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  1. Anothermi

    S08.00: The Last Watch

    I just remembered another random fun thing (in the background). Bernie Caulfield - the woman who kept the schedules, and a whole lotta other things, working - (I'm pretty sure it was her) had a snow globe with a weirwood tree inside it. I loved those little things.
  2. Anothermi

    S08.00: The Last Watch

    I liked it, too. It's one thing to know how many people had to have been involved to create this show, but it's another entirely to get to know some of them. I found it both interesting and smart that they chose only one director to follow and tied the whole thing together via that one enthusiastic extra from Belfast (Team STARK), weaving his experience around all the other stories. I also loved learning that they chose the Stunt-coordinator/trainer to be the Night King. He was so funny getting his taste of being famous in Spain (and then deciding he preferred being the anonymous expert he'd been before that). But he got the whole excited crowd to do the raise-the-dead move. I caught a few fun bits but now I can only remember one - a picture on the wall of the scheduler's room that showed a huge foot (labeled "script") trying to get into a much smaller glass slipper (labeled "schedule") What a thankless job! (but such good humour) I also felt so sorry for the guy in charge of the fake snow. Especially the part where his team had to shovel up fake snow they couldn't use and put it back in bags to use somewhere else. The behind the scenes people were living "behind the looking glass" and running as fast as they could just to be at the next step on time; while the actors were living the hurry-up-and-wait existence. I'm wondering if having to make each battle bigger than the last may have been the reason we were shorted some episodes. The big battle between the living and the dead would have been the biggest budget eater. And the destruction of King's Landing would have been the other. I can't remember if we've had two huge battles in one season before. Last season? I guess the battle where Viserion was lost would have been the second one. Can't decide whether I think it was worth it. (the battle with Jaime & Bronn et al vs Dany and Drogon was worth it, but that's just one battle. )
  3. Anothermi

    Small Talk: Slaves To Gab

    Do you fellow (former) Unsullied think we need to send out a search party for @WhiteStumbler ? Missing in the wind-up action. I know we were warned to expect a late arrival, but now I fear our friend and comrade was taken down by a spoiler sword just before the finish line and is languishing between pre and post final - unable to communicate!
  4. Anothermi

    S08.E06: The Iron Throne

    Thanks for sharing the out-take info. I, too, remember being annoyed by the feeling of being played just for shock value. Deliberately kept in the dark. Before that, those kind of twists came because of the vast number of forces at play and didn't need manipulation. Clearly a production decision to keep viewers attention (a main goal for show runners) but we'd become used to being treated more respectfully while our attention was engaged. ETA: "The deleted scene you describe would have been a nice bit of development for Bran, as well, showing him and Sansa working together. For the eventual king, he got shockingly little screentime or development!" Absolutely, Llywela, and thank you for your well argued post (above) regarding the diminished impact of Bran becoming the King. Once again, losing those hours from last season and this have not served the show or the viewers well. (can't find the button that would allow me to put your point in quotes!!)
  5. Anothermi

    S08.E06: The Iron Throne

    That would be the 50 second sequence of jumbled visions Bran had in S06E06 Blood of my Blood. Meera is pulling Bran who is still in vision-mode. Perhaps the Max Von Sydow TER had managed to download a memory data dump before he was terminated and Bran had to spend all that time "plugged-in" to receive it all (to process later). After that episode I carefully freeze-framed that sequence (a lot harder to do than to say) A number of times the image came up of the wildfire spreading from Lancel's too-late attempt at snuffing the candle sitting in a pool of it (below the Sept) along the tunnel containing barrels of it. I posted what I found in the Completely Unspoiled thread. It was quite long so I'll quote just a section that mentions that "vision". That wildfire image appeared more than once, but you can see from that snippet that there were so many images Bran was supposed to be seeing that understanding it all immediately would be impossible. However, that one image that we did see when Lancel failed to snuff out the candle would indicate the ability to see the future. (Note: Lancel was NOT shown in that vision, just the same tunnel.) However, even if Bran could see what was to come, there has been much debate - often around time travel - that suggests messing with "what is Known" can lead to disastrous outcomes. So calling Bran evil or devious for not doing so is definitely debatable.
  6. Thanks Ging. I kinda missed seeing Alfie Allen interviewed and his thoughts on Theon.
  7. I agree, that time period is still incredibly vague for me. After inspecting the Westeros map that @gingerella provided, I noticed that the Trident (famous battle from Robert's Rebellion - that was referred to by Ned, taunting the 2 sworded Knight in Bran's vision) was just north of Harrenhal (perhaps not far from the Inn at the Crossroads?). I looked that battle up to refresh my memory and was told that was where Robert killed Rheagar. But the Maester's book indicated that he annulled Rhaegar's marriage to Elia, and married Lyanna to Rhaegar in Dorne! So, how long ago was that? Where did Lyanna stay after that? Where was that tower where Ned found Lyanna giving birth? Sure didn't look like it was anywhere near Dorne but what do I know. Jaime and Bronn passed through some very desert-looking territory when they went there. BUT I wouldn't think Dorne would be a safe place for Lyanna given that she "usurped" Elia's position. Arggggg.
  8. Jeez Louise! Well, it's good to know where all those places people came from are. Robb's wife... Thoros... Missandei... Braavos! as far north as the Fingers where Littlefinger came from. How come it appeared to be so warm when it's only slightly less north than The North? (and the swoopy camera definitely confused me for this one. I was sure it was south of Pentos.
  9. Anothermi

    S08.E06: The Iron Throne

    But they were Freys, not just anyone and everyone. And I doubt most of them were innocent if they were there. They were part of the Red Wedding. And laughed and told drunken stories about it after. Having said that I do believe there WERE innocent Freys somewhere.
  10. Anothermi

    S08.E06: The Iron Throne

    Ooh. I feel a sequel forming. Or at least fan fiction. (don't read it. I have enough distractions to engaging IRL) After all. Robert becoming King signaled an equally finite feeling after the period of chaos HIS war engendered. The Wheel rolls on.
  11. I have been an inveterate scrutiniz-er of all things shown via books or maps during a show. As mentioned above, I utilized freeze-frame and squinting with my head tilted to the side to harvest as much information as the show would yield. Like the History Book of the King's Guard and the Giant Tome of Ancestral lineage – Westeros. There were quite a few maps as well – starting with Season One where Maester Luwin was trying to teach Bran the history of Westeros and all Bran wanted to do was... anything else. (Hee! So he was punished for his inattention by having to become the repository of ALL the hisory of Westeros. Cruel and... unusual.) There were quite a number of maps we were shown and I laboured over them all, but I can't remember when or where they came up. The Bran one is the only one that really stuck with me. I think maps generally came up during battle planning. There was a LOT of that. So, I think a had a reasonable knowledge of the general location of places, but not fully accurate. I don't remember seeing Last Hearth anywhere, so it's always been “out there” (waves hand in indeterminate direction). So, the credits this Season were a “Gods” send (the Old Gods) in that respect. I also realize, in retrospect, how tragic it was for Sansa to send little Lord Umber to bring his people – after she'd learned that the WW had breached the wall. So, here's what I ended up knowing up to this Season: Dragonstone – I can't remember when, but I think it had to have been after we were introduced to Lord Lobster (Stannis). Freeze-frame works reasonably well for the credits and each new location was added to them. (something I may have learned from WhiteStumbler) So I knew it was an Island and gradually learned that it was at the north edge of Blackwater Bay (perhaps only after that battle) and that the Vale and Littlefinger's “Fingers” were north of that. All on the East Coast. Highgarden – Located in the Reach. Possibly called that because it reaches all the way from the edge of Kings Landing to the south coast. It boarders 5 of the 7 “wards” of Westeros. I knew it started close to King's Landing but thought of it as an amorphous blob in the middle of Westeros. Never imagined it actually had a coast. The Twins: At least you pretty much got this one correct. Your “transit map” youtube link added the information that the area just north of it (belonging to The North) was marshy and treacherous. That explains why it was either The Twins or the King's Road that most people had to use to get south of The North. That's helpful to me. I know Robb sort of explained why he had to cross at the Twins, but now I understand. Storms End - Located in the Stormlands. Can't remember when I learned that the Stormlands were also situated just south of King's Landing and along the east coast. I'm guessing that the scenes leading up to Renly's death must have been situated there. That would be our only glimpse of the Barratheon lands. I actually forgot where they were situated after a while, so I must have learned it early on when there was a reason to care about where it was. Casterly Rock: Two out of five so far, Ging. I do remember learning where this was located in Season 2 from Robb's battle planning maps. So, he fought the Lannisters via friendly territory (the Riverlands, seat of his mother's family) and close to where Tywin and the Lannister armies were laying waste to the Riverlands, but also close to Casterly Rock – with both a river and a road to get there. This was the map (IIRC) where I learned where the Iron Islands were as well. Dorne : I thought Dorne took up ALL of the south of Westeros. I also thought there must have been difficult and high mountains that kept it so separate from the rest of Westeros and therefor it was not quite the same. Some of this may be true in that the map you provided doesn't show any roads from any of the other “wards” into Dorne. Access by sea only. One error I made was that, despite the opening credits. I kinda thought Braavos was located at the south end of Westeros in the Dorne area!. Duh. I even knew it was a city state of Essos, but that's where my mental pictures place it! The Eyrie – I knew the Eyrie was east, but I don't quite know when. Possibly after Catelyn abducted Tyrion and took him there. What the map you provided shows, however, was how the Vale could choose to stay out of the conflict Littlefinger nurtured. It had nothing to offer but troops and sanctuary – both of which he needed. Riverrun: Another one pretty close. (south of the middle and west side of the North, but not coastal) I think it must have been the battle maps of Season two that helped here. I didn't realize for a long time that Harrenhal and the Inn at the Crossroads were also part of the Riverlands. Maybe not until the Hound and Arya went on their road trip. But I did know they were west of the King's Road. Essos – I new early on that Essos was the continent east of the Narrow Sea. From the Varys and Magister Ilyrio plot line and Robert and Ned conversations. I also think you and I had a conversation about all this back on TWoP, Ging. Things like: What is north of beyond the Wall? Does it reach as far as Essos? What is west of Westeros? How far east does Essos stretch? (we were told at least beyond Ashai* to the shadowlands) *(corrected the spelling of this word from seeing it on the map) Pentos – freeze-framing the opening credits showed that Pentos was pretty much directly east of King's Landing which explains why Ilyrio could sneak over for a quick visit with Varys. (no, it doesn't, because he'd be seen sailing into Blackwater Bay. But we did learn from Davos about the beach where a boat could be rowed into shore discretely, but Varys and Ilyrio met in the tunnels under King's Landing so it may have been the access that Tyrion knew of that helped him win the battle of Blackwater. Qarth – Honestly, I'm still not clear where all the places in Essos are located. Seems that the bigger city-states are along the west coast of Essos and the Dothraki (deserts) and the Lamb people lands are farther inland. I need to search out a map of Essos as good as the political one @gingerella found for Westeros.
  12. Anothermi

    S08.E06: The Iron Throne

    She had become a serial murderer. There's a fine difference. (wink)
  13. Anothermi

    S08.E06: The Iron Throne

    Yes, indeed. I agreed with Jon that a Name did not define the person. Dany may have still had a quick temper, but the sense of "destiny" and the enabling of her path to power had much to do with shaping her as an adult. She started as Visaerys pawn and once she learned she could and did have power, she made sure no one else would ever treat her like that again. But, like in the tower at Qarth, she had one thing that gave her power and at that point they were strong enough for her to use them. Her last, but best resort to protect herself. And she used it every time she felt cornered.
  14. Anothermi

    S08.E06: The Iron Throne

    Hee! I loved that moment too. But that lesson from his great uncle (grand uncle?) was one that Jon both struggled to learn, yet took to heart. That and "The man who passes the sentence must wield the sword". Both of those lessons were visible in Jon's struggle over agreeing with Tyrion. To Tyrion, it was easy to see Dany's fatal flaws and to act on that knowledge (even though he, too, allowed Varys to die before he let himself believe it) because his next act would just be to convince someone else to take action. Jon knew that if he accepted what Tyrion was saying (passed the sentence) HE would have to wield the sword. And his love for Dany was at war with his duty. That was nuanced writing. Yes, Jon - although not an interesting man - lived a very interesting life. He was, in spite of his initial rigid adherence to "the rules", constantly learning life's lessons. He wasn't entertaining, but could enjoy a good joke - at the right moment. There were only 3 other living Targs that we were shown: Visaerys, Dany and Aemon. Only Aemon, of those three, showed us that there were alternatives to the crazy. We learned that Rhaegar, his father, was also an alternative, but Jon never saw him and neither did we. But, upon reflection, I'd say that Jon's Targ-ness came from Aemon and the rest of him came from Ned.
  15. It's located on the south (slightly western) coast in the ward-dom of Highgarden lands. It is west of Dorne - which I thought took up the entire south of Westeros, but doesn't. You need to scroll right down to the bottom of the map that is the very 1st link Ging posted. (before the embedded youtube. It's location explains why Sam and Gilly's scenes traveling there were so interminable (at least).
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