has anyone else realized that Jamie was murdered for something he technically did not do? At worst, he discussed the option with Sarah "hypothetically," but never really delivered the "kill order" himself. It wasn't something his feckless character could do. But in the end, Beth was always going to kill Jamie anyway, even if she had to make up a reason. It's likely she and Rip will still be using the Train station frequently in the future, but I won't be watching.

On 12/16/2024 at 3:24 AM, Dowel Jones said:

Everybody got a happy ending, and all it took was decades of greed, corruption and murder.  Let's not forget that these are not the Cartwrights.  They're the Corleones.

You know, I had been comparing them to the Sopranos, but not even Tony's crew was as eager to add to their body counts as most of these folks. At least the Corleones had some honor and sophistication, IMO.

On 12/16/2024 at 3:24 AM, Dowel Jones said:

It would take a whole lot of money to make my self-esteem go low enough to work for a jerk like Travis.

ITA - and I'm 99.99% sure Sheridan is playing himself in the part, there's virtually no acting involved. Hopefully, Teeter and Jimmy get enough of Travis's abusive assholery one day, go off and form their own outfit.

On 12/16/2024 at 3:24 AM, Dowel Jones said:

Agreed about Beth.  The alcohol will overtake her in time, as it respects neither wealth nor status.  I notice that barely a few months into the new place, she's already hitting a bar.

Yep. Death by alcoholic cirrhosis of the Liver in about 10-15 years is her most likely destination. And Rip will do nothing to stop it because he can't.

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NeenerNeener

NeenerNeener

6 hours ago, Madding crowd said:

Or maybe something really crazy like giving the info she had to the police and not murdering anyone!

Then you missed the part of the fight where he promised to tell the cops about all the people John had "taken to the train station" and any other illegal  thing John had ever done. Beth was very protective of John's reputation. She said it in more than one episode since his death. Going to the cops first was never going to shut Jamie up; he'd just spill everything he knew about what went on at the Yellowstone in exchange for immunity for all the slimy things, including murder, that he himself had done.

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FnkyChkn34

FnkyChkn34

4 hours ago, Winston Wolfe said:

Preach. Has anyone else realized that Jamie was murdered for something he technically did not do? At worst, he colluded with Sarah but never really delivered the "kill order" himself. It wasn't something his feckless character could do. But in the end, Beth was always going to kill Jamie anyway, even if she had to make up a reason. It's likely she and Rip will still be using the Train station frequently in the future, but I won't be watching.

I don't know about that - Jamie wanted him dead.  He colluded with Sarah the entire process until the last step, then he acted shocked?  That part made no sense; he wanted her to do and knew that she would.  Why be surprised?

Also, Kayce figured it out and knew exactly who carried it out.  Why didn't he go to the police instead of Beth?  Because of Jamie's threats, too.

Beth killing Jamie was written on the wall since season 1, since the time we learned that Jamie took her to that clinic where they gave her a hysterectomy as a teenager.  She didn't need to make up a reason, she's had one all along.  It's a good thing that she can't have kids, I suppose...

But let's be honest with ourselves: we all sat here and watched 5 seasons of violence and debauchery.  We can't all be "Beth is so horrible" now.  

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NeenerNeener

NeenerNeener

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13 minutes ago, FnkyChkn34 said:

But let's be honest with ourselves: we all sat here and watched 5 seasons of violence and debauchery.  We can't all be "Beth is so horrible" now.  

On top of that, Sheridan wasn't going to write a finale where all the cowboys went to jail (or back to jail) for murder/accessory to murder and Jamie walked away almost scot free after cutting a deal. The howls of "Worst. Series. Finale. Ever" would be heard on Jupiter.

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bunnyface

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6 hours ago, Dowel Jones said:

Was it intended that the entire ranch complex be dismantled, or only the house?  I'm rather surprised they did that much, to tell the truth.  Rainwater had been shown early on to be rather craven in his lifestyle, and I wouldn't put it past him to appropriate the house for the new tribal headquarters.  

I thought about that too.  I figured they could use it as a headquarters or something.  But then I remembered Rainwater said it would never be accessible to motorized vehicles.  Horseback only.  So I guess its hard to have a big center of some kind if no one can reach it.  I guess the rest of the reservation can continue to be developed and have his casino and such but that part won't be. And they will use all the parts they are dismantling to help with buildings and repairs on the developed part of the reservation.  They won't just raze it.  It will all be used as much as possible.

 

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mythoughtis

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Didn’t  Kacey specifically ask Rainwater to allow no building or development on it?   To put the land back in the condition it was in when James Dutton arrived in 1883?  I took that to mean they knew the buildings would be torn down. 
 

I guess that temporary things like tents, teepees, etc could exist.  Hunting and fishing too. 

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CrazyInAlabama

CrazyInAlabama

7 hours ago, Dowel Jones said:

 

Was it intended that the entire ranch complex be dismantled, or only the house?  I'm rather surprised they did that much, to tell the truth.  Rainwater had been shown early on to be rather craven in his lifestyle, and I wouldn't put it past him to appropriate the house for the new tribal headquarters.  

 

You don't think anyone at Billy Bob's Texas noticed the hot blonde lead singer leading a cowboy off to the bus, do you?  Noooo.

 

Yes, the fences were being dismantled, and everything would be removed from the ranch.    I wish they would have kept the main barn, bunkhouse, and main house, and turn it into a recovery center for tribal members who needed help, with addictions, PTSD, etc. who wanted to return to the reservation, or change their lives.   However, it will be restored to what it was generations ago, no buildings, no cattle or anything but wilderness.    

I think Rip said nothing because Beth bought exactly what he always wanted, somewhere without ski chalets, airports, and they can have a quiet life.   Rip could never afford a ranch like that, and Beth can.     

I'm hoping Lloyd shows up in the next season, but who knows.   

I suspect the people at Billy Bob's Texas see people walk off with some random person pretty often.   I suspect He'll end up at 4 Sixes next season, along with Teeter and Jimmy, on TS's next show. 

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Crashcourse

Crashcourse

1 hour ago, FnkyChkn34 said:

We can't all be "Beth is so horrible" now.  

She's been horrible since the beginning of this show.

 

6 hours ago, Winston Wolfe said:

Yep. Death by alcoholic cirrhosis of the Liver in about 10-15 years is her most likely destination. And Rip will do nothing to stop it because he can't.

And with the constant smoking, I'd add lung cancer.

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Mrs.Monkey

Mrs.Monkey

Well that's finally over. I've watched Beth bitch about not being able to have children for how many years now, yet she treats her "adopted" son terrible AND SHE HAS A NEPHEW. I don't have kids but I dote on my nephews and nieces. Has Beth ever shown any interest in Tate? Have they ever had a scene together? Or maybe Kayce made it clear she's not allowed to have any influence on poor Tate.

Taylor Sheridan really did Wes Bentley wrong. Turned him into a sniveling loser who was murdered and forgotten. Did the actor know what character arc he signed up for?

What's with the spouses accepting these secret plans without questions? Why would Monica and Rip be ok with their spouses refusing to share details of their plan? Monica just sat there in the meeting with Rainwater hearing the details for the first time and she was ok with it.

I'm no financial expert but I'm guessing this whole inheritance taxes and sale of the ranch storyline is ridiculous, but we get the Battlestar Galactica ending with the two peoples coming together.

Do these cowboys have any severance payments, retirement plans, 401k's or anything after working their whole lives for this family? Or did they get a handshake and an envelope of cash? After a lifetime of being a prisoner with a job, Lloyd is like, hey, if you ever need to exploit me again, I'll be there. And Rip still doesn't have an identity.

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Winston Wolfe

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3 hours ago, FnkyChkn34 said:

But let's be honest with ourselves: we all sat here and watched 5 seasons of violence and debauchery.  We can't all be "Beth is so horrible" now.  

Oh, I never harbored any illusions about Beth being anything other than an irredeemably horrible human being, LOL.

IMO, even beyond the hysterectomy, Jamie's ineffectiveness in saving the family's land fueled Beth's bloodlust more than anything else. And in the end, it was little Brother Kaycee who came through for them.

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Dowel Jones

Dowel Jones

I don't know how Beth actually purchased that other ranch without Rip, unless she meant that she made an offer and it was accepted.  Don't both married parties have to sign the various papers?

1 hour ago, Mrs.Monkey said:

Do these cowboys have any severance payments, retirement plans, 401k's or anything after working their whole lives for this family? Or did they get a handshake and an envelope of cash?

Option B, I suppose.  Most of them were outlaws already, and that was the only port in the storm.  Sheridan is writing as though "the cowboy life" is just so free and easy and fulfilling that people were lined up to work for the Dutton ranch.

Next season, which I'm not watching, should involve the accidental discovery of the train station, perhaps by a firefighter during a lightning strike, and the entire season can be a spinoff of some CSI activity as identifications become more clear and connections to the Dutton family are made.

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KittyQ

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Well, it looks like the (fictional) Montana police were doing their usual inept investigation at Jamie's house. The State Attorney General appears to have beaten up his sister and then disappeared. She doesn't know why the house is in "disarray"? All good. Sounds plausible, so we can close this case. 

Rip must be quite the wizard of cleanup to remove evidence of Jamie's bleeding all over the place while leaving Beth's evidence intact. 

Very cute of Beth to pour a whole small bottle of vodka (Tito's, only) into her smoothie instead of taking the pain pills ("poison" she says) because everyone knows that copious amounts of alcohol enhance healing and the (fictional) doctors will have no clue that she's abusing alcohol this way. 

Why anyone would willing put up with Travis' insults is beyond me. I'm sure there are other jobs available somewhere. 

Sooner or later someone is going to spill the beans about "the train station" and how many people ended up there - I can imagine one of the cowboys (hey, maybe Teeter!) getting a ghost writer and getting a best seller. Explain that, Beth! (Wishful thinking, I know).

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CrazyInAlabama

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24 minutes ago, KittyQ said:

Well, it looks like the (fictional) Montana police were doing their usual inept investigation at Jamie's house. The State Attorney General appears to have beaten up his sister and then disappeared. She doesn't know why the house is in "disarray"? All good. Sounds plausible, so we can close this case. 

Rip must be quite the wizard of cleanup to remove evidence of Jamie's bleeding all over the place while leaving Beth's evidence intact. 

Very cute of Beth to pour a whole small bottle of vodka (Tito's, only) into her smoothie instead of taking the pain pills ("poison" she says) because everyone knows that copious amounts of alcohol enhance healing and the (fictional) doctors will have no clue that she's abusing alcohol this way. 

Why anyone would willing put up with Travis' insults is beyond me. I'm sure there are other jobs available somewhere. 

Sooner or later someone is going to spill the beans about "the train station" and how many people ended up there - I can imagine one of the cowboys (hey, maybe Teeter!) getting a ghost writer and getting a best seller. Explain that, Beth! (Wishful thinking, I know).

I expected the detective to do a rotten job, and he did.   Beth lost enough blood to accound for the amount left, and I'm sure the detective wouldn't spend money on DNA tests. 

Lloyd said a bunch of episodes ago that ranchers for three states around have dumped bodies at the train station, so apparently tracing the bodies back to specific perps wouldn't work either. 

When I had surgery, I was adamant that I wouldn't want Oxy or narcotics except right before surgery.   I know too many who have taken pain pills and got hooked.   Since she's such an active drinker, Beth needed to keep her consumption steady or risk withdrawal.   I'm shocked it wasn't TS 4 Sixes brand.     

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Winston Wolfe

Winston Wolfe

9 minutes ago, CrazyInAlabama said:

Lloyd said a bunch of episodes ago that ranchers for three states around have dumped bodies at the train station, so apparently tracing the bodies back to specific perps wouldn't work either.

So if I'm in that fictional world, my beloved porterhouses are made possible by ruthless killers?  Ugh.

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Cool Breeze

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3 hours ago, Mrs.Monkey said:

Has Beth ever shown any interest in Tate? Have they ever had a scene together? Or maybe Kayce made it clear she's not allowed to have any influence on poor Tate.

Last night, for the first time, it occurred to me that the Dutton siblings were not close.  There was love between and among all of them (excluding Jamie/Beth) but they were not a close-knit family.  Beth and Kayce had been away from the ranch for at least a decade each.  Jamie and Lee were there but we don't know much about their relationship as poor Lee died in the second (?) episode.  So, I could see Beth, who isn't particularly maternal, or even aunt-y, not having a relationship with Tate.

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Crashcourse

Crashcourse

I feel sorry for Carter having to live with Beth and Rip.  The kid has no ID, hasn't been to school (also, has Tate been to school?), and is stuck living with those two.  Rip will try and turn him into a younger version of himself.  I won't be watching the spinoff, but I wouldn't be surprised if he started helping Rip take bodies to the train station.  I hope he leaves that place.  Even though Travis is a dick, Carter would be better off going to the 6666 ranch and working with Jimmy and Teeter.  

 

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mythoughtis

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Carter has an  ID somewhere.  He ran away from a foster home if I remember correctly.  So one of these days he just has to prove who he is.  Truthfully it should be the same for RIP.  People know he existed as a child - he was reported missing after his parents died.  The funeral director knows who his mom was-he had her dug up to get her ring. 
The difference is that a Carter isn’t suspected of killing anyone and Rip was suspected of killing his father in self-defense. So Rip could have legal issues if he claimed his identity. 

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gonzosgirrl

gonzosgirrl

3 hours ago, Mrs.Monkey said:

Taylor Sheridan really did Wes Bentley wrong. Turned him into a sniveling loser who was murdered and forgotten. Did the actor know what character arc he signed up for?

I saw a clip from one of the many group interviews there have been about the show ending, and they were asked if they kept (stole) anything from the set as a souvenir. Wes pretty much said, 'Fuck no, I want to forget this guy ever existed' (paraphrased, lol).

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Crashcourse

Crashcourse

3 minutes ago, mythoughtis said:

Carter has an  ID somewhere.  He ran away from a foster home if I remember correctly.  So one of these days he just has to prove who he is.

Oh, ok, I forgot about the foster home.  I just remember the first time I saw him he was sitting on a bench outside the hospital where his father died, and that's where he met Beth.   

mythoughtis

mythoughtis

8 minutes ago, Crashcourse said:

Oh, ok, I forgot about the foster home.  I just remember the first time I saw him he was sitting on a bench outside the hospital where his father died, and that's where he met Beth.   

It could be just that his dad died, I could be wrong about the foster home.  Either way he does have an identity. 

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Dowel Jones

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I've been wondering the whole time about the marriage license thing.  I know Rip and Beth got one because they mentioned it.  How did it read?  Husband - Rip Dutton and Wife - Beth Dutton.  That might have raised a few eyebrows. 😝

2 hours ago, KittyQ said:

Well, it looks like the (fictional) Montana police were doing their usual inept investigation at Jamie's house.

A wholly owned subsidiary of Dutton Ranch, Inc.

1 hour ago, CrazyInAlabama said:

Lloyd said a bunch of episodes ago that ranchers for three states around have dumped bodies at the train station, so apparently tracing the bodies back to specific perps wouldn't work either. 

That would bring in the FBI, complete with a network crossover.  Maggie and OA will travel to Montana to suss out everyone involved.  A chase scene is mandatory, but it will be on horses. Scola and PNL (Partner to be Named Later) will butt heads with Rip and Beth and we'll see which writers will get the best.

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KittyQ

KittyQ

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33 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

I saw a clip from one of the many group interviews there have been about the show ending, and they were asked if they kept (stole) anything from the set as a souvenir. Wes pretty much said, 'Fuck no, I want to forget this guy ever existed' (paraphrased, lol).

I know it's a paycheck, but it must really annoy actors when their character gets so completely trashed after originally being reasonably intelligent and mature. If I were he, I would substitute "this show" for "this guy" in the quote above. 

Added - Unless "this guy" means Sheridan.

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bunnyface

bunnyface

1 hour ago, Winston Wolfe said:

So if I'm in that fictional world, my beloved porterhouses are made possible by ruthless killers?  Ugh.

Well, to be fair, that could be happening where ever you're eating right now.

46 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

I saw a clip from one of the many group interviews there have been about the show ending, and they were asked if they kept (stole) anything from the set as a souvenir. Wes pretty much said, 'Fuck no, I want to forget this guy ever existed' (paraphrased, lol).

I read an article somewhere I can't remember now, where he said he thought every season, "Is this the one where I get killed?"  He knew he was getting it at some point.

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FnkyChkn34

FnkyChkn34

22 minutes ago, Dowel Jones said:

I've been wondering the whole time about the marriage license thing.  I know Rip and Beth got one because they mentioned it.  How did it read?  Husband - Rip Dutton and Wife - Beth Dutton.  That might have raised a few eyebrows. 😝

Rip's last name isn't Dutton, it's Wheeler.  

I did not understand why the preacher said "Mrs. Dutton."  He should have said Mrs. Wheeler, or Ms. Dutton...  unless he took her name?  And then in that case, I totally missed it.  

 

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gonzosgirrl

gonzosgirrl

1 hour ago, KittyQ said:

I know it's a paycheck, but it must really annoy actors when their character gets so completely trashed after originally being reasonably intelligent and mature. If I were he, I would substitute "this show" for "this guy" in the quote above. 

Added - Unless "this guy" means Sheridan.

Okay, I guess I really paraphrased it, but still.... (he's the first response)

 

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blackwing

blackwing

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End of an era.  I watched this show for Kevin Costner.  Over the years, I've definitely had a love/hate (more hate) relationship with this show, but I stuck through it because of Kevin Costner.  I think as I age, I try to hang on to the things that remind me of my younger days, and seeing Kevin Costner in anything Western-themed makes me think of "Dances with Wolves" and a younger me.

There was so many people to hate or dislike over the years on this show... JIMMY, Monica, Jamie, Tate, the Neal McDonough character, Jamie's bio dad, Silver Hair, Sarah Atwood, the buckle bunnies / barrel racers.  But I stuck through it all because of Costner.

Unlike many here, I never hated Beth.  I think it's because I would always side with Beth over Jamie.

I see "1923" is returning sooner than I thought.  I really don't care for anyone on the show except for Helen Mirren and Harrison Ford.  I don't care about Spencer and Alexandra and I especially couldn't care less about the Rainwater girl, who seems to be on her own separate show.  If I watch, it will only be because of Mirren and Ford.

I'll see what happens with the Beth/Rip spinoff.  Are they going to continue the storylines from here?  What are the main plot points going to be?  Beth being Beth and Rip being the strong silent husband?  I wonder what supporting characters besides Carter will be featured.  Lloyd?  Maybe Kayce, Monica and Tate?  Rainwater and Mo?  All of the ranchhands are gone.  Teeter joined with Travis, presumably she will be on "6666" which I REFUSE to watch because of my deep hate for Jimmy and Travis.  Ryan left ranching to be a boytoy crew member for his country singer girlfriend.  Two others signed up with some other ranch.  Not sure what happened to the singing cowboy and his girlfriend, but I don't really care.

I'm kind of amazed that nobody has ever discovered the "train station".  I get that Montana is large and expansive, but they don't even try to hide the bodies.  We haven't been shown that the bodies are being thrown into this deep crevasse or ravine.  It's like they stop somewhere off the paved road and just roll bodies down the hill.  At some point, someone driving along that road is going to notice vultures circling.  Right?

It was nice seeing the gravestones of the Duttons we never saw before, like Lee, Elsa, Margaret.  Wish we could have seen all of them including James and Jacob.  The first John and his wife, presumably also Jack, his wife, Spencer, Alexandra, etc.

21 hours ago, NeenerNeener said:

So was that Ashokan Farewell they played during John's funeral procession, or just something that sounded an awful lot like it?

It was definitely Ashokan Farewell.  This song was featured as the main theme of Ken Burn's incredible "Civil War" series.  The interesting thing is that many people think this is an actual Civil War era tune, but I believe it wasn't written until the early 1980s.

13 hours ago, Winston Wolfe said:

Preach. Has anyone else realized that Jamie was murdered for something he technically did not do? At worst, he colluded with Sarah but never really delivered the "kill order" himself. It wasn't something his feckless character could do. But in the end, Beth was always going to kill Jamie anyway, even if she had to make up a reason. It's likely she and Rip will still be using the Train station frequently in the future, but I won't be watching.

9 hours ago, FnkyChkn34 said:

I don't know about that - Jamie wanted him dead.  He colluded with Sarah the entire process until the last step, then he acted shocked?  That part made no sense; he wanted her to do and knew that she would.  Why be surprised?

Also, Kayce figured it out and knew exactly who carried it out.  Why didn't he go to the police instead of Beth?  Because of Jamie's threats, too.

Agree with the second comment.  Jamie is not innocent.  He wanted John dead.  He was pissed that Lynelle announced John as the candidate for governor and not him.  He worked with Sarah to ensure John's downfall/death.  When he got the news that John was killed, was there any question as to who did it?  He seemed utterly shocked that it was Sarah with his "YOU did this?!"  I mean, who else?

8 hours ago, Fliz said:

Honestly, I was sort of hoping Beth and Jamie would kill each other in a big Greek tragedy pile on the kitchen floor.

Also, I realize Rip is the money maker in that pair, but what sort of "partnership" is it when Beth buys a ranch without consulting him and he's just okay with it?

5 hours ago, Dowel Jones said:

I don't know how Beth actually purchased that other ranch without Rip, unless she meant that she made an offer and it was accepted.  Don't both married parties have to sign the various papers?

Like in "The War of the Roses"!! And then the scene would end with Beth flinging Jamie's arm off of her!

As far as the property purchase, it's clear that Beth is the one with money in that marriage.  Not only is she a Dutton with their saved up millions, but she is/was also a very successful private equity / M&A businesswoman.  I'm sure she has earned millions in her own right.  

I don't see why she can't just purchase the property in her own name.  She doesn't need his signature if she is the sole owner.  Later on, if she wants, she can quitclaim it to them as joint owners.   Why would Rip care that she bought it without consulting him?  As he said, it was everything he ever dreamed about.

 

5 hours ago, KittyQ said:

Well, it looks like the (fictional) Montana police were doing their usual inept investigation at Jamie's house. The State Attorney General appears to have beaten up his sister and then disappeared. She doesn't know why the house is in "disarray"? All good. Sounds plausible, so we can close this case. 

Rip must be quite the wizard of cleanup to remove evidence of Jamie's bleeding all over the place while leaving Beth's evidence intact. 

Why anyone would willing put up with Travis' insults is beyond me. I'm sure there are other jobs available somewhere. 

Sooner or later someone is going to spill the beans about "the train station" and how many people ended up there - I can imagine one of the cowboys (hey, maybe Teeter!) getting a ghost writer and getting a best seller. Explain that, Beth! (Wishful thinking, I know).

The detective was already thoroughly suspicious of Jamie and I'm sure he already pieced together what happened.  So I don't think he will be trying too hard to solve this murder.

I wonder if Taylor Sheridan thinks that people think that Travis is this tough talking cowboy and will find his "takedowns" of everybody to be hilarious.  Not me.

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blackwing

blackwing

Also, I am not a property lawyer nor an estates and trust lawyer, but I know there is this concept of a dynasty trust.  Wealthy families put their assets into a dynasty trust which has a term of something like 99 years.  Assets that are in the dynasty trust are owned by the dynasty trust, which specifies beneficiaries as the family members and descendants, and in this way, assets pass down to multiple generations of the family free of estate tax.

I'm pretty sure that land and real property can be placed into a dynasty trust.  Wouldn't someone like John Dutton or one of the Duttons before him have investigated how to pass on property from generation to generation without losing a huge chunk of it to estate taxes with every patriarch death?

This is the part of the "we don't have enough money to pay the estate taxes" problem that hasn't made sense to me all season.  Seems like a contrivance just to return the land to the native peoples and so Elsa could have her narration "mah father sayhd he wuz gonna return this lahnd to the peepul who used to awhn it".

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8 hours ago, Mrs.Monkey said:

Taylor Sheridan really did Wes Bentley wrong. Turned him into a sniveling loser who was murdered and forgotten. Did the actor know what character arc he signed up for?

I don't know if he did but you could tell he was more than ready for this show to be over in some of his interviews.  When he left he didn't even take anything from the set with him.

I think the only person that might have deserved to live was Kayce.  None of the others had any redeeming qualities. 

I'm still not sure it's true love on Rip's part or the fact that he grew up in an abusive household and has picked up some of what he accepts of Beth from the trauma.

Kevin Costner did an excellent job portraying John Dutton.  Thank goodness as father he's nothing like the character.  Sadly I think John was responsible for his death and the demise of the ranch.  The funny thing is he destroyed the 2 children that were as invested in keeping the ranch alive as him and that was Lee and Jamie.   Jamie never stood a chance and Lee just naturally agreed with everything he wanted without thinking it through.

The only thing that would have made the ending more poignant was John living and watching the livestock be auctioned off, the Y coming down from the barn and it being leveled, and most importantly Rainwater taking back the land at $1.25 per acre.  I hope he was looking up from where he was at to witness this.

I'm sure there's more for me to unpack but I think this is enough for now.

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5 minutes ago, MBayGal said:

I was hoping Bitch Beth would die along with Jamie.  No way am I watching her and Rip on the ranch, or any more Taylor Sheridan shows.  Gotta wonder what she would do in a show where she didn't have people  to hate and harrass.  And who would cook and clean for them?  She was no Suzie Homemaker

She's so cranky and bitter it's hard to believe she's married to the love of her life and the man dotes on her.  

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