S07.E11 A Hundredweight of Stones

[Quickbeam]

Apparently dropped at midnight. Accelerated plot! I’ll say no more. 

[sas616]

I keep seeing comments that the show is moving too fast.  I guess it is, but I don't think it's so fast that it's to the detriment of the story.  The reality is, though, that the show was not renewed for S8 until they were half-way through filming S7.   By that time, the S7 scripts were already written, sets ready to go, off-site locations confirmed (and all that goes into that).  Maril said they quickly did what they could to make revisions so they could do another season.    I won't blame the "show"   Starz is to blame for waiting so long to confirm S8.  

[Lola82]

I think this is the first episode I truly enjoyed since the show came back. The last 5 minutes really packed in A LOT!

[Quickbeam]

2 minutes ago, Lola82 said:

I think this is the first episode I truly enjoyed since the show came back. The last 5 minutes really packed in A LOT!

Sure did! I’m like “whoa, we’re going there already? OK!”. 🤣

[Hanahope]

Wow, here I thought they’d go at least on full episode of Jaime “dead”.  Nope.  And the son reveal too.  Yup, a lot of stuff in 3 minutes .  
 

and who cares much about the other story lines considering they spent maybe 8 minutes top on them?  Though I am curious as to what will happen when Roger finally finds his father.  Hope he’s alive.  

[Jodithgrace]

I had to laugh with Claire at the end there. Jamie shows up and all hell immediately breaks loose. William is throwing crucifixes in his face, there are redcoats charging up the stairs and he’s got to take Lord John hostage. What a homecoming! 
 

Though of course that’s not even the best part. The best part is going to be that awkward conversation!

C: We thought you were dead!

J: you thought I was dead for, like,  ten minutes! 
 

LJ: We had to do it to save Claire’s life.

J: I get it. But at least there’s one consolation…I know that the two of you would never…

C & LJ: Uh…
 

 

[BitterApple]

If I were Lord John and Claire, I wouldn't even tell Jamie about sleeping together. It was fueled by grief and booze, so neither was in their right mind.

I'm with the rest of you with regards to the pacing. I'm glad they didn't drag Jamie's disappearance out over multiple episodes. Poor William, finding out his whole life was a lie. Hopefully he eventually realizes everyone kept the secret to protect him. 

I'm actually liking the Roger sub plot. Also, what a twist that Rob never took Jemmy through the stones. I'm assuming this will lead to Brianna going back to find Roger and Buck, otherwise they could spend years on a fool's errand. 

Overall, my favorite episode of the season. 

[sadie]

I basically enjoyed the ep but I found Claire’s reaction to Jamie’s death absolutely ridiculous. It’s never occurred to her he could die? They live in a time where an infected cut can kill you, people drop dead constantly. And I know theirs is the greatest love story of all love stories ever in the history of time blah blah blah but it just grated. The catatonic state, the wailing. Maybe it was the way it was acted but I hated it. I was glad to see Jamie at the end if for no other reason that we didn’t have to watch Claire “grieve” anymore. 

[NeenerNeener]

I have nothing to add to what everyone else said, other than I love the dress Claire wore to the fund raiser.

[cardigirl]

I'm happy that there is more time-travel content with Roger and Brianna's story, but I kind of scoffed at the idea of a Lord John and Claire hookup. I understand that people grieve differently; however, this just did not ring true to me at all. The morning-after conversation was cute though.

I did like Lord John's rather bitter reply to Claire when she accused him of being a bigot, telling her that he understood only too well what kind of life it was to hide your love, and did not want that for his nephew.

Glad to see Jamie back, hale and hearty. Next week should be interesting.

 

 

 

[taanja]

Oops! I accidently read the book thread first! No wonder I was reading stuff that didn't happen in the show! LOL

Anyway - wait! What? I didn't quite understand Jaime -- he missed his boat?

And Roger and Buck are basically on a wild goose chase? I honestly didn't see that coming.

I really liked the drunk wedding night sex. That scene was great. I even re-watched a couple times! Claire and Lord John - whether they want to or not -- have some great chemistry. I was beginning to like the set-up of their married life and then -- JAIME!!! returns and it was like -- what? (I knew he wasn't dead but I would have been OK if he was gone longer) The look on Lord John's face said it all!

I sort of forgot the William is Jamie's secret son story. I figured by now that grown-up man already knew the truth. Well -- he does now! haha!

So where is Jem? He is still in the same time as Brianna? So the dude she whacked in the face with the pan is the one who kidnapped the boy? How did he know #1 - That going into the past was a real thing and #2 - that Roger would actually be able to go into the stones/the past.

Anyway! great ep!

 

Edited December 9 by taanja
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[DoctorAtomic]

We're moving fast this season! Married within 90 seconds with previouslies! The whole nonsense with the old guy and Young Ian was knocked out in 2 scenes. We had multiple episodes on the Ridge with next to nothing going on. Hopefully, Jamie will be coming back sooner than later. AAAANNNND SOONER! Wow they didn't waste any time. If they started the show at this pace, Claire would have released the Iran hostages last month. 

I'm not religious at all, but the Quaker pov of being on Earth is a sacrament isn't a bad outlook. Young Ian and Rachel are an absolute delight. It's fair she's going to be a little upset about Young Ian being married, but credit to her to listen to the whole story. 

I continue to rave over Roger trying to reason things out about time travel. Maybe he just needed a bro. Good call last week on whomever said that Roger was thinking of the 'wrong' Jem when he went through the stones. Good plan on the fakeout scarf at the stones. Roger and Buck could have taken those three guys. 

I didn't think Claire was going to slash her wrists, but she sold it well. That was tense. Drinking is the better avenue. She should drink with Lord John. He's great company! I guess except when you're beating him up, but even then didn't end up so bad in the end. I did like Claire's 'I guess we're going here now' look when she said, 'oh...I see' to Lord John talking about the cook. I didn't think Lord John was being bigoted to Mercy, and I'm glad he threw it back in Claire's face. 

I can't really blame Claire for being ticked about the party, but it's good she came around. Lord John is trying here. 

I was thinking that the whole dinner party atmosphere reminded me of Turn, and then Richardson is a spy! Like Claire isn't going to get back into the game. Come on. 

Who would own the Ridge property now?

I was actually hoping for at least one more episode of Lord John and Claire hijinks. Jamie better not be all dainty manpain about Claire and Lord John getting it on either though. How much time passed between last episode and then the actual marriage here? And then from the marriage until they got it on? I mean, it's probably not *that* long, but it's got to be 10 weeks or so, no? Enough for Jamie's 'death' to sink in? 

On 12/6/2024 at 8:57 PM, Jodithgrace said:

I had to laugh with Claire at the end there. Jamie shows up and all hell immediately breaks loose. William is throwing crucifixes in his face, there are redcoats charging up the stairs and he’s got to take Lord John hostage. What a homecoming! 

She was eating it up with a spoon. She was practically cackling with glee.

On 12/7/2024 at 12:44 PM, BitterApple said:

I'm actually liking the Roger sub plot. Also, what a twist that Rob never took Jemmy through the stones. I'm assuming this will lead to Brianna going back to find Roger and Buck, otherwise they could spend years on a fool's errand. 

Did they say whether Roger and Buck would check back in at some point? Or Bree would go to the stones every 2 weeks or so to see if they're coming back. I assume if you leave on a Friday, then it's Friday also in the past, so you can at least keep track. I'd probably fill her in on what's going on. Also, Bree has relevant information to the situation at hand. You can always go back and look for Jem One. 

On 12/8/2024 at 4:54 AM, sadie said:

The catatonic state, the wailing.

It's too bad she's living in a city because you just totally need some peaty heath and bogs and a full moon to really mourn!

5 hours ago, taanja said:

How did he know #1 - That going into the past was a real thing and #2 - that Roger would actually be able to go into the stones/the past.

Didn't Roger and Bree find out that he was wandering around the house and read Jamie's letters from the past or something like that? That big box they have? I thought he heard legends about the stones at some point too. 

I liked how Bree and Roger immediately thought that he went into the past, got a ship to America, then made their way down to North Carolina, with a child, to get the gold and then go all the way back. We were all joking that it would be easier to just go there now, and then guy was like, 'nah, we're just all getting on a plane and going there.'

Although, I don't know what Bree is going to do now. I suppose call the police, but that is a lot of explaining to do too. She doesn't know where Jem is. It's not like she's hoarding the gold, so she could just get Jem and tell him where it is and he can get it himself. 

[HappyHanna]

Minor quibbling point,  but why does young Ian still wear his hair that way? Like,  he's been away from the natives for a while now,  time to stop cos-playing.

[Cdh20]

10 hours ago, DoctorAtomic said:

 

I was thinking that the whole dinner party atmosphere reminded me of Turn, and then Richardson is a spy! Like Claire isn't going to get back into the game. Come on. 

 

She was eating it up with a spoon. She was practically cackling with glee.

 

That smirk was so Claire- Jamie is alive & now she ALIVE! Let the adventures begin again…

[GHScorpiosRule]

11 hours ago, DoctorAtomic said:

How much time passed between last episode and then the actual marriage here? And then from the marriage until they got it on? I mean, it's probably not *that* long, but it's got to be 10 weeks or so, no?

No. I think it's been about a week or two. I'll have to go back and rewatch.

[Hanahope]

12 hours ago, DoctorAtomic said:

I liked how Bree and Roger immediately thought that he went into the past, got a ship to America, then made their way down to North Carolina, with a child, to get the gold and then go all the way back. We were all joking that it would be easier to just go there now, and then guy was like, 'nah, we're just all getting on a plane and going there.'

Although, I don't know what Bree is going to do now. I suppose call the police, but that is a lot of explaining to do too. She doesn't know where Jem is. It's not like she's hoarding the gold, so she could just get Jem and tell him where it is and he can get it himself. 

I don't know what Corman thought when he said "the three of them" would get on a plane.  What did he think Bree was going to do with her daughter while they were away?  

and why not call the police?  just call them and say this guy kidnapped my son because he thinks we have hidden scottish gold in our property somewhere.  like the police are going to believe this guy's story about gold in america and time traveling?  if he goes on about Roger timetraveling, all Bree has to say is that her husband is a history professor away on a fact finding trip and she is not sure exactly where he is right now.  

yeah, the problem she has is finding Jem and then afterwards is somehow getting a message to Roger.  but hopefully Roger figures out that Jem is not in the 1740s and comes back on his own after he finds his father.  

[taanja]

12 hours ago, DoctorAtomic said:

I was actually hoping for at least one more episode of Lord John and Claire hijinks. Jamie better not be all dainty manpain about Claire and Lord John getting it on either though. How much time passed between last episode and then the actual marriage here? And then from the marriage until they got it on? I mean, it's probably not *that* long, but it's got to be 10 weeks or so, no? Enough for Jamie's 'death' to sink in? 

Yeah me too. I liked the Claire/Lord John scenes. I know! I know! Clare and Jaime - true love forever! - but still, I enjoyed the change-up.  I would have enjoyed several episodes of their 'married life' Plus the two actors who play Claire and Lord John have some great chemistry.

yes and PLEASE no Jamie moping about the drunken sex.

[ch1]

58 minutes ago, taanja said:

Yeah me too. I liked the Claire/Lord John scenes. I know! I know! Clare and Jaime - true love forever! - but still, I enjoyed the change-up.  I would have enjoyed several episodes of their 'married life' Plus the two actors who play Claire and Lord John have some great chemistry.

yes and PLEASE no Jamie moping about the drunken sex.

I would have liked more scenes of Claire and John too.  Not the grieving part but more scenes like the morning after.  I like seeing John’s relationships with the Frasers develop beyond Jaime. 

[DoctorAtomic]

1 hour ago, Hanahope said:

yeah, the problem she has is finding Jem and then afterwards is somehow getting a message to Roger.  but hopefully Roger figures out that Jem is not in the 1740s and comes back on his own after he finds his father.  

They were showing that she's kind of at the end of her rope, so I don't know if she's thinking strategically. And, even calling the cops, doesn't mean they can compel him to reveal where Jem is, as wild as the story about the hidden gold is. 

Or, she could just kill him and take her chances. How hard can it be to find him? He's probably just locked in the basement of his house. 

[FnkyChkn34]

9 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

No. I think it's been about a week or two. I'll have to go back and rewatch.

I also think that it's only been about 2 weeks.  The guy came to warn John about Claire's arrest within just a few days of when they learned Jamie died, and said she'd be arrested within 48 hours.  They got married the next day.  They were married for only a week or two, I think.

Plus, my thinking is influenced by the fact that Jamie missed his boat because it sailed the night before it was supposed to leave.  So, wouldn't he have just caught the next ship he could?  I'd guess one leaves every week or two, and even though the ocean passage length can vary, he still wouldn't have been *that* far behind.  If he had learned the ship sank while still in Scotland, he would have sent a letter ahead.  I think he didn't learn until he got to Philadelphia (somehow; plot holes galore here - what else is new for Outlander).  

[DoctorAtomic]

I don't think Jamie should get too bent out of shape for Lord John and Claire getting it on, but that's way sooner than I thought. He's reasonably justified being a little miffed for a couple of days. 

[GHScorpiosRule]

44 minutes ago, FnkyChkn34 said:

I also think that it's only been about 2 weeks.  The guy came to warn John about Claire's arrest within just a few days of when they learned Jamie died, and said she'd be arrested within 48 hours.  They got married the next day.  They were married for only a week or two, I think.

Didn’t rewatch but your post reminded me how Richardson said his plan worked-that Lord John would figure out a way to save Claire, and then Lord John has the party. I doubt that Claire would still refuse to play her new husband’s hostess if two months or so had gone by.

As for Jamie getting in a snit? Please. Sure he knew Claire wasn’t dead back in season three, but in her own time, but hello! He marrit that’ HOSEBEAST!  Plus what Claire says to him in the previews.

[taanja]

14 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

As for Jamie getting in a snit? Please. Sure he knew Claire wasn’t dead back in season three, but in her own time, but hello! He marrit that’ HOSEBEAST!  Plus what Claire says to him in the previews.

^^^ This made me laugh out loud!

I honestly had NO clue how much or little time passed. 2 weeks? Seriously? Wow! Talk about moving things along!

 

[DoctorAtomic]

Two weeks seems fast. When Young Ian and Claire got the letter, Young Ian noted the letter dated 5 weeks past and said, 'Jamie could be here any day'. *Then* Lord John said the ship was lost later that day, iirc. 

So when did Jamie get on the next boat? The next day? I'm wondering if that would be possible. I don't know that boats are going back and forth to war torn America on the daily. That's still another 5 weeks travel regardless. He obviously didn't wait to send a letter ahead and had to get on a boat quick enough.  

I'm curious about the time between the marriage and doing the sex. That felt longer to me than you all think. Not that long, but I didn't get that it was the marriage night. Nothing suggest it couldn't have been though. I kind of hope not because, Claire, yeesh. Come on. I agree the marriage was the next day, but I don't remember how much time passed when Lord John told Claire Jamie died and then the spy told Lord John that Claire was going to be arrested.  

I don't really care that much about the timeline per se, but everything was moving so fast. I thought it was 10 weeks since they got married, but I guess it could be 5 to 7. 

I'm certainly enjoying the brisk pace for a change. It's amazing what a show can do when it gets out of its own way and actually remembers it's entertainment. This has got to be as good for the first time since the days of Blackjack. 

[Anothermi]

I have a question on the cairn that Ian was placing a flat stone on for Jaime in an early scene in this episode. 

There would have been no body. Does that mean Ian constructed the cairn?

Initially I mentally flashed back to the previous episode where Jenny took Ian to the grave stone they had put up for his child who died at birth and he and Jenny put a small stone on it. But that seems to be completely different from what Ian was doing. There was nothing indicating this was for Jaime—except Ian's words to Rachel. 

Anyone know what tradition was being represented in that scene? Or know the history of that kind of memorial?

[Ziggy]

17 hours ago, Anothermi said:

I have a question on the cairn that Ian was placing a flat stone on for Jaime in an early scene in this episode. 

There would have been no body. Does that mean Ian constructed the cairn?

Initially I mentally flashed back to the previous episode where Jenny took Ian to the grave stone they had put up for his child who died at birth and he and Jenny put a small stone on it. But that seems to be completely different from what Ian was doing. There was nothing indicating this was for Jaime—except Ian's words to Rachel. 

Anyone know what tradition was being represented in that scene? Or know the history of that kind of memorial?

A cairn is really just a pile of stones, but it is usually used to mark something - a trail, a boundary, a memorial. 

In Outlander, the word does seem to be reserved for a memorial, at least I can't think of them using it to mean anything else..

Edited December 13 by Ziggy

[AZChristian]

No time to check back on the episode, but I seem to remember Ian specifically saying, "I built a cairn for him (Jamie)."

[Anothermi]

Between the two of you I was able to form a google search that brought up this:

Quote

In the next scene, Ian is praying over a cairn of rocks, in the woods near Philadelphia, which he has built in memory of his Uncle Jamie, presumed lost at sea in last week's episode. This is the basis for the episode title, "A Hundredweight of Stones", which is also the title of the opening chapter of WRITTEN IN MY OWN HEART'S BLOOD.

Quoted from a site called Outlandish Observations by site owner Karen Henry's observations of this episode. 

So your responses pointed me in a direction that ended in a successful search.  🥰

Yes, Ian built that cairn...

3 hours ago, AZChristian said:

I seem to remember Ian specifically saying, "I built a cairn for him (Jamie)."

...in respect for and memory of Jaime & following a tradition that calls for a hundred weight of stones.  

4 hours ago, Ziggy said:

the word does seem to be reserved for a memorial,

Many thanks to all three of you  (from my somewhat compulsive/ obsessive POV). At least I learned something new related to the title. ☺️

[Anothermi]

Adding to my above post regarding 100 weight of stone: 

Spiritual Significance: More Than Just Rocks

Beyond their practical uses, cairns have held spiritual significance in various cultures around the world. They are often seen as sacred structures that represent a connection between the physical and spiritual realms. In some traditions, cairns mark sacred sites or ritual spaces, inviting individuals to engage in reflection, meditation, or prayer. 

The act of building a cairn can itself be a form of spiritual practice, a way to create a tangible representation of one’s prayers or intentions.

I'll stop now. 

[Ziggy]

8 hours ago, Ziggy said:

 

 

Edited December 13 by Ziggy

[Noneofyourbusiness]

On 12/9/2024 at 3:42 PM, taanja said:

So where is Jem? He is still in the same time as Brianna? So the dude she whacked in the face with the pan is the one who kidnapped the boy? How did he know #1 - That going into the past was a real thing and #2 - that Roger would actually be able to go into the stones/the past.

On 12/10/2024 at 10:21 AM, Hanahope said:

Corman

Rob Cameron found Roger's journal / 'practical guide for time travelers' in the study. Roger tried to claim he was writing a fantasy novel, but Rob didn't buy it. He also read Jamie's letters, which is how he knew Jemmy was the one who knew where the gold was buried.

Edited Tuesday at 03:26 AM by Noneofyourbusiness

[Noneofyourbusiness]

I enjoyed Claire and John talking in bed, and John highlighting how uncommon it is in his time for married people to speak so openly with each other and get to know each other as people, which is something I like to see couples (and other people) do.